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I'm... not sure if I need to put these into spoiler tags, since I don't THINK they concern spoilers, but I will, just in case.

Spoiler: Opening Image + A Monster?
So, whenever you start up the game, it shows you something standing against Calamity Ganon. Okay; this turns out to be... legend... scroll... thingy. With Zelda on the other side and the huge army Hyrule put up. Okay, but why does the Hero (the thing standing against Ganon) LOOK SO MUCH LIKE Ganon, to begin with? Questions, questions...

Also, I was walking down Mt Lanayru and heading for the Naydra Snowfield, to get one of the memories (since Impa told me to), and... I encountered... Centaur Ganon? :ron: Or SOMETHING. It was, like, Ganon-looking as a centaur. Thing killed me, so I reloaded and avoided it, but WTH? Seems pretty strong, but... uh... important in terms of plot or is that just... a very strong Ganon-esque enemy?


Also, I totally ship this Link with Paya.

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Probably a Lynel. Those fuckers are really strong, some even stronger than ganon I think. Nothing super plot-centric.
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Spoiler: Minor Plot Battles
The battle to enter into Vah Ruta was freaking cool! Being inside Vah Ruta not so much. But I do ship Link and Mipha.

Also, crossdressing Link. Of course.

I'd really like to work on the memories, but none of the locations look familiar.
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CatMuto wrote:
Spoiler: Minor Plot Battles
I'd really like to work on the memories, but none of the locations look familiar.


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Painter guy who appears at stables/villages will point you in the direction of the location closest by, depending on where you ask.

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CatMuto wrote:
Also, I totally ship this Link with Paya.

C-A

I tried to give Paya some flowers I picked from the mountaintops and the damn game wouldn't let me

Nintendo had better patch this shit asap



And yeah, it took me a bit to figure out how to cook. I'm all for figuring things out on your own in this game (it's one of the biggest things I like about it), but I think it really should have made more of an effort to tell you how to cook specifically since it's impossible to advance unless you know how
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Apparently, you CAN get the Warm Doublet, without cooking for the guy... buy making it to the top of Mt Hylia without it. He gives it to you for free... given that I did that, why didn't he give it to me? Stupid Old Man. :ron:

I also ship Link with Mipha...
You know, I never was a fan of the Princess-Knight pairing, anyway. But can we get away from the "Zelda and Link totes in love" idea? I would really find it much more interesting, if the love interest (or implied love interest) was NOT the princess. Like in this case, the idea of Link having romantic feelings for a Zora? That'd be different - and would give an alternative to Ruto-forced-engagement. Or a Gerudo love interest! (Though what is with their HIPS in this game?)

And why is it Hylia again? Whatever happened to the 3 godesses from OoT?

Spoiler: Regarding Plot
You know, the idea of awakening to Hyrule being utterly destroyed... well, it's been done before. Wind Waker had its premise on Hyrule having been destroyed (and then treated it like a huge revelation towards the end...) and OoT has Link see Hyrule practically destroyed after 7 years.

But the idea of it being UTTERLY gone is kinda cool. I think what would have really worked is if there really WAS nothing beyond the isolated Plateau. Sure, you might have Impa wandering around... or just the spirits of a few, very important characters. (Like the dead Champions' in their Divine Beasts) Basically, you wake up and that kingdom you always protected and needed to save? GONE. Humanity is dead, with the only one being around being Link and maybe Zelda (or have her turn out to be a spirit at the end, too)
Make it so that Link is forced to live on his own in the wild; forage for what he can find to survive and the only reason he fights Ganny is because his duty/destiny/whatever says so. Really play on the whole "Hyrule is GONE" aspect.

Like, Link defeats Ganon(dorf) again and saves the world, but... it's empty. There is no world for ANYONE to save. Depressing, but it'd be neat.

As it is... the beginning, with the isolated Plateau did it well. But then... outside, you have stables and villages and NPCs and... it all feels like such a stereotypical Zelda game... wasn't this one supposed to be different, with its core aspect of being open going back to its roots? I find it a bit hard to believe that Hyrule's destruction was such a major event - even if it was 100 years ago - if most people seem to be fine. Hell, the fact THAT it happened 100 years ago should mean it's still fresh in people's minds!

100 years is not that long. And given how you have several NPCs make it clear that they were alive, and are still alive, 100 years ago, it really feels weird that majority of people just think Hyrule is this... almost legendary ruin thing.


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PS: Now excuse me, I need to grind Shrines for hearts and work on getting the Master Sword, cause I want it.
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They've been going more and more with the Link-Zelda relationship in recent games, but this is the first game to outright give Link different "partners". Mipha is a given, Zelda is very heavily implied to have a crush on Link,
and both Paya and Riju will be popular with people as well.
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Spoiler: Story spoilers
They've been going more and more with the Link-Zelda relationship in recent games, but this is the first game to outright give Link different "partners". Mipha is a given, Zelda is very heavily implied to have a crush on Link,
and both Paya and Riju will be popular with people as well.


