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Well, exactly what you'd get if you were rude, but it sure is nice! ♡
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Neptune pondered the Double Slit experiment. His mind was reeling. What could it mean? His mind was going in different places now, though...
Hey speaking of thought experiments, have any of you guys ever heard of the bootstrap paradox?
Some heads nodded in familiarity. Others grimaced in confusion
Well, let's say an old woman gives you a watch. Then, you go back in time fifty years. You meet the old woman when she was a young woman and say "In fifty years, you'll meet me. Give me this watch." You then give her the watch she gave you. Straightforward, right? It's a perfect loop
But where did the watch come from? It doesn't seem to have any discernible origin, does it?
That's the heart of the bootstrap paradox. The scenario makes sense if you accept that there's a paradox. Kind of like the universe. We always say things like "that doesn't make sense" or "that's a paradox" but what if the universe is simply made up of paradoxes? Why does the universe have to have a beginning or origin? Why does that watch?
Hey speaking of thought experiments, have any of you guys ever heard of the bootstrap paradox?
Some heads nodded in familiarity. Others grimaced in confusion
Well, let's say an old woman gives you a watch. Then, you go back in time fifty years. You meet the old woman when she was a young woman and say "In fifty years, you'll meet me. Give me this watch." You then give her the watch she gave you. Straightforward, right? It's a perfect loop
But where did the watch come from? It doesn't seem to have any discernible origin, does it?
That's the heart of the bootstrap paradox. The scenario makes sense if you accept that there's a paradox. Kind of like the universe. We always say things like "that doesn't make sense" or "that's a paradox" but what if the universe is simply made up of paradoxes? Why does the universe have to have a beginning or origin? Why does that watch?
isn't that the "fry's his own grandpa" paradox
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Hey, on the subject of time travel, don't you ever wonder why we don't see tourists from the future walking around here every day? I think there are a few possibilities as to why:
a) Time travel will never be invented -- the pessimist's option.
b) Time travel works totally different from the way we envision it, possibly sending us to a different universe or something.
c) Time travel will only start working from the day the machine is invented -- the current-held theory if my memory is correct.
d) Time travel works retroactively, but there were very strict rules set in place before any time traveling began and nobody has slipped up yet.
e) Future-people really ARE out there, man! They're just not tellin' us. It's a conspiracy!
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It's all interesting to talk about philosophy and all but in both your ideas it doesn't sound nearly as complex. For the watch, it could simply be a case of the grandma would encounter the watch anyway. Taking it back in time would mean there would be two of the same watch in the world is all.
He glanced at Trace.
As for that time-traveller plan...way I see it they could just dress to match the era they are going to. So as not to kick up a fuss that way.
Lucky shrugged. They didn't really have time for this but he was in a lighthearted mood after playing with the pinball table until the room opened.
Though it's time to show hands in any case, before I head on in, did any of y'all find anything in them rooms?
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Here's another example, using VLR. Sigma and Phi realize Akane must be alive so they go back in time and save her. However, they were only able to go back in time because she was saved. So what came first?
Or, let's say the old woman gave you the answer to a riddle that was previously thought to be unsolvable. You go back in time and tell the younger woman the answer. You tell her to tell you the answer in the future, but nobody else. So, who solved the riddle?
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Anyone remember the Berenstein Bears books?They were a series of children's novels started back in the 1960's and, as far as I know, they're still being written today. I didn't pay too much attention to them in my younger days, but I do remember the name quite clearly.
...Which is strange, because apparently it's actually supposed to be "BerenstAin Bears."
Now I know I remember the name having three e's in it, and there's a lot of people out there who remember it that way too. So maybe the name was a typo and it was fixed later on? Nope! If you go back and check the original books, they all have the spelling "Berenstain" on them. Where did "Berenstein" come from, then?
This is commonly known as the Mandela Effect, named after the former president of South Africa, Nelson Mandela. He passed away at the end of 2013, right? Well, a lot of people "know" he died in prison in the 1970's. The same situation applies to a number of celebrities; people remember watching Billy Graham's funeral on television, but as of this writing, he's still alive. There's other weird examples, like the aforementioned Berenstein/Berenstain name "mix-up", even people remembering chartreuse as being a completely different color than it is now.
You could write this off as people's mistaken memories, I suppose, but isn't it odd how so many people would KNOW the same "mistaken" information?
...Oh, right, the voting results. This should be good...Lucky and Jumpfight - Betray
Cesar - Ally
Ami and Neptune - Ally
Doctor Nanjo - Betray
Slezak and Cold - Ally
MrGiggles - Betray
][1]-Jumpfight - 8 points - Blue Pair
[2]-Mr. Giggles - 8 points - Green Solo
[3]-Slezak - 3 points - Red Pair
[4]-Cold52 - 1 point - Blue Solo
[5]-Ami/Geno - 1 point - Blue Pair
[6]-Doctor Nanjo - 6 points - Red Solo
[7]-Pierre - 8 points - Red Pair
[8]-JesusMonroe - 3 points - Green Pair
[9]-Cesar - 3 points - Green Pair
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You think thats funny?
