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Oh man just read Cube's topic.
Can't believe that whisper/blackmail in the first round actually worked. I didn't catch him yawn or nothing so I assume he toughed it out.
Can't believe that whisper/blackmail in the first round actually worked. I didn't catch him yawn or nothing so I assume he toughed it out.
It kind of worked...I mean, I was still suspicious of it and all, but it couldn't hurt to try and vote for a possible suspect of being Zero and I assumed whoever said that had figured out lynching was a superior way of killing their target anyway.
Also holy crap your QT doesn't even have the option to show all messages at once, even Gary's does...I'm surprised you didn't end up surpassing some sort of post limit and needed a new topic.
Yeah both benefited from it in the end.
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^That's lame. Where's the chaos, man? You guys really dropped the ball on that one. I'm very disappointed in you >:(
I wished the bomb was real in the end. Had the idea at one point to shoot Maribelle in the car and blow up the mansion or the inside at least once we were clear if you wanted chaos. At the time it felt like there was plenty of chaos.
Geez if only you guys didn't care about the 'truth' so much.
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Pierre wrote:
*Turbo*Marley Fanfiction
I NEVER AUTHORIZED THIS
Don't be so hard on yourself, SC, we all had a first game and you really did make things exciting
besides, better to be the crazy guy everyone's scared of than the guy who solved the toilet puzzle and broke a couple knives
I'll have more thoughts to add in probably the next day or so, between work and other obligations I don't have the time to catch up on the QTs or write what I'd like
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And speaking of which, the pepper spray I had was actually one-use only, but I specifically didn't mention this and held onto the container as a bluff
I could also reply to whispers for free, but... this was totally useless. Since I never got a chance to use this power at all, I nagged KamiPanda into giving me a free whisper during the final lynching phase, but even then it didn't go through because it was pointless in the end (I was going to ask Mari to turn off the dead man's switch after all the votes were in)
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I had a 75% chance to solve puzzles on luck.
Also I had a free give or whisper action.
Wait how did you fail to steal from me in the pub with a power like that?
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I could also kill someone without a weapon, but obviously I never used that power
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darn it pierre, we could've spent the entire game gossiping about everyone
I have a faint recollection this refers to my QT xD but a lot happened in my QT. Guessing it was to do with the Uplink. Ahh you mean the powers.
Alas it was not to be.
I figured Turbo would have ultra muscle power. It's why I was pretty worried he'd pegged me and blamed me for the past.
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Here's everyone's special abilities:
Raster:
- Conman: Can use one free Whisper or Give per round in addition to the usual Action.
- Lucky: Can attempt to guess any puzzle solution, with a staggering 75% accuracy.
Turbo:
- Bodyguard: Can Watch Back in addition to the usual Action for the round.
- Weapons Training
- Hercule: Is very strong (and can kill someone without the use of a weapon).
Sally:
- Gossip: If Whispered to, can Whisper back for free in addition to the usual Action for the round.
- Jittery: Can counter an Open Kill due to oversensitive reaction speeds
Jen:
- Observant: Can Watch a player for free in addition to the usual Action for the round.
- Weapons Training.
Marigold:
- Focused: Can Watch a player without the usual distraction penalty.
Dack:
- Thief: Can Steal from a player even if that player is Watching them, but not if they're Watching their Back.
- Weapons Training.
Fauna:
- Paranoid: Can Watch Back without the usual distraction penalty.
Takeru:
-Backup- I've got a hidden knife concealed in one of my combat boots.
-Weapons Training
-Harrowed – This allows me to literally dodge a bullet. If anyone tries to kill me with a gun, even covertly, I can avoid the first shot.
Iota:
- Mother's Love: Starts the game with a free Protection Token.
- Possessed: Daniel can swap consciousness with him whenever he wants to deliberately spread misinformation.
That's all of them. Given to me by KamiPanda after I died for real
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Oh, and observing people, which I never actually used.
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Iota:
- Mother's Love: Starts the game with a free Protection Token.
- Mother's Love: Starts the game with a free Protection Token.
omg I love the flavor of this one
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According to Iota, it even had some words engraved on it.
Stay Strong
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Shame Watch got nerfed so its not meta.
Also as a bonus to my lucky ability, passing on a guess means I beat the time limit on those 'race' puzzles.
And yeah mothers love was pretty sweet.
Kinda sad Iota didn't have another backup considering the deck was stacked against him.
Edit: Working my way through Gary's QTs makes Marley feel like Inspector Gadget on Dr Claw's TV monitors. So many promises of "I'll get you yet Raster! Next time!". Kinda feel bad that revelation didn't go down heavily for you xD
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Btw this isn't really related to the game but I'd like to thank KamiPanda for introducing me to the best Digital Roots remix. I personally feel it's an underremixed track so seeing this really made me feel happy <3
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Is that it?
