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Author: | Ucha Nekome [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:45 am ] |
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Nether...well that was a nice discussion! Lets eat some jerky and forget it ever happened. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:03 am ] |
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Nearavex wrote: Miles Edgeworth is lesbian. End of discussion. He is?! Well, he's got one hell of a prolapsed vagina. |
Author: | Nearavex [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:58 am ] |
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Yup, he's a 100% male lesbian. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:59 am ] |
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It was stated in an interview (with Tukami? Or another developer?) that he "doesn't like women" so he'd be gay or asexual. My guess is on asexual. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:43 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: It was stated in an interview (with Tukami? Or another developer?) that he "doesn't like women" so he'd be gay or asexual. My guess is on asexual. You know... I keep hearing about this interview from the Voice of God. I wish someone would tell me where it is. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:43 pm ] |
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Me too. And I was sure as hell I'd read it, but perhaps that was just the part where he says Phoenix probably thinks Edgeworth grew up to be a cute man, because people tend to refer to these two quotes together. Searching Google, a lot of people claimed Takumi has said it, but I failed at finding an actual quote from the man himself. The closest thing I could find was http://gyakuten-saiban.livejournal.com/234777.html in the "type of girl" on the poll of Mitsurugi, but that wasn't Takumi but some other creator. |
Author: | tiger_festival [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:50 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: The closest thing I could find was http://gyakuten-saiban.livejournal.com/234777.html in the "type of girl" on the poll of Mitsurugi, but that wasn't Takumi but some other creator. "Here it says, that the hythm in Karuma Family is "My way" by Frank Sinatra . . . The uthor says it's a song the Karumas (including Mitsurugi) sing when they win a case" . . . . . . . . . I'm not so sure if that's really a reliable source. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:01 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: Me too. And I was sure as hell I'd read it, but perhaps that was just the part where he says Phoenix probably thinks Edgeworth grew up to be a cute man, because people tend to refer to these two quotes together. Searching Google, a lot of people claimed Takumi has said it, but I failed at finding an actual quote from the man himself. The closest thing I could find was http://gyakuten-saiban.livejournal.com/234777.html in the "type of girl" on the poll of Mitsurugi, but that wasn't Takumi but some other creator. I have some vague memory of somebody saying "the voice of god" said it like seventeen or twenty minutes into an interview (audio clip), but it was in Japanese. Thanks for trying though. |
Author: | Nearavex [ Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:37 am ] |
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Besides, that line doesn't really mean much by itself - it could very well mean that he doesn't have "interest in women", as in, doesn't plan to start a relationship at the current point in time. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:05 am ] |
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Yeah, no, I know. I really tried finding something reliable I'll just give myself an A for effort and put my money on asexual. |
Author: | Pierre [ Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:03 pm ] |
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sumguy28 wrote: GoingforMiles wrote: The closest thing I could find was http://gyakuten-saiban.livejournal.com/234777.html in the "type of girl" on the poll of Mitsurugi, but that wasn't Takumi but some other creator. "Here it says, that the hythm in Karuma Family is "My way" by Frank Sinatra . . . The uthor says it's a song the Karumas (including Mitsurugi) sing when they win a case" . . . . . . . . . I'm not so sure if that's really a reliable source. I'd probably put it down to a translation error. "My Way" certainly does describe the Karuma family after all. |
Author: | Emmy19 [ Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:14 pm ] |
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Yeah, it was one of the illustrators (Suekane) who says that she thinks he doesn't like girls. And it could be a line that means anything - it could mean that he's gay or asexual or demisexual or just not thinking about romance atm. Because lol. I headcanon the guy as There is no good evidence of him being gay. The best evidence I've heard is one thing in AAI: Spoiler: Still, it's not confirmed in canon either way and until it is, Edgeworth's sexuality is up for grabs as far as I am aware. XD And...(Dual Destines spoilers): Spoiler: |
