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Author: | gems_01 [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:39 am ] |
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Paul Sohn wrote: gems_01 wrote: I agree with someone on here who said that Kay really has no reason to be in this game. I liked that last game she was connected to the main arc whereas in this one she's just there because I guess some crazy s happened a couple weeks ago and now she just wants to hang out with Edgy and Gummy? I still like her I just find her a bit pointless here. Yup, Trucy has no any reason to be in AJ and DD. The whole story could flow without Trucy, really. Also Maya did nothing in GS1-3, 1-4, 2-1, 2-3, 3-2, 3-3, we can delete Maya in almost every case, nothing change!(Possibly honey trap disappears?) How useless, meaningless, pointless they are! More seriously, It's nothing whether if the assistant is linked to the case or not. Assistant is just assistant. Besides, even in GK1 there was a case that Kay wasn't connected to the plot, it's case 3. I get your point, but Trucy is Nick's daughter and Maya is his special someone Whereas Kay is just not really anything to Edgeworth. It made sense she hung around in GK1 because she was ultimately after the Yatagarasu whereas in GK2 she has no purpose. If Edgeworth was a bit more like Nick then the dynamic would be fine and Kay could hang out as long as she pleases, I'm cool with Kay but I just don't feel like they have any sort of special bond that would warrant her spending so much time around him. Maybe it's more I have a problem with Edgeworth's personality in the GK games, even him and Gumshoe are a bad combo. |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:06 am ] |
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Well, there is a case in this game where Kay becomes "involved" in a certain happening... in the way that she comes out of it not quite the same as she had been. Still, it's a temporary thing, and she's back to normal at the end. And the question of Kay's Yatagarasu II is answered at the end of this game. |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:26 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: linkenski wrote: Spoiler: What?! They have, like, the silliest motive in the game! Spoiler: case 2 Spoiler: case 5 Huh, maybe I misunderstood it then. Spoiler: I thought |
Author: | Bad Player [ Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:03 am ] |
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linkenski wrote: Huh, maybe I misunderstood it then. Spoiler: I thought He was already in solitary confinement! xP Spoiler: afaik... |
Author: | linkenski [ Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:14 am ] |
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Alright that is pretty lame :P |
Author: | Broocevelt [ Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:37 pm ] |
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It is lame if you look at it from the Case 2 vilain perspective, but if you look at it from the Case 5 perspective, the crime (still Case 2's) and its motive does add a lot to it. |
Author: | Paul Sohn [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:38 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: I just have to say there's one thing I'll never forgive the writers of Gyakuten Kenji 2 for... Spoiler: I just played case 3, and I have to disagree with this. Indeed Karma isn't so confident as in GS1-4, but he is no wimp, and there's no such scene which you described. I'm not talking about the scene that Gregory saying the sky is blue. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:32 pm ] |
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Oh, my shit. I never thought I would live to see Edgeworth (case 5 spoiler... kinda) Spoiler: |
Author: | Jammin' Ninja [ Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:21 pm ] |
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I just watched it all, thanks to dowolf's great translated walkthrough. Overall, I did like it. Obviously, it's not nearly as good as the original GS trilogy, but obviously I didn't expect it to be. I don't really get why people would compare them. Certainly enjoyed it a lot more than GK1. Although, Spoiler: All Cases I hate cameos too. I could like them in moderation, but they were all over the place in this game and it really is one of the weak points of the game for me. Spoiler: Case 3 Spoiler: Case 5 I enjoyed most cases... except Case 3, which I hated for a truckload of reasons lol. Spoiler: Case 3 Spoiler: Case 5 |
Author: | Bad Player [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:06 am ] |
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Jammin' Ninja wrote: Overall, I did like it. Obviously, it's not nearly as good as the original GS trilogy, but obviously I didn't expect it to be. I don't really get why people would compare them. Certainly enjoyed it a lot more than GK1. Although, Spoiler: All Cases Um... Isn't EVERY SINGLE CASE in the franchise solved in 2-3 days? Also not sure why you don't like having interconnected cases... It lets the stories and motives be much deeper and more complicated than if every case was completely isolated. |
Author: | Paul Sohn [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:56 am ] |
