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Author: | Wooster [ Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:44 pm ] |
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I've heard of Wooster College, but imagine my surprise when I discovered a Wooster's Pizza restaurant a town or so over from where I live? |
Author: | L~A [ Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:19 pm ] |
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Ok, I'm in Day 9 (I think!), and I've found something that quite irritated me... not something big, but I found the following passage very tedious... Spoiler: I dunno if the writers were really so uninspired for this part... hopefully, I'm (almost?) done with it, so I don't mind too much anymore... especially since the story is becoming even more interesting Spoiler: Anyway, I really praise the writers for keeping me interested, even though the plot can get quite a bit predictable at some point... but they always manage to surprise you in the end, hopefully! I really want to get to the bottom of this affair, and I'm pretty sure the writers have got some nice revelations up in their sleeve. |
Author: | L~A [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:38 pm ] |
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So, I've finally finished the game, and it's high time for me to give my final thoughts on the game. I won't repeat what I've already said though (about the art style, the music, etc...), except that everything keeps on getting better as days go on. It took me 13h to complete it, though I would have finished it under 13h, if I hadn't been stuck at the freaking puzzle Spoiler: Too bad the game wasn't as long as HD though. The music gets really nice towards the end, and some tracks really conveys the sense of urgency and tension of some situations wonderfully well. Anyway, I would really recommend the game to anybody who loves adventure games, but please, don't start making comparisons with HD, you really wouldn't do Again any justice at all. Again is not perfect, but it's a great game nonetheless. Not the GOTY, but still a game you'll probably enjoy, just like I did. My favorite characters are definitely: - J (when he's angry... like after the big revelation of Day 10, or 11. I love when he starts shouting! - Maureen... I mean, her song theme is really nice, comforting and soothing. And come on, she's so nice, always cheerful, and her smile is simply wonderful. And man, she's really useful. Not a certain snackoo-eating detective I know :p - Lane, when he's being a jerk. - Roger... I mean, this guy is just made of plain awesomeness. Not only he's one of the most useful character of the game (with Maureen, and Hugo), but his "sprites" are definitely my favorites in the game. Wooster, if you're ever gonna rip Again's content, please rip Roger's sprites first, I want some of his as my next avatars :p I'm gonna write to Capcom, and force them to swap Larry Butz with Roger in GS5/GK2! As for the ending, Spoiler: Anyway, the story really gets better and better. I had quite a few ZOMGGGFFFLRRRZORGL!!!! moments, Spoiler: I'll probably replay this game in the future, though I don't know when exactly. Probably after Last Window, if it ever come out in the US/EU. And oh, I finally got an answer for the questions I had about this game. Yep, Cing really did develop the whole game, Tecmo just gave the money to produce it, and did no more. The story wasn't written by Rika Suzuki (HD, Another Code: R and LW), though she did supervise the whole thing. And Satoshi Okubo may not have composed the music, the composers nonetheless did a good job with the soundtrack. And I compared the game, with the very first screens of the game... my god! What a change! Actually, I'm pretty sure they did a complete reboot in late 2008, which explains why the game was delayed until 2010. And frankly, that wasn't a bad idea at all. The final product may not be perfect, it's much much better as it is right now. If Again turned out to be Cing's last game in the US/EU, I could say that even if they didn't get to leave with a MEGA-BOOOOMABAGABOOOM-BAMBAMABAM, at least they've given their most loyal fans a pretty nice game I really enjoyed playing. But of course, I want LW, so please NOE, and NOA, please localise the game for us! So long, Cing... |
Author: | Jesswee [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:49 pm ] |
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I have a new theory about the cliffhanger. Spoiler: :D? :D? |
Author: | Wooster [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:50 pm ] |
