Anyone else think the "Final Battle" was fairly lackluster?
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Anyway, I didn't mind the final confrontation much myself, but I can see why you'd feel that way. It did drag out a bit.
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Agreed. It would have been nice if they mixed it up a bit, and no repeat a process. That's my only complaint.
A part of me didn't want it to end because that would mean the game would end. ;D Good thing I was playing it in the afternoon instead of at night. If I played it at night, I would be annoyed, because I wouldn't be able to put the game down and go to sleep without knowing the outcome. :P
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At the least, it was a much more satisfying payoff than Bridge To The Turnabout's stale finale.
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Oh, and having a more interesting final boss would be very helpful, too. (I for one would have liked to have seen their 'dragon' as the big bad, instead.)
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I totally agree. There weren't even any plot twists or major revelations during the entire final battle. If they wanted to have a long final battle, they should have added extra plot points, or even withheld some of the info previously found in the game for the final confrontation.
I agree completely. This was my main problem with the final confrontation. I actually like really long rebuttals and court battles, but only if they keep me on the edge of my seat and surprise me every now and then. With the final confrontation in AAI, it was the exact opposite. For example,
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And even though the situation is dire, I just didn't get the "oh crap I have to get this right or else" feeling I got from say.... 2-4 (or even AAI-4). It could be because
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Yeah I had the same feeling, that the characters just talk too much, and Edgey has to explain every little detail to the others when I feel some parts are unnecessary... although his little thing at the end where
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Edgeworth: We have cornered you! Take that!
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*someone bursts in* HOLD IT! You have to stay here because...because I say so!
Alba: Fine. *continues to not be beaten*
After the fourth or so time this happened I was bored out of my mind. "Argh, just let him off and go eat Swiss rolls! I'm bored!"
The whole final case was a bit..meh. Aside from the Shih-na revelation (which I had guessed anyway! I feel proud!) it was the most bland final case in the whole series. There wasn't any personal motivation or drive. It wasn't epic enough and stupid Alba took too long to take down. We weren't defending Edgeworth, choosing between personal feelings or justice, clearing Phoenix's name or...well..playing Bridge to the Turnabout (<--most epic case ever.) I was like 'Oh, is that it?' when I finished the game.
But by far the biggest disappointment was Alba's breakdown. We spend way too long getting him to crack, and what does he do? He does his regular OHSHIT sprite and then shrinks. For one second. Not nearly on the level of epic breakdowns eg. Dahlia, Gant, Von Karma, Engarde, Kristoph...and because he took so long to finish off I was really expecting something awesome.
Yeah, the final case was pretty disappointing, all in all. They could have done a lot better.
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Yeah, the final case was pretty disappointing, all in all. They could have done a lot better.
Ironically, Turnabout Ablaze was as good as it could have been, and it was still a lot better and more satisfying than Bridge To The
By the way, did you miss the part of Alba's breakdown where he literally explodes?
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By the way, did you miss the part of Alba's breakdown where he literally explodes?
It felt to me like a Regular Villain breakdown, and one of the lamer ones. *shrugs* Ah well, each to their own opinion.
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I dislike him as a whole, and not in a "love to hate" way. This guy is too boring when compared to other big villains like von Karma, Gant, Matt, Dahlia, Kristoph or Calisto.
I think my main problem with the last bit of Turnabout Ablaze is that breaking him down was not nearly as fun or exciting as revealing the accomplice behind him. The climax happened much before the end.
I got a little more stressed every time he raised his freaking hand.
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), and so it just felt like some spontaneous character shoved in to take the blame.I rather enjoyed Bridge to the Turnabout's ending, however.
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Upon thoughtful reconsideration, I agree that Alba's breakdown could have been better if he had burst into flame following his explosion, igniting the entire lobby and burning it to cinders, with Edgeworth & Co. emerging unscathed, naturally.
Hur hur hur.
...Actually, that would have been pretty cool.
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Upon thoughtful reconsideration, I agree that Alba's breakdown could have been better if he had burst into flame following his explosion, igniting the entire lobby and burning it to cinders, with Edgeworth & Co. emerging unscathed, naturally.