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Also did you shame me in EVERYONES post about the actual date as an "old drunkard" T_T
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Anyway time to write some disgusting Sally x Jen fics. Yumyum
i do not approve of this
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Pierre wrote:
Immensely sad that my comment about Turbos "dead-end" job providing a lot of "security" went right over his head.
Yeah I'm sad about my declining mental acuity too
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Datamatt wrote:
Southern Corn wrote:
Anyway time to write some disgusting Sally x Jen fics. Yumyum
i do not approve of this
Well fine then.I actually want to write my own ending for Takeru now
Here goes
Spoiler: Eating the Past by toomuchbathroomcorn2009
Hehehehehehehehhehe. I regret nothing.
Man, if only me and Cube were friends, amirite? We could've been called Dack and Jackster and everything!
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that's way better, thank you
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That reminds me (somehow) of an interesting piece of trivia, though. As part of the plan to make sure none of the clones' bodies felt any different to their originals, they had to be given chemicals that stopped them from feeling anything romantically for each other. Otherwise some of the players might feel a strange connection to someone they've never met before :p But the original bodies didn't have that, and it wasn't necessary for the Admins, so technically they can feel love!
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They're crazy enough.
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Why did this game end up like this? XD I'm sure it never happened during the previous ones, barring Bishop and Persephone's actual love which ended in tragedy.
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...how the hell did we end up here again?
Anyway, I'm glad there's not too many forced romances in these things because a couple of characters would have to act all lovey dovey to each other no matter what.
Actually you could make it interesting by putting something in the game that'll make them dispute or something. Sounds pretty juicy to me.
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People had win conditions such as "X must die" or "X must survive" along the way. The problem is then you need to account for balancing issues and other players not messing up.
For example Bishop (?) in the last game had to keep Persephone alive to win and he did right up until the final puzzle zone where Persephone was AFK for so long that she failed all the puzzles and died despite Bishops efforts, effectively making him 'lose' for something he had no control over.
You also need to provide enough opportunities to kill (though this game had plenty) if you are going to introduce conditions like that.
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Pierre wrote:
I'll admit I didn't expect to like Marigolds chat log but watching Nanjo freak out paranoid over whether or not they are Zero was pretty good.
What's that supposed to mean? But yeah, it's part of why I acted so erratically. Obviously, it was pretty concerning to know I had no memory of years I had lived through.
I mean, I guess looking back I was just thoroughly paranoid in general to an extreme degree. Like honestly, I should've figured everyone felt pretty comfortable for a reason, because we pretty much had made it past the part with actual conflict, but I couldn't shake the idea that there was some bigger bad somewhere, and sorry about that suspicion falling on you (and Datamatt lol, who was basically only suspicious due to some really circumstantial stuff which is also silly that I didn't even stop to think about it).
Also, I feel like a variety of win conditions are pretty important to a Nonary Game, since it really increases the distrust even when you're confident they're not Zero because their win condition might still conflict with yours. I guess by the same token though, it makes balancing the game very tough.
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A lot of times in these games I feel like I have no clue what's going on with the plot and I'd like to dig deeper for information because it seems interesting, but then I feel like if I poke around too much people will start getting suspicious and that puts my chances of escape in jeopardy, so it's better to just keep my head down and move along if something isn't vital to know
On a related note I have to confess I more or less gave up on the puzzles by the end of the game. I'd only managed to solve the one at the very beginning; every other one I either couldn't figure out or someone else had beaten me to it (using Watch My Back might as well have equated to "you forfeit the right to solve anything this phase") and in the last room someone needed to solve them or we'd all be stuck so I figured someone would do it. I realize that's a shitty attitude to have, and I won't make excuses for it, I'm just saying that's how I felt and I'm sorry.
Part of the reasoning behind the final vote was related to my poor attitude too. I felt like I hadn't accomplished anything at all for the entire game, just more or less gone along with the group, and here at the end I'd be basically walking into a free win. I figured going against the voting plan would be a nice character moment (although it was a bit clumsy like pretty much every post I've ever made) and it wouldn't really change the overall idea of distributing votes carefully so everyone could get out, but at least it'd make me feel like I'd done SOMETHING to even somewhat deserve a victory. I really wasn't expecting everything to descend into chaos the way it did, but, uh, at least it worked out okay in the end...?
Most of my critiques have already been covered by others; the length of the game, the three lives system putting a bit of a damper on the tension, but I'll say I really liked the story, the puzzles, all the work that went into the rooms, and everyone's unique powers seemed fairly well-balanced.
