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At any rate, Korra and Avatar is back! If you want to check out the new episodes and possibly discuss more, I recommend checking this place out:
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So, have they said anything on what the next season will be about?
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The first book, while sometimes focusing on the wrong thing, at least had a really intriguing overarching story. Dealing with regular people's discontent and fear over benders is a fantastic theme, and in my opinion far more so than even beating the Firelord - no, The Last Airbender is still better than the Legend of Korra, particularly when it comes to the characters, but I always found the plot a tad too simplistic - defeat X after a 100 years of war and all will be well again.
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Overall, it was very disappointing. Hopefully more characters will be useful in the next book, and that it'll be about something more interesting.
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I also watched episode 3 and 4, and without spoiling anything, it seems like they're once again focusing on way too many subplots and character arcs than is possible for a series with around 12 episodes per season. After the complete disaster that was Book 2, I'm not hyped at all, and I expect it to continue like the previous seasons: Team Avatar is boring and useless, Korra's character regresses and Tenzin keeps getting the best character development and most hilarious lines, even though they're desperately trying to make Bolin Sokka 2.0.
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I don't know how many of you know about the recent (or rather, now the few-days-old) slip-up, but The Legend of Korra Book 3 Episode 3-6 were leaked online in Spanish, which has forced Nickelodeon to reveal the trailer for the next season.
No, no. That can't be the real trailer. Nope. Not at all. I don't care what the reason is, there's no way a crapload of airbenders suddenly emerged in a few months/a year or so when we were told multiple times that Tenzin and his children were the only airbenders in existence.
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Also, it appears one of my favorite characters from the previous series will be showing up. I'd recognize that scar anywhere.
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1. Other people actually met the lion Sea turtle and gained the power of airbending.
2. In the past, not all air nomad died and they actually hided in the other nations and peretended to be non benders.
Also, Sparky Sparky Boom Girl anyone? It's true that they never really explained his power...
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Just saw the trailer and I have two theories about the airbenders.
1. Other people actually met the lion Sea turtle and gained the power of airbending.
2. In the past, not all air nomad died and they actually hided in the other nations and peretended to be non benders.
Also, Sparky Sparky Boom Girl anyone? It's true that they never really explained his power...
1. Other people actually met the lion Sea turtle and gained the power of airbending.
2. In the past, not all air nomad died and they actually hided in the other nations and peretended to be non benders.
Also, Sparky Sparky Boom Girl anyone? It's true that they never really explained his power...
I'd assume it's because of Harmonic Convergence, A.K.A the worst thing that has ever happened to the Avatar series. That's probably why Bumi can airbend all of a sudden, which we saw in the trailer.
Seriously, there are a few things I simply cannot forgive the last season for. While the love triangle was obnoxious in the first season, at least the overarching plot was good and the ending, while rushed and solved too many problems, actually felt like a somewhat credible ending; in season two, Korra decides to keep portals open to a world where beings susceptible to negative emotions which can cause them to go on berserker sprees live. Throw in character regression, the most boring villain of all time and a cliché battle between light and dark, and you've got the perfect recipe for an inevitable bad end.
Oh, and giant laser avatar fights with deux ex machina, but I've managed to suppress my memories of that to a certain extent.
Sorry, I shouldn't whine so much, but I really have little faith left in the Korra series after that trainwreck. It also seems that, even though they've publically admitted that the love triangles were a bad idea and that they were going to stop, they're going to repeat many of the same mistakes. The character cast is ludicrously bloated. Aside from team Avatar and Tenzin's family, we've now got a new airbender kid, Zuko, more of Esna, Desna and Tonraq, a a team of four villains plus the Earth Queen, Lin and her family...and that's just off the top of my head with the limited information I have!
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I'd assume it's because of Harmonic Convergence, A.K.A the worst thing that has ever happened to the Avatar series. That's probably why Bumi can airbend all of a sudden, which we saw in the trailer.
Seriously, there are a few things I simply cannot forgive the last season for. While the love triangle was obnoxious in the first season, at least the overarching plot was good and the ending, while rushed and solved too many problems, actually felt like a somewhat credible ending; in season two, Korra decides to keep portals open to a world where beings susceptible to negative emotions which can cause them to go on berserker sprees live. Throw in character regression, the most boring villain of all time and a cliché battle between light and dark, and you've got the perfect recipe for an inevitable bad end.
Oh, and giant laser avatar fights with deux ex machina, but I've managed to suppress my memories of that to a certain extent.
