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Author: | Alice [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Small continuity error? |
MedliSage wrote: Marinakoko17 wrote: Spoiler: AAI Case 3 I've been wondering, where in the heck in the game IS this? I've heard it mentioned by several people that you can see Phoenix with Maya and Pearl at Gatewater land, but I've failed to spot them each time I've done the case (admittedly it's only two, but still...) Where exactly are they? To answer both questions, AAI takes place one month after T&T and one month before AJ. And the scene with the Phoenix, Maya and Pearl cameo, go to the bridge where Edgeworth first entered Gatewater Land. But the cameo will only appear between the time Lang kick you out after going to the stadium to meet Oldbag and Ema and going into the kidnapper's hideout. This cameo may be hard to see because you need to go out of your way and leave the Wild Wild West area purposely. |
Author: | SuperGanondorf [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Spoiler: Case 1 |
Author: | Pierre [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
SuperGanondorf wrote: Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: |
Author: | SuperGanondorf [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Pierre wrote: SuperGanondorf wrote: Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 1 |
Author: | Pierre [ Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Spoiler: |
Author: | SuperGanondorf [ Sat May 01, 2010 1:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Pierre wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: AA, JFA, and AAI Case 1 |
Author: | MedliSage [ Sun May 02, 2010 2:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Spoiler: Regarding the above discussion (AAI Case 1) Alice wrote: And the scene with the Phoenix, Maya and Pearl cameo, go to the bridge where Edgeworth first entered Gatewater Land. But the cameo will only appear between the time Lang kick you out after going to the stadium to meet Oldbag and Ema and going into the kidnapper's hideout. This cameo may be hard to see because you need to go out of your way and leave the Wild Wild West area purposely. Oh, thank you! (: |
Author: | Katana [ Mon May 03, 2010 10:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Darkurai wrote: Spoiler: AAI-4 All we know for sure is that Gumshoe poked his finger at it, and it turned on. He may have just been looking at it in detail; like a lot of us do when reading small text in a book. Gumshoe insists again and again he didn't actually touch it; if he were lying, he'd just apologize. The others yell at him for turning it on, assuming he's the one who did. |
Author: | Croik [ Wed May 05, 2010 2:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Just because Jacques isn't shown wearing gloves on his sprites doesn't mean he didn't have some on when he was tossing the office. Spoiler: case 1 |
Author: | Regy Rusty [ Wed May 05, 2010 4:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Darkurai wrote: Regy Rusty wrote: Guys we're retreading old ground here. That 'contradiction' with the video tape was already discussed and explained earlier in the thread. See page 4. The discussion on page four ended with an incorrect conclusion, though. Regy Rusty wrote: Mask*DeMasque wrote: Spoiler: AAI-4 Spoiler: AAI-4 Spoiler: AAI-4 Spoiler: AAI-4 |
Author: | SuperGanondorf [ Thu May 06, 2010 4:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Croik wrote: Just because Jacques isn't shown wearing gloves on his sprites doesn't mean he didn't have some on when he was tossing the office. Spoiler: Case 1 |
Author: | Pierre [ Thu May 06, 2010 8:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
SuperGanondorf wrote: Croik wrote: Just because Jacques isn't shown wearing gloves on his sprites doesn't mean he didn't have some on when he was tossing the office. Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: |
Author: | Croik [ Sat May 08, 2010 1:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
SuperGanondorf wrote: Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: |
Author: | Mask*DeMasque [ Thu May 13, 2010 10:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Something I just thought of... Spoiler: Case 1 |
Author: | Pierre [ Thu May 13, 2010 10:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Mask*DeMasque wrote: Something I just thought of... Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: |
Author: | Croik [ Sun May 23, 2010 1:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Mask*DeMasque wrote: Something I just thought of... Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: |
