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Author: | Planetbox [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
I'm just going to do Conquest and then Revelations after I finish Hoshido, so I can experience all of the paths. I'm probably going to regret that decision though, based on some of the posts in this thread. |
Author: | General Luigi [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
A word of advice to anyone hoping to recruit the Hoshidan child characters: Marry Ryoma off ASAP and take on Shiro's recruitment mission when the party's average level is still low. If everyone's level is too high, the enemies will be way out of Shiro's league and he will get himself killed on the first turn before you get a chance to recruit him. I waited too long and now the mission is next to impossible; the first enemy to reach Shiro has enough attack power to take him out in two hits, is fast enough to hit twice, and has 100% accuracy. Once Azura's a Songstress again, I'll see if I can use her song to get Ryoma over to Shiro in a single turn. The distance might be too great, though. |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Spoiler: Paralogues 13 and 14 |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
damn it hana I tried to like you I really did Spoiler: Corrin and Hana's C - A support log |
Author: | Planetbox [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Franzise Deauxnim wrote: damn it hana I tried to like you I really did Spoiler: Corrin and Hana's C - A support log Spoiler: Granted, Hana is the best character, so it doesn't matter. |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
I'll admit she has nice legs And Vantage |
Author: | General Luigi [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
That's an example of the main reason why my character in Awakening almost always married the same person in each playthrough. It's nice that Nintendo gave the players more options with regards to who can marry whom, but it's pretty difficult to properly portray a transition from acquaintances to lovers over the course of a mere four conversations. It shouldn't be a surprise that many of the support paths can make the resulting marriage come off as forced. |
Author: | Planetbox [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Yeah. Granted, considering that you get these conversations by pairing units up a lot, I think we're meant to assume that those aren't the only conversations the units have, as that would just be bizarre. |
Author: | General Luigi [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Planetbox wrote: Yeah. Granted, considering that you get these conversations by pairing units up a lot, I think we're meant to assume that those aren't the only conversations the units have, as that would just be bizarre. Certainly true, although I feel the developers should imply as much in the conversations rather than just assume the players will fill in the blanks on their own. Edit: as a side-note, I find it amusing that the character I currently plan on marrying my Nohrian avatar off to is voiced by the same person who voiced my preferred love interest in Awakening. |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
The pairing/S-support system in Awakening/Fates is pretty terrible from a writing perspective. They can't have too much romantic tension going on in C-A supports in case the player already has S ranks with different units for the C-A pair... but then when they get to S rank the writers need to get "marriage" in there to justify the kids. It's a dumb system and while I understand the flexibility it gives players gameplay-wise, I really can't help but wonder if they couldn't limit the possible S pairings and make those conversations more romantically inclined and other pairings more platonic. Interestingly, this go-around several of the kid S-ranks are platonic, at least in the localization. |
Author: | Pierre [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Bolt Storm wrote: The pairing/S-support system in Awakening/Fates is pretty terrible from a writing perspective. They can't have too much romantic tension going on in C-A supports in case the player already has S ranks with different units for the C-A pair... but then when they get to S rank the writers need to get "marriage" in there to justify the kids. It's a dumb system and while I understand the flexibility it gives players gameplay-wise, I really can't help but wonder if they couldn't limit the possible S pairings and make those conversations more romantically inclined and other pairings more platonic. Interestingly, this go-around several of the kid S-ranks are platonic, at least in the localization. So has that problem not improved with Fates? It was a problem for me in Awakening. |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
I mean, when you have to write a hundred or so different support conversations, there's bound to be a handful that aren't that great The real problem with the marriage system in Fates is not enough eligible women in the first generation In Awakening, not counting Robin and characters who could only marry him/her, there were 12 males and 10 females who could wed each other, plus Chrom and Sumia who had limited options. No matter what you did, someone wasn't getting married, but on the other hand, you could have Robin end up with pretty much anyone and still get all the children. In Fates, not counting Corrin and characters who could only marry him/her, there's exactly the same number of males and females. Which means if you get male Corrin hitched to one of the non-exclusive first gen girls, you're taking a potential wife away from one of the other men, which means you lose out on that character's child. way to drop the ball, IS |
