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Too Much Edgeworth? (SPOILERS)
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And then we see him in his younger years in GS3, and that felt sort of "eh, whatever".
But anyways, was it that way on purpose, as in, they wanted Edgeworth to be in it a lot or what? I used to always see the Phoenix arc as seperate stories just going along his career, but now that we have the Odoroki arc coming up, I feel somewhat different. Was this sort of Edgeworth's story as well, as in, we were meant to see Nick and Edgey through a lot? Were they all supposed to be intertwined together or something and that was as far as it was meant to go?
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Was this sort of Edgeworth's story as well, as in, we were meant to see Nick and Edgey through a lot? Were they all supposed to be intertwined together or something and that was as far as it was meant to go?
Well, that's how I always saw it. The cases and games don't exist in a bubble, they build upon each other. I've always seen JfA as a whole as pretty much the fallout of the first game, both thematically (Phoenix having to rethink his attitude about his job from GS1), and concretely (Franziska coming from for revenge, the entire Edgeworth subplot.) The threads of character development extend through all three games. Edgeworth is going to keep popping up because he shares such strong connections with the rest of the cast - he's the very reason Phoenix became a lawyer, and all that. And each of his appearances continues to expand his character and relationships. If Edgeworth was thrown in JfA just because, that's one thing, but he had a very important role to play that was specific to him, and we saw how much he had grown since we'd seen him last, and how his relationship and impact on Phoenix continues to evolve.
I've also always pretty much considered Edgeworth to be the main character of the first game. It more or less centers around his story.
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Raelle wrote:
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Was this sort of Edgeworth's story as well, as in, we were meant to see Nick and Edgey through a lot? Were they all supposed to be intertwined together or something and that was as far as it was meant to go?
and we saw how much he had grown since we'd seen him last, and how his relationship and impact on Phoenix continues to evolve.
But he's boring. ;-;
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I really liked it, when Edgeworth your one and only rival made his comeback in JFA.
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Edgeworth does appear a lot, but I really had no qualms with it. I enjoyed him as a prosecutor as much as I did a character in general - because of both his mannerisms in court, and just his general way of going about things. He seemed more real to me, and, thus, a better opponent than Manfred. I honestly had more fun beating him in 1-2 after his "You're probably innocent, but I'm going to get a guilty verdict because that's how I roll," speech than I did catching Manfred on the brink of getting away with murder.
Now, you must understand that I played the games backwards - JFA first, then AA. Thus, my first experience with Edgeworth as a prosecutor was in 2-4: when his depth as a character had already been established, but before I knew his backstory. Having not won any sympathy points with me yet, I was more or less irritated by him, and was rather disappointed when I found out someone had the gall to shoot Franziska von Karma - it was obvious to me who was going to replace her.
But, as it turned out, Edgeworth far outshined Franziska. Don't get me wrong, I love Miss von Karma to death, but there was just something about Edgeworth's representation as a prosecutor that made that case all the more fun. And that opinion carried over when I played AA.
Bottom line: I like Edgeworth best in court - therefore, the more cases with him as prosecutor, the better.
NOTE: Having not yet played GS3, I can't speak on Godot. =/
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Ace Prosecutor wrote:
MatsudaBlack wrote:
I really liked it, when Edgeworth your one and only rival made his comeback in JFA.
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Also, with Phoenix being the ever-vigilant defense attorney, it only feels right to expand the ever-changing life of the one we call his "rival", the person who pretty much motivated him into law to begin with. Just dropping him like a stone from the storyline wouldn't have been right, and it would be rather useless to keep a Prosecutor around and not have them prosecute once in a while.
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According to Takumi's remarks on the old GS2 homepage, Edgeworth was originally going to be the main prosecutor of GS2 as well. So he's actually around even less than he might have been.
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Of course in the DS version, von Karma's almost indestructable aura was triumphed by case 5 which took you along a road so far travelled that by the end, you really did celebrate taking Gant down because that really was one tough SoB to crack.
