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Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:19 am ] |
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Gerkuman wrote: I liked that about it. Case 4 isn't a final case contender though, even for the earlier games. I feel like if Case 4 was longer, it might've been. Especially if there was some build-up to it. Heh.. a game about rakugo and inheritance... |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:28 pm ] |
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Author: | linkenski [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:26 pm ] |
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They over-redesigned Revisualization :/ Now it's lame. Why did they change it anyway? it was great in DD. Now it's all distracting visually and the noise of the throughline is loud too, and when the answers pop up it looks really goofy. |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:48 pm ] |
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linkenski wrote: They over-redesigned Revisualization :/ Now it's lame. Why did they change it anyway? it was great in DD. Now it's all distracting visually and the noise of the throughline is loud too, and when the answers pop up it looks really goofy. Huh, I thought the new revisualization was miles better. I loved the art style, and how it felt like you were breaking through through and finding the truth. |
Author: | NinjaMonkey [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:24 pm ] |
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I'm only part way through Part 3's trial. but so far the entire game has been nothing but garbage, so much so that I'd rather play AJ than this. I cannot put into words how much I hate the Divine Seances. Finally, on the subject of AJ, the fingerprint examination parts are so better in that game than they are in SoJ. |
Author: | ThePaSch [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:34 am ] |
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linkenski wrote: and when the answers pop up it looks really goofy I like the new Thought Route look, but I do agree that it looks goofy when the answers pop up (both the individual ones and the big conclusion). I'd also have liked for the individual answers to stay on screen like they did in AA5 instead of immediately disappearing. I dig the new "forward towards truth" aesthetic, but you're right in that it is a tad overdesigned. |
Author: | Ash [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:50 am ] |
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I loved how the presentation of the Thought Route in this game. Much more dynamic and the way the final answer appears was great. I never did really like going from one side to the other in the previous game, actually, and going in the depth was much better. BUT, now I kinda wonder how it looks like in the English version. In the Japanese version, the way the characters appear are a nice homage to the credits in the Ichikawa Kon films of Kindaichi Kousuke (really famous series of mystery films, that kicked off Kadokawa's film business), but the 'going around corner' presentation doesn't really work in English, probably. |
Author: | linkenski [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:20 pm ] |
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I dunno, it just looks really goofy to me. It's more bouncy and the visuals draw attention to themselves. It's like it's too much whereas in DD I loved how you could see the protagonist closing their eyes in the middle of the screen faded out, as to show that this is a chain of thought that happens in a split second slowed down. Now it feels like some kind of audiosurfer minigame. |
Author: | Nerdowl [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:35 pm ] |
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D.A. McCoy wrote: I don't care for Godot either. He's the weakest prosecutor in my opinion character-wise - not because he doesn't have characterization (he's actually more developed than a lot of the others) but because I thought his whole arc wasn't well-written, specifically the part about hating Wright for a stupid reason and then suddenly having an epiphany about it at the end. I thought it could have been better told. Still, I would say that a lot of the overall plots of these games work best when you play all the cases in the game in the order intended.I'd recommend going and playing the games you didn't complete at once at some point (not talking about playing all the games themselves in order necessarily, but rather if you're going to play one of the games I'd play through it all before playing the next one. AA1, AA2, AAi and AA5 I played all the cases together (in the case of AA1 that meant replaying a couple of cases but the other 3 I did all in order the very first time) so it was only AJ and AA3 that I didn't. AA3 I would have done had I taken my iPad with me on holiday. But yeah I should go back and replay those two at some point (probably not yet as I only completed AJ for the first time the other week). ThePaSch wrote: Does anyone actually enjoy the fingerprinting parts? In both of the occasions that mechanic has popped up so far, I was just about ready to throw my 3DS at the wall and ended up having to look up the asinine position of some obscure fingerprint that ended up meaning exactly zilch in later trials. Most obnoxious mechanic in the series. I just hope it doesn't pop up again. Yes! This 3D examining for fingerprints really isn't working - especially on the small screen of the 3DS. Oddly enough I think this bit would be better on iOS because an iPad size screen would be easier to navigate. (I say oddly because Rise from the Ashes was completely bugged on iOS and selecting the fingerprints there was a guessing game). I'm glad they added the button so you're not blowing into the mic all the time - but I do think they should have given you a larger bottle of fingerprinting powder so you didn't need to clear what you had marked off quite so often. What I don't want them to do though is get rid of forensics entirely again. I've always liked that mechani, but it doesn't seem to have translated well when Spoiler: SoJ Case 2 The fingerprinting aside, I've really enjoyed both the cases I've played so far! The first case was really intense and the second one was extremely emotional. |