Sorry, I shouldn't whine so much, but I really have little faith left in the Korra series after that trainwreck. It also seems that, even though they've publically admitted that the love triangles were a bad idea and that they were going to stop, they're going to repeat many of the same mistakes. The character cast is ludicrously bloated. Aside from team Avatar and Tenzin's family, we've now got a new airbender kid, Zuko, more of Esna, Desna and Tonraq, a a team of four villains plus the Earth Queen, Lin and her family...and that's just off the top of my head with the limited information I have!
Seriously, there are a few things I simply cannot forgive the last season for. While the love triangle was obnoxious in the first season, at least the overarching plot was good and the ending, while rushed and solved too many problems, actually felt like a somewhat credible ending; in season two, Korra decides to keep portals open to a world where beings susceptible to negative emotions which can cause them to go on berserker sprees live. Throw in character regression, the most boring villain of all time and a cliché battle between light and dark, and you've got the perfect recipe for an inevitable bad end.
Oh, and giant laser avatar fights with deux ex machina, but I've managed to suppress my memories of that to a certain extent.
Sorry, I shouldn't whine so much, but I really have little faith left in the Korra series after that trainwreck. It also seems that, even though they've publically admitted that the love triangles were a bad idea and that they were going to stop, they're going to repeat many of the same mistakes. The character cast is ludicrously bloated. Aside from team Avatar and Tenzin's family, we've now got a new airbender kid, Zuko, more of Esna, Desna and Tonraq, a a team of four villains plus the Earth Queen, Lin and her family...and that's just off the top of my head with the limited information I have!
Hey you have the right to feel like you do, I haveted the love triangle too. My guess was either they wanted to try something new and they failed or the producers did a little research markething and forced them to add a love triangle because it's what's in today. I think it's the mix of the two.
The civil war theme had so much potential, like the non bender revolution, but they ended up screwing it, or maybe it's because I'm an adult wanting a cartoon to present and exploit an adult theme. I really liked the way they treated it like, "hey we can't take side it's more complicated than you think Korra" and the whole Nutuck propaganda made me laugh.
The only thing I might disagree with you is the ending. I liked the ending (not the fight by the way) as it seem that it want to become it's own serie's rather the sequel to a good serie.
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I'd assume it's because of Harmonic Convergence, A.K.A the worst thing that has ever happened to the Avatar series. That's probably why Bumi can airbend all of a sudden, which we saw in the trailer.
Seriously, there are a few things I simply cannot forgive the last season for. While the love triangle was obnoxious in the first season, at least the overarching plot was good and the ending, while rushed and solved too many problems, actually felt like a somewhat credible ending; in season two, Korra decides to keep portals open to a world where beings susceptible to negative emotions which can cause them to go on berserker sprees live. Throw in character regression, the most boring villain of all time and a cliché battle between light and dark, and you've got the perfect recipe for an inevitable bad end.
Oh, and giant laser avatar fights with deux ex machina, but I've managed to suppress my memories of that to a certain extent.
Sorry, I shouldn't whine so much, but I really have little faith left in the Korra series after that trainwreck. It also seems that, even though they've publically admitted that the love triangles were a bad idea and that they were going to stop, they're going to repeat many of the same mistakes. The character cast is ludicrously bloated. Aside from team Avatar and Tenzin's family, we've now got a new airbender kid, Zuko, more of Esna, Desna and Tonraq, a a team of four villains plus the Earth Queen, Lin and her family...and that's just off the top of my head with the limited information I have!
Seriously, there are a few things I simply cannot forgive the last season for. While the love triangle was obnoxious in the first season, at least the overarching plot was good and the ending, while rushed and solved too many problems, actually felt like a somewhat credible ending; in season two, Korra decides to keep portals open to a world where beings susceptible to negative emotions which can cause them to go on berserker sprees live. Throw in character regression, the most boring villain of all time and a cliché battle between light and dark, and you've got the perfect recipe for an inevitable bad end.
Oh, and giant laser avatar fights with deux ex machina, but I've managed to suppress my memories of that to a certain extent.
Sorry, I shouldn't whine so much, but I really have little faith left in the Korra series after that trainwreck. It also seems that, even though they've publically admitted that the love triangles were a bad idea and that they were going to stop, they're going to repeat many of the same mistakes. The character cast is ludicrously bloated. Aside from team Avatar and Tenzin's family, we've now got a new airbender kid, Zuko, more of Esna, Desna and Tonraq, a a team of four villains plus the Earth Queen, Lin and her family...and that's just off the top of my head with the limited information I have!