Author: | Pierre [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Again this comes down to the quantity. I don't think its a big deal someone doesn't get married. There's normally at least one member of the cast so boring I never want to see them again or use them so don't try and pair them xD. But I'll take that as the problems still exist where the romance can come out of nowhere on occasion. How about this though? Are father-child relationships still generic? Where the child has the same issus no matter who the dad is? |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Well in Fates the children are determined by the father instead of the mother (outside of Corrin and Azura who each have their own kid) but from what little I've seen so far, mother-child supports are still fairly generic with one notable exception: Spoiler: Revelations spoiler |
Author: | General Luigi [ Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Just finished Chapter 21 of Conquest. I'm starting to wonder when the plot is supposed to start stinking, as I've actually been enjoying it so far. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one moment that actually bugged me, and that's the scene after completing the aforementioned chapter. Spoiler: After Chapter 21 of Conquest |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
General Luigi wrote: Just finished Chapter 21 of Conquest. I'm starting to wonder when the plot is supposed to start stinking, as I've actually been enjoying it so far. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one moment that actually bugged me, and that's the scene after completing the aforementioned chapter. Spoiler: After Chapter 21 of Conquest I mean, Chapters 14 and 15 are pretty hilariously bad in my book. Spoiler: Conquest It's a really clear case of "we needed events X, Y, and Z to happen but we couldn't figure out a reasonable way for it to go down." What you mentioned is just more of a clumsy attempt at pathos (and, again, to give Corrin opportunity to angst.) |
Author: | Pierre [ Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Psst I blitzed past it but you should probably fix your spoiler tag |
Author: | General Luigi [ Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
The things that bugged you struck me as little more than minor details rather than a legitimate problem in the plot as a whole. I'll grant that some of those things could have been handled better, but they didn't bother me as much as they apparently bothered you, Bolt. |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Pierre wrote: Psst I blitzed past it but you should probably fix your spoiler tag ...? It looks tagged to me. (Unless I was tired last night, didn't realize it wasn't tagged right, and then a mod fixed it while I was at work, which is entirely possible. ) General Luigi wrote: The things that bugged you struck me as little more than minor details rather than a legitimate problem in the plot as a whole. I'll grant that some of those things could have been handled better, but they didn't bother me as much as they apparently bothered you, Bolt. I mean, they aren't game-breaking issues or anything, I just thought those two chapters were noticeably bad in terms of plot logic, and I'm inclined to call a spade a spade. It also stuck out a bit because before release they were going on about how they brought on a new writer to improve on Awakening's story, and the end result seems to be "a story with bigger ambition that falls flat on its face" instead of Awakening's "story that's just kind of there." |
Author: | General Luigi [ Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Out of curiosity, how many people aren't interested in the children mechanic in Fates? Maybe it's because I don't like how the game tries to justify making them playable, maybe it's because three of the Birthright children are clearly based on characters from Awakening, or maybe it's some other reason altogether, but I'm prone to just not deploying the children once I've recruited them. I mostly do their recruitment missions to get loot, grind levels, and build up supports. |
Author: | Planetbox [ Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
General Luigi wrote: Out of curiosity, how many people aren't interested in the children mechanic in Fates? Maybe it's because I don't like how the game tries to justify making them playable, maybe it's because three of the Birthright children are clearly based on characters from Awakening, or maybe it's some other reason altogether, but I'm prone to just not deploying the children once I've recruited them. I mostly do their recruitment missions to get loot, grind levels, and build up supports. I don't know yet, because I haven't been able to beat any of the child paralogues. :( |
Author: | Bolt Storm [ Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
I was definitely less interested in the kids this go around (though I was never huge on them in Awakening, either.) Part of it is that Conquest has the restrictions on EXP/resources, and the kids no longer have the potential to come with ridiculous base stats, which means they're basically just more units to manage. I only wound up using Kana and Shigure, and Kana was more of a support bot than a heavy hitter in her own right. |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