Lucky rubbed the side of his face where Jumpy had pushed him to get the button.
You think it's fun to just cheat this game like that? You don't say a word to me and then jump the button?
Lucky spat on the ground at Jumpy's feet.
Whatever...we're done. You just stay away from me.
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Pierre and Slezak go with Cold through the magenta door
Jumpfight and Ami go with Giggles through the cyan door
Jesus and Cesar go with Nanjo through the yellow door
Option B:
Pierre and Slezak go with Giggles through the yellow door
Jumpfight and Ami go with Nanjo through the magenta door
Jesus and Cesar go with Cold through the cyan door
Option C:
Pierre and Slezak go with Nanjo through the cyan door
Jumpfight and Ami go with Cold through the yellow door
Jesus and Cesar go with Giggles through the magenta door
I'm gonna have to be curt because Nanjo ruined everything
If you're not Zero and want Zero to lose, you're voting Option A
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I'm sorry man, trust in is short supply and I don't quite have it for flimsy ideas especially after a round like that.
Vote: Option B
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Unvote: Option B.
Vote: Option A
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What in the wor...?
Trace's connection to the world had become noisy, like an old analog TV losing reception. He fell out of the AB room. As he approached the ground, he turned his gaze to the results.
No... I'm seeing things. Right?
As he caught himself milliseconds before he reached the ground, he rubbed his eyes with his other hand.
Nope. Results are still the same. Ugh. Pick yourself up, Trace!
His body felt heavy, but he managed to pull himself up off the ground and stand up straight. He realized from where the source of his sudden haziness came from: A stress-related migraine had crept in.
Ow... Anyone else feel like they're out-of-phase with reality, but have no way of tuning ba--? What's go--? Why's everyb--?
Trace couldn't finish his sentences. His mind was racing... or was it everything else that was? He had to calm himself down somehow, but couldn't begin to think of how.
Betray, ally... Ally, betray... Ally, betray... It's a complete shattering of trust...
Through the low hum in his head, he could hear talking. Something about color options? Seems someone's quick to move on. His mind suddenly snapped and a thousand thoughts rained forth.
You having a laugh Neptune? You talk about Option B being stupid, but look at Option A! You'd be put with Doctor Nanjo again. Remember what happened just a second ago!? He betrayed both you and Ami... No, he betrayed YOU! Do you intend to betray him?
I don't care about subtlety anymore. My mind is reeling.
Lucky, Jumpfight, what the heck went on in that booth? One of you has some explaining to do.
And MrGiggles, don't think I haven't forgotten. Now, I'm a caring man so I'm willing to forgive. I can get those points back, but unless you have some hidden agenda, you had no good reason to betray us, so spill it: Why'd you do it?
Trace's mind felt a bit clearer. He tried his best to restart his train of thought and return it to the tracks.
At the same time, Neptune, Option A would put me in a group with people I still trust. I just feel like we need to think this through. That said, I need to clarify this:
If you end up in a group with someone who has 6 or 8 points, YOU MUST BETRAY THEM.
...It's already too late, isn't it?
Trace found a nice place against a wall and slumped to the ground once again.
I should've expected this much. They never make it easy. Give me a second.
Trace procured his notebook and wrote down the options Neptune had recited along with the points each person had:
Option A:
Pierre (8) and Slezak (3) go with Cold (1) through the magenta door
Jumpfight (8) and Ami (1) go with Giggles (8) through the cyan door
Jesus (3) and Cesar (3) go with Nanjo (6) through the yellow door
Option B:
Pierre (8) and Slezak (3) go with Giggles (8) through the yellow door
Jumpfight (8) and Ami (1) go with Nanjo (6) through the magenta door
Jesus (3) and Cesar (3) go with Cold (1) through the cyan door
Option C:
Pierre (8) and Slezak (3) go with Nanjo (6) through the cyan door
Jumpfight (8) and Ami (1) go with Cold (1) through the yellow door
Jesus (3) and Cesar (3) go with Giggles (8) through the magenta door
Just look at those numbers everyone. This is the situation we're in: Every one of these options poses the very real danger that someone will reach 9 points and split. Even all-betraying will only stave off the inevitable unless we roll very specific teams next time.
Trace tore a slip of paper and wrote down his vote. With a defeated motion, he cast it into the pile.
Vote: Option A
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I wasn't quick enough on the draw. Jumpy was dead silent and rigged the ballot without me.
He sighed deeply
I'm on board with your betray plan. After this round things are progressing entirely too fast.