Hey you have the right to feel like you do, I haveted the love triangle too. My guess was either they wanted to try something new and they failed or the producers did a little research markething and forced them to add a love triangle because it's what's in today. I think it's the mix of the two.
The civil war theme had so much potential, like the non bender revolution, but they ended up screwing it, or maybe it's because I'm an adult wanting a cartoon to present and exploit an adult theme. I really liked the way they treated it like, "hey we can't take side it's more complicated than you think Korra" and the whole Nutuck propaganda made me laugh.
The only thing I might disagree with you is the ending. I liked the ending (not the fight by the way) as it seem that it want to become it's own serie's rather the sequel to a good serie.
I would have agreed with you about the ending, if we had been given the slightest clue as to why Korra did what she did. Throughout the entire season, spirits are for the most part violent, stupid, easily manipulated and uncontrolablle while exposed to negative emotions. They're powerful too, so it's not like your Average Joe can handle them. We also know they don't belong, or at least originate from, the human world, so it's not like they had been wronged when Wan closed the gates.
I don't expect what was supposed to be a mini-series be better than its predecessor, which is widely considered as one of, if not THE, best western animated series of all time, and I really liked book 1, save for some questionable decisions by the writers, but book 2 was just pure garbage. What did Team Avatar even do this season? Why did they reintroduce the love triangle? Why did Jinora have to save giant-spirit Korra? What happened to the civil war? Why did Unalaq do what he did? Why did Vaatu do what he did? Why did they decide to turn Korra into a GIANT LASER AVATAR?! And then they finish this nonsense by trying to make it look like Korra is making this profound decision that'll show her character growth (which disappeared between book 1 and 2) when all evidence points to it being a terrible idea. I don't even understand why she decided to keep them open. What does ANYONE gain from having spirits being able to enter the world?
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Probably the one thing that really didn't sit well with me is how bad the CGI stands out now. I know it stood out in previous seasons but here it's really noticeable, especially in the long, drawn-out shots.
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I agree the CGI is really obvious now - like, jarringly so.
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They've also got far too many characters and subplots either already going on or planned, according to the trailer.
Oh, and Zahir's voice is awful.
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Oh and is it me or water became even more OP? And Zuko really know how to force a reference (I wanted to slap my face when it happened). And I really love Bolin and Tenzin's son.
On a personal note I feel this serie need filler episode so they can flesh their character a bit, like The Last airbender did (but that's Nickelodeon's fault.)
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There's no real goal whatsoever in this season. Sure, they're going to round up airbenders, but how many are there and when will they stop? I mean, right now random airbenders are the only thing driving the plot forward as it's the only excuse for Korra to go anywhere.
They have several good ideas, but I'm afraid they're going to waste them all again.
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Also, I think you may be too harsh on Bolin. I think he's a good comic relief, but that's just my opinion. Also, from what I remember Team Aang didn't had a super reason to accompagny him all the way except the fact that they were friend and her needed to go to the north pol... ok never mind I think I answered my own question. But team Korra are precisely just a bunch of friend that go around the world together and Lin is there to ensure her security no?
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I think the major problem of this serie is trying too hard to tie itself with the old one. I was sure after Book 2 (that I considered the turning point of the serie's emancipate itself from The Last Airbender) that now they would focus on the new cast and forget about the old one. Sad I was wrong. By the way I'm still waiting for the reason why those people were chosen to be airbenders. Did they had air nomad ancestry? But it was explained that the nations always lived seperated from each other until the fire war...
Also, I think you may be too harsh on Bolin. I think he's a good comic relief, but that's just my opinion. Also, from what I remember Team Aang didn't had a super reason to accompagny him all the way except the fact that they were friend and her needed to go to the north pol... ok never mind I think I answered my own question. But team Korra are precisely just a bunch of friend that go around the world together and Lin is there to ensure her security no?
Also, I think you may be too harsh on Bolin. I think he's a good comic relief, but that's just my opinion. Also, from what I remember Team Aang didn't had a super reason to accompagny him all the way except the fact that they were friend and her needed to go to the north pol... ok never mind I think I answered my own question. But team Korra are precisely just a bunch of friend that go around the world together and Lin is there to ensure her security no?
Well the ending of book 2 is, without a shadow of a doubt, the single worst thing that has happened in both Avatar shows. It is so bad that I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it, but I've ranted about that too much already.