Author: | aquajet16 [ Sun May 30, 2010 10:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
I just got the game. (Finally it reached our shores!). Well I have one fact I want to point out. Spoiler: |
Author: | Pierre [ Sun May 30, 2010 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
aquajet16 wrote: I just got the game. (Finally it reached our shores!). Well I have one fact I want to point out. Spoiler: Spoiler: Well... |
Author: | aquajet16 [ Sun May 30, 2010 10:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Pierre wrote: Spoiler: Well... Spoiler: |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Sun May 30, 2010 1:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
aquajet16 wrote: I just got the game. (Finally it reached our shores!). Well I have one fact I want to point out. Spoiler: That's not really a contradiction...more like a very grey area. It is still up to the host country to make the call on immunity (which Allebahst still did in this case). http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... c-immunity http://www.state.gov/m/ds/immunities/c9127.htm (a nice chart for those avoiding tl:dr) |
Author: | Regy Rusty [ Sun May 30, 2010 8:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
aquajet16 wrote: I just got the game. (Finally it reached our shores!). Well I have one fact I want to point out. Spoiler: That's all just an example of the Ace Attorney universe having different laws to ours - something we've seen countless times throughout the games. That doesn't make it a contradiction. |
Author: | Katana [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
aquajet16 wrote: I just got the game. (Finally it reached our shores!). Well I have one fact I want to point out. Spoiler: I may be a little shaky on what you mean by the "host" country. Do you mean Allabahst, or the USA? Spoiler: |
Author: | Shiho-chan [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
UltraSaint4121 wrote: Question! Spoiler: AAI-5 Spoiler: Guess |
Author: | Coffee Prosecutor [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
UltraSaint4121 wrote: Question! Spoiler: AAI-5 There's a contradiction in your contradiction Since when is Badou only for 7 years on the force? He's , blame my memory, 67?! |
Author: | meleemaster500 [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
lots of posts, so i dunno if it was touched on before or not but, (I sent this in an email to Croik a bit earlier, but I'm posting it for discussion purposes) I have one contradiction in case 5 Spoiler: and another somewhat contradiction in case 5, which isn't so much as a contradiction as it just (oddly) isn't fully explained by the characters. Spoiler: (V not spoiler V) I also find the dimensions of the plane Edgeworth flew on in the second case very unrealistic (much too tall to match it's width, much larger than a realistic plane, and contains more levels with windows than the other visible planes at the airport he arrived at) but those details are not really contradictions, explainable, or important for that matter. |
Author: | Croik [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
meleemaster500 wrote: I have one contradiction in case 5 Spoiler: Spoiler rule is up, so it's okay to post out of tags in this thread now. The photo was taken just after the Samurai show, which would also make it just after the murder. You can see that a piece from the knife is already missing when the photo was taken. Therefore, the piece very likely fell off during the murder and lodged somewhere on the victim's body. I don't know why you're saying that the piece had to have been removed before the murder. As for the crossbow, that's exactly what happened, and therefore not a contradiction. If you admit the plane is ridiculous but not a contradiction, those comments don't really belong in this thread, eh? |
Author: | KingRaptor [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Coffee Prosecutor wrote: UltraSaint4121 wrote: Question! Spoiler: AAI-5 There's a contradiction in your contradiction Since when is Badou only for 7 years on the force? He's , blame my memory, 67?! 60, but yes, he's probably been on the force for most of his life. Spoiler: My explanation |
Author: | aquajet16 [ Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
1. The fact that Alba was literally lost and didn't know the whereabouts of the comfort room in the Theatrum Neutralis. It is very unlikely for an Ambassador to not know this but I guess he just lied when he said this but you cannot erase the fact that this reason alone is pretty ludicrous and ridiculous. This is why I almost pulled my hair out during the Alba cross-examination 2. Also, how in hell did Calisto enter the Interpol as Shih-na?! Interpol people are not foolishly foolish fools who don't run background checks to begin with, and even if the ring supplied her with fraudulent documents, it won just cut. |