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Alrighty L~A, after college is over, and after I've had my fun poking around in Another Code: R, I'll take a stab at looking for DS ripping items. Honestly, I may have been looking into DS ripping tools anways. I don't think there's a good collection of Dusk or Trace Memory Sprites at all. And Again isn't popular enough for the general fandom to do it. It's up to us. But, if what Defufuf(?) has said holds any weight, then ripping animations out of the game would likely be beyond my skill set. Animated sprites tend to be compressed, and without something that can decompress for me, I'd be basically posting a jigsaw puzzle, Might have an easier time getting the backgrounds though. Again no promises. ... MAN, now I can't use the word 'again' without thinking of Again. CiNNNNNNG! (Shakes fist) |
Author: | L~A [ Sat May 01, 2010 7:57 am ] |
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Well, I was hoping that, maybe you could find some 'picture' of the characters, not necessarily their 'sprites' (I understand it may be a bit too difficult for you, and I'm not gonna ask for the impossible). I checked on Google, there wasn't a single screenshot of Roger at all. Grr. Hope you can find some backgrounds.;; which makes me wonder, where did they take all those pictures for the background? I think the University is actually in Japan, but as for the rest... one that particularly puzzle me is the one with 'Farmacia' in it... why in Spanish? And yeah, I agree. Haven't seen much HD or TM sprites at all, except a few ones as avatars (mainly HD). Quote: ... MAN, now I can't use the word 'again' without thinking of Again. CiNNNNNNG! (Shakes fist) Ha ha, I know what you mean. :D *** @Jesswee: Spoiler: |
Author: | Wooster [ Sat May 01, 2010 3:34 pm ] |
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The hotel dusk sprites were stolen from the official websites; pre-animated and all for us. There's not a rip on the net to my knowledge. |
Author: | rydus65 [ Wed May 05, 2010 1:28 am ] |
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I liked this game. It had a good story. Some of the twists were well done. Spoiler: Providence Maybe this is just me, but I HATED having to open the cabinet door in the 1st crime scene. It was extremely annoying. |
Author: | Cravat of Doom [ Fri May 07, 2010 1:00 pm ] |
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I'd like to take this moment to say that: Spoiler: END! Do not read if you haven't finished the game yet. Spoiler: Final scenes Spoiler: Music ts;dr (too spoilery; didn't read): I loved this game. And I agree with the rest of you, basically every time I say "again", I think of this game. Pretty sad... And I can finally say Edward again (AGAIN! LOL!) without thinking of Twilight. Thank you, Cing. |
Author: | backlot [ Fri May 07, 2010 2:46 pm ] |
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Jesswee wrote: I have a new theory about the cliffhanger. Spoiler: :D? :D? Spoiler: |
Author: | Jesswee [ Sat May 08, 2010 1:56 am ] |
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Oh damn, I forgot about that limitation on his visions. Everything else I was ready to just hand wave xD |
Author: | Phoenix Soul [ Fri May 14, 2010 7:40 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Please don't read unless you've completed. |
Author: | L~A [ Fri May 14, 2010 9:40 pm ] |
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Hum, that's a possibility, indeed. Though I personally think he would have tried to Spoiler: though, the two theories don't necessarily exclude each other. Guess we'll never know unfortunately. |
Author: | TheRedPriest [ Mon May 17, 2010 3:36 pm ] |
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Bought the game about two weeks ago and just got to it. Reading over the thread thus far, it seems my impressions are pretty close to Woosters. I can only assume that most reviewers didn't play it all, weren't adventure gamers or have some form of learning disability. While probably the "worst" of Cing's games, I thoroughly enjoyed AGAIN all in all. Though I wish I'd checked in earlier to see someone had done a rip of the music, it would have saved me the effort of recording it myself via the DS. Though it does look like it's via the DS sound format, which I've noticed doesn't sound quite right for some tracks on some games so maybe I'll still finish my own recordings... If we don't get Last Window, AGAIN will sure be a bittersweet swan song for Cing over here... |
Author: | Virus973 [ Fri May 21, 2010 12:32 am ] |
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Glad to see people enjoyed the game. I finished it a few weeks ago. Oh that piano puzzle.. I got it just by trying different permutations of the keys... (knew which ones to hit, but not the order ) I just hate it when people slam the game because "it's not hotel dusk".. ...well duh! It's NOT hotel dusk it's AGAIN! The art style is not my favorite, but I feel it's perfect for this kind of game (many police dramas use a style like that, no?) And the music is good too The game reminds me so much of J.B. Harold's Murder Club for the Turbo Graphx CD-ROM (I still can't believe we didn't get the remake for it they made for the DS) |