Maybe we'll find out later, and even if we don't, I don't think I'd mind too much; I'd rather take no particular reason over a bad one. I DO want to know why Zaheer is an airbending master even though he's been in a very small prison cell for 13 years. It's true he knows a lot about the culture, but he couldn't have mastered bending moves without airbending, since they actually require, you know, AIR to work.
No, I'm not too hard on Bolin. Bolin is a pathetic attempt at recapturing the success of Sokka. You said yourself that you think the show tries to hard to tie itself to its predecessor, and Bolin is the worst offender of doing just that. His jokes are never funny, feel completely forced and I don't respect him as a character. He's dead weight and should be treated as such, but instead they think we'd love seeing him get sweet with yet another girl. As if Korra and Esna weren't enough.
Also, you can't compare the situations of the two team Avatars. The first one started out as the Avatar whose entire culture had been wiped out in his absence, and two water tribe youngsters who left their shattered home in order to: save the world, find their father and find a waterbending master. The current team Avatar are a bunch of teenagers who have been professional sportsmen, actors, CEOs and police officers, yet have enough time to accompany the Avatar rounding up random airbenders.
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If you want to continue in the "offending the original team avatar", I assume that Mako is a bad representation of Zuko both psychologycaly and physicaly (there is also that thing, I think he can lightning bend? I don't know I think there was an episode where he did that and never did it again). For me THIS GUY was the worst offender of the show. Not only because of that lovey thingy, but because they, as you said, tried to recreate a popular character, this one, the serious guy. He's stoic, serious seem to have pride (even if I can't see it in Mako) and all the ladies are supposed to fangirl over him. They should had done that to Tenzin, so he could be the serious guy, the moral center of Korra and the character fans could write fanfiction about the why he is like that and how they could change him... For the time management, I never bothered since a lot of show do the same thing. Normaly I'm the type of viewer that never bother over details unless it's overly blatant and in my face.
With all of this, I start to question for who they are doing the show, for the ancient fans of the serie or the newcomers, because with all those reference I would think it's for the ancient fans (who grew up, thus the more "serious theme") but since they need to explain it (that scene with Zuko...urgh) I think the higher ups start to worry about their results. Also Is it me or Zuko is really in shape for a 86 year old man?
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So, is it just me, or has nothing happened yet? There'll be 13 episodes in total, and we've watched seven, and all they've done is establishing what's going on, filled to the brim with unnecessary subplots and forgettable characters like Opel. Also, remember Zuko and the crazy team of super benders that are after Korra? I pretty much forgot they're in this season.
As much as it's bring me pain to admit it, you are right. They mainly focused on character development this season and it's a bit painful, since they hyped those criminals so much and I'm still waiting for a few explanation, like how can someone fire fire (haha) with its mind and how someone can waterbend without arms (yeah I though her hands were bounded but no she just has no arms.) And how those eldery can stay so much in fit (I though about 86 years Zuko and 112 years Bumi and I wish I could get old in the avatar universe).
Random thought: I start to have pity on Jun Lee or whatever the name of Varrick assistant is. (I always hear it as Julie)
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But fear not CR! For Korra has not been cancelled! Instead, and this was tweeted on Brian Konietzko's tumblr, that Legend of Korra will go digital in some way and that we'll learn more at Comic Con.
It's a darn shame but could've been much worse.
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Well it was leaked on a Spanish site way before schedule, was being aired at a bad time (or so I hear), had little advertisement before the third book aired and book two was a for the most part a reeking pile of goo, so I'm not surprised.
Actually, from what I've been reading, it looks like the sole issue here is the advertisers. After the episode leak fiasco happened, all willing parties completely bailed on the show, so Nickelodeon decided to just burn off what they had on hand as fast as possible to maximize revenue.
Say what you will about the quality of the episodes and whatnot, but if Nick had already greenlit a fourth season before the aforementioned leaks occurred, the show had to have at least been doing decently up to that point.
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Well it was leaked on a Spanish site way before schedule, was being aired at a bad time (or so I hear), had little advertisement before the third book aired and book two was a for the most part a reeking pile of goo, so I'm not surprised.
Actually, from what I've been reading, it looks like the sole issue here is the advertisers. After the episode leak fiasco happened, all willing parties completely bailed on the show, so Nickelodeon decided to just burn off what they had on hand as fast as possible to maximize revenue.
Say what you will about the quality of the episodes and whatnot, but if Nick had already greenlit a fourth season before the aforementioned leaks occurred, the show had to have at least been doing decently up to that point.
