Court Records https://forums.court-records.net/ |
|
Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- https://forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=32342 |
Page 2 of 2 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
It kind of depends on the situation for me I guess Spoiler: 6-2 |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
JesusMonroe wrote: It kind of depends on the situation for me I guess Spoiler: 6-2 Spoiler: |
Author: | Nurio [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Gotta agree there. DD's DLC villain was worse for the reason you mentioned. And it's also less bad if it's a small case instead of a big case. But I'm still not a fan regardless |
Author: | scarlet-flowers [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
JesusMonroe wrote: A lot of people bring up justification for Nayuta's behavior in cases 2-4 but I honestly don't think it really needs much justification. I think he's just rude, like that's his personality. Blackquill was rude in DD too and still is in 6-4 Nayuta isn't just a monk, he's a sharp-tongued monk. That's the prosecutor gimmick this time around. I don't blame anyone for not liking him because he is rude, but I don't think a huge justification is needed for it. He is who he is Not really trying to excuse what he does at all. In fact, I'm kinda bummed out that he turned out the way he did because I really did want to like him. I'm just pointing out why it's unreasonable to expect him to act differently out of the country. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Yay a post of mine hit more than one page! -cough- Anyway.... I really do love over the top transformations and breakdowns. AA I feel as always been about the craziness and zaniness of the court system,and the transformations go hand in hand with that. |
Author: | luck [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Going for Miles wrote: JesusMonroe wrote: It kind of depends on the situation for me I guess Spoiler: 6-2 Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
^Well played. |
Author: | Nurio [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
JesusMonroe wrote: It kind of depends on the situation for me I guess Spoiler: 6-2 Spoiler: 6-1, 6-2 |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
I know,but that's sort of the turning point of the case. You've aggravated the killer to the point that they've transformed completely. This also fools veterans into thinking that the case is near completion. Spoiler: obvious 6-1 |
Author: | Nurio [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Actually, I think veterans... Spoiler: That's how I interpreted it anyhow. And yeah, I don't mind villains showing their true colors if they're unmasked or aggravated. A very simple example is Frank Sahwit. He gets cornered more and more to the point he just bursts out in anger and throws his toupet (which I refuse to write as toupee =P) at Phoenix showing he's actually balding, and then later gets so worked up he foams at the mouth and faints. But he doesn't completely transform. He doesn't become a different person with a different voice and pulls out enormous stuff out of nowhere. I know it's Ace Attorney, but that's just too unrealistic to me. It should make more sense since it's at such an important part during the trial, when things get real |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
My general rule of transformations is "if I can't see the pre-transformation and post-transformation as the same character, I don't like it." The exception to this rule is 2-4 but it's also not really an exception because I can see the villain as the same character in that case, probably due to the design still being so similar There are also other exceptions I guess. Like I can't even remember what I-5's villain was like before the transformation. In this case, the post-transformation IS the character 5-3, 5-DLC, 6-1, and 6-5 are ones I don't really like too much |
Author: | Nurio [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
JesusMonroe wrote: My general rule of transformations is "if I can't see the pre-transformation and post-transformation as the same character, I don't like it." That's a good way to put it, and I agree. As long as you still feel like you're dealing with the same person, it's all good. (Exceptions are the times it literally isn't the same person or identity.) |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
I dunno,I felt that the villain was the same person Pre and post transformation,just a bit more meaner in the latter. |
Author: | Nurio [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Southern Corn wrote: I dunno,I felt that the villain was the same person Pre and post transformation,just a bit more meaner in the latter. It surely wasn't as bad as the physical transformation in 5-DLC, but it still felt unnatural. It feels like a gag and serving no other purpose than "haha", except it wasn't funny. I mean, Spoiler: 6-1 Spoiler: 5-3 |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Alright,time to finally reply in spoiler tags :P Spoiler: 6-1 and 5-3 I think we might have to agree to disagree on this one. |
Author: | Nurio [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
I disagree to disagree! ...No, just kidding. Yes, let's. I also didn't actually expect to convince you or anyone else, anyway. It's more me trying to explain why I didn't like the transformations |
Author: | WaitingforGodot [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Inga. He's just plain nasty. Spoiler: 6-5 |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