Author: | WaitingforGodot [ Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:57 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: Yeah, no, I know. I really tried finding something reliable I'll just give myself an A for effort and put my money on asexual. I give you A for effort as well and I put my money on a riding cro... I mean asexual. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:33 pm ] |
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Emmy19 wrote: Yeah, it was one of the illustrators (Suekane) who says that she thinks he doesn't like girls. And it could be a line that means anything - it could mean that he's gay or asexual or demisexual or just not thinking about romance atm. Because lol. I headcanon the guy as There is no good evidence of him being gay. The best evidence I've heard is one thing in AAI: Spoiler: Spoiler: Quote: Still, it's not confirmed in canon either way and until it is, Edgeworth's sexuality is up for grabs as far as I am aware. XD i c wut u did thar |
Author: | WaitingforGodot [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:04 am ] |
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Adrian in black wrote: Still, it's not confirmed in canon either way and until it is, Edgeworth's sexuality is up for grabs as far as I am aware. XD i c wut u did thar[/quote] Tsssshahahaha. |
Author: | Emmy19 [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:04 pm ] |
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Adrian in black wrote: Emmy19 wrote: Yeah, it was one of the illustrators (Suekane) who says that she thinks he doesn't like girls. And it could be a line that means anything - it could mean that he's gay or asexual or demisexual or just not thinking about romance atm. Because lol. I headcanon the guy as There is no good evidence of him being gay. The best evidence I've heard is one thing in AAI: Spoiler: Spoiler: Quote: Still, it's not confirmed in canon either way and until it is, Edgeworth's sexuality is up for grabs as far as I am aware. XD i c wut u did thar Fffffff you guys. Spoiler: But yeah, it's not confirmed either way. Just don't insist that it's one way or the other, guys. Everyone has the right to their own opinion (and heck, if we go by asexual, then there are asexuals out there who are in romantic relationships - they are just not interested in the sex bit and either don't sleep with their partner or only do it for children or are willing to do it just to make their partner happy so even if he's asexual, Edgeworth romancing with a girl or guy isn't completely impossible) I'm still looking to find an Edgeworth/Phoenix fic done well! It'll exist somewhere. But even then it would take months for them to both go on a date willingly because Edgeworth. Hahahaha. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:09 pm ] |
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Quote: because Edgeworth. Hahahaha. Somehow I feel that right there just answered all of our questions. |
Author: | Emmy19 [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:40 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: Quote: because Edgeworth. Hahahaha. Somehow I feel that right there just answered all of our questions. Clearly, Edgeworth is worksexual /shot |
Author: | WaitingforGodot [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:28 pm ] |
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Emmy19 wrote: GoingforMiles wrote: Quote: because Edgeworth. Hahahaha. Somehow I feel that right there just answered all of our questions. Clearly, Edgeworth is worksexual /shot I come from a long way, away And I know a fine thing when I see it, see it For the same reason no one ever, pointed a telescope at the sun Talking about the Red Angels of N.Y. City Who shot the shot? Who got shot tonight? Who shot the shot? Who got shot tonight? Not even five enforcement agencies can save their own Never mind the people Tonight it's raining on the angels of the city (Who got shot tonight?) Did anyone prophesize these people? Only Travis, come in Travis (Who got shot tonight?) All the animals come out at night Queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick venal (Who got shot tonight?) Some day a real rain will come and wash all the scum off the streets (Who got shot tonight?) Thank God for the rain to wash the trash off the sidewalk Listen you screw-heads, here is a man who would not take it anymore A man who stood up against the scum, the filth Now I see clearly Personally I know the alley Where Jack feeds on the birds of night Not even Bubbies bicycles two by two Can stop the blood and feathers flying Who got shot tonight? Who got shot tonight? Who got shot tonight? Waring overalls and for once and for all What is the dream? I'll tell it To live like they do in the movies San Juan you listening? Yeah, I bet you are Hands up for Hollywood, hooray, I hear you Snappy on the air hang in their wall to wall You saved the world, what else? You saved the girl Champagne on ice No stranger to Alcatraz to boot Or strip it down chop it a little Being reasonable, just freedom to move to live (Who got shot tonight?) For women to take a walk in the park at midnight (Who got shot tonight?) Hey, but this is serious She can't even get back home (Who got shot tonight?) Who shot that |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:51 pm ] |
