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Oh wow.
I love the remix of Morphogenetic Sorrow.
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I'm wondering why they only show us the "9" door in the trailer.. hm..
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The word "ambidextrous" is derived from the Latin roots ambi-, meaning "both," and dexter, meaning "right" or favorable. Thus, "ambidextrous" is literally "right / favorable on both sides." The term ambidexter in English was originally used in a legal sense of jurors who accepted bribes from both parties for their verdict.

Any ideas of what this will have to do with "betrayal"?
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"Both favorable" could refer to the two choices the players seems to have: cooperation or betrayal? Perhaps they are told that both options can get them out of there. Or perhaps it has something to do with the bracelets. As someone pointed out, there are room for two digits on the watches.

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Will there be a new Zero? Maybe Old Junpei (?) will track June down and think she betrayed him.
Interesting it says "Let my game begin" and they also show Zero, and the rabbit. "Not a sequel" my ass.


*smacks head* I must stop reading :( I dont want to spoil things.
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This is all too much.

There's been a fucktonne of new information in less than a day. My brain is not ready.
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Jack Lamber wrote:
I'm wondering why they only show us the "9" door in the trailer.. hm..
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The word "ambidextrous" is derived from the Latin roots ambi-, meaning "both," and dexter, meaning "right" or favorable. Thus, "ambidextrous" is literally "right / favorable on both sides." The term ambidexter in English was originally used in a legal sense of jurors who accepted bribes from both parties for their verdict.

Any ideas of what this will have to do with "betrayal"?
My theory:
"Both favorable" could refer to the two choices the players seems to have: cooperation or betrayal? Perhaps they are told that both options can get them out of there. Or perhaps it has something to do with the bracelets. As someone pointed out, there are room for two digits on the watches.


Well, in the trailer is also the term "prisoner's dilemma" which could be part of the game.

"The prisoner's dilemma is a fundamental problem in game theory that demonstrates why two people might not cooperate even if it is in both their best interests to do so."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_dilemma
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Trailer and teaser site are up. It is most definitely a sequel to 999.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqGs441qzU

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Awesome sauce.

Spoiler: Trailer observations
Holy crap, it's Zero! $10 says it's Junpei under the hood this time, fo' sho'! :redd:
Judging from the word clouds, looks like we're getting another slew of seemingly disparate concepts and ideas that will all tie together into an insane and crazy plot. Excellent! (Also, I spy the return of Ice9 in there, at 0:59.)

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Who knows? Also, given the description of the game as "a game of betrayal", a thought occurs to me: what if the bracelets aren't linked to a bomb in the person wearing them, but rather to a bomb in a different person? If one were to fail the RED/DEAD test, they would be killing one other player and guaranteeing another's safety.


That would be a really creepy idea. Mind=Blown :D
But if this is the case
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how does that not start a chain that kills everyone?

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Oh wow, it seems it will be a direct sequel. Also, Schrödinger's cat? Nice. I think I can imagine how that'll come into play.
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More screens, plus a cleaner version of the shot of Phi.

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Girl: "I found this bracelet attached to my left wrist."
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Woman B: "It's the same with us."

Going by the second shot, it looks like players will be linked somehow this time around.
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Doesnt the last shot look like an older June? Hmmm....
In some ways I dont want to read anymore.. I mean I did read reviews of 999 but didnt read much otherwise, certainly nothing to spoil it.
Maybe I just feel spoiled as most of us know all about 999 now.
Information is coming VERY fast - I only knew about its exsistance yesterday and we're getting screens already.
Are we sure its a completely new game, and not a kind of Director's Cut of 999 (think the DS version of Broken Sword).
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Bolt Storm wrote:
More screens, plus a cleaner version of the shot of Phi.

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Girl: "I found this bracelet attached to my left wrist."
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Woman B: "It's the same with us."

Going by the second shot, it looks like players will be linked somehow this time around.

Ughh, so much for sprites being used in the novel portions. :nick:

Oh well. Place your bets on which character is going to die before the game even gets properly started! :karma:
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I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS.

Oh wait...I'll never be able to play it :'( I'm really sad about this! It's starting to look awesome...

What is a Playstation Vita? I feel like such a n00b for asking this. Is it anything that may let me play the game in the UK?
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I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS.

Oh wait...I'll never be able to play it :'( I'm really sad about this! It's starting to look awesome...

What is a Playstation Vita? I feel like such a n00b for asking this. Is it anything that may let me play the game in the UK?


If it's not region locked, but I honsetly don't know a lot about the Vita either :jake:
Does the fact that Atlus are the ones publishing the game make the chances for localization any better?

The fact that players will be somehow in pairs this time around makes me very excited :larry2:

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Place your bets on which character is going to die before the game even gets properly started!

Well I HOPE it's Mr. Robot, really :gregory:
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Atlus/Aksys published 999 didnt they? If Aksys localise it, it should be very good (thats IF its localised). Who knows, it may come to the UK, we'll have to see.
I got the impression from the first article I read it was only 50% done?
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My concern is how they can write this without really spoiling the events of 999.