Author: | MBr [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:11 pm ] |
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Since we're on the Revisualization/Thought Route, I think a combination of what DD and SoJ did would be the best. We should have the playable character with their eyes closed in the background and the previous deductions to be visible like in DD. I think having the light travel upwards as opposed to to the side works better in SoJ. That said, thinking back to the previous games in this series, this game is the most daring since AJ. Spoiler: I'm talking about |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:04 pm ] |
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This game seems very "love it or hate it" from what I see so far of other's opinions. Personally, I really enjoy the game (again, mostly Cases 2 and 4 because I like "filler") |
Author: | linkenski [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:34 pm ] |
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For me it's kinda like DD but not as derivative (but that's not to say it isn't ever... whoo-boy!) . It starts out strong and sends you on a rollercoaster of emotions already in case 1, but then by 2 a few things start grating on you but it's okay... then stuff like that keeps happening and by the end of it you're satisfied but also exhausted, and then when case 3 starts I dunno, I like it but I also have this feeling of dread that as soon as the trial begins it will have some of the same pacing issues, and by the time i reach case 5 I probably feel drained and have a hard time concentrating as with AAI, AAI2 and DD (give or take PLvPWAA because of that slog of a final trial) I like it, but look at this, I got it 5 days ago and I find myself playing it in very short bursts and I haven't even made it to day 3 trial in case 3. Normally I'd be excited and eager to press on but I really have to put it down at times. I don't just think it's SoJ that does it, I think it's the franchise in general. Love it, but I'm starting to feel like I'm going through the motions with them. I think I'm also tired of how increasingly long these games are. Some people finished this in more than 30 hours. The first game was like 8 hours and it was perfect to me for the kind of game that it was. Sometimes I wish they would stop striving for 5 cases and superfluous lines of dialogue just to have more text and just cut everything down so it's nice and consise and maybe reduce the cast to half the size at this point. Seriously, it's getting too big, and I'm also starting to miss just having one protagonist that I experience everything in the game as. |
Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:15 pm ] |
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Overall, I think it's one of the weaker mainline entries. I'd definitely put it below T&T, DD, and the original; not entirely sure about AJ or JFA. I think the big problem is that the game tries to do too much new, to the point where it's unable to give the proper attention and buildup for its main plotlines, the biggest offender of all being... Spoiler: Broadly speaking, it feels like SoJ tries to do for Apollo what T&T did for Phoenix; introduce a new part of his backstory and then use it along with what we already know about him to significantly develop him as a lawyer. But T&T didn't wait until the very last case to start introducing those themes. I'm all for the series being adventurous going forward, but I think we definitely need to start focusing on a smaller, core group of characters. Perhaps part of the reason why SoJ struggled with really developing its main themes is it tries to give an important role to every major non-criminal character from Dual Destinies, as well introduce Maya, and then bring in all of its new stuff as well. There's no way that a game with five cases, one of which is entirely unrelated to the main plot, is going to be able to give proper development for all of that. In short, I like the direction that SoJ tried to go in; it had some really creative moments and, difficulty wise, I think it was about as well balanced as an AA game has ever been. I especially like how the ending really sets Apollo apart from Phoenix as his own character, and I seriously hope they do something with him going forward. There's just too much to focus on, however. Didn't think I'd be criticizing a game for trying too much new stuff, but here I am. |
Author: | FenFen [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:32 am ] |