Wait, isn't The Legend of Korra scheduled to have four seasons or has that changed? Or am I just misunderstanding you?
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However, this is also where he falls short as a villain. We're supposed to care about the "foolishness" of keeping the Spirit World and the Human World separated, even though that is the natural state according to the Wan episodes, and we're never once told why it's such a good idea having those two worlds mingle; apparently the world did okay for the past 10.000 years. Hell if anything we've only been shown how incredibly dangerous most spirits are/can be to most people, even benders and the Avatar itself.
Secondly, having Zaheer appear as some sort of anarchist, while interesting, was done in the least thought-provoking way possible. He took up a few bad leaders as his excuse for wanting a world without borders, and forgets everything that implies, namely that leaders aren't people. As in the real world, there are religious, cultural, lingual and ethnic differences between areas, not to mention differences in land fertility, resources and general geographic situation. From what I've understood, this is no longer a kid show, and you can't simply brush these things aside; otherwise the main villain's motives become shallow and the rest of the cast seems stupid for not questioning the fallacy of its logic.
In short, not only is the audience already skeptic towards the spirit mumbo jumbo, but Zaheer comes across as an idealistic teenager rather than the wise Anti-Avatar he's supposed to be, and that simply does not cut it.
And remember Tonraq, Zuko and Esna & Desna? How about Kai and Bumi being new Airbenders? Bolin and Opal's romance? And the civil unrest in the Earth Kingdom? Yeah, me neither.
Oh, and fuck Bolin, seriously.
Quick edit: this is the second time those books have appeared in someone's drawer. At first I thought it was Equalist propaganda, but now I'm thinking it's foreshadowing something from season 4. Can anybody translate what it says on the front?
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And while Book 2's structure was near-identical to Book 1, Book 3 loaned far too much from The Last Airbender, and it convinced me that the series will always be in its predecessor's shadow. Book 1 could've surpassed even The Last Airbender, but they chose to focus too much on romance and too little on the Equalists and included far too boring characters for it to achieve that goal. The ending also tied itself up too neatly. However, it's still the best Legend of Korra season, in my opinion, having a more interesting villain, a less bloated cast and fresher ideas. Speaking of tying things up too neatly though, I'm not sure I want Korra to be depressed. Fatigued and suffering from her battle and experience, sure, but ending the season with a tear even though she's arguably survived worse with bigger risks? No, and since it'll probably be a major theme in Book 4, one has to wonder just how they'll go about having a show with a crippled, depressed Avatar.
I still want to know about the yellow books we've seen twice now. Once in the police detective's drawers, and once in the drawers of the hotel in the stakeout.
And Bolin is still one of the worst characters I've ever had to put up with. He's flat out boring, kills the tension whenever he opens his mouth and his character hasn't developed at all. Zaheer laughing like a maniac after having learned how to fly and Korra is on the ground poisoned and writhing in agony? Better literally put a sock in his mouth! Fuck him.
Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
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Honestly, after hearing spoilers about Korra's amnesia episode from my bro, I was pretty convinced that the series was going downhill. I'm glad that I decided to give it another chance to see for myself. It's not that bad when you take the episodes together, rather than apart. Nonetheless, the 2nd season was definitely the weakest of the three.
Yet, no matter what, the animation team does this show justice. I cannot count how many times I've admired the choreography of the battles. It's one thing to shoot magic elements from one's hands; it's another to do so in martial style. Obviously, this was a given since the original series, but martial arts, especially those of Chinese origin, never stop entrancing me with how diverse they are. To a casual viewer, it just looks like they're all dancing and waving their arms around, but a closer look shows the amount of detail they put into each movement.
But anyway, thoughts and impressions on the 2nd and 3rd seasons:
Spoiler: TLK, Season 2
Spoiler: TLK, Season 3
This took me way longer than I had anticipated. I should remind myself not to stall on episodes in a series, or I'll be overwhelmed with subjects to talk about.
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Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
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Don't get me wrong, it's a step in the right direction, but it couldn't get worse than Book 2. We still don't know why exactly the portals had to be opened, other than to restore the Air Nation, which Korra didn't know would happen when she made that choice, and that's just one of the wounds left made by Book 2.
By the way, Rubes, you know Chinese, do you know what that pamphlet or book or whatever it is says? The moustache duo in Book 2 has something in their drawer which looks ominous, and the same thing appeared in the hotel room when they were following Ai Wei. I just want to know if it's foreshadowing.
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