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You know what really grinds my gears? Disappointing boss fights. When there's a buildup to a very important fight, I expect the fight to be worth all the buildup. If the boss turns out to be a complete pushover, I'm going to be understandably annoyed. Of course, poor atmosphere (such as a lackluster arena) can also make a boss fight unimpressive. This is especially infuriating in the case of a final boss. This is supposed to be the climax, yet the game fails to make it feel like one.
Admittedly, this kind of disappointment is something the player can sometimes bring upon himself/herself. For example, in RPGs, if you're overleveled or you happen to be outfitted in a manner that makes a certain boss incredibly easy to defeat, then it's only natural that the fight is going to be a disappointment.
Admittedly, this kind of disappointment is something the player can sometimes bring upon himself/herself. For example, in RPGs, if you're overleveled or you happen to be outfitted in a manner that makes a certain boss incredibly easy to defeat, then it's only natural that the fight is going to be a disappointment.
In the latter case I kinda find it hilariously satisfying when I steamroll a boss due to overlevelling.
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General Luigi wrote:
It can be amusing, yes, although I'm still figuring out what makes a battle amusing rather than a disappointment. I think plot significance is often a part of it. If the boss in question is very important to the plot, I tend to be rather disappointed if the boss is defeated too easily. For example, the third-to-last boss in Rune Factory 4 proved quite a challenge for me even when I was equipped to get around its defenses. The second-to-last boss was a total pushover, which I found quite amusing, considering that an FAQ I had read for the previous boss had mentioned that this boss had the potential to take me out very easily. The final boss, however, also turned out to be a pushover in my case, which I found immensely disappointing.
I'd say if it's a battle against a memorable character it makes it more amusing as well. Case in point: Gilgamesh of the Final Fantasy series.
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I'd say if it's a battle against a memorable character it makes it more amusing as well. Case in point: Gilgamesh of the Final Fantasy series.
Quite honestly, I don't remember a thing about majority of battles against him. Only one quote and that's because people quote it a lot. The fight is pretty much... gone from memory.
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I'd say if it's a battle against a memorable character it makes it more amusing as well. Case in point: Gilgamesh of the Final Fantasy series.
Quite honestly, I don't remember a thing about majority of battles against him. Only one quote and that's because people quote it a lot. The fight is pretty much... gone from memory.
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Yeah but you are quite an exceptional person no?
In any case it wasn't the example that matters as much as the point. Can you think of another character you did like and find memorable that you had to fight?
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Pierre wrote:
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I'd say if it's a battle against a memorable character it makes it more amusing as well. Case in point: Gilgamesh of the Final Fantasy series.
Quite honestly, I don't remember a thing about majority of battles against him. Only one quote and that's because people quote it a lot. The fight is pretty much... gone from memory.
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Yeah but you are quite an exceptional person no?
In any case it wasn't the example that matters as much as the point. Can you think of another character you did like and find memorable that you had to fight?
Ghirahim from Skyward Sword. Asch from Tales of the Abyss, I enjoyed fighting against him. Those are the first two I think of when I think of characters I like that I have to fight in their games.
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Memorable characters = Amusing Boss Fights.
Also reminds me I should go back and finish Tales of the Abyss.
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General Luigi wrote:
You know what really grinds my gears? Disappointing boss fights. When there's a buildup to a very important fight, I expect the fight to be worth all the buildup. If the boss turns out to be a complete pushover, I'm going to be understandably annoyed. Of course, poor atmosphere (such as a lackluster arena) can also make a boss fight unimpressive. This is especially infuriating in the case of a final boss. This is supposed to be the climax, yet the game fails to make it feel like one.
Admittedly, this kind of disappointment is something the player can sometimes bring upon himself/herself. For example, in RPGs, if you're overleveled or you happen to be outfitted in a manner that makes a certain boss incredibly easy to defeat, then it's only natural that the fight is going to be a disappointment.
Admittedly, this kind of disappointment is something the player can sometimes bring upon himself/herself. For example, in RPGs, if you're overleveled or you happen to be outfitted in a manner that makes a certain boss incredibly easy to defeat, then it's only natural that the fight is going to be a disappointment.
This is one reason I loved the boss fights in Lunar:SSSC; the bosses' stats increase according to your level, so there aren't really any particularly weak bosses. They stop getting stronger once you hit Level 50, but it's extremely unlikely you'll get much higher than that anyway since grinding at that point is awful.
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Quick time events. If you want to test the reactions of the player, do it through the gameplay, not random button presses in cinematic events.
