Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Ouklae wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
No, it isn't. It's a terrible reason.
Hey, hey now, she is annoying after the first game...especially when Pearls was added. The two of them just drove me nuts. Her dying in that way would be a great storey-que end to her character.
Also, imagine what angle that would bring to the game? Maya would say some sort of words over the radio to comfort Phoenix, saying she's proud of him and that truth is always worth dying for. He would then take those words to heart...understanding that, for Maya, he will devote his life in continuing to fight for what she died for: the discovering the truth to save innocent lives.
That forever she and Mia, reunited now, will always be by his side on his quest.
*sigh*
That would be my ideal ending...of course with Miles comforting him....as they connect and....*drives off into yaoi-land*
I didn't say it wouldn't generate a great deal of drama. You are saying you want Maya dead "merely because" you "don't like" her, and that you find her "annoying." These are terrible reasons to have Maya killed off, regardless of how much justification is applied here.
Besides, with Maya dead, there would be no Trials and Tribulations. Even if Phoenix somehow found the strength to carry on (which I seriously doubt; he would lose faith in the practice for more than one reason), there would be no need to explore the stories of Dahlia and Iris or their connection to Morgan and Pearl, because there would be no need to murder a girl who was already dead.
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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The good ol' days I went to christian education, we had something similar (less epic, but still the same).
If you choose "Guilty", you can think in a more huge way in the present and in the future and taht woudl mean that justice and truth is more important than anything else. If you choose "Not Guilty", you're irrational, you can just throw the work and the Superior Good just for one person's security (or more people you love, it's the same).
Said that... I chose "Not Guilty". Yes, for me friends are more important than justice.
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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He had to be punished for the things he did.
Also, I think that it's what Phoenix would do. After all, I understood what Edgey said before, about what he discovered thanks to Phoenix: the aim of lawyers and prosecutors is to find the truth, not to obtain their verdicts no matter what.
I hope this is clear xD I'm not very fluent in English but I try my best LOL
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Quote:
If you choose "Not Guilty", you're irrational, you can just throw the work and the Superior Good just for one person's security (or more people you love, it's the same)
Or hyperrational. I picked Not Guilty because I believed that a defense attorney has no right to plead Guilty when their client demands a Not Guilty. If this happened in a real case, Phoenix would have to just say, "Your Honor, I'm afraid I can't represent this client anymore. He will need to find an unbiased public defender." Of course, that's not an option here, but the principle is this:
* If defense attorneys are told to fight for the truth, and not for their clients, then they become judge, jury, and executioner. If your attorney thinks you're guilty... you are ruined, even if you're innocent.
In this particular case, the client confessed to Phoenix, which means he can't represent him with a Not Guilty, but can't represent him with a Guilty plea, either. But if Phoenix pleads Not Guilty, he can buy Maya some time, and then try to prove Adrian's innocence. (He could do this in a few ways; the simplest is that Adrian wouldn't have withdrawn the massive amount of cash necessary to pay de Killer, whereas Engarde would have that on his record.)
Furthermore, Engarde could potentially be charged in Maya's kidnapping, so he wouldn't get off scot-free. He might. But it's not a certainty.
Rational weighing of the outcomes:
GUILTY: Maya almost certainly dies. Engarde is punished. Adrian probably lives, unless de Killer decides to go for the throat and force a false confession out of her.
NOT GUILTY: Maya probably lives, if our understanding of de Killer is correct. Engarde lives. Adrian dies if evidence can't be found to clear her before her trial.
So, even if we ignore Phoenix's duty to defend his scumbag client (and Mia's subtle urging to do so)... do we choose immediate certain death for Maya, or probable future death for Adrian?
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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I mean damn, kidnapping your business partner isn't cricket.
Pride is just another trap that hinders us in our lives; That said one must have pride to be effective on the job.
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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In the end, I chose guilty. I can't remember all of my logic that lead up to that final decision, but I seriously weighed all the options (feverishly, to boot). A lot of what other people's analysis' have been posted on here are what actually went though my head. Unlike others, I do my best to AVOID walkthroughs, so when this came up, I had to stop and think. I had no idea what would happen if I made the "wrong choice" but I tried anyway.