I don't understand why they decided to heavyhandedly give us Zelink romance in the games. The previous ones never were this overt and, far as I know, none of them are meant to be romantic. Exception being that one Zelda game where she wakes up and kisses Link at the end. But outside of that, we never needed a Zelink romance in the plot - I don't care what people say, I see nothing on Link's side in Skyward Sword and the romance does not actually factor in heavily into the plot.

There have been implied love interests. Marin, the whole OoT group, etc. Those were fine. Zelda games are not about a romance, never were and shouldn't be about it now. Unless they cause the romance to be the main aspect of the plot. Which it isn't. It's still save the world from Ganon/dorf/Demise/Whatever. Romance is, at best, a tiny blip on the radar that disappears.

Hell, if they are intent on having Zelink be the main romance, don't give me hints of other pairings or have the option of going into a romantice liaison with another girl - as in, Peatrice from Skyward Sword. Or Nintendo should realize what I realized ages ago: it doesn't matter what they claim to be canon, shippers will ship whomever they want and be damned with what they say.

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You know, I never was a fan of the Princess-Knight pairing, anyway. But can we get away from the "Zelda and Link totes in love" idea? I would really find it much more interesting, if the love interest (or implied love interest) was NOT the princess.

You know, I seem to recall you complaining when Ilia was the "implied love interest" in Twilight Princess because their relationship still wasn't interesting. Otherwise, I don't disagree, per se. Zelda and Link don't have to be paired up, but it'd be nice if they actually gave it some substance when they were.

The way I see it, there's three ways to handle romance in a story.

A: The romance is the focal point, meaning the entire story only works because of the romance. Remove that, and you no longer have a story.

B: The romance is important, but it's not the main focus. This one requires better writing to work well. The romance must make sense in light of the characters and the way they're written, it will likely cause characters to react to situations in ways they might not if they were just friends with the other person, and most importantly, it must never detract from the main focus. No long, drawn out scenarios of resolving pointless drama between the two, or overly long fluff scenarios that seem out of place in the story.

C: The romance is unimportant, and mainly serves as a way to give characters some background. The story works regardless of the love interest's existence, but it's in the story anyway just to make sure your cast isn't completely filled with romantically unattached people. The condition that it not detract from the main focus still applies.

I recall A Link Between Worlds handling it with method C, at least, for a previous Link and Zelda incarnation. Otherwise, it didn't really seem to be there in that one. Skyward Sword could be considered as handling it with method B, but your mileage may vary as to how well they handled it. Could have used some more substance, imo, but at least it didn't horribly detract from the main focus.
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My issue with Ilia was that she had no personality. Heck, I consider her having MORE personality when her memories are missing. I've mentioned it before, but my issue with a lot of romances in videogames is that they are not developed a decent time. I am thrown into the game, basically told that these two are love interests and done. I have no information on why they are interested in each other, what made it happen and all that.
For my Just Be Myself Fushigi Yuugi fanfic, I have Himeko married to the Emperor. Their romance? Not important to that story's plot; I do have some scenes with them together that show that they love each other, but for the most part, it's a side-note of their characters. But when it comes to Himeko's Side, which tells her story and how she even fell in love with the Emperor, of course I put a lot more focus on it. It's important; It's basically THE driving point of the entire story.

I'm trying to keep my mind open in regards to BotW Zelda and Link. Especially since one of the things you can do (and should do, if you want the whole picture) is to seek out the scenes that depict their previous interactions.

Spoiler: So Far, Those Scenes
The memories aren't really working for me. They seem to be more focused on pointing out how Link was the Chosen Hero, bla bla, and how annoyed Zelda was with him constantly. Because she thought she could do things on her own (obviously can't, considering Link had to save her from Yiga people); she didn't like him because he got the sword so easily and that she didn't get her own special powers easily herself.

I know that she began to warm up to him when she learns that he puts up a stoic facade because he's scared of disappointing people by saying the wrong thing (which she considers similar to her issue of having to play 'a role' as the princess), but... for the most part, that is NOT the focus of those scenes. It's just "Link is cool; I suck; Gawd, I don't need an escort!" Very few memories seem to actually depict the two to be even remotely friendly towards each other. Professionally calm, sure. But nothing that indicates there might be more.


For me, Zelda games were never about romance. And I don't see why that would need to change. They've done well doing any romance as Method C, as you mentioned: it's there, but generally as an aside. Marin is the closest to having been a Method B previously, and even there you can make the case that it seems to come a bit out of nowhere.

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Even though it's brief, my favorite depiction of the relationship between Link and Zelda out of the games I've played has been in Minish Cap, where they're just childhood friends that get along great with no suggested romance between them whatsoever. It's just a nice, innocent feel between the two and it's something I enjoy. I wish the game would have actually gotten to explore it a bit more.

As for Marin, considering the game's limit in storytelling and such at the time, I don't think the romance came out of the blue for a game like that, as she drops hints every now and then before your "big date". Granted, it is just a dream, so you can argue that Link has never had a romantic interest, Skyward Sword aside for some people. But as disinterested overall as Link seems when it comes to romance, part of me likes to joke with the fact that the Link in Link's Awakening secretly longed for one, considering he was in a dream.
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