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30 hours you say? Well damn, that is a long time. Anyways, I've been enjoying the game minus the fingerprinting section which thankfully passed a while ago. First two cases were damn fun to play. I see that it's a bit all over the place based on what y'all have said, perhaps rough around the edges with a good direction but cluttered execution. I'll have to see, but my schedule is tight so I'm not certain as to when I'll even finish. It seems mixed, but I think I'll have a soft spot for it despite some flaws, kinda like AJ for me. Generally, I tend to see all the games as at the very least decent, some decent with some major flaws but somewhat enjoyable (AJ, DD and AA2), some pretty good (AA1) and a few as damn excellent (AA3). So, in the end, if it ends up being below what I expected, I shan't be too down, I'll just take what I get and be hyped about those good aspects. |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:59 am ] |
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Comparing the amount of main characters that go through significant character development between DD and SoJ: Spoiler: DD and SOJ spoilers |
Author: | Ash [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:09 am ] |
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linkenski wrote: I think I'm also tired of how increasingly long these games are. Some people finished this in more than 30 hours. The first game was like 8 hours and it was perfect to me for the kind of game that it was. Sometimes I wish they would stop striving for 5 cases and superfluous lines of dialogue just to have more text and just cut everything down so it's nice and consise and maybe reduce the cast to half the size at this point. Seriously, it's getting too big, and I'm also starting to miss just having one protagonist that I experience everything in the game as. But reading speed is a very important factor here. I for example finished AA6 (main game) in 24 hours, and while I'm a fairly fast reader in Japanese, I'm much faster in both my mother tongue and English. A few weeks back, I looked at the average of how long it took people to beat AA5. I can't even understand how that's the average, because I did it below the 18 hours >_> |
Author: | SuperAj3 [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:59 am ] |
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I'm up to case 4 now and so far I'm loving this game! Literally not sure why everyone's complaining about it (I'll start looking into the debates once I've cleared the game). Unless case 5 does something crazy I call bull on all the negativity. So far the writing's been excellent! The plots are easy to follow, and at least to me they're making sense. A little disappointed investigation is still linear though (Magatama segments are few in case 3 and only appear when you have all the evidence, so it's a watered down version of how they were intended in the original trilogy). Spoiler: Case 3 spoilers |
Author: | Gerkuman [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:19 pm ] |
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I think your milage of the game will vary depending on if it grabbed you. For me, it really did. (Again, case 4 was the only one that didn't, and even then I cared for one of the witnesses.) Anecdotally more people I know like this game than don't like it. But as CR is full of passionate people, you get a wide mix of opinion. People argue over 2-4 vs 3-5, Godot, and the relative qualities of AJ and DD. The only general thing people agree on is that the first game is good (and even then, some like it more than others, and there's Rise from the Ashes to contend with.) It's why I have to suppress my blind need to defend the games. It doesn't help, and just because I'm one of the rare people who likes every single game in the series doesn't mean that I have to react to others disliking them. |
Author: | D.A. McCoy [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:27 pm ] |
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So I completed Case 2 last night. I'm on Day 1 of investigation so far. Non-spoiler thoughts: * I really am loving this game. I haven't been disappointed in anything and I thought the first two cases were great. My minor issues with them don't really detract from them. * The music is really great. It seems like a lot of the Japanifornia stuff is kind of a tribute to the whole franchise. I keep hearing little pieces of melodies from all the games appearing in interesting places in the new songs. I much prefer the court begins themes in this game to the DD one, and I like all the cross-examination music. The only one I've found unmemorable so far is the Tell the Truth one (I think), but honestly in my opinion the only real memorable Tell the Truth themes were GS1 and T&T so I don't really care much for the others anyway. * It seems like this game is following the AAI games in that all of the events are going to occur close together. This isn't a problem, although I do miss the whole "the game takes place over 6 to 9 months" timeline that most of the games do. On the other hand, DD did this recently, and the close time frame kind of fits with what the game's story is. (And, of course, I'm only on Case 3, so I might be wrong, but I also don't really think that Case 5 is going to happen 8 months after Case 1). I already put down quick Case 1 thoughts, so here are my case 2 thoughts. Spoiler: Case 2 Spoiler: Probable spoilers for Case 3/4/5 - I don't know any real info but I have hypothesis based on reactions I've heard, so if you don't want to hear the possible trajectory of the plot DON'T READ Once again, those are just thoughts based on people's reactions to supposed spoilers. I don't know any actual spoilers so please continue to tag them if you're going to bring them up haha! |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:44 pm ] |