Back to the topic... Edgeworth is a vital part of the world, and given we knew he hadn't lost at the start of PWAA, then throwing in a case against Mia makes you think because surely... she can't lose a case? The ending is of course the only way it could have gone...
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I can understand people not liking Edgeworth for a variety of reasons. But to say there's "too much" of him is kind of like saying there's "too much" Maya, or Gumshoe. Technically, Gumshoe has been involved in more cases than Edgeworth. But it's hard to complain when they're both main characters in the series.
The thing is, though, I've never been able to see Edgeworth as part of the "main cast". To me, he's always been on some other part of the character spectrum... like Racer X. So, to me, seeing Edgeworth as a prosecutor after the first game got boring fast. Not to mention I just really like variety, gameplay-wise..
Pineapple Box: I never said Manfred was some totally awesome addition, but I liked having a good ol' fashioned "goddamn I hate you!"-esque character to, well, hate during gameplay.
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I personally feel that you can never have too much Edgeworth!
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Seriously, one of the main characters needs to be included a lot.
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Holy Hell wrote:
The thing is, though, I've never been able to see Edgeworth as part of the "main cast". To me, he's always been on some other part of the character spectrum... like Racer X. So, to me, seeing Edgeworth as a prosecutor after the first game got boring fast.
I don't quite understand this since, again, Edgeworth's story was the central focus on the first game (and arguably the second one), so with all of that and his actual story role--the reason Phoenix became a lawyer--him not being part of the "main cast"... how did you come to that conclusion?
I understand that you don't like Edgeworth, and you think he's boring, but I don't think it's possible to say there wasn't justification to keep bringing him back. He continues to develop, he has very strong ties to the rest of the cast, and personally, I think he's the most interesting character in the series.
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It would be more weird if he just vanished with nary a mention, to be honest.
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Raelle wrote:
Holy Hell wrote:
The thing is, though, I've never been able to see Edgeworth as part of the "main cast". To me, he's always been on some other part of the character spectrum... like Racer X. So, to me, seeing Edgeworth as a prosecutor after the first game got boring fast.
I don't quite understand this since, again, Edgeworth's story was the central focus on the first game (and arguably the second one), so with all of that and his actual story role--the reason Phoenix became a lawyer--him not being part of the "main cast"... how did you come to that conclusion?
Well, perhaps not "main cast". I was thinking more along the lines of the characters Phoenix buddies around with, which is what I usually refer to as "main cast".
Anyways,I didn't see Edgeworth as the main character, because I was too busy playing as Phoenix.
Sure, there's lots of backstory for him and the like, but I didn't feel like this was Metal Gear Solid 2, where we were seeing Snake- the main character- from another's perspective. Everyone had lots of impact on each other, Edgeworth maybe more so than others, but he's not the face of the series. I'm pretty sure the face of the series, Phoenix, is the main character (to answer that question someone else was saying).Quote:
I understand that you don't like Edgeworth, and you think he's boring, but I don't think it's possible to say there wasn't justification to keep bringing him back. He continues to develop, he has very strong ties to the rest of the cast, and personally, I think he's the most interesting character in the series.
Well, the thing is, sure, it'd make sense to bring back Edgeworth.. but I wanted the story to branch out. Now bear with me that I'm hardly organizing my thoughts and this is rather hard to explain or get out what I mean exactly ... It's not that I'm saying there's too much of Edgeworth abound, just that I wanted to see more of other characters. I liked him originally, but after the first game, I could care less about his overall development. I basically wanted the second game to go in the path the third was, with the focus on the other parts of the character spectrum. *shrugs*
Although, I don't know anymore. I've honestly spent more time HEARING about the characters and the game than PLAYING it. I can barely remember what the actual character's personalities are, because any time I think about them, I just think of the jokes we have where we take smilies and shove amusing things into their mouths.
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Holy Hell wrote:
Well, perhaps not "main cast". I was thinking more along the lines of the characters Phoenix buddies around with, which is what I usually refer to as "main cast".