Eh I dunno I think there's a case to be made for quick time eve events when portraying something difficult to show through gameplay. There's times when it's still enjoyable to me like the knife fight cut scene in re4 and all of Asura' Wrath.
So long as the spectacle is entertaining enough and they ain't too arbitrary (mashing to pull open every door) then I think they are fine.
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Pierre wrote:
So long as the spectacle is entertaining enough and they ain't too arbitrary (mashing to pull open every door) then I think they are fine.
OK... Then what's your opinion of the Rites of Awakening in Bravely Default. All those amount to is 'mash X repeatedly to win', and
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it kinda loses its enjoyability and spectacle after a while.
Well? Are we going or what?
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General Luigi wrote:
You know what really grinds my gears? Disappointing boss fights. When there's a buildup to a very important fight, I expect the fight to be worth all the buildup. If the boss turns out to be a complete pushover, I'm going to be understandably annoyed. Of course, poor atmosphere (such as a lackluster arena) can also make a boss fight unimpressive. This is especially infuriating in the case of a final boss. This is supposed to be the climax, yet the game fails to make it feel like one.
Admittedly, this kind of disappointment is something the player can sometimes bring upon himself/herself. For example, in RPGs, if you're overleveled or you happen to be outfitted in a manner that makes a certain boss incredibly easy to defeat, then it's only natural that the fight is going to be a disappointment.
Admittedly, this kind of disappointment is something the player can sometimes bring upon himself/herself. For example, in RPGs, if you're overleveled or you happen to be outfitted in a manner that makes a certain boss incredibly easy to defeat, then it's only natural that the fight is going to be a disappointment.
A boss doesn't have to be easy to be disappointing, they can also be cheap, annoying, unsatisfying, and simply not fun. Just look at Jasper Batt JR. from No More Heroes 2. He's insanely difficult, but not in a fun way. He's so cheap, and so unsatisfying, that it results in a terrible final boss.
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Alonso Swift wrote:
Pierre wrote:
So long as the spectacle is entertaining enough and they ain't too arbitrary (mashing to pull open every door) then I think they are fine.
OK... Then what's your opinion of the Rites of Awakening in Bravely Default. All those amount to is 'mash X repeatedly to win', and
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it kinda loses its enjoyability and spectacle after a while.
Arbitrarty and uninteresting. I've tried to break every single crystal I come across just to make it seem more exciting.
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Alonso Swift wrote:
Pierre wrote:
So long as the spectacle is entertaining enough and they ain't too arbitrary (mashing to pull open every door) then I think they are fine.
OK... Then what's your opinion of the Rites of Awakening in Bravely Default. All those amount to is 'mash X repeatedly to win', and
Spoiler: Bravely Default
it kinda loses its enjoyability and spectacle after a while.
Well, I don't think it's meant to be super-entertaining/interesting, but it's not like they're very long or very hard. And I think it's a lot nicer than just giving the player a yes/no choice or something.
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When people blame their team for losing, ie most LoL players.
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Games where control is taken from you in order to show you a cinematic angle of something you did. The Burnout games do it, and so do that Criterion-developed Need for Speed games. Sniper Elite 3 also does this.
Ah I quite like that on occasion makes something relatively mundane a bit more cinematic. Fallout does it all the time.
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Hijikata Tōshirō wrote:
The darkness factor is what adds to the fear of the game because what you can't see makes it just that much scarier because you won't know whats coming at you. Also who cares if a game has bad graphics because you can have a great game with decent graphics and great storyline and gameplay and then you can have games with great graphics and shitty storyline and gameplay like for example Destiny.
My girlfriend insists old games from the ps1 era and the like are the best for horror as with the poor blurry graphics and the darkness of everything left more up to the player's imagination.
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The darkness factor is what adds to the fear of the game because what you can't see makes it just that much scarier because you won't know whats coming at you. Also who cares if a game has bad graphics because you can have a great game with decent graphics and great storyline and gameplay and then you can have games with great graphics and shitty storyline and gameplay like for example Destiny.
Because, as I said, darkness ISN'T scary. And even if it is, it's a VERY crude way to make things scary. Not being able to see what's going in the game isn't scary, it's annoying and it would piss me off to the point of slamming the headset down and rage-quitting because fuck that shit, I do NOT want to play a game that tries to scare me with "Oooooooh looookieee, it's daaaark, whooooooow~ *ghost noises and waggly fingers*"
Plus, darkness just leads to jumpscares. Which might work once or twice, but then you kinda don't give a shit anymore cause you go "Oh look it's dark over here. And that's where I have to go. JEEZ, wonder if something will jump out at me and make loud noise? Oh look at that, it happened. WHATEVER." since it's expected.