I like sometimes having pre- and post-transformations be very similar like Alita Tiala in AJAA. Not all villains have to change form IMO because it ends up feeling too much like a gimmick. My least favorite is probably the culprit of 6-3. Plain boring. Saw it coming. The animations and behavior makes the suspicion too obvious the first day. I don't even remember any lines or any sense of presence and their story didn't have the emotional impact on me that it seemed to have with others. It was just a really bland character IMO. Second would maybe be the politician dude. I actually think he's entertaining and I like his design... but what the hell is he doing in that case? Him and the helicopter girl felt stylistically out of place for the scenario. I don't mind the girl as much because I can get behind there being some kid with an active imagination in their home, but she loses points for being a Vera Misham 2.0 in "Apollo Justice 2". I feel like you can tell the writers said "Okay, this is Apollo's final act like Phoenix's in T&T! We have to look at what was done in AJAA" and they just ended up reusing a theme of 4-4 the same way. |
Author: | Bolting Shaman [ Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
To paraphrase everyone's answer: The monk is a dick Spoiler: 6-2 |
Author: | Smithee [ Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Not sure if this actually counts, but... Spoiler: 6-6 |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Smithee wrote: Not sure if this actually counts, but... Spoiler: 6-6 Spoiler: 6-S Anyway, the Case 3 culprit sucked balls. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
All the returnees from 6-6 act off character one way or another, but Edgeworth's pretty bad by himself. |
Author: | linkenski [ Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
It's very strange because despite some oddities in AAI1 here and there they mostly handled Edgeworth right in those games I thought but in DD and SoJ he just doesn't feel like he's the Edgeworth you know I don't think. They really didn't nail him as the rival character and I guess maybe that's the problem. They get how to write him when he's just discussing stuff with Nick during the case or small talk but when they have to do that "Wright vs Edgeworth" chemistry in court they fail at it. I thought 6-6 treated him better than 5-5 though. That was particularly disappointing I thought. |
Author: | Metal Gear Acid Trip [ Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Having Amara be revealed as a goddess-like figure and then be super menacing when you oppose her and then seeing her realize that she lurrves her husband is really stupid. You cannot do that with a character you meet in the same day in court. You just can't. This change in character takes place over the course of maybe two or three hours at most. The dramatic reveal of seeing Nahyuta realize that Amara is alive feels blunted as well though I cannot remember how. The rather precipitous drop in tension was...not good I maintain that Dhurke is annoying I think that's it. I have positive reactions to many of the characters in this game, besides Nahyuta (not properly differentiated) and Rayfa (way to steal Maya's thunder, even if I still like her somewhat and her development was amazing) |
Author: | Danchat [ Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Metal Gear Acid Trip wrote: Having Amara be revealed as a goddess-like figure and then be super menacing when you oppose her and then seeing her realize that she lurrves her husband is really stupid. You cannot do that with a character you meet in the same day in court. You just can't. This change in character takes place over the course of maybe two or three hours at most. The dramatic reveal of seeing Nahyuta realize that Amara is alive feels blunted as well though I cannot remember how. The rather precipitous drop in tension was...not good I maintain that Dhurke is annoying I think that's it. I have positive reactions to many of the characters in this game, besides Nahyuta (not properly differentiated) and Rayfa (way to steal Maya's thunder, even if I still like her somewhat and her development was amazing) I think you're right, Amara had the potential to be more... she went from disguised as Nayna for just one witness testimony, gets revealed, tries to blame Dhurke, and then is basically executed on the witness stand. Everything happens very fast, maybe too fast. Perhaps this case would have been better if it had extended to two days long? I'm not sure what exactly would happen during the second investigation phase, but the second day in court would start with the now-revealed Amara testifying right after learning of Dhurke's death, then she gets shot and the queen's true nature is revealed (instead of revealing that ridiculous outfit right at the start of the trial!). Maybe that bloats the case too much, but maybe you spin off the first half (the civil trial) as Case 5 and the rest becomes Case 6. |
Author: | linkenski [ Sat May 26, 2018 2:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Least Favourite Character from SoJ? -_Spoilers_- |
Nurio wrote: JesusMonroe wrote: My general rule of transformations is "if I can't see the pre-transformation and post-transformation as the same character, I don't like it." That's a good way to put it, and I agree. As long as you still feel like you're dealing with the same person, it's all good. (Exceptions are the times it literally isn't the same person or identity.) I only give DD-DLC's character a free pass because... while he might have a good story, he has a rather silly design (the good kind) and his transformation is that silliness taken to another extreme and also part of the joy of that transformation is exactly in how it's basically not the same character lol. But the same thing couldn't be said for 6-5's biggest transformation. I think the problem there was we barely got to know the original form before they just become completely different. Then the culprit was basically revealed right then and there and the rest of the case became like I-5's culprit confrontation: dragging on for eternity and removing any doubt in the player's mind and this took away from a series of decent emotional payoffs throughout the rest of the case. I thought this really sucked the suspense out of the entire latter portion of 6-5. |
Page 2 of 2 | All times are UTC |
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/ |