I was already satisfied how he basically got nuked at the end... but now I wish what you said also happened as well XD
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<--heartfelt conclusion to AAI's finaleIt would have been nice if Alba burst into spontaneous combustion flames after his own health bar ran out. Or if he became petrified like a tree and then there would be the sound effect of a chopped tree falling down as he does so.
I think it was the lack of PW's classic drama, drama that really squeezes tears out of even the most jaded people. The previous games always had a certain je ne sais qois that sets the series apart from most detective games/visual novels. Must also say that Turnabout Ablaze wasn't as clever as most. Not lousy, but not clever either.
So yeah.
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And finaly we found the guy, even if it was a hard battle it was so much fun.
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You guys need to look at the big picture, we waited all through cases 1-5 to figure out WHO was the mastermind of all this.
And finaly we found the guy, even if it was a hard battle it was so much fun.
And finaly we found the guy, even if it was a hard battle it was so much fun.
What's fun about not sinking any nails into that stubborn log that was Alba until the drop-of-blood-that-is-Japan scene?
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You guys need to look at the big picture, we waited all through cases 1-5 to figure out WHO was the mastermind of all this.
And finaly we found the guy, even if it was a hard battle it was so much fun.
And finaly we found the guy, even if it was a hard battle it was so much fun.
What's fun about not sinking any nails into that stubborn log that was Alba until the drop-of-blood-that-is-Japan scene?
Subjectivity much? The takedown (systematically stripping away every one of his advantages, firing shot after shot and only slightly puncturing his armor, and stabbing his Achilles Hell with a knife) was the
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Subjectivity much? The takedown (systematically stripping away every one of his advantages, firing shot after shot and only slightly puncturing his armor, and stabbing his Achilles Hell with a knife) was the best most fun part of Turnabout Ablaze and nailing Alba FOR GOOD has to be one of the most satisfying moments in the game. I don't know how anyone could be dissatisfied with finally chopping him down to size. Interpreted from an extremely crooked angle, it's almost like the fans didn't care about how much of a monster he was and were rooting for him to escape just so the case would end.
It felt like a reason to drag the game on more than clearing up some truths about the case. Of course, if you want to say that the disappointed posse of AA fans just wanted the case to end for how long it dragged, then yes. If it had a reason(and a good one) to drag on, very well then. The statue-go-round and the fake MaskdeMasque just went over my head, and half the time I didn't even know how we got to certain conclusions. And I didn't get that lost in the previous games, especially Bridge to the Turnabout.
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Additionally, rubbing salt on Alba's wound by forcing him to pick which country he wants to be prosecuted in first has to be on the same level of satisfaction as humiliating Manfred and absolutely crushing his perfect reputation. "One who is above the law" instantly shrivels up and becomes "the pathetic man with nothing left". If that's not a satisfactory end to Ace Attorney's most powerful and cunning villain to date, I don't know what is.
The final evidence was pretty lame, though.
I mean: 1-4, the metal detector comes back out of nowhere, AND you get to take Manfred to the school of PAIN regarding rifling marks.
in 2-4, the final evidence is brought in right before the climax, but it is something you already knew existed and you're just now realizing why it's so significant and how you can use it, and it is so damn satisfying to finally get De Killer to back down and watch Engarde sweat.
in 3-5, the final evidence is things that were introduced two or three cases beforehand.
4-4 was the worst ending to any case so far, there was no final evidence at all because Capcom forgot that sometimes people like to play games.
in AAI-5, it was part-cool, mostly-lame. There are no words for how lame the Rising Sun Samurai Dogs thing was, it was contrived to make the "useless" Samurai Dogs the final bit of evidence. I think it's way better when evidence you already used comes back into play in an unexpected way, like the metal detector or the panties in 4-2. On the other hand, I did like how Amb. Alba's Wound came back into play. I saw it coming but it was nice to see it happen nonetheless.
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..It didn't happen.
It was a clever case, but I was basically yawning throughout. I didn't really give a damn about the Yatagarasu or Alba. No emotional involvement for me.
Hmm. I think I'm complaining too much. *vanishes*
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Good Christ it wen't on forever.
I mean usually in all the other games when it becomes blatantly obvious that they're the killer the killer just gives up but oh my god Alba really wanted to get off the hook.
I also think that all of the cases were lackluster theres something about interrogating a man in a theater instead of a courtroom that just dose'nt feel right.
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