Author: | Mr. Bear Jew [ Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
aquajet16 wrote: 2. Also, how in hell did Calisto enter the Interpol as Shih-na?! Interpol people are not foolishly foolish fools who don't run background checks to begin with, and even if the ring supplied her with fraudulent documents, it won just cut. Law enforcement incompetence on the "Ace Attorney" level. |
Author: | Icarus [ Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
aquajet16 wrote: 2. Also, how in hell did Calisto enter the Interpol as Shih-na?! Interpol people are not foolishly foolish fools who don't run background checks to begin with, and even if the ring supplied her with fraudulent documents, it won just cut. The smuggling ring is supposedly very powerful, they might have a man inside Interpol, or maybe they were able to pay an Interpol agent off. Your fraudulent documents don't need to stand up to much scrutiny if the guy checking them is on your side. There are a lot of ways to explain this away. |
Author: | Coffee Prosecutor [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
aquajet16 wrote: 2. Also, how in hell did Calisto enter the Interpol as Shih-na?! Interpol people are not foolishly foolish fools who don't run background checks to begin with, and even if the ring supplied her with fraudulent documents, it won just cut. They also may have killed an interpol agent and replace her with Yew |
Author: | Brendan2k5 [ Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
I got a few and to honest, I didn't read all the posts up to now aside from this page. Case 1: -Edgeworth discovers the "mistake" in the Offices' Numbering Order but it's never actually explained why Maggey "knew" (by that I mean she knew the difference between Edgeworth and Portsman's Office) about the mistake but everyone else apparently missed it? That blows a major hole in Portsman accusing her. Case 2: -Maybe it's just me but Edgeworth figuring out how the Interpol Agent died just from seeing LaBlanc take a dive is a bit of a stretch. That, and it still doesn't fully explain the COD. As was shown when Edgeworth was set up, the actual COD is pretty circumstantial. If I had to guess, maybe Capcom tried a bit too hard making this case appear meaninglssly drawn out and complicated. -The timeline between when the Interpol Agent died and when Edgeworth passed out is way too short. In said timeline, it's near-impossible for the body unless somehow Cammy knew about the turbulance in advance. -Speaking of Cammy: We know her laziness was an act but her movements and the airline pilot's "cooperation" with her is pretty suspicious. When you think about it, there's no way she could have done it all by herself 17,000 feet from the ground. Case 3: -Lauren isn't charged even though she had a part in the fake kidnapping. Lana Skye was put away for less >.>; -Ernest's role in the smuggling ring is never actually explained and the fake kidnapping seemed to play out more as a molehunt than a scheme by Lance to get free money. -If you exhaust your life bar on your return to the Wild West Hostage Area, Lang and Shih-Na will pop in to say game over. This makes no sense since the pair supposedly are unaware of where Edgeworth is at this time. In fact, he's supposedly investigating somewhere else. Case 4: -The timeline between the murders and Kay's movements up to her introduction to Edgeworth is a bit shady. We know her father was killed immediately after the recess began but in the time between when she asked Edgeworth for change, shared a snack with Gumshoe and then is formally introduced to Edgeworth, her movements are unaccounted for. This leads me to believe she may have known more about the Yatagarasu at the time than we were led to believe. Yew specifically states in Case 5 she'd been looking for Little Thief all the time thinking Badd hid it somewhere. -Speaking of Badd: He probably knew what had happened from the beginning but keep his cover he probably played dumb. Even with the cover he and Yew had as 2 parts of the Yatagarasu, it's unlikely he would have not noticed Yew was going to betray him. Case 5: -Sorry, but I had to post this link/vid (I know it's been done to death, lawl): Spoiler: Diplomatic Immunity -The fact that Alba is exposed out of nowhere is a bit sketchy. The evidence prior to that makes Palaeno and Shih-Na/Yew likely suspects as well though it's never fully explained how the former escapes being investigated because of the two fires alone. -Lang getting Alba's Diplomatic Immunity revoked all but guaranteed his indictment so all the arguements that happened afterward really shouldn't have happened. It would've come out in court anyways. Misc. -Phoenix Wright doesn't appear but he is referenced in all of the cases except the fourth (of course). -2-3 and 3-5 are both referenced in the last case. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Brendan2k5 wrote: I got a few and to honest, I didn't read all the posts up to now aside from this page. Case 1: -Edgeworth discovers the "mistake" in the Offices' Numbering Order but it's never actually explained why Maggey "knew" (by that I mean she knew the difference between Edgeworth and Portsman's Office) about the mistake but everyone else apparently missed it? That blows a major hole in Portsman accusing her. ... Are you talking about the sliding out of the number plates? It's explained why Maggey mistakes Edgeworth's office for Portsman's. It's because Portsman moved his props (basketball hoop) in front of Edgeworth's office as well as switched the number plate. Quote: Case 2: -Maybe it's just me but Edgeworth figuring out how the Interpol Agent died just from seeing LaBlanc take a dive is a bit of a stretch. That, and it still doesn't fully explain the COD. As was shown when Edgeworth was set up, the actual COD is pretty circumstantial. If I had to guess, maybe Capcom tried a bit too hard making this case appear meaninglssly drawn out and complicated. Perhaps a stretch, but not a contradiction. The supposed murder weapon was shown to be planted, so the real murder weapon was still unaccounted for. Not to mention, the autopsy revealed a large bruise on the body that would have been consistent with a long fall. Quote: -The timeline between when the Interpol Agent died and when Edgeworth passed out is way too short. In said timeline, it's near-impossible for the body unless somehow Cammy knew about the turbulance in advance. No, it isn't. The actual time of death was shown to be earlier than previously thought. Quote: -Speaking of Cammy: We know her laziness was an act but her movements and the airline pilot's "cooperation" with her is pretty suspicious. When you think about it, there's no way she could have done it all by herself 17,000 feet from the ground. Given enough time, it's plausible that she did it all by herself. But just because she has something going with the pilot does not mean he was assisting her. Although I could see him giving into her charms and giving her special permission to access certain areas of the plane. Quote: Case 3: -Lauren isn't charged even though she had a part in the fake kidnapping. Lana Skye was put away for less >.>; I agree that it's strange she wasn't charged, but Lana Skye was not put away for less. Lana Skye tinkered with evidence on more than one occasion, and stabbed a man (even if he was dead at the time). Quote: -Ernest's role in the smuggling ring is never actually explained and the fake kidnapping seemed to play out more as a molehunt than a scheme by Lance to get free money. Not a contradiction. Quote: -If you exhaust your life bar on your return to the Wild West Hostage Area, Lang and Shih-Na will pop in to say game over. This makes no sense since the pair supposedly are unaware of where Edgeworth is at this time. In fact, he's supposedly investigating somewhere else. I haven't experienced this, but it sounds pretty funny and more of a programming oops than a contradiction. Quote: Case 4: -The timeline between the murders and Kay's movements up to her introduction to Edgeworth is a bit shady. We know her father was killed immediately after the recess began but in the time between when she asked Edgeworth for change, shared a snack with Gumshoe and then is formally introduced to Edgeworth, her movements are unaccounted for. This leads me to believe she may have known more about the Yatagarasu at the time than we were led to believe. Yew specifically states in Case 5 she'd been looking for Little Thief all the time thinking Badd hid it somewhere. This is a non-contradiction turning into a theory. It's perfectly plausible she could have been running around scared or hiding, which would be a perfectly normal reaction of a ten-year-old girl who finds out her father has been murdered in the same building she was running around in. It doesn't mean she knew more about the Yatagarasu than she let on. Quote: -Speaking of Badd: He probably knew what had happened from the beginning but keep his cover he probably played dumb. Even with the cover he and Yew