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@grim_tales: the last thing you should worry about is the story, I say :) Think about how nicely everything came together in the first game.

BTW, seems like 999 is finally getting some serious attention after it's sequel was announced:
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=159793
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Fair enough, I think you're right, knowing how amazing 999 was. :) I just dont want to spoil myself too much on the story for the 3DS game or get deja vu or anything. :)
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Jack Lamber wrote:
@grim_tales: the last thing you should worry about is the story, I say :) Think about how nicely everything came together in the first game.

BTW, seems like 999 is finally getting some serious attention after it's sequel was announced:
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=159793


That's good news! I hope this encourages Aksys to release the game in Europe.

@samboo1: The PSVita is Sony's new handheld console, the successor for the PSP. It's not region locked, so you can import a game from the US (or even Japan) and play it on an European console.

Honestly, region locking the 3DS might be one of the dumbest moves Nintendo's ever made.
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@Mai: Ah, thank you. I doubt I'll buy a whole different console just for this game lol :P
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Good point. Perhaps the success of 999 means Aksys could bring the original (and so the sequel) to the UK. I hope it won't be censored in the UK though.
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Good point. Perhaps the success of 999 means Aksys could bring the original (and so the sequel) to the UK. I hope it won't be censored in the UK though.

Why would it be censored?
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Dunno. But I was just thinking about how some European versions of Wii games (eg No More Heroes) were censored compared to the US.
If 999/the sequel were to be released in the UK I'd think a 15 rating may be right.
Part of me hopes (in a way) not much is shown, that was partly what made 999 so creepy, the well written text, those piano cues...
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the axe ending when I thought Clover would go with me.... :( :O Also the text allowed me to put my own voices to the characters.

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Didn't nintendo say 3DS games could be optionally region locked?
Either way, I'm excited. But I wonder if there will be any differences between the 3DS and Vita version.
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Optionally region locked? What does that mean?
Maybe each version will be different, taking advantage of the hardware?
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Memento Mori,
If the Ninth Lion ate the Sun.

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Tu fui, ego eris. <"You to be, I will be.">

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And the only human missing, aside from the protagonist, is the green boy. Et tu Clover 2.0?


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I started looking at who owns what bracelet, but I can't seem to have enough frame control. And I can't seem to download the video itself. But here's what I've got.

3: Strong Male
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I remember someone at NeoGAF got some good screencaps of the bracelets, I'll track them down in a bit. But I'm not sure they're actually each character's number - it seemed more like just a visual effect to me.
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Wooster wrote:
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Okay, now I'm interested.
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One of the "players" is a robot, right? Does this mean he'll be bound by the Three Laws? Because if he is, then he basically can't harm any of the other players or himself. Which is pretty interesting considering this is a "game of betrayal", apparently.


Also, the Latin is wrong. "Tu fui, ego eris"? That doesn't mean anything. "Tu" means "you" (second person singular), "fui" means "(I) was" (first person singular), so it's something like "you was", which makes no sense. "Ego" means "I", while "eris" means "will be" (second person singular). It'd make sense if it was "Ego fui, tu eris" ("I was, you will be"). I wonder if that's intentional or not (having the personal pronouns swapped could have some significance, maybe?).
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Three Laws of Robotics


Okay, now I'm interested.
Spoiler:
One of the "players" is a robot, right? Does this mean he'll be bound by the Three Laws? Because if he is, then he basically can't harm any of the other players or himself. Which is pretty interesting considering this is a "game of betrayal", apparently.


Also, the Latin is wrong. "Tu fui, ego eris"? That doesn't mean anything. "Tu" means "you" (second person singular), "fui" means "(I) was" (first person singular), so it's something like "you was", which makes no sense. "Ego" means "I", while "eris" means "will be" (second person singular). It'd make sense if it was "Ego fui, tu eris" ("I was, you will be"). I wonder if that's intentional or not (having the personal pronouns swapped could have some significance, maybe?).


Theories:

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Unless he was reprogrammed? Hmmmm.... that is indeed a very interesting idea.
Maybe the goal in this game is to kill everyone (the "opposite" of the Nonary Game?)

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^^ There's clearly a number 9 door in the screenshot. Assuming the REDs work the same way, killing everyone else wouldn't exactly be beneficial.

The prisoner's dilemma interests me. Do you think communication between the players might be limited somehow? Or is it all just related to the theme of betrayal?

Okay, so Phi has the number nine bracelet in official artwork and her bracelet shows number three as a pair, so it can be assumed she's 9 (or 6 :P) and paired to 3.

I think Sigma is probably 3. Not just because the two are kind of obviously going to be shipped together (I just hope they don't recreate the Junpei/Akane mushiness), but because:
Phi = 21st letter of Greek alphabet = digital root 3
Sigma = 18th letter of Greek alphabet = digital root 9

It just fits.

So will there be one person left without a pair? Or will someone die before the game actually begins?
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You think Sigma and GirlSanta (Phi) will be the Junpei and Akane of this game?
I dont think theres any way this won't relate to 999.
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Well, it's not really based on much, only that they're the hero and heroine and given that Phi seems to know him.
Looking at the picture of the 9 door, the RED appears to be a little different. For one thing, it doesn't look like there's a place that will add 'stars' for when players scan themselves in. So maybe the 3-5 people rule has been changed somehow.
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The Junpei/June "mushiness" was glorious! GLORIOUS I TELL YOU!

