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| Author: | RoyalTanki [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
This is a general discussion thread for the sixteenth episode of the Ace Attorney anime, "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial". |
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| Author: | RoyalTanki [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
Pretty good episode, putting aside my general issues with the series (animation, sound, directing, etc.) I'm liking that the show is finally not just copying the games 1:1 (well, excluding a couple of bad directorial decisions), and this attempt is a lot more successful than the last case as of right now. I have a bit more hope it can end on a high note this time. 7/10 |
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| Author: | WildSandwich [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
Kinda surprised they're not including the magatama even remotely. Curious if that'll just flat out not appear in the anime or if they'll eventually introduce it but only really have it come into play in 2-4 or something, aside from, say, a possible intro in 2-3. Solid episode, I continue to love how likeable and kinda sweet they make the side characters like Lotta, who basically are against Phoenix but later feel like crap when they realize they're in the wrong. Pearl is also still a complete ball of adorable. |
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| Author: | henke37 [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
One scene in and there is already an inconsistency. The scene with Phoenix and Pearl has a glaring problem! The lunchboxes disappeared. In all seriousness, the issue is that they completely replaced the pshyche locks for Pearl with Phoenix asking really nicely. It was supposed to be a big secret due to how embaresing the situation is for her. Now she spills just by being asked nicely? Come on. And now Lotta is the one to spill the beans of Ini's surgery? They wrote out a most interesting character there! And they ruined the mood of Ini's locks too. Besides replacing them that is. The locks had a key topic change that just doesn't happen here. But I do have to say that it is nice to see some genuine Mother/Daughter interactions. I just wish that they'd stop writing out key moments. Every pshyche lock was important here. They keep cutting so many corners that they miss key character arcs. The thing with Mia being uncooperative was important. |
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| Author: | Sebastian Stark [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
The narrative lack of the magatama is questionable, but I feel like they simply didn't know how to implement it in an anime environment...and considering how this anime can fail with even some of the simpler scenes in that regard, I feel like it's a choice that simply can't be helped here. It's a disappointing exclusion, and certainly a point against them...but I suppose I can't quite see how you can easily add the magatama to something as dynamic as a fully-fleshed anime environment and have it fit, whereas the gameplay version of the magatama works more naturally in the 2D landscape. Eh, a definite negative element for sure but it is what it is. |
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| Author: | henke37 [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
Thing is, they flat out can't remove it. The stories depend on it. Sure, they are covering for now, but the magatama itself is a plot point in several stories. There is the black locks in the later games. But that's not an immediate concern. No, the immediate concern is 2-4, an episode that they will be adapting. It was a key point there that Phoenix asked and didn't get any locks. |
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| Author: | Sebastian Stark [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
I feel like if there was going to be an initial inclusion of the magatama, however, it would be natural to have it here where it's literally introduced via the games...I COULD be wrong, but the fact is I feel like they'll simply substitute the magatama for new conversational exchanges. Considering the in-game magatama is (at its core as a plot device at least) literally just a way to extract the right information at the right time, that singular result in itself is far easier for them to hone in on than everything that the magatama brings with it as a game mechanic. Is it a good choice? Probably not - I agree that it's a critical omission, but that seems to be the direction they've taken for the anime...we'll have to see though. |
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| Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
henke37 wrote: One scene in and there is already an inconsistency. The scene with Phoenix and Pearl has a glaring problem! The lunchboxes disappeared. Hey, if they made Angel Starr disappear into the ether, why not the lunchboxes? Quote: In all seriousness, the issue is that they completely replaced the pshyche locks for Pearl with Phoenix asking really nicely. It was supposed to be a big secret due to how embaresing the situation is for her. Now she spills just by being asked nicely? Come on. Yeah, but to be fair, it's been this way for every one of Nick's interrogations throughout this anime. It's too bad this method of "speedrunning" through the game is a little on the dull side. As integral to the games as the Psyche-locks are, the anime will always have a way to make their characters spill. Shame, really. These locks are one of the most recognizable motifs of the series. I was hoping they'd make it into the opening or ending (especially the ending; those lyrics are actually kinda depressing), but their complete absence is disappointing, to say the least. Quote: And now Lotta is the one to spill the beans of Ini's surgery? They wrote out a most interesting character there! I'm not sure a children's TV show is ready for that "director". I have to admit the image of him groping the air while Nick talks to him could be amusing, but then we'd have live screenshots of someone groping at something and Nick happens to be standing there. Does this mean we won't be visiting the clinic at all, then? I figure the bit about Franziska getting shot is important enough so Edgeworth gets to shine, but I have a feeling they won't write in Phoenix's visit to Franziska. Then again, it was a detour and Nick just got a face full of whiplash. At least she'll still have her dramatic return to court later. I can't see them writing that out without running into worse problems. |