^ Pretty much that, plus I'm struggling to figure out who to pair with who. It's not as cut and dry as in Awakening (give Galeforce to as many kids as possible) since there's nothing as broken as that in Fates and you can buy skills anyway, so it's more about stats and classes. I did just get done S-ranking Silas and Oboro, though, hoping two tanky af characters will have a tanky af kid. I actually liked their support, too, so bonus. also somehow my Rhajat ended up even more powerful than Corrin |
Author: | Bramimond [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
So I was stalking Serenes and Twitter, and apparently some of the fanbase is in an uproar about the localisation. I mean, I heard about the changes Nintendo made to the game, but is it really that bad? Or are the "fans" (and I use that term very loosely) just very salty? See #torrentialdownpour on Twitter to see what I mean. Also there's this business with Gamergate but I don't know what's up with that. All in all, is the game at least good, like more decent than Awakening? I want to get it after I beat Monster Hunter. |
Author: | dullahan1 [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Honestly kinda glad about how the kids are handled, just as extra units, nothing more. Awakening honestly just felt like baby maker the game and took out whatever remaining strategy that Awakening had as the children were pretty much too OP, making the other units worthless. I'm still getting through Conquest on a first playthrough myself and just got Kana after completing Chapter 18. Much like what Bolt said, I've just been using her as a support rather than a direct attacker. I will say though, I'm only speaking for Conquest, but I've really enjoyed the map variety the game has had to offer and the challenge the game has. So far for me, the gameplay has felt pretty solid. |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Gameplay-wise, Fates is better. Story-wise, I haven't finished any of the paths, but from what I've seen Bolt was very generous when he linked Dogsong. I started a Conquest playthrough a couple days ago and it was dumber than I expected, which is really saying something. |
Author: | dullahan1 [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
To be fair, from my understanding, as Fire Emblem ever been a series praised for its story? Honestly, I always thought it was more about gameplay and strategy than anything else. |
Author: | CoolFencer [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
dullahan1 wrote: To be fair, from my understanding, as Fire Emblem ever been a series praised for its story? Honestly, I always thought it was more about gameplay and strategy than anything else. I like both the gameplay and story of most of the FE games, shadow dragons story isn't great but it's a remake the first game on the NES so that's acceptable, but I always have praised the story (especially Radiant Dawn.) of the games as well as the strategic gameplay |
Author: | Pierre [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
dullahan1 wrote: To be fair, from my understanding, as Fire Emblem ever been a series praised for its story? Honestly, I always thought it was more about gameplay and strategy than anything else. Eh until Awakening I considered the support conversation writing pretty solid from my experience. Quite liked Sacred Stones story too. Bramimond wrote: So I was stalking Serenes and Twitter, and apparently some of the fanbase is in an uproar about the localisation. I mean, I heard about the changes Nintendo made to the game, but is it really that bad? Or are the "fans" (and I use that term very loosely) just very salty? See #torrentialdownpour on Twitter to see what I mean. Also there's this business with Gamergate but I don't know what's up with that. All in all, is the game at least good, like more decent than Awakening? I want to get it after I beat Monster Hunter. Heh heh one does not simply "finish" Monster Hunter |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
dullahan1 wrote: To be fair, from my understanding, as Fire Emblem ever been a series praised for its story? Honestly, I always thought it was more about gameplay and strategy than anything else. Wouldn't know personally but from what I've heard Awakening is considered to have one of the weaker stories in FE (though I thought it was alright) and Fates is a few steps lower than that. I think what really sets me off is Garon is such an obviously complete monster that I can't even imagine why anyone would want to follow him. Even Gangrel was at least a little sympathetic. Also Spoiler: Xander I mean, there's dumb characters and stories, and then there's Fates. |
Author: | dullahan1 [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
I've only played a bit of 7 and 13 prior to this, so to be fair, I was going off assumptions based off my conversations with others that I've had who played more of this series than me and the ones I've talked to have always been more focused on the gameplay than the story. I'm getting close to finishing Conquest, and honestly aside from a few stupid things here and there, I honestly like the story better than Awakening's. While I can't forgive some of the weaker plot elements, the character motivations that'd bug me a bit are expanded on in the support conversations and it makes more sense to me. Spoiler: Garon I actually like how some of the support conversations in Conquest expand not only on the characters but the story this time as well. Awakening didn't do any of that, and it's one of the many reasons I like it more. Also, Pierre, from my experience, I've never really had any problems with the support convos in FE. Haven't really S-ranked much in Fates yet to make the call, but the only problems I've had with support convos so far are most of the S-rank ones in Awakening. Those "falling in love" convos felt so forced and unnatural that I really felt uncomfortable with most of them. |