Author: | L~A [ Fri May 21, 2010 11:49 am ] |
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I really wonder why people had so much problems with the piano puzzle? I personally didn't find it really difficult... at least, it became pretty obvious (and rather quickly, I should add), that the solution was Spoiler: Personally, I found the answer on my second try, but only after I had done what is in the spoiler tags :p I had much more trouble with the grate thingy Spoiler: Man, what a dumb puzzle xD |
Author: | TheRedPriest [ Sat May 22, 2010 4:25 am ] |
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Ok, I've played through the game 3 times now and I'm still missing 2 pieces of music that were in Bolt Storm's 2DS rip, specifically AGAIN2-001a and AGAIN2-000a. Does anyone recall where these play? I like the game and it's music, but I don't think I can play through it a 4th time straight... Could those tracks be unused music that is still in the code but didn't make it into the game? Any assistance on this would be most appreciated. Even missing those I have 4 more tracks than the 2DS rip, and if I add in the cutscenes and visions I have close to 50... But those two missing tracks are driving me insane. |
Author: | L~A [ Sat May 22, 2010 7:46 am ] |
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I'm pretty sure the second track you're mentioning IS in the game, though I can't say where exactly, I don't remember precisely... Yet, I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that song at one point in the game. As for the first one, I'm not as sure as for the second one, but I'm pretty sure it's also used in the game. Unfortunately, I don't remember when you hear it. Sorry for not being of much help... Wooster and me have been trying to find some names for the tracks, and I can tell you it's not very easy with some of the songs being used only once in the game, and you can't remember when exactly... especially with the tracks you simply don't remember ever hearing in the game :p |
Author: | TheRedPriest [ Sat May 22, 2010 4:54 pm ] |
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That's me. I swear the 2nd one playes in the game, and the 1st one seems real familiar too... I may just use the 2DS files to grab those two for the time being. It's not like I can't go back in and grab them if we can find where they are... What have you guys come up for with names? I'm not real happy with most of what I've used for them myself. |
Author: | TheRedPriest [ Sun May 23, 2010 2:50 am ] |
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Ok, so the final preliminary recording and editing are done, and everything is tagged. I've given L~A and Wooster a copy of what I have so far to look over as far as the naming since they're probably better at that than I and after all that's decided on I'll be releasing the soundtrack. Anyway, more as it develops. |
Author: | iddqd [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:56 am ] |
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i don't think we'll be seeing more of cing as the company filed bankruptcy. Any other games that follow what they produced (ex: again 2) won't nearly have the same effect as if it was done by cing, which was one of the few companys to fully exploit a console potentials (not to mention other stuff). |
Author: | TheRedPriest [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:18 am ] |
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Ok, I think I've done as much as I can do. Here is the final release of the soundtrack. 01) Eye of Providence 02) Intro Movie 03) Lobby of Hotel Miranda 04) Character Jingle 05) J's Observations 06) Investigate the Past - Normal 07) Investigate the Past - Pressing 08) FBI Field Office 09) Save Game 10) Clockford City Map 11) Cutscene - The First Dream 12) Urgent Conversation 13) Cutscene - First Murder 14) Hugo Watt - Ace Reporter 15) Lane Martinez - Lead Detective 16) Maureen Yashima - Forensic Scientist 17) Witness Interview - Moderato 18) J's Dreams 19) Witness Interview - Allegro 20) Witness Interview - Allegro (Variation) 21) Reviewing the Facts 22) Chapter Break 23) Witness Interview - Presto 24) Charles' Song - Happy Time 25) Request Station 26) Another Murder 27) Cold Sweat 28) Fragment of Past Visions 29) Cutscene - The Fourth Murder 30) Investigate the Past - Urgent 31) Cutscene - Rushing to the Scene 32) Cutscene - It Was Him. 33) The Awful Truth 34) Mom's Song - Ave Marie 35) Cutscene - In Front of the Old Warehouse 36) Danger Ahead 37) Investigate the Past - Imperative 38) Providence Appears 39) Witness Interview - Providence 40) Cutscene - The Final Act 41) Cutscene - This Is An Intermission 42) Investigate the Past - Closure 43) Memories 44) With Gratitude 45) Cutscene - The End 46) Staff Roll 47) BONUS - Investigation 01 Visions 48) BONUS - Investigation 02 Visions 49) BONUS - Investigation 03 Visions 50) BONUS - Investigation 04 Visions 51) BONUS - Investigation 05 Visions 52) BONUS - Investigation 06 Visions 53) BONUS - Investigation 07 Visions 54) BONUS - Investigation 08 Visions 55) BONUS - Investigation 09 Visions 56) BONUS - Investigation 10 Visions http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1fgh2b ... NEStra.rar Thanks to Wooster for helping with some of the name tweeking. I hope it's acceptable! |
Author: | Kayyy [ Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:38 pm ] |
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I've played this game <3 It is truly brilliant. I love it. |
Author: | Dawn [ Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:03 pm ] |
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I just finished playing this and while replaying Again, I realized something. Spoiler: Anyways, I liked this game and the music. ^^ |
Author: | Rov [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:53 pm ] |
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So I FINALLY got/beat this game. I loved it, even if it wasn't as interactive as some other visual novels I like. I play VN's for their story, and Again satisfied very sufficiently. Spoiler: |
Author: | L~A [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:16 pm ] |
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I really don't know about the model of the cellphone... not sure it's a real one, even though they did use real 'actors' for the characters, and real items for the items. But I'm pretty sure they would not have the money to get the authorization to use a real cell phone in the game, so they used a fake one instead. Maybe if we could dig in the game files, and find the mobile phone stuff in it, we could try to identify, but I doubt we could do that... Personally, I don't quite remember what the cell phone looked like, so I'd need a picture to see if I can guess which phone it is, though I really don't know much about them, actually... And glad to hear someone else liked this game. Come one everyone, let's give Cing some more love! (especially since it looks like it's gonna be their last game... ) |
Author: | Dark Coffee Drinker [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:13 pm ] |
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Just got it yesterday at Nintendo World. I love it so far. The story is very intriguing and the characters are likable. I went into this game unenthusiastic and I quickly started loving it. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:51 pm ] |
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Dark Coffee Drinker wrote: Just got it yesterday at Nintendo World. I love it so far. The story is very intriguing and the characters are likable. I went into this game unenthusiastic and I quickly started loving it. ...Wow. If the beginning was able to draw you in, then you are gonna go crazy when it gets good xD |
Author: | Cravat of Doom [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:00 am ] |
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Dark Coffee Drinker wrote: Just got it yesterday at Nintendo World. I love it so far. The story is very intriguing and the characters are likable. I went into this game unenthusiastic and I quickly started loving it. Agreed. XD Most of the first part of the game was slow and unnecessary. Many of the text boxes were just "Yeah." and "Alright." |
Author: | Dark Coffee Drinker [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:59 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Dark Coffee Drinker wrote: Just got it yesterday at Nintendo World. I love it so far. The story is very intriguing and the characters are likable. I went into this game unenthusiastic and I quickly started loving it. ...Wow. If the beginning was able to draw you in, then you are gonna go crazy when it gets good xD What drew me in was the first encounter with an Eye of Providence (I'm sure that part is what drew everyone else in too). But yeah, I'm on the 5th day of investigation. I am stuck and refuse to use a walkthrough. I hate Isabella's piano at the moment. Cravat of Doom wrote: Dark Coffee Drinker wrote: Just got it yesterday at Nintendo World. I love it so far. The story is very intriguing and the characters are likable. I went into this game unenthusiastic and I quickly started loving it. Agreed. XD Most of the first part of the game was slow and unnecessary. Many of the text boxes were just "Yeah." and "Alright." I know. XD The only things I hate about the dialogue right now is when J talks to Maureen and says "Nope. We don't have to talk to you." or whatever. Also, when he thinks "Somethings missing, we need more info." Then Kate says "Find anything?" and J says the exact same thing that he just thought. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:05 am ] |