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I just realised that the Japanifornia cases are kinda like epilogue cases to AJ(6-2 and the first half of 6-5) and DD(6-4). |
Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:00 pm ] |
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SuperAj3 wrote: I'm up to case 4 now and so far I'm loving this game! Literally not sure why everyone's complaining about it (I'll start looking into the debates once I've cleared the game). Unless case 5 does something crazy I call bull on all the negativity. So far the writing's been excellent! The plots are easy to follow, and at least to me they're making sense. A little disappointed investigation is still linear though (Magatama segments are few in case 3 and only appear when you have all the evidence, so it's a watered down version of how they were intended in the original trilogy). Spoiler: Case 3 spoilers Well, having beaten the game myself and discussed it with someone who has almost beaten it as well, I can say that just about all of our negativity focuses on the last two cases. So I'd say finish the game, and then see what you think. |
Author: | Apollon [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:34 pm ] |
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After having cooled down a bit about the ending, I can say that I thought the game was really good despite some rough parts. If nothing else, you have to admire Yamazaki for making a game so unconventional. Really my only big problem with it is the pacing is utterly insane, but there's plenty of really good aspects. I thought that the writing was much more enjoyable than DD in general, particularly banter during the investigations. I thought there was some nice character development all around too, with many characters getting little moments when I thought they would be glossed over (not all of them though!). I enjoyed Rayfa waaaaay way more than I thought I would, it's pretty fun to have an assistant who antagonizes you all the time. The difficulty is back up, and you can poke around everywhere in investigations, so really the game is basically DD but more daring and with more of everything. I've warmed up to that lovely divisive ending too. Spoiler: Ending I'm looking forward to giving this game a replay and seeing how it feels the second time though! |
Author: | Kessler [ Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:10 am ] |
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This game is gonna be great during a second playthrough... and my little sister kind of forced me to play with her... so only 4 hours after I finished the game... I'm starting it again |
Author: | Insanity Brit [ Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:57 am ] |
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I finished it a few hours ago and I dare say it might be my favourite game in the entire franchise. There was really no holding back in the content of each and every case, though I wish case 4 could've been longer, even if it's just a filler case. Maybe having an investigation segment before or something. Spoiler: Spoiler: Not really a spoiler but a stupid screencap |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:04 am ] |
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Insanity Brit wrote: I finished it a few hours ago and I dare say it might be my favourite game in the entire franchise. There was really no holding back in the content of each and every case, though I wish case 4 could've been longer, even if it's just a filler case. Maybe having an investigation segment before or something. I would loved Case 4 even more if it was kinda structured like The Cosmic Turnabout; trial->investigation->trial But I guess they wanted to keep the Japanifornia cases to one day |
Author: | NinjaMonkey [ Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:47 pm ] |
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I'm on the second day of case three, and I'm hating this game even more than I did previously. Not only that, but I'm convinced that Divination Seances are the worst mechanic that has been implemented in ANY game ever made (even worse than tripping in Super Smash Bros. Brawl). Here's to them not appearing in AA7. |
Author: | ThePaSch [ Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:04 pm ] |
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NinjaMonkey wrote: I'm on the second day of case three, and I'm hating this game even more than I did previously. Not only that, but I'm convinced that Divination Seances are the worst mechanic that has been implemented in ANY game ever made (even worse than tripping in Super Smash Bros. Brawl). Here's to them not appearing in AA7. No one's forcing you to keep playing (and complaining), y'know. |
Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:29 pm ] |
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ThePaSch wrote: NinjaMonkey wrote: I'm on the second day of case three, and I'm hating this game even more than I did previously. Not only that, but I'm convinced that Divination Seances are the worst mechanic that has been implemented in ANY game ever made (even worse than tripping in Super Smash Bros. Brawl). Here's to them not appearing in AA7. No one's forcing you to keep playing (and complaining), y'know. ...I think it's fair to complain about a mechanic on a thread that is quite literally devoted to expressing your opinions about the game. |
Author: | ThePaSch [ Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:35 pm ] |