Author: | Alonso Swift [ Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
dullahan1 wrote: Also, Pierre, from my experience, I've never really had any problems with the support convos in FE. Haven't really S-ranked much in Fates yet to make the call, but the only problems I've had with support convos so far are most of the S-rank ones in Awakening. Those "falling in love" convos felt so forced and unnatural that I really felt uncomfortable with most of them. Yeah... Most of the S-Ranks that I've seen in Fates still run into that same issue. A saying I've heard about them is that ranks C through A need to be platonic enough so that any S-Rank can be gotten, so they have to jam all the romance into S. ...Which is exactly the problem. |
Author: | Planetbox [ Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Alonso Swift wrote: dullahan1 wrote: Also, Pierre, from my experience, I've never really had any problems with the support convos in FE. Haven't really S-ranked much in Fates yet to make the call, but the only problems I've had with support convos so far are most of the S-rank ones in Awakening. Those "falling in love" convos felt so forced and unnatural that I really felt uncomfortable with most of them. Yeah... Most of the S-Ranks that I've seen in Fates still run into that same issue. A saying I've heard about them is that ranks C through A need to be platonic enough so that any S-Rank can be gotten, so they have to jam all the romance into S. ...Which is exactly the problem. The problem is, I'm not sure if there's really anyway to fix that. It would be weird to put romantic stuff into the first three supports because either character could already have another S-Support. It suppose they could add another support after S or something, but I'm not really sure how that would work from a gameplay perspective either. |
Author: | General Luigi [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 2:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Something with some rather unfortunate implications just occurred to me with regards to Odin, Selena, and Laslow. Spoiler: Odin and Laslow's A-Level Support |
Author: | Planetbox [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
General Luigi wrote: Something with some rather unfortunate implications just occurred to me with regards to Odin, Selena, and Laslow. Spoiler: Odin and Laslow's A-Level Support That whole thing raises even more strange questions... Spoiler: Also... General Luigi wrote: I always marry Sumia off to Chrom |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 2:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Spoiler: |
Author: | dullahan1 [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
I've beaten Conquest and I'm about halfway through Birthright. Right now, I feel Birthright's story is okay and some of the characters are nice. But the whole time I've been playing, I just keep thinking how much more I preferred Conquest, both from a gameplay standpoint and its music. The music in Birthright is good too, but I feel it just doesn't blow me away like it did in Conquest where I instantly fell in love with some of the map themes. Coming off of Conquest too, Birthright just feels kinda boring to me, especially since I'm not having to worry about how to optimally manage my units, which was a thing that made me enjoy Conquest a lot more. One thing I do give Hoshido though is from an aesthetic viewpoint, I prefer the look of Hoshido's kingdom over Nohr's. As for my thoughts on the story of Conquest, it had some low points here and there, but I overall enjoyed the story. The message felt a bit forced and some plot points really got bad because of said message, but it was a decent story nonetheless. At least it didn't lose its focus, which instantly made me like it way more than Awakening's, where I felt it started good, then went to who knows where until the end where it remembered what it was doing. I just honestly wish that Camilla wasn't just pandering to fanservice, because I actually kinda liked her as a character, but that whole aspect ruined her for me. This has to be said for me too. I love just how cheesy Arthur's character is. Reminds me so much of Captain Gordon DEFENDER OF EARTH from Disgaea. |
Author: | General Luigi [ Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
dullahan1 wrote: I just honestly wish that Camilla wasn't just pandering to fanservice, because I actually kinda liked her as a character, but that whole aspect ruined her for me. I feel the same way. Despite the developers' attempts to call attention to her sex appeal (I suspect my tastes in fanservice are atypical), she's probably one of my favorite characters in Fates. I'm conflicted over how to feel about the whole matter. On the one hand, Camilla proves that characters can be both interesting and "sexy." On the other hand, I'd probably still find her interesting if she had Nyx's body structure and dressed like Sophia from FE6. |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Well after failing Chapter 10 of Conquest about ten times I said screeeeeew this and cheesed some extra levels from the Boo Camp DLC map pay 2 win |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Fire Emblem series |
Anyone else achieve A-rank support with Spoiler: Birthright Chapter 15 |
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