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Anyway, for the Nonary Game that I did I think i focused too much on the story (even giving one player basically the ability to lead others in the story, too OP) but that ended up making it easy to write the characters and diverse win conditions. The story wouldn't mean anything to BadPlayer without his win condition incentive, and same with Doctor Nanjo's character I believe. I actually ended up cancelling the (5th?) Nonary Game because I had really cool ideas for like 3 characters but the rest just wasn't working together and I knew that it would end up falling apart if I didn't patch it up but I didn't have the time to invest to do that
I do think another good idea is to have the smaller in-game mysteries like a mysterious corpse from an extra player that was killed by someone in the group. That gives incentive to not share your backstory too much as well
Though I guess the lack of win conditions freed up much more for me in the game too I guess? When I was informed that Franzise probably didn't have a formal win condition I was just like "huh neither do I, I guess she could've voted for herself". It let me get into my role more and give my character a better ending when I didn't have to be concerned with winning. I actually am hesitating to put win conditions in the Danganronpa game, as I think there's least fear in taking the hard way out and becoming a killer. And the only real "loss" then becomes not being able to play the game anymore or not getting the last laugh. It kind of does sound better now that I write it out but I do think enough players would probably be interested enough in becoming killers anyway?
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I didn't solve one puzzle in all the three rooms I went into :P I did get a lot of tools in the garage though.
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Southern Corn wrote:
So will it be like the first two CRNGs? Will it have RPing and proper characters and all?
It'll definitely still have RPing and characters and all that. Think of it like my previous game, but with a more solid mechanical foundation. Though it won't be so puzzle-heavy, if it has puzzles at all.
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Also, I feel like a variety of win conditions are pretty important to a Nonary Game, since it really increases the distrust even when you're confident they're not Zero because their win condition might still conflict with yours. I guess by the same token though, it makes balancing the game very tough.
That makes sense. This kind of thing is why I'm trying to build from the mechanics first this time around.
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Separate win conditions also give you more incentive to be active and to dig deeper into the story if the games continue to go in that direction
A lot of times in these games I feel like I have no clue what's going on with the plot and I'd like to dig deeper for information because it seems interesting, but then I feel like if I poke around too much people will start getting suspicious and that puts my chances of escape in jeopardy, so it's better to just keep my head down and move along if something isn't vital to know
A lot of times in these games I feel like I have no clue what's going on with the plot and I'd like to dig deeper for information because it seems interesting, but then I feel like if I poke around too much people will start getting suspicious and that puts my chances of escape in jeopardy, so it's better to just keep my head down and move along if something isn't vital to know
Hmm... I'm uncertain what to say about this. I'd like it if all the players felt like they were free to dig into the story without it affecting their ability to win, but I could see why that might be difficult.
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
On a related note I have to confess I more or less gave up on the puzzles by the end of the game. I'd only managed to solve the one at the very beginning; every other one I either couldn't figure out or someone else had beaten me to it (using Watch My Back might as well have equated to "you forfeit the right to solve anything this phase") and in the last room someone needed to solve them or we'd all be stuck so I figured someone would do it. I realize that's a shitty attitude to have, and I won't make excuses for it, I'm just saying that's how I felt and I'm sorry.
Speaking of which, how did everyone find the puzzles? I couldn't be certain what level to target them at, but I did at least make sure I could finish them. They were a mix of puzzles I found online and puzzles I made myself, the latter likely being a bit clunkier, but hopefully that didn't break away from the experience.
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Anyway, for the Nonary Game that I did I think i focused too much on the story (even giving one player basically the ability to lead others in the story, too OP) but that ended up making it easy to write the characters and diverse win conditions. The story wouldn't mean anything to BadPlayer without his win condition incentive, and same with Doctor Nanjo's character I believe. I actually ended up cancelling the (5th?) Nonary Game because I had really cool ideas for like 3 characters but the rest just wasn't working together and I knew that it would end up falling apart if I didn't patch it up but I didn't have the time to invest to do that
Mine was also built up from the story, but the difference was that the characters themselves for the most part weren't tied into it. Well, I mean, they were sort of tied into it, but not enough to have personal motivations within the game. It sounds like that definitely showed in the result.
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I do think another good idea is to have the smaller in-game mysteries like a mysterious corpse from an extra player that was killed by someone in the group. That gives incentive to not share your backstory too much as well
I'll keep that in mind. That does make sense.
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I actually am hesitating to put win conditions in the Danganronpa game, as I think there's least fear in taking the hard way out and becoming a killer. And the only real "loss" then becomes not being able to play the game anymore or not getting the last laugh. It kind of does sound better now that I write it out but I do think enough players would probably be interested enough in becoming killers anyway?
Personally I'm absolutely planning not to kill too early on. While I want to win, I also really want to involve myself in the trials. Coming up with a murder plan sounds like a lot of fun, but so does making deductions to unravel someone else's.
Anyway, thanks for all the feedback so far. It's definitely been helpful, it's let me see the areas I may be focusing on too much at the detriment of more core ideas that make the games interesting.
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