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And MrGiggles, don't think I haven't forgotten. Now, I'm a caring man so I'm willing to forgive. I can get those points back, but unless you have some hidden agenda, you had no good reason to betray us, so spill it: Why'd you do it?
Because I'm an asshat who doesn't care about other people or trust anyone. That's all it is. Also... You're assuming that any of us would actually leave when we hit 9. I mean, not that it matters what I say now, but I won't leave. You guys shouldn't trust me though.
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The long and short of it: You reach 9 points, you leave, you win the game. Screw anyone left behind. That's all there is to it.
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Anyway, my words mean nothing. I've proven that with my actions. So you guys really shouldn't listen to what I say too seriously. Eh, what's the word? "Psych!"?
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This game's not over until someone escapes with 9 or more points, right?
The game's far from over.
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Ironically, I still do think Nanjo is innocent. I just think he's an asshole for betraying me
Nanjo, if your excuse is "I thought you'd betray me", I don't wanna hear it because I know it's bullshit. You betrayed me so you could keep up
I will say it was well-played because I really did trust you. However, your selfishness fucked everything up. Not only that, but you shattered any semblance of trust the group had. People don't wanna ally someone who just got betrayed, nor ally somebody who just betrayed someone
Nanjo, you're going to find it difficult to trust me. "How could somebody who I just betrayed trust me again?" Well, you need to make the decision again and this time you need to choose correctly
And I don't wanna hear any argument from you about what option to choose because unless it's Option A, I don't care
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i haven't been able to do anything almost all day yesterday since a virus messed up my computer and spent all day fixing the issue, as such wasnt able to put my vote up.
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Unvote: Option A
Vote: Option B
Why B?
Option B:
Pierre (8) and Slezak (3) go with Giggles (8) through the yellow door
Jumpfight (8) and Ami (1) go with Nanjo (6) through the magenta door
Jesus (3) and Cesar (3) go with Cold (1) through the cyan door
I forgive MrGiggles, so I don't mind going with him again.
We know Nanjo's going to betray. Jumpfight better betray or Ami will die and Nanjo will win.
Finally, Cold is going to betray or risk dying, unless he makes a promise with Cesar and Neptune to ally. If they break that promise, we'll know what happened.
There we go. Hope nobody's too... salty with this, haha.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
I am salty with that. Option A is literally the last chance any of us have of winning against Zero
doesnt that assume jump and nmrgiggles aren't working together and both ally kinda worries me there
also option a literally puts me in a place where i cant possibly get any points without me betraying slezak/pierre and while pierre could handle the loss slezak would be down to 1 point putting us in a not much better position.
and jm's group likely cant risk allying cause nanjo would just need to betray to get to 9.
sadly in saying this i know options b and c still seem as risky or even more risky as such im in agreement with jm on this
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Pierre (8) and Slezak (3) go with Cold (1) through the magenta door
Jumpfight (8) and Ami (1) go with Giggles (8) through the cyan door
Jesus (3) and Cesar (3) go with Nanjo (6) through the yellow door
Where in this is Zero and why would (s)he be prevented from winning? Or better yet, where in Option B and C is Zero and why are they guaranteed to win if we go with those options?
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Any chance we could get a running tally?
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We are in a really bad situation right now...we can be sure that Zero is close to winning this.
Obviously we should not give any of the players who betrayed any more points...
Something that worries me is that there's a chance we might send both Zero and their assistant in the same team.
If that happens and Zero is a solo this round,we are definitely screwed.
I actually have some suspicions but...I'm not sure about saying them publicly.
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I will explain why Option A is the best in phase 2. It would be a mistake if I explained now and once you guys do get the explanation, you'll see why
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Hey now Neptune, you're starting to act like that Ami girl over there...before she went all comatose on us. Just calm down a little bit, we still got time.
He tipped his hat up and stood up, a fresh resolve in his face.
Last round was a disaster but the next round of betting progresses regardless.
Now, there's more to be talked about. Did folks find anything in their respective rooms back there?
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I understand full well what you mean, get it out of your system. We all get outplayed at one point or another, going all in when the foe has a Royal Flush, but we've still got to finish this game at the least.
Folks have their thoughts, mayhaps give them some credit instead of saying they are outright wrong from the get-go.
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You guys can vote for what you want but you'll probably come to the conclusion of "Huh. These all appear to be extremely shitty options. I don't know how to proceed." So...trust in ol' Jesus and choose Option A
Pierre/Slezak, there is literally not a single option that won't end in a double betray for you guys. However, I can remedy this. Others seem to be in similar situations
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Pierre wrote:
There's a fair bit of unvoting and voting being thrown down.
Any chance we could get a running tally?
Any chance we could get a running tally?
Option A
JM
Pierre
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Option B
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Option C
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I've decided. Been mulling it over and going back and forth, but I'm gonna shuffle my options one last time.
UNVOTE OPTION A
VOTE OPTION B
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