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Emmy19 wrote: Fffffff you guys. Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | AireyVerkhovensky [ Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:20 pm ] |
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Man I've been looking for the slash thread on this dang forum, and here I find it's been dead for six months? No matter, no matter. I'll just tack some Wrightworth fanart onto this post when I get home. Please don't let this thread die permanently |
Author: | Emmy19 [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:00 am ] |
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Edgeworth's sexuality is still up for grabs /shot Anyway, there was one thing that bothered me about the 'he doesn't like girls' bit is that some people take it a bit well.....too literally. As in "Ewww women" rather than "I'm not interested in a romance with them". Edgeworth is actually very polite and respectful to most women. Spoiler: Also, if, for argument's sake, he's gay, being gay does not make you despise the opposite gender. Otherwise asexuals would hate everyone and straight people would hate their own gender. Sure, there are gay men who hate all women but that's usually nothing to do with sexuality and often for a more personal reason like suffering years of abuse from their mother and thus colouring their views on women. Even if he were gay, Edgeworth wouldn't fit into that category. |
Author: | AireyVerkhovensky [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:08 am ] |
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Emmy19 wrote: Edgeworth's sexuality is still up for grabs /shot Anyway, there was one thing that bothered me about the 'he doesn't like girls' bit is that some people take it a bit well.....too literally. As in "Ewww women" rather than "I'm not interested in a romance with them". Edgeworth is actually very polite and respectful to most women. Spoiler: Also, if, for argument's sake, he's gay, being gay does not make you despise the opposite gender. Otherwise asexuals would hate everyone and straight people would hate their own gender. Sure, there are gay men who hate all women but that's usually nothing to do with sexuality and often for a more personal reason like suffering years of abuse from their mother and thus colouring their views on women. Even if he were gay, Edgeworth wouldn't fit into that category. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? People do that? I've actually never seen an Edgeworth-hating-women fic... is it because I'm still kind of new to the fandom...? |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:23 am ] |
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Emmy19 wrote: Edgeworth's sexuality is still up for grabs /shot *grabs Edgeworth's sexuality* *risks being AireyVerkhovensky wrote: Emmy19 wrote: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? People do that? I've actually never seen an Edgeworth-hating-women fic... is it because I'm still kind of new to the fandom...? I don't know how common it is, but I have seen at least once instance where the author made it a point about the contempt Edgeworth apparently has for women, or for certain women. But I'll admit I haven't read a ton of Edgeworth fics. |
Author: | AireyVerkhovensky [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:31 am ] |
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Sierra Mikain wrote: Emmy19 wrote: Edgeworth's sexuality is still up for grabs /shot *grabs Edgeworth's sexuality* *risks being AireyVerkhovensky wrote: Emmy19 wrote: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? People do that? I've actually never seen an Edgeworth-hating-women fic... is it because I'm still kind of new to the fandom...? I don't know how common it is, but I have seen at least once instance where the author made it a point about the contempt Edgeworth apparently has for women, or for certain women. But I'll admit I haven't read a ton of Edgeworth fics. Well I certainly hope it's not common. You can have gay Edgeworth and still make it pretty close to canon. |
Author: | Nearavex [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:36 pm ] |
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To be honest, I can't picture Edgeworth being actively gay. Or straight for that matter. ...Are there any well-written in-character Rhoda/Edgeworth fics? I honestly am interested now how Edgeworth would act while romantically involved... but I have problems with depictions in which he gets a bit too absorbed in those relationships. |
Author: | AireyVerkhovensky [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:42 pm ] |
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My brother swears Edgeworth is asexual. (Then he let me put Wrightworth in our collaborative fanfic anyway. Even though he ships Phoeniris. ...I win this round.) |
Author: | Emmy19 [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:56 pm ] |
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Well, 'he doesn't like girls' doesn't exactly contradict the headcanon of him being straight. In another context it could mean "He would go with women but he is really not interested in a relationship because he's too absorbed in his work". I still think he's asexual but if he is gay or straight he'd be demihomosexual or demiheterosexual. Because it would take forever for him to get comfortable being in a relationship with someone, share secrets with them and share his life with them. He enjoys his personal space. |