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| Author: | MBr [ Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
I do wonder if the magatama will ever be included, because 2-4 showed that is isn't 100% perfect. Spoiler: Then again, in 2-4 |
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| Author: | WildSandwich [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
I'll defend the lack of magatama here so far in that it makes more sense to include it in the game than in the show, at least at this point. Phoenix can figure out everything he needs by careful investigation and simply being kind of Pearl. Sure it doesn't exactly capture how guarded some of the secrets are, but again, when you need to be brief, this works. 2-4 is absolutely still going to be an issue though as I can't see that case being as effective without it. Really hoping they introduce it in 2-3 or something so its set up for 2-4. Could have Pearl introduce it to Phoenix in 2-4 but setting it up a case in advance might be better. |
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| Author: | Tiagofvarela [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
WildSandwich wrote: I'll defend the lack of magatama here so far in that it makes more sense to include it in the game than in the show, at least at this point. Phoenix can figure out everything he needs by careful investigation and simply being kind of Pearl. Sure it doesn't exactly capture how guarded some of the secrets are, but again, when you need to be brief, this works. 2-4 is absolutely still going to be an issue though as I can't see that case being as effective without it. Really hoping they introduce it in 2-3 or something so its set up for 2-4. Could have Pearl introduce it to Phoenix in 2-4 but setting it up a case in advance might be better. Whilst I am of no particular opinion when it comes to the presence of the magatama in 2-4, if they are to introduce it, it must absolutely be set up in a previous case. If it's introduced in 2-4 and then immediately proven ineffective it won't be as shocking as intended. To be honest, if they were to introduce it, 2-2 would have been best, as it would have set a precedent of the magatama working. Merely case 2-3 before it fails in 2-4 seems lacklustre. |
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| Author: | trigunlover11 [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
RoyalTanki wrote: This is a general discussion thread for the sixteenth episode of the Ace Attorney anime, "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial". Background stories, Morgan Fey's selfishness, and I feel so bad for Pearl...It's Phoenix Wright to the rescue for Maya Fey once again! |
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| Author: | Nurio [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
I've been thinking since yesterday for what to say on this episode, but I've mostly come up blank. It was a decent episode. Yeah, it's a bit sad that the magatama is gone. Though, to be fair, if I didn't know any better, it also didn't feel like something was missing in this episode. It was all just... fine. Nothing too spectacular. Pearl was adorable as always. And I did like seeing Lotta's more human side. Though, that wasn't exclusive to the anime; it happened in the game, too. Spoiler: |
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| Author: | TheDoctor [ Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
It's funny, my brother hadn't really cared much for Maya or Pearl based on what little he saw from them in the games, but he can't get enough of them here. Also, on the one hand, I like that the story is taking some narrative changes from the games; however, the court segments still feel so rushed that the viewer barely has enough time to understand the contradictions, even in hindsight. All in all, a good episode though. |
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| Author: | Jean Descole [ Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
Don't have a lot to comment on for the episode itself, but I have to say it really makes my heart hurt for Pearl. She's fiercely loyal to her family, but she's being used by the one person who should love her the most. And no matter how the trial turns out, she'll end up losing someone she cares about. |
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| Author: | RA Kaiparahbat [ Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
Maybe it's for the best they removed the Magatama, some of its appearances in 3-2 and 3-5 were downright nonsensical. |
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| Author: | Nurio [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
RA Kaiparahbat wrote: Maybe it's for the best they removed the Magatama, some of its appearances in 3-2 and 3-5 were downright nonsensical. Not sure which appearances you're talking about, but if that were the case, they just could've removed the magatama influence in those particular scenes instead of removing the magatama outright Nah, I think they simply removed it because it's more difficult to pull off in an anime visually and it also doesn't make much sense outside of a game context. It also would cost precious time to implement it |
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| Author: | RA Kaiparahbat [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
Nurio wrote: RA Kaiparahbat wrote: Maybe it's for the best they removed the Magatama, some of its appearances in 3-2 and 3-5 were downright nonsensical. Not sure which appearances you're talking about, but if that were the case, they just could've removed the magatama influence in those particular scenes instead of removing the magatama outright Nah, I think they simply removed it because it's more difficult to pull off in an anime visually and it also doesn't make much sense outside of a game context. It also would cost precious time to implement it Agreed. I'm hoping that in the future it'll have the effect of making Nick more competent, instead of relying on a magic lie detector he'll just be good at reading people. Or may be the info will just get handed to him. Anyway the moments in 3-2 and 3-5 I meant were Spoiler: |
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| Author: | Nurio [ Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Episode 16 "Reunion, and Turnabout - 3rd Trial" |
Ohh! Now that you mention it, I do remember that! Yeah, that's not just nonsensical, it's a plothole! |
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