I'd rather have survival horror that goes more on the psychological side. Makes me question whether I, as the protagonist, am still sane or am going insane, if there really IS something coming after me or if I have lost it to the point of just making up something coming after me. Stuff like that. Not Darkness Jumpscare Whooooow!
And shitty graphics can be okay, but only if the story is REALLY good and if the environment DOESN'T matter to bring the point of the story across. DreadOut - everyone says it's boring, which I can see why, it lacks jumpscares a lot and it is short, but the environment is creepy (Too dark, once again) but I can see enough to see okay, well, maybe the graphics aren't that great (the bodyform of the protagonist and her friends seems a bit... wonky to me) but the story is decent enough that the not-so-great textures of the broken down school don't bother me much.
And much as I like Outlast and Outlast Whistleblower, with some good graphics as well (though some of the malformations and scars on the valiant and patients looks very weird) it's just TOO dark. AND focuses too much on Jumpscares. Or even Among The Sleep. It's kind of cute, but also creepy and the environment (toooo daaaaaark at times) does show imagination... which makes sense, considering the revelation at the end of the game.
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Pierre wrote:
Hijikata Tōshirō wrote:
The darkness factor is what adds to the fear of the game because what you can't see makes it just that much scarier because you won't know whats coming at you. Also who cares if a game has bad graphics because you can have a great game with decent graphics and great storyline and gameplay and then you can have games with great graphics and shitty storyline and gameplay like for example Destiny.
My girlfriend insists old games from the ps1 era and the like are the best for horror as with the poor blurry graphics and the darkness of everything left more up to the player's imagination.
That's what made the horror genre so great back in the day because they knew how to make great use of the games atmosphere and the players imagination.
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I find DreadOut and P.T. (the new Silent Hill demo) to be very good in the psychological aspect of horror. P.T. makes you feel like you're slowly going insane due to its repetitiveness. In DreadOut you're wandering around a pitch black environment with a flashlight with crappy range, hardly being able to see what is lurking around.
As for something that grinds my gears, why is Five Nights at Freddy's so popular? While it does have an intriguing story, the gameplay is just jump scares. A proper horror game has jump scares but also a psychological aspect to it. Once you figure out the movements of the enemies, FNAF becomes a chore and the jump scares get annoying.
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As for FNAF, eh... the story is a decent idea. (Animatronics from Suck E Cheese running murder rampant) But why it keeps going is beyond me! You're the nightguard and the first night you learn the animatronics are running around and WILL kill you if they see you moving. WHY does the player character keep coming back? After seeing that, I'd run for the hills and not return! And the idea is actually kinda dumb, too. What, children were kidnapped and murdered years ago, the bodies never found, the animatronics have been smelling like decomp and oozing blood and mucus, took a bite off of someone's frontal lobe in 1987 (the game supposedly takes place 1995 or our time, not sure) and it's STILL open? What sane person would ALLOW that?! How do they even have business AT ALL?! Yeah, whatever, Suck E Cheese will close down at the end of the year - why did it take them so long? If someone got munched and murdered in that place, it should've been forcefully closed down within MONTHS of those events!
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As for something that grinds my gears, why is Five Nights at Freddy's so popular?
The same reason other jump scare based games are popular. Case in point, this game, Slender, etc. This situation is what grinds my gears, too. Games like this being popular for no reason other than kids looking for the same thing over and over on Youtube, and people looking to make a quick buck by playing it with facecam, screaming and overacting (ermahgerd I'm so scared like and sub guys thanks) then putting a photo of themselves gurning or pulling a "scared" face up, to get pre-teens to view it and eat it up.
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
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As for something that grinds my gears, why is Five Nights at Freddy's so popular?
The same reason other jump scare based games are popular. Case in point, this game, Slender, etc. This situation is what grinds my gears, too. Games like this being popular for no reason other than kids looking for the same thing over and over on Youtube, and people looking to make a quick buck by playing it with facecam, screaming and overacting (ermahgerd I'm so scared like and sub guys thanks) then putting a photo of themselves gurning or pulling a "scared" face up, to get pre-teens to view it and eat it up.
Pretty much why I also hate Pewdiepie
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
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As for something that grinds my gears, why is Five Nights at Freddy's so popular?