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Jammin' Ninja wrote: Spoiler: All Cases That's GK1. Take a look carefully in timeline. Spoiler: Case Timeline Jammin' Ninja wrote: I hate cameos too. I could like them in moderation, but they were all over the place in this game and it really is one of the weak points of the game for me. Moreover, Spoiler: Case 5 I agree that there are TOO much cameos. Even in case 5, ALL SIDE CHARACTERS ARE CAMEO that was in GS1, except Aizawa(I heard his localized name is John) and Swift. But Ema...? No, she isn't a cameo. Edgeworth couldn't arrest the Mastermind without her scientific investigation. Jammin' Ninja wrote: I enjoyed most cases... except Case 3, which I hated for a truckload of reasons lol. Spoiler: Case 3 Well, Spoiler: Case 3 Jammin' Ninja wrote: Spoiler: Case 5 Agreed. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:27 pm ] |
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I'm currently watching case 5 one "chapter" per day so tomorrow I'll be finishing it and I can't wait! The previous cases, especially 1 and 2, seemed like a long take-off even though they weren't bad, but this final case is really good so far. In general, it's a quite good game, but not fantastic as the previous games have been (I haven't played AAI 1 yet). Seperately the cases didn't stand out that much to me, but as a whole I like them, as they're all connected, which I think is pretty cool. Seeing Gregory was amazing, but as Jammin' Ninja said, the case itself was pretty blah, especially considering what happened after it was brought to court- it should've been more... iconic? As people have said before, the returning characters in this game aren't that well-handled, it feels like they've stretched some of their traits too far. But even so it feels like Edgeworth at least got a little character development in this game as well, [Case 5 spoiler] Spoiler: In my opinion case 1 wasn't that exciting at all, mostly it felt like a drawn out beginning. Case 2 started of pretty well but it wass too damn long. I liked case three, but that was because of Gregory and young Shigaraki, not the case itself. Case 4 was good, not amazing but it raised my expectations. And case five is really nice so far. After all, I can't pass judgement before I've seen the grand finale. The "mastermind", damn... I had not-really-accidentally spoiled it a while ago, but I still felt shocked when Edgey found it out. Woow. And... Will Powers' sprites are the most hideous I've seen in a long time. Bye. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:38 pm ] |
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Jammin' Ninja wrote: Moreover, Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:45 pm ] |
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Paul Sohn wrote: But Ema...? No, she isn't a cameo. Edgeworth couldn't arrest the Mastermind without her scientific investigation. Maybe this is why she didn't pass that exam and enter into forensics. Always having to babysit Edgeworth through his scientific investigations really puts a toll on her, especially with the jet lag. ...New headcanon. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:04 pm ] |
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote: ...New headcanon. Agreed. |
Author: | Jammin' Ninja [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:18 pm ] |
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Paul Sohn wrote: That's GK1. Take a look carefully in timeline. Spoiler: Case Timeline I stand corrected! Thanks. Quote: I agree that there are TOO much cameos. Even in case 5, ALL SIDE CHARACTERS ARE CAMEO that was in GS1, except Aizawa(I heard his localized name is John) and Swift. But Ema...? No, she isn't a cameo. Edgeworth couldn't arrest the Mastermind without her scientific investigation. Yes, no lol. She definitely is a cameo lol. Throughout the GK games, whenever Edgeworth wants scientific evidence, all he has to do is to call a forensic guy and he gets the results within minutes. I know that she sprays luminol in the auction room back when the law was against Edgeworth, but do you really believe that the writers didn't craft their story JUST so that Ema would randomly be included? They could have written the story slightly differently and it wouldn't have affected the main plot in any way, shape or form. Quote: Well, Spoiler: Case 3 Spoiler: Case 3 |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:02 pm ] |
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Game epilogue Spoiler: |
Author: | meleemaster500 [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:17 am ] |
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Finally had the time to play through the patch, gotta say the translation team did excellent work and I cant seem to find any major flaws in the patch. I too found the first case to be to complicated and long for a standard 1st trial in an ace attorney game. I do enjoy when the series isn't afraid to get difficult, as the second case jumps quick to a difficulty harder than one would expect for a second trial. All I can remark about Raymond Shields at this point is that I'm always reminded of fanmade characters when I see his sprite/design. I'm not sure why. It was really cool to see the characters from AA1 and 2 re appear. I always wished Regina Berry was a murderous child who was the real culprit of her fathers death and was the puppet-master of that case. Playing as gumshoe= technically the first time detective work has been played by the player using an actual detective. Those 2 seconds as him were amazing though. By now in the series, I can tell by the sprite of the character who the murderer is going to be. Not sure if its the direct translation from Japanese or part of the game, but people seem to acknowledge each other's name puns more than normal (before debest's usage). because story telling is a tricky thing, the subtleties in the phrases throughout the game give me impressions that I keep arguing with in my head if they're just