had as 2 parts of the Yatagarasu, it's unlikely he would have not noticed Yew was going to betray him. Again, another theory. Quote: Case 5: -Sorry, but I had to post this link/vid (I know it's been done to death, lawl): Spoiler: Diplomatic Immunity -The fact that Alba is exposed out of nowhere is a bit sketchy. The evidence prior to that makes Palaeno and Shih-Na/Yew likely suspects as well though it's never fully explained how the former escapes being investigated because of the two fires alone. Explain. What 'evidence' and how does it make Palaeno and Shih-na suspects? Quote: -Lang getting Alba's Diplomatic Immunity revoked all but guaranteed his indictment so all the arguements that happened afterward really shouldn't have happened. It would've come out in court anyways. This is not a contradiction. But to say the arguments should not have happened doesn't make sense. Whether or not things come out during the trial does not mean you should go into the courtroom completely unprepared, without information or an advantage. Quote: Misc. -Phoenix Wright doesn't appear but he is referenced in all of the cases except the fourth (of course). -2-3 and 3-5 are both referenced in the last case. Seriously, how are these contradictions? If you have thoughts on the cases, you should probably find the appropriate threads and post them there. |
Author: | rydus65 [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
tbhp14 wrote: Spoiler: [spoiler=AAI 1 & 5] Well, if Badd didn't steal the tape, Alba would probably just send another smuggling member to steal it instead. Badd stole it so that Alba couldn't get the tape. I've got a couple questions for AAI-2[spoiler= possible spoilers] 1. Lablanc fell about 6 ft and survived yet Dustin Prince fell from a similar fall and died? Is this because Lablanc fell on his back instead of his neck? I'm guessing that's the reason but it's just weird. Lablanc weighs a lot more than Dustin Prince. 2. Did Cammy really have to kill Hicks? I don't think Hicks had any evidence about Cammy's involvement in the smuggling ring or suspected her at this point. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
rydus65 wrote: I've got a couple questions for AAI-2[spoiler= possible spoilers] 1. Lablanc fell about 6 ft and survived yet Dustin Prince fell from a similar fall and died? Is this because Lablanc fell on his back instead of his neck? I'm guessing that's the reason but it's just weird. Lablanc weighs a lot more than Dustin Prince. Maybe the fat cushioned his fall too? Quote: 2. Did Cammy really have to kill Hicks? I don't think Hicks had any evidence about Cammy's involvement in the smuggling ring or suspected her at this point. It's been a while since I played the case, but I got the impression it was one of those panicky, spur-of-the-moment things. Sort of like Richard Wellington's reasons for killing Dustin Prince. |
Author: | Icarus [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Brendan2k5 wrote: Case 3: -Lauren isn't charged even though she had a part in the fake kidnapping. Lana Skye was put away for less >.>; In the post-credits scenes, Lauren Paups is seen in the Detention Center, where she falls in love with the guard. Just because she didn't get arrested on-screen doesn't mean she got off scot-free. |
Author: | Mr. Bear Jew [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
rydus65 wrote: 2. Did Cammy really have to kill Hicks? I don't think Hicks had any evidence about Cammy's involvement in the smuggling ring or suspected her at this point. Since the Red Alif wasn't where it should have been, coupled with the fact that Interpol already knew someone aboard the airplane was involved with smuggling and that there was only one person who could have OK'd the statue to be loaded onto the plane, that makes Cammy look pretty suspicious. Hicks had enough evidence to question Cammy about the statue right there and I don't doubt that he would have caught her if she hadn't resorted to extreme measures. |
Author: | Xayces [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
I don't know if this was mentioned or not but I don't feel like reading 277 posts to find out... This may be a contradiction to the timeline with the whole JFA/T&T/AA and whatever else, but I'm not sure. Even if it's not a contradiction, I did find it really strange. Cute, but strange... Spoiler: Case 3 |
Author: | PollyGramarye [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Spoiler: Case 3 |
Author: | Croik [ Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
A better question would be, why WOULDN'T they go on a boat ride? |
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