The same reason other jump scare based games are popular. Case in point, this game, Slender, etc. This situation is what grinds my gears, too. Games like this being popular for no reason other than kids looking for the same thing over and over on Youtube, and people looking to make a quick buck by playing it with facecam, screaming and overacting (ermahgerd I'm so scared like and sub guys thanks) then putting a photo of themselves gurning or pulling a "scared" face up, to get pre-teens to view it and eat it up.
I read that ProJared and Cr1tikal played FNAF and were not scared. Cr1tikal even had nothing but deadpan snark to give. Which is why I'll watch his LP of it. I already like his takes on those informercials.
(Upon seeing Chica in the dining room) "That duck looks like it has a soup ladle shoved up its rectum. Poor thing looks startled."
(While ranting at Phone Guy) "I'd like to emphasize the importance of a concise message that conveys what you want to say-" *attacked by Bonnie* "All right, excuse me, then."
(When Freddy visits him in the dark) "Serenade me, Fazbear. Serenade my candy ass."
I mean, I enjoy watching Krillin Plays scary games, but that's because it's Krillin from DBZ Abridged and scary games really allows Lani to play on Krillin being a butt monkey and easily scared - he's even stated to not be able to shut up when scared.
Then again, I find it weird if someone seems too scared by something in a game, whether the game is supposed to be scary or isn't. I like watching Sena play Zelda games, but he seems so... super surprised and worried when fighting the simplest of enemies... maybe he's just pretending...
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Recently there was a southpark episode that made fun of people like pewdiepie.
Not LIKE pewdipie, he's actually in it and he's actually getting mocked in this week's episode (and probably also next week's episode)
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Pokémon players who get online with a message asking people to battle them and then never respond when you send a battle request. That'd be about 97% of them.
Yeah, I know most are probably kids, but that doesn't make it any less annoying. Besides, it's not like the game connects you to the net automatically, you have to make a conscious effort to get online, and there's very little reason to do so unless you're looking to battle or trade.
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Sjibbey wrote:
Hijikata Tōshirō wrote:
Recently there was a southpark episode that made fun of people like pewdiepie.
Not LIKE pewdipie, he's actually in it and he's actually getting mocked in this week's episode (and probably also next week's episode)
The episode was pretty much at people like pewdipie and how kids these days would rather watch other people play games and overexaggerate their reactions instead of actually buying and playing a game.
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Hijikata Tōshirō wrote:
The episode was pretty much at people like pewdipie and how kids these days would rather watch other people play games and overexaggerate their reactions instead of actually buying and playing a game.
I personally don't like it if someone exaggerates their reactions to something in an LP. Unless they are doing it with a heavy hint of sarcasm. Though most of the LPs I watch are of games I have played myself - I also enjoy watching Hardcores of some games. Like PBG and his friends doing Hardcore in Minecraft, MineZ or Terraria. Mostly cause I can tell Minecraft isn't the game I like playing myself - it really is more fun for me to watch someone else play it.
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I don't get what's going on with Sonic these past few years. They had something good going with Colors and Generations but now they seem content on changing every single thing in the new games.
Well concerning the new game Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric I can the main reason for the design change was marketability. Since the game was going to be paired with a cartoon series it would be a lot easier to 'tweak' the characters personality a bit.
For example: It's much easier to write a show where you have a dumb muscle-head instead of a character who guards a giant emerald for reasons. Now Sonic is the 'leader', Tails is the 'smart guy' Amy is 'girl power' and Knuckles is the afore mentioned 'dumb powerhouse'. And boy do they like to make these roles clear by spouting constant annoying one-liners (in the game).
Now if the characters are relatively blank slates the writers have more options to push the story in or even think up new back-stories for the new redesigned characters. If they used Sonic's old design than it would be a lot harder to get that new fresh start they were hoping for here. I'm not sure how this 'new sonic' translates to the cartoon, but the game suffers from the same thing which made Sonic 06 infamous: marketing deadlines. I've seen enough of the game by now to say that the game is unfinished and lacks quite some polish in lots of areas. But since December was around the corner they released the game in it's current state, resulting in a messy game.
If they took the time to develop the game properly than the game would have a lot less issues, cut scenes could be done PROPERLY and improve overall design. But finishing everything before the holiday season seemed more important for the Sonic Team.
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Re: You Know What Really Grinds My Gears As A Gamer?
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MBr wrote:
I don't get what's going on with Sonic these past few years. They had something good going with Colors and Generations but now they seem content on changing every single thing in the new games.
The last sonic game I ever played was the one for Dreamcast with Chaos and Shadow.
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