Anyways,I didn't see Edgeworth as the main character, because I was too busy playing as Phoenix. Sure, there's lots of backstory for him and the like, but I didn't feel like this was Metal Gear Solid 2, where we were seeing Snake- the main character- from another's perspective. Everyone had lots of impact on each other, Edgeworth maybe more so than others, but he's not the face of the series. I'm pretty sure the face of the series, Phoenix, is the main character (to answer that question someone else was saying).
Anyways,I didn't see Edgeworth as the main character, because I was too busy playing as Phoenix.
Sure, there's lots of backstory for him and the like, but I didn't feel like this was Metal Gear Solid 2, where we were seeing Snake- the main character- from another's perspective. Everyone had lots of impact on each other, Edgeworth maybe more so than others, but he's not the face of the series. I'm pretty sure the face of the series, Phoenix, is the main character (to answer that question someone else was saying).Oh, Edgeworth definitely isn't the "main character" of the series as a whole. But in the first game in particular, I actually think of Phoenix as the hero--but not the "main character". (He totally is, however, in JfA.) But the story of the first game was about Edgeworth, Edgeworth's development as a character, what's caused him to be the way he is, and how he begins to change. Watching him evolve is the continuously developing link throughout the entire game. Phoenix became involved in the first place in order to help Edgeworth.
To make another analogy, it's a bit like The Great Gatsby, where you see the story through the perspective of Nick, and Nick has his role to play, but the story itself is not primarily about Nick.
(The sequels, however, are another story altogether.)
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Well, the thing is, sure, it'd make sense to bring back Edgeworth.. but I wanted the story to branch out. Now bear with me that I'm hardly organizing my thoughts and this is rather hard to explain or get out what I mean exactly ... It's not that I'm saying there's too much of Edgeworth abound, just that I wanted to see more of other characters. I liked him originally, but after the first game, I could care less about his overall development. I basically wanted the second game to go in the path the third was, with the focus on the other parts of the character spectrum. *shrugs*
Well, Edgeworth is only in three out of nine cases after the first game, and different main prosecutors are introduced, so I think it's fairly safe to say the story "branched out". And considering with each appearance we see Edgeworth's development expanded and exploring new territory with the character and how he affects everyone else, adopting different ways to look at him--the story itself does keep growing, even if the focus itself remains fairly consistent. I don't think that consistency is a weakness.
Also, the first game illustrated Edgeworth's backstory and the turning points that caused him to pull back from his downward spiral. It was a new beginning for him. To suddenly shift the focus without resolving what ultimately became of him (even as a subplot), really seems like dropping the ball to me. The thing is, Edgeworth's development isn't in a bubble. The way he grows affects everyone around him, Phoenix in particular, but even the rest of the cast--Maya, Gumshoe, Franziska--have a stake in Edgeworth, the same as they all do in each other. Edgeworth plays an absolutely vital role in exploring Franziska's character, for example, and I love that the cast in this game is so interconnected. To focus on Franziska or to focus on Phoenix just inherently means to also focus on Edgeworth, as JfA demonstrates.
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I basically wanted the second game to go in the path the third was, with the focus on the other parts of the character spectrum. *shrugs*
Then play the third game. Problem solved.
On a serious, "this is just my opinion" note, I think one of the great things about the PW series is it's lack of characters. When you don't have a million forgettable characters, you can spend more time developing the characters you do have, making for more interesting personalities and overall more enjoyable gameplay. I think having a wider variety of prosecutors would be like, say, Legend of Zelda. You beat one prosecutor, great! Move on to the next and never hear anything about the old one ever again. Each "enemy" is given time to develop as a character, thus leading to the final smackdown where said prosecutor learns, or leaves. It gives so much more depth to the game when you're not beating faceless hordes of law-practitioners with a big stick.
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EdgeworthFanGirl wrote:
Ace Prosecutor wrote:
MatsudaBlack wrote:
I really liked it, when Edgeworth your one and only rival made his comeback in JFA.
same here!
And I make three to agree!!!!
In my opinion, there can't be TOO much Edgeworth! :^)Yeah!
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