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Dark Coffee Drinker wrote: Bad Player wrote: Dark Coffee Drinker wrote: Just got it yesterday at Nintendo World. I love it so far. The story is very intriguing and the characters are likable. I went into this game unenthusiastic and I quickly started loving it. ...Wow. If the beginning was able to draw you in, then you are gonna go crazy when it gets good xD What drew me in was the first encounter with an Eye of Providence (I'm sure that part is what drew everyone else in too). But yeah, I'm on the 5th day of investigation. I am stuck and refuse to use a walkthrough. I hate Isabella's piano at the moment. ...That puzzle was supposedly so difficult that beta-testers had to ask Tecmo for the answer. Iunno why, it was pretty simple for me.... Spoiler: just a hint, if you want it |
Author: | Cravat of Doom [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:30 am ] |
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Spoiler: Piano Puzzle |
Author: | Dark Coffee Drinker [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:14 am ] |
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Man I am stuck on the piano puzzle. I figured out the painting thing thanks to Cravat, but I can't figure out which order I need to put the notes in. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:12 am ] |
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It's there; look harder. |
Author: | L~A [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:33 pm ] |
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I agree with Bad Player, this puzzle isn't difficult at all. You just have to observe very very carefully, and give it a lot of thought... then the solution should reveal itself. Spoiler: |
Author: | Dark Coffee Drinker [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:14 am ] |
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I finished the piano puzzle earlier today. Spoiler: Puzzle |
Author: | Jesswee [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:50 pm ] |
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Ah, don't feel bad. It stumps a lot of people. I think someone in this thread was saying that a lot of people had to call Tecmo for help or something. It took me awhile to notice the leaves myself! I think I may have even guessed it randomly before I saw them. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:26 pm ] |
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Yeah, same for me. Spoiler: Again |
Author: | Ash [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:59 am ] |
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Finally finished Again today. As it took me 3 months just to finish a 7 hour game, you can probably guess how much I got into it. Not much. The biggest problem to me was the horrible, horrible placement of story-advancing events, combined with an enigmatic movement system. As you move, you first move to a place "near the place you want to go", then J en Kate talk about going to the place you were going, then you enter, you talk, exit and go just outside the place you just went, talk again, and you get to move to the next place. And at times, you'd have to talk to almost everybody on the list. Who'd tell you one sentence of importance. Didn't really like the Visions either. In the beginning it was really, really boring. Near the end, it was slightly less boring. The biggest problem I had was that the puzzles themselves weren't hard at all and the double vision just felt as a gimmick to me. It was mostly a nuisance I had to endure to advance the story. Which was quite entertaining though. The first plot-twist was quite indeed surprising, afterwards it kinda paced on in a way you'd expect it to go and having read too much detectives, my intuition had already correctly identified Providence (of course, as Poirot would say, intuition of specialists is not some weird mumbo-jumbo, but feeling that sprouts from one's years of experience and knowledge). Nonetheless, it's the one redeeming factor of this game IMHO. Kinda too bad I played Again after Last Window :( |
Author: | Nicii306 [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:06 pm ] |
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Hey, I'm from Germany so i wonder if it will be released here, too? Does anyone know? Because i love Hotel Dusk and Last Window (: |
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