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Author: | Coffee Prosecutor [ Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:50 am ] |
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Croik wrote: A better question would be, why WOULDN'T they go on a boat ride? probably Nick is seasick and lost it first after his falling in Eagle River What better cure for phobia than jumping down a cliff |
Author: | Xayces [ Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:05 pm ] |
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PollyGramarye wrote: Spoiler: Case 3 And that's where fan-fiction comes in! :P |
Author: | Zoo977 [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:02 am ] |
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Spoiler: Case four |
Author: | Croik [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:55 am ] |
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Zoo977 wrote: Spoiler: Case four Edgeworth did jump to conclusions, but because he was ultimately correct, it's not really a contradiction. |
Author: | rydus65 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm ] |
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Got a couple questions for AAI-3 1. Kind of wondering how Troupe Grameyre was able to perform with Magnifi being in the hospital and all. I know they can perform without him, but it still had to be kind of distracting. 2. Couldn't the police/Interpol find out about the secret passages from the Gatewater Land owner? So they can use them to find the kidnappers 3. Speaking of the kidnappers, how did they know about the secret passages and the Haunted House Mirror trick? 4. Edgeworth, Lang and co. couldn't search the Haunted House because Ernest bought the deed for the Haunted House which prevented them from searching the place. Now, despite the fact that the chief of police told Lang to leave Ernest alone, wouldn't the fact that Ernest was Lance's father (giving a reason that Lance could hide something) and the timing of the transaction be reason enough to get a search warrant for the place? If anything, Lang should be on the phone with the chief of police telling him why he needs to search the haunted house since the facts have changed since Ernest talked with him. |
Author: | Croik [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:02 am ] |
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1. By then Zak and Valant had already taken over the show. There's no telling how long Magnifi was out of the limelight himself. 2. You mean the secret passage out of the kidnappers' planning room? Interpol didn't show up until after the kidnappers had emptied out, so it wouldn't have done them any good. 3. Uhhh I dunno, maybe Lance really really likes Gatewater Land?? There's no special reason they couldn't know, so it's not really a contradiction. It could be as simple as they snuck in once after dark and scoped it out. 4. Ernest buying the Haunted House was suspicious, but they didn't have any evidence to prove that it was related to the murder. You can't get a search warrant based on "I really think he did it...!" |
Author: | foxcroft [ Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:36 pm ] |
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I might be missing an obvious explanation but I seem to remember this frustrating me. Anyone got a solution? Spoiler: GK-5 |
Author: | henke37 [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:39 pm ] |
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It's amazing what a combination of the brain canceling out constant pain, painkillers and being badass can do for bullet pains. With such a huge staff, it would be more likely than not that someone knew how to deal with it well enough for the time being. Besides, as multiple persons (Manfred and Wooky to be precise) prove, people can live on with a bullet in them. |
Author: | Justice Panda [ Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:03 am ] |
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foxcroft wrote: I might be missing an obvious explanation but I seem to remember this frustrating me. Anyone got a solution? Spoiler: GK-5 It's because he's Lang. He's just naturally awsome and super human-ish. |
Author: | Bruce Goldberg [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:32 am ] |
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Spoiler: Regards to AA Case 6 |
Author: | Ping' [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:39 am ] |
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Spoiler: AAI case 5 |
Author: | Bruce Goldberg [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:41 am ] |
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Spoiler: Previous comment Spoiler: Justification |
Author: | Ping' [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:04 am ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | Bruce Goldberg [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:14 am ] |
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Ping' wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Croik [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:00 am ] |
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Bruce Goldberg wrote: Spoiler: Manny was already planning to break from Alba. Knowing Alba's ruthlessness, there was no way he would walk into the Embassy and willingly be alone with him. Might as well tape a "stab me!" sign to his back. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:41 pm ] |
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Replaying case 5, and this just occurred to me: Spoiler: Turnabout Ablaze |
Author: | Croik [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:44 am ] |
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The photo was taken after the show. I'm pretty sure that's stated at some point. Alba's argument re: the knife could have been taken from the bouquet is still valid because it includes the possibility that the same murderer replaced the knife when finished. Which is silly, but possible. The knife lost the petal during the murder and was stuck on Manny's body, thus transferring it to the cart when the body was moved. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:07 pm ] |
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o.O That IS silly. It also means that the "real killer" would've had to take the knife from the bouquet during the show, use it to kill Manny, put it back in the bouquet, then steal it again after the photo to move it to Allebahst. |
Author: | Steel Turnabout [ Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:56 am ] |
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The whole "Gun in court" shpeal in case four. How did Calisto smuggle (:D) it in? They established that Byrne couldn't bring the knife in, but how did Calisto bring a gun in? They check everyone before they enter the courthouse, and she couldn't say "Oh it's evidence" because Byrne had the gun as evidence. I can only think of one way, but even Calisto wouldn't stoop THAT low. |
Author: | Coffee Prosecutor [ Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:12 pm ] |
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Well, she is a master of disguise, she may have sneaked in as a guard and then changed clothes. |
Author: | Mask*DeMasque [ Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:32 pm ] |
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Steel Turnabout wrote: I can only think of one way, but even Calisto wouldn't stoop THAT low. What way would that be? Murder the guards? |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:52 pm ] |
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Mask*DeMasque wrote: Steel Turnabout wrote: I can only think of one way, but even Calisto wouldn't stoop THAT low. What way would that be? Murder the guards? Tampon? |