In the end, I figured, if I made a mistake, I would just turn it off and try the other... (LAME, yeah) But if this had somehow been a real court, and our real laws were actually Ace Atorneian laws... I think I would have walked out of the court room, or something.. It would have been too hard. In fact, I may have walked out on him as soon as I knew everything.. except that he had specifically requested ME, Phoenix Wright, to defend him.. so I guess if I walked away... Maya would also have died...
It's a tough call to make no matter which direction you face~
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Apollo72 wrote:
:guilty:
Because if you think about it...
GUILTY = Maya dead (bad) + Enguarde in jail (good) + Adrian free (good)
but
NOT GUILTY = Adrian in jail (bad) + Enguarde free (bad) + Maya alive (good)
therefore
(bad)+(good)+(good)>(bad)+(bad)+(good)
Did that make sense?
GUILTY = Maya dead (bad) + Enguarde in jail (good) + Adrian free (good)
but
NOT GUILTY = Adrian in jail (bad) + Enguarde free (bad) + Maya alive (good)
therefore
(bad)+(good)+(good)>(bad)+(bad)+(good)
Did that make sense?
I went with this sort of thought process. So obviously, I chose the 'Guilty' verdict. If I had to make this decision in real life...I'm not sure what I'd do.
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Essa_L_M.E wrote:
What ever you choose, Mia just makes you feel guilty for choosing it at the end anyway :\
I didn't really feel guilty for choosing what I did. I felt like... "well, that makes sense." and thought about the real-world implications such a matter would hold. Then Edgey came over and I forgot what I was thinking...
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee dieeeee
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
justice is always wright ;)
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Detective Daryan wrote:
I picked Not guilty. I like scum-bags like Matt. He IS my second fav char. (Along with Kristoph Dahlia Karma Gant Luke Furio White FrAnk...Maybe not Frank. Richard Mimi Yogi. Alita, Only scum-bags! YAY!)
I can see that we think very diffrently
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
. . .A kitty cat emo who cuts humself
LOL, awesome extrapolation of the thread title, Bravo!
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Franziska's Whip wrote:
GUILTY. I hate Matt, and Maya said it was what she wanted, so whatever. Plus my oh-so-wonderful friend spoiled me and told me it didn't matter. Thanks a bunch. 
But I'm looking forward to my sister's reaction. "OHMYGODBECCAWHATAMISUPPOSEDTODOAAAH!"
But I'm looking forward to my sister's reaction. "OHMYGODBECCAWHATAMISUPPOSEDTODOAAAH!"
Lol lady, you put a name out there! great. now people are going to stalk you.
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My conscience got the better of me
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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walterlikeschips wrote:
Franziska's Whip wrote:
GUILTY. I hate Matt, and Maya said it was what she wanted, so whatever. Plus my oh-so-wonderful friend spoiled me and told me it didn't matter. Thanks a bunch.
But I'm looking forward to my sister's reaction. "OHMYGODBECCAWHATAMISUPPOSEDTODOAAAH!"
But I'm looking forward to my sister's reaction. "OHMYGODBECCAWHATAMISUPPOSEDTODOAAAH!"
Lol lady, you put a name out there! great. now people are going to stalk you.
Amazing, I didn't realize there was only one person in the world who goes by the name of Becca.
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Adrian in black wrote:
walterlikeschips wrote:
Franziska's Whip wrote:
GUILTY. I hate Matt, and Maya said it was what she wanted, so whatever. Plus my oh-so-wonderful friend spoiled me and told me it didn't matter. Thanks a bunch.
But I'm looking forward to my sister's reaction. "OHMYGODBECCAWHATAMISUPPOSEDTODOAAAH!"
But I'm looking forward to my sister's reaction. "OHMYGODBECCAWHATAMISUPPOSEDTODOAAAH!"
Lol lady, you put a name out there! great. now people are going to stalk you.
Amazing, I didn't realize there was only one person in the world who goes by the name of Becca.
It is rather uncommon, to be fair.