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It is. I guess It just kinda irked me how all of his posts seem to be about how he hates the game more than anything else in the world and little else. It's fine to not like the game, and it's fine to express one's opinion, but I don't see why repeatedly pointing out just how garbage the game is would be necessary. |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:07 pm ] |
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This has nothing to do with the game itself I think, but this has probably been the slowest I have ever taken to get through an Ace Attorney game. I think it's just where I am in life right now with lots of things to do and little time for the game, so I have only managed to take one segment at a day, and I even hesitated from picking the game up entirely some days. It's nice, so I make it last long but I can't figure out if my reluctance is also from franchise fatigue. I think SoJ is already not my favorite due to how it doesn't have that "I can't put it down" feeling but regardless it's IMHO much better than Dual Destinies. I just went back and played a few parts of DD in a break from SoJ today, and dear lord, the writing, especially in case 3 of that game, was just not good. If it wasn't for how amazing AJAA was whenever it isn't god awful (4-3!) SoJ would be the one to make me say "best game since the trilogy". But at the very least I actually think this could become my favorite Tamazaki game. It doesn't quite have the pacing DD did at least manage to have and it does dabble in themes that are unusual for the signature style established particularly with T&T, but this game is just so fresh in a weird way and most of the dialogue feels on point and not forced or tryhard (only the lawyer hate at times), the seances are okay IMHO, and I feel like this is the first truly forward moving game I have played since T&T, where I just want to progress the plot to see what happens next (whenever I do get to play it.) |
Author: | NinjaMonkey [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:33 am ] |
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ThePaSch wrote: It is. I guess It just kinda irked me how all of his posts seem to be about how he hates the game more than anything else in the world and little else. It's fine to not like the game, and it's fine to express one's opinion, but I don't see why repeatedly pointing out just how garbage the game is would be necessary. Okay, I was overreacting when I labelled the game as "garbage", but I really find those Divination Seances to be very, very frustrating. |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:15 am ] |
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NinjaMonkey wrote: ThePaSch wrote: It is. I guess It just kinda irked me how all of his posts seem to be about how he hates the game more than anything else in the world and little else. It's fine to not like the game, and it's fine to express one's opinion, but I don't see why repeatedly pointing out just how garbage the game is would be necessary. Okay, I was overreacting when I labelled the game as "garbage", but I really find those Divination Seances to be very, very frustrating. It's certainly not my FAVOURITE of the mechanics, but I like it enough. Not as much as the Mood Matrix, at least (which is part of the reason I like the Japanifornia cases more), because the D.S's I had a bit of a hard time working with. |
Author: | D.A. McCoy [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:48 pm ] |
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Take these opinions with a grain of salt, as I tend to look at things in a very positive light the first time through and then find more flaws on replays, but so far the divination seance might actually be in my opinion one of the best mechanics. I generally love all of the mechanics in this series, but one thing that always irks me a bit with Apollo's bracelet (a mini game which I love) and the Mood Matrix is that the characters just kind of decide at what point to use them, without a real solid foundation as to why it's good to use it now rather than some other time. This is especially apparent with Apollo's bracelet. In AJ most of the time the button to use it is onscreen all the time, but only at certain points will it be clickable. Often it will go from greyed-out to clickable with no explanation, and Apollo doesn't always make a statement about it beforehand. It's ok though because I find it so fun to play. The Mood Matrix gets a better introduction - usually a witness is in need of "therapy" - but it still sometimes feels kind of random and since there are only four options it tends to be pretty easy. I still really enjoy it though! What I like about the Divination Seance is that A) It gets pretty hard sometimes, B) It's very flashy and visual, and C) It has a standard time and place in the courtroom. What I mean is that unlike the two mini-games listed above, the Divination Seance is almost like a "pre-cross examination" which Phoenix must successfully disprove before going on to the "normal" gameplay. Once it's done it doesn't seem to pop up again. I like that routine aspect of it. I also just think it's cool (the seance for Case 3 Day 1 is pretty creepy in my opinion). However, I can see that if people are having trouble with it it can get tedious fast. Some thoughts on case 3 so far (I'm almost done (I think) with Investigation Day 2: Spoiler: Case 3 Also, one thing I found makes me wonder if I found something not everyone did (I tried to be as vague as possible in the spoiler tag title but I also want people to only read it if they've seen what I'm talking about: Spoiler: Case 3 - don't read until you're already on the last trial of Case 3 and you know what I'm talking about when I say "the photo on the wall with 3 men in it that you can only find in the 2nd investigation segment when you are alone" |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:13 pm ] |