due to the direct translation. it's like a cross-examination in my mind. The events in this game, though they appear to happen in as short of a time frame as the 1st AAI game, have a lot more cause and effect to them. In the first game, edgeworth is coincidentally thrown in the midst of a bunch of murders one day after another, in like less than a week or 2 (excluding the flashback) being in the wrong place at the wrong time (being involved in murder cases) 4 times in those few of days is insane. but not so in this game (so far as I know) case 1 he's not involved until summoned, and case 2 there was a reason for him to be at the prison and the next murder was set in motion- more realistic just random thoughts, love the game so far *urgently searches for a ladder in the next few cases* (yeah i know it's not a "direct translation") EDIT: seeing no one has posted since i've last posted, and i've beat/watched the game..... case 3 Spoiler: case 4 Spoiler: case 5 Spoiler: completed game Spoiler: -whatev, good game. I wish someone had a translated PLvs PW playthrough, but since that game's likely not canon, there no reason not to play dual destinies and wait for its release |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:08 am ] |
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This is pretty much a big spoiler for The end of the game.. Regarding The Grand Turnabout (Case 5) Spoiler: |
Author: | Bad Player [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:42 am ] |
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The more time passes, the less I like the last case. It just feels so... contrived. Spoiler: Case 5 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:19 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: The more time passes, the less I like the last case. It just feels so... contrived. Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: Case5 I thought I'd give my thoughts about this game. First of all, it's by far my favorite AA game, including the main series. While I do believe some of the complaints for this game (and the previous one) have some merit, I disagree with a lot of them. I also just want to say right out that I actually like Kay Faraday and she's my favorite assistant out of the six, because that seems to be a common complaint about these games Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: Case 2 Spoiler: Case 3 Spoiler: Case 4 Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: Entire Game |
Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:04 pm ] |
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I combined your posts. Try not to double post in the future, please Anyway... JesusMonroe wrote: Bad Player wrote: The more time passes, the less I like the last case. It just feels so... contrived. Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: Case5 Spoiler: Quote: I thought I'd give my thoughts about this game. First of all, it's by far my favorite AA game, including the main series. While I do believe some of the complaints for this game (and the previous one) have some merit, I disagree with a lot of them. I also just want to say right out that I actually like Kay Faraday and she's my favorite assistant out of the six, because that seems to be a common complaint about these games Yesyesyes. It's hard for me to decide between Trucy and GK2!Kay, but they're definitely my favorites. Quote: Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Case 2 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Case 3 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Case 4 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Entire Game Spoiler: |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:59 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: I combined your posts. Try not to double post in the future, please Spoiler: Sorry for the double post Spoiler: Case 5 Quote: Yesyesyes. It's hard for me to decide between Trucy and GK2!Kay, but they're definitely my favorites. Agreed, but I also liked Kay in GK1. Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 1 Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 3 Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 4 Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 5 Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Entire Game |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:59 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Case 1 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Entire Game Spoiler: |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:54 am ] |
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Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 5 Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: General Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 4 |
Author: | Jozerick [ Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:43 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 4 Spoiler: |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:14 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:22 am ] |
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Jozerick wrote: JesusMonroe wrote: Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 4 Spoiler: Bad Player wrote: Spoiler: I guess I can see that. The way the game explained it just got me confused |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:17 pm ] |
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I realized something very clever that the writers did Spoiler: Case 1 and Case 5 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:25 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Minor Case 4 Spoiler (Cameo) |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:45 pm ] |