Pride is just another trap that hinders us in our lives; That said one must have pride to be effective on the job.
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Joseph von Brewster wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
walterlikeschips wrote:
Lol lady, you put a name out there! great. now people are going to stalk you.
Amazing, I didn't realize there was only one person in the world who goes by the name of Becca.
It is rather uncommon, to be fair.
'Becca' as an official name might be, but that doesn't mean a few of the 665,433 people named Rebecca don't go by it as a nickname.
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Quote:
'Becca' as an official name might be, but that doesn't mean a few of the 665,433 people named Rebecca don't go by it as a nickname.
Ouch, you got me there.
Pride is just another trap that hinders us in our lives; That said one must have pride to be effective on the job.
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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I said "Hmm...save maya, or save my record. Tough choice... Hrmm... OWAIT I beat t&t before this I know mayas o.k. GUILTY! GUILTY DAMN YUH!"
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My first choice was "Not Guilty" in order to save Maya. it did not occur to me at the time that Maya preferred the guilty verdict in the heat of the moment. It hadn't occurred me that Andrew would probably be sentenced so I only saw Maya as the innocent getting hurt, and I believe that it's better to let the guilty go free than an innocent person getting killed. If I considered those two options, I might have chosen differently. Given what I know now, I think I would have switched the verdict to "Guilty" since an innocent person would have been hurt either way.
However, my second choice was "Guilty" because that was the verdict Engarde deserved, and this was a decision I could make without having Maya or Andrews' life on the line.
From my brief skim of the topic, it doesn't seem like many people chose what I chose.
"What the hell is that wriggling piece of plywood!?"
"Old windbag sure has balls... er, you know what I mean."
"The miracle never happen."
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"Old windbag sure has balls... er, you know what I mean."
"The miracle never happen."
"It was a dream, in the dream I was an apple, and I was being peeled!"
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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But I choosed "Guilty", because I remembered
saying that she want Matt see convicted, though it means she have to die. I said to myself, if want it this way, then I will do that!(sorry for my english
)
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1.)Being the client of De Killer. He is just a half of the true killer of Juan Corrida. Which makes him Guilty even if I am a lawyer who defends clients. I need to know the truth and proclaim the whole and utter truth
2.)Kidnapping, spying, blackmailing, lying about his true form, ordering a hit on Franziska. These things really describe someone who would do ANYTHING to be free of any mistake and would do ANYTHING to persuade for an acquittal
3.)It takes a single sacrifice to save plenty. Even though Maya "would've" died. Engarde will be brought to justice and Adrian will be free of anything
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I did feel bad for Maya as i made the choice, but i believed justice should run its course in regards to Matt Engarde. He deserved to be found guilty!
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
I'm a Zebra, betch~
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I chose not guilty. and then my DS died. xD
I'm a Zebra, betch, and don't you forget it~
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Plus, I totally hated Engarde. He was such a cruel man, I wanted him gone forever. And Maya told Phoenix to choose guilty, of course.
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Apollo72 wrote:
:guilty:
Because if you think about it...
GUILTY = Maya dead (bad) + Enguarde in jail (good) + Adrian free (good)
but
NOT GUILTY = Adrian in jail (bad) + Enguarde free (bad) + Maya alive (good)
therefore
(bad)+(good)+(good)>(bad)+(bad)+(good)
Did that make sense?
GUILTY = Maya dead (bad) + Enguarde in jail (good) + Adrian free (good)
but
NOT GUILTY = Adrian in jail (bad) + Enguarde free (bad) + Maya alive (good)
therefore
(bad)+(good)+(good)>(bad)+(bad)+(good)
Did that make sense?
Or... GUILTY = Maya Dead (-12 points) + Engarde in jail (+3 points) + Adrian free (+3 points)
NOT GUILTY = Maya probably alive (+10 points) + Engarde free (-3 points) + Adrian probably jailed (-2 points)
I mean, is it just me, or is death much more serious than being jailed?
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
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Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...
Just a random passerby
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I chose Guilty both times. Even though I like Matt, I made my desicion as if I were Phoenix.
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