Author: | Steel Turnabout [ Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:02 pm ] |
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote: Well, she is a master of disguise, she may have sneaked in as a guard and then changed clothes. Hmm...never thought of that. Wouldn't they notice a missing guard though? If she got the gun in from posing as a security guard, then they would notice her and thus notice the missing guard later. And besides, wouldn't people wonder how she came in when she showed up later in court? |
Author: | Mr. Brown [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:40 pm ] |
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Having just completed the game recently, two things crossed my mind, one was the whole thing regarding the petal mentioned above and the other was in case 4 Spoiler: |
Author: | Steel Turnabout [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:15 am ] |
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Adrian in black wrote: Mask*DeMasque wrote: Steel Turnabout wrote: I can only think of one way, but even Calisto wouldn't stoop THAT low. What way would that be? Murder the guards? Tampon? Yes. Not even Calisto could stoop that low. |
Author: | YoshiyaKiryu [ Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:33 am ] |
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote: Well, she is a master of disguise, she may have sneaked in as a guard and then changed clothes. It seems like too much effort to do. Calisto could have pulled it off, but I don't think she'd do that when it could bring up so many problems. |
Author: | Oscirus [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:05 am ] |
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Quote: 4. Ernest buying the Haunted House was suspicious, but they didn't have any evidence to prove that it was related to the murder. You can't get a search warrant based on "I really think he did it...!" Couldn't they have gotten a search warrant based off of the fact that it was the site of Edgeworth's kidnapping? Even if they couldn't prove a murder, they knew for a fact that he was kidnapped from there. |
Author: | KingRei [ Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:32 pm ] |
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Mr. Brown wrote: Having just completed the game recently, two things crossed my mind, one was the whole thing regarding the petal mentioned above and the other was in case 4 Spoiler: They never checked. They probably were there. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:56 am ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | LuigiHann [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:53 am ] |
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Okay, just read through every post in this thread. Surprised this wasn't brought up, because it really irritated me when playing the game, just how stupid this is... In case five, there's a whole series of puzzles regarding the shadow of the Yatagarasu. The solution to the puzzle is that this shadow is actually a combination of two shadows from two different spotlights. Shadows do not work that way! The light from one spotlight would illuminate the shadows cast from the other spotlight! Specifically, they claim that combining the two statue shadows could look like this: In reality, it would look more like this: So I mean, at best, the "Yatagarasu shadow" would have looked something like this, and any viewer would be able to see two distinct outlines: I kept losing life because I was assuming that the second part of the shadow would have to be coming from the same light source as the first part of the shadow, because really, their way makes so little sense that it didn't even occur to me. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:17 pm ] |
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Nice catch, Luigi. Perhaps, since it was only up for a second before the spotlights were knocked over/turned off, it was like that in the picture, but people filled it in themselves to make it a s continuous image? After all, the Yatagarasu's "wings" aren't in the exact same shape as the woman's hands; it was changed a little bit, (I'm assuming) since it was only there for a split second. And if everyone's perception could be changed in that respect... |
Author: | Pierre [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:21 pm ] |
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I'd rather say since the speculation about the Yatagarasu striking and the actual sudden shock of the event people's perceptions were skewed by fear, panic, surprise, etc. Plus you know.....the rumours about the Yatagarasu actually striking that night. People uncertain of the event (due to fear) would assume based on other intel that the Yatagarasu was there and it was the perfect shadow they'd seen. But then I remembered that as a player you actually solve the puzzle and see the shadow as it should be.....so...damn |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:55 pm ] |
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Pierre wrote: But then I remembered that as a player you actually solve the puzzle and see the shadow as it should be.....so...damn So when you actually solve the mystery there is a cough-up, but in terms of what happened with the plot we can hand-wave it away :3 |
Author: | Pierre [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:05 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Pierre wrote: But then I remembered that as a player you actually solve the puzzle and see the shadow as it should be.....so...damn So when you actually solve the mystery there is a cough-up, but in terms of what happened with the plot we can hand-wave it away :3 YAY PSYCHOLOGY! |
Author: | Mr. Bear Jew [ Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:29 am ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Pierre wrote: But then I remembered that as a player you actually solve the puzzle and see the shadow as it should be.....so...damn So when you actually solve the mystery there is a cough-up, but in terms of what happened with the plot we can hand-wave it away :3 The flash was brief enough to camouflage the separate outlines. |
Author: | EdgeworthFangirl141 [ Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:49 pm ] |
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Tomoshibi Amatsu wrote: Spoiler: case 5 Spoiler: Case 5 |
Author: | Franzika Von ehmpke5 [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:09 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Case 4 |
Author: | Lusankya [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:37 pm ] |
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Pierre wrote: davidbod wrote: For the ending of AAI-4: Spoiler: I think AAI-5 will explain that a little but it might spoil it if we tell you now. Actually I still don't understand it. Can anyone explain? |
Author: | Steel Turnabout [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:38 am ] |
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Lusankya wrote: Pierre wrote: davidbod wrote: For the ending of AAI-4: Spoiler: I think AAI-5 will explain that a little but it might spoil it if we tell you now. Actually I still don't understand it. Can anyone explain? Spoiler: Did you even beat the game? They spell it out for you |
Author: | Lusankya [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:26 am ] |
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Steel Turnabout wrote: Lusankya wrote: davidbod wrote: For the ending of AAI-4: Spoiler: Actually I still don't understand it. Can anyone explain? Spoiler: Did you even beat the game? They spell it out for you Yeah, but the problem is: Spoiler: case 4 |
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