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Struggling my way through the final bit of case 3!!! TBH 60% of this case has been extremely boring, and I've had trouble with my attention span in this case because of it. The case itself -- IS-7 and the present case is bland IMO, but while it was mostly for the novelty of it, I thought Gregory's part was handled very well. I think the pacing is a real problem in the middle stretch, where you play for like an hour with little to no gameplay at all (except for a few prompted presents). |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:41 pm ] |
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I think GK2-3 and 2-4 are very similar in a way. Both have bland mysteries, both have sections that drag out and become boring, and both are longer than they need to be. However, both cases have great stories that elevate them to some of the best in the series Case 3 is like 8-9 hours or something, right? Spoiler: As for people complaining about von Karma being out of character, nobody seems to mention that this is before he actually killed a guy |
Author: | venser [ Sat May 03, 2014 7:22 pm ] |
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The genius that is Miles Edgeworth is a wonder to behold. Nice thinking there, Edgey. |
Author: | linkenski [ Sun May 04, 2014 8:48 pm ] |
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I will say though that I want to take back what I meant when I said the IS-7 case was "bland". I finished the case just an hour after posting the last comment and you basically get all the good infos in the final moment. I have to agree. This case was actually very good and the motive was properly handled for... well, what seems like the first time ever after having played both AAI and DD prior to GK2. I still do think that 60% of the case had the usual problem where the dialogue is too flat-out exposition-y and the humor is kinda dull, but the way the past and present case got intertwined and the mysteries were actually quite well done IMO. I think I might finally be able to understand why some people say GK2-3 has the best 3rd case in the series, even though I don't agree, but it is definitely up there :-) |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sun May 04, 2014 8:58 pm ] |
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I kind of want a spinoff that follows Isaku Hyodo (Isaac Dover) called Isaku Hyodo: Ace Asshole Out of curiosity, what is your favorite third case? |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon May 05, 2014 7:16 am ] |
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The dialogue often felt very stilted to me, however I don't know if it was in the original or if it was the translation. On the same note, Edgeworth was quite overly... pretentious. I mean he's certainly got tendencies to be otherwise as well, but not to the extent he was at times in this game. Again, it might be due to translation difficulties, I don't know. |
Author: | linkenski [ Mon May 05, 2014 9:20 am ] |
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It's two things that make the dialogue stilted. 1) The fan-patch hasn't sped up the text speed enough, so it doesn't feel very alive. Play PW:AA or Apollo Justice and notice how fast the words are scrolling for the most part. 2) The writing itself: There are several things that make it bad IMO. The jokes feel forced or nonsensical a lot of times. I'm pretty confident this is not the translation's fault (tough it might be occasionally) becasue this issue is also present in AAI and Dual Destinies. But aside from the jokes 60% of the time you're playing the characters are just stating all the facts aka. pure exposition and while it ensures you follow the logic, it lacks personality and feels as if it's just the writer who's using his characters as a mouthpiece to lay all the cards on the table. Really, notice this when you play it, there are sometimes several minutes where it almost feels like you're reading from a notesheet that just states all the scenario's details. The characters can sound borderline robotic. Of course this is just my viewpoint. I don't mean to say "that's just how it is" I might be wrong. Oh, and JesusMonroe: I'd probably say 3-3 is my favorite 3rd case. It might not have the most sympathetic motive for the villain :P but it is so full of hysterical dialogue and I like the investigation segments in it... not to mention Godot is super funny as well. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon May 05, 2014 6:18 pm ] |
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I haven't played the patch so I can't say anything about that, but otherwise you make a valid point. I guess that's my problem with it as well. |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue May 06, 2014 4:12 pm ] |
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Does that also mean you haven't seen or played the entirety of AAI2-3? I have to say, I didn't expect it to be as good as it was, because I haven't really seen the same quality in neither DD nor AAI before. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Tue May 06, 2014 4:20 pm ] |
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I did see it on Youtube a while ago. It didn't stand out to me that much on its own, the fact that it had Gregory in it was what made it memorable I think, although it's a bit hard to judge, especially since it's been some time since I saw it. I mean, it was a good case, no doubt about it, but not a favourite of mine. One thing I liked though, was that Spoiler: |
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