That Memento Mori line so sounds like an anagram. Even if it isn't, it still is interesting: Memento mori is latin for "Remember you will die", as in "remember that you are mortal". And I read the lion eating the sun may be related to alchemy.
Tu fui, ego eris = you were, I will be? It's mistranslated, but makes some sort of sense. If literally translated it could mean... "You I was, me you will be", as in "I was you, you'll be me".

Also, it seems everyone's got their own number and a pair this time. Phi's got bracelet 9 and pair 3, which is probably Sigma. That's most probably the meaning of "Ambidex Edition": every player needs their bracelet and another player's to play, so they have two "hands". Ambidexter, as we all know, is the term used to describe people who can write with/use both hands with the same ease. Interesting tidbit: if that's the case, then 1 player will get killed off as demonstration just like in 999 (probably not a spoiler), since you can't pair 9 players amongst themselves: that would form 3 pairs of 2 and one group of 3. Killing off a needless player at the beginning would leave the Nonary Game at a clean 4 pairs of 2.

In this need-pair-to-survive scenario is the case, maybe this new edition of the Nonary Game would require at some point (or points!) for every player to make a decision: to cooperate with their partner or to betray them. Most probably, considering the nature of Zero's game, the cooperation would put both cooperating player's lives in danger, and betraying their pair would be an easy way out, so most players would be tempted to the latter option, instead of risking their lives for their pair's sake.

...WAIT. That could give some sense to the literal translation of "Tu fui, ego eris"! If it does mean "You I was, me you will be", or "I was you, you will be me", you could say it means "I am you and you are me", as in we both are the same person! According to my theory, in the Ambidex Edition of the Nonary Game two people have to work together to survive, or "be the same person"...

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The laws of robotics are interesting for a plot twist. Is Robo even a robot? Further, would a party member have any qualms about betraying the robot to save themselves?

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Who knows? Also, given the description of the game as "a game of betrayal", a thought occurs to me: what if the bracelets aren't linked to a bomb in the person wearing them, but rather to a bomb in a different person? If one were to fail the RED/DEAD test, they would be killing one other player and guaranteeing another's safety.


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Interesting about the pairing concept. Originally, 999's concept was to have characters handcuffed to one another, but they changed it because it was too similar to a movie that came out at the time. Looks like this is a little workaround to that.
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I started looking at who owns what bracelet, but I can't seem to have enough frame control. And I can't seem to download the video itself. But here's what I've got.

3: Strong Male
6: Thick Sleve
4: Male?
7: Same as 4?
From what I got:

0: The robot guy? It only makes sense...
1: Wrinkly skin - has to be the old guy
2: Bare arm - could be either gender, Snake-like guy?
3: I believe we know it's Sigma?
4: Looks like a strong male arm to me too
5: Very clean, smooth arm, girl? - Clover-ish girl?
6: Sleeve - little kid
7: Didn't change after 4, so uh... I'm not sure either
8: cuff - which means it's the June-ish girl

The Lotus-ish girl with the dark skin only had the skull appear on her's. Hmm...
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Question:
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Will there still be the big mystery this time of who Zero is? That was one of the best things of 999 (though there were many).
Having the bomb in another person (not you) sounds a great idea.. didnt they kinda do that in the 1st Nonary Game, ie Ace says the other kids will drown if the kids in Building Q don't solve the puzzles?

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I may have accidentally read a spoiler on YT *washes eyes* :( :-x
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Wooster wrote:
I started looking at who owns what bracelet, but I can't seem to have enough frame control. And I can't seem to download the video itself. But here's what I've got.

3: Strong Male
6: Thick Sleve
4: Male?
7: Same as 4?
From what I got:

0: The robot guy? It only makes sense...
1: Wrinkly skin - has to be the old guy
2: Bare arm - could be either gender, Snake-like guy?
3: I believe we know it's Sigma?
4: Looks like a strong male arm to me too
5: Very clean, smooth arm, girl? - Clover-ish girl?
6: Sleeve - little kid
7: Didn't change after 4, so uh... I'm not sure either
8: cuff - which means it's the June-ish girl

The Lotus-ish girl with the dark skin only had the skull appear on her's. Hmm...


Perhaps there's weight to 7 and 4 being the same... Flashing back...

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GLTM-KM506 Download Data
94648.28366
90239.20212
85830.12059
82449.82474
82449.82474 <Same number twice?>
72602.87598
68193.79444
59375.63137
54966.54983


9 Numbers, one twice. 9 Bracelets, one arm twice. Lotus 2.0 would be the 10th, so she's out. Then again, it is odd that we've got a 0, but no 9 bracelet. Hmm... Perhaps Lotus's bracelet is #9 but she dies like the 9th Man. The ninth bracelet is a 'very powerful ally' and would make the game too easy... but why then do we have 0? After all 9 and 0 have the same digital root.
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