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D.A. McCoy wrote: Spoiler: Case 3 Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Case 3 - don't read until you're already on the last trial of Case 3 and you know what I'm talking about when I say "the photo on the wall with 3 men in it that you can only find in the 2nd investigation segment when you are alone" Spoiler: |
Author: | Toatali [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:30 pm ] |
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I wrote a 4,000 word review of the game for my blog; https://toatalireviews.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/review-phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-spirit-of-justice/. Hope this isn't too self-advertise-y, so TL;DR, I liked it. EDIT: Should say it's very spoilerific, for every game in the series (except DGS) |
Author: | D.A. McCoy [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:33 pm ] |
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 3 |
Author: | Zekrom025 [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:38 pm ] |
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D.A. McCoy wrote: Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 3 Spoiler: |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:42 pm ] |
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D.A. McCoy wrote: I get that it's AA and it has to have humor, but I don't think it really fits in the rest of the context surrounding the DC act and the grim nature of the trials here. I think he should stay serious and then the witnesses should be the humorous ones (like TBD, who I thought was pretty great) Oh, I have a big counterpoint to this one. Consider for a moment how silly Khura'in and the DC Act actually is, and of course consider the Justice Minister's design (I mean, this bigwig is basically a central villain from the get-go). The whole thing screams "camp" and that's where the humor comes in. It's a premise that's so hard to take seriously at times (though I'm not saying it never works! Personally I'm super into it) they actually often use comedy to aknowledge how far out this is, I feel. That said, I think Sahdmadhi's jokes are super unfunny in general though. The rest of the cast fares better. But basically, every time they say something about "Death to attorneys!" you can't take it too seriously, and I'm pretty sure the game spouts this stuff with the tongue in the cheek just like Mr. Inga does. It's basically like the same scenario as these new grimdark superhero movies. The best ones know to throw in some comedy now and then and a lot of people criticised the infamous BvS for having "characters that always look serious". To my knowledge it's better to have more humor the darker and grittier the overall tone is, unless you want the audience to feel depressed when it's over. |
Author: | D.A. McCoy [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: What do you think of Spirit of Justice? |
linkenski wrote: D.A. McCoy wrote: I get that it's AA and it has to have humor, but I don't think it really fits in the rest of the context surrounding the DC act and the grim nature of the trials here. I think he should stay serious and then the witnesses should be the humorous ones (like TBD, who I thought was pretty great) Oh, I have a big counterpoint to this one. Consider for a moment how silly Khura'in and the DC Act actually is, and of course consider the Justice Minister's design (I mean, this bigwig is basically a central villain from the get-go). The whole thing screams "camp" and that's where the humor comes in. It's a premise that's so hard to take seriously at times (though I'm not saying it never works! Personally I'm super into it) they actually often use comedy to aknowledge how far out this is, I feel. That said, I think Sahdmadhi's jokes are super unfunny in general though. The rest of the cast fares better. But basically, every time they say something about "Death to attorneys!" you can't take it too seriously, and I'm pretty sure the game spouts this stuff with the tongue in the cheek just like Mr. Inga does. It's basically like the same scenario as these new grimdark superhero movies. The best ones know to throw in some comedy now and then and a lot of people criticised the infamous BvS for having "characters that always look serious". To my knowledge it's better to have more humor the darker and grittier the overall tone is, unless you want the audience to feel depressed when it's over. Spoiler: put it in spoiler tages just to be safe |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: What do you think of Spirit of Justice? |
Spoiler: conceded Really the problem here is the same as Lang talking anecdotes of his Lang-Zi or Courtney saying... something about a "Goddess of Law" all the time. It just doesn't really resonate and starts to get annoying when they increasingly delve into it. I think you're kind of right in the end that Nahyuta lacks a bit of something to give him a presence you fear. He's just very stale as a rival, as opposed to other elements of Khura'in that similarly cement the fact that Lawyers are losers that need to be punished. |
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