Author: | AireyVerkhovensky [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:13 pm ] |
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I'm sorry but I just can't take "demianythingsexual" seriously. It seems odd to account for personality like that in a sexuality-specific context. I think we can all agree that Edgeworth wouldn't just jump someone, ya know? But that has little do with attraction. Just the question of who he would be attracted to (if he's attracted to anyone). |
Author: | Emmy19 [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:18 pm ] |
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Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:18 pm ] |
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To me asexual seems the most plausible, both as in not having romantic feelings and as in not interested in sex. And if he would have romantic feelings towards someone I don't think he would act on them simply because I can't see what he'd gain from being in a relationship. If he does have a sexuality though, I'd go for gay - perhaps because the NaruMitsu pairing is pretty established in relation to other pairings, and also you can't really deny that there is subtext. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:32 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: To me asexual seems the most plausible, both as in not having romantic feelings and as in not interested in sex. And if he would have romantic feelings towards someone I don't think he would act on them simply because I can't see what he'd gain from being in a relationship. If he does have a sexuality though, I'd go for gay - perhaps because the NaruMitsu pairing is pretty established in relation to other pairings, and also you can't really deny that there is subtext. My issue with the "because subtext" argument is that there really is a lot of subtext... for pretty much everybody. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:37 pm ] |
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I don't think so. I mean I'm never looking for subtext yet I've seen it with the two of them, not really with other characters. |
Author: | Pierre [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:44 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: I don't think so. I mean I'm never looking for subtext yet I've seen it with the two of them, not really with other characters. Counterpoint: I'm never looking for subtext and yet I've seen nothing between them but good friendship. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:57 pm ] |
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Yeah I didn't mean it as an objectional truth - but there are lines and reactions from Phoenix that could be interpreted as such. One could argue that that's the case with other sets of characters as well if you're looking at it from that perspective, but it's way more prominent with these guys, in my opinion. Nor did I say that I think Edgeworth is gay/Feeniesexual because of subtext, just that, assuming he does swing some way, I'd be way closer to call gay than straight (or bi) because of the subtext I can't help but see. |
Author: | Pierre [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:00 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: Yeah I didn't mean it as an objectional truth - but there are lines and reactions from Phoenix that could be interpreted as such. One could argue that that's the case with other sets of characters as well if you're looking at it from that perspective, but it's way more prominent with these guys, in my opinion. Nor did I say that I think Edgeworth is gay/Feeniesexual because of subtext, just that, assuming he does swing some way, I'd be way closer to call gay than straight (or bi) because of the subtext I can't help but see. If it's your opinion and you recognise it's got no real credibility then why are you trying to use it as evidence? |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:01 pm ] |
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What am I trying to use as evidence, and as evidence of what? |
Author: | Pierre [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:07 pm ] |
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GoingforMiles wrote: What am I trying to use as evidence, and as evidence of what? > First person says "Subtext is worthless, anyone can see subtext for anything" >You: "Nah uh I don't even look for subtext and even I could see something between them" >Me: "Well I don't look for stuff and I didn't see anything other than good friendship" >Back to the top: "Subtext is worthless" You tried to essentially say "Aww but c'mon man it's so obvious!" |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:33 pm ] |
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No, Pierre. I didn't. The reason I mentioned subtext in the very first place was not because it's the grounds on which I base my guess of Edgeworth's sexuality or lack thereof (as I said, I think of him as asexual), but because I've noticed that I have a harder time imagining him, if attracted to people, being drawn to women than to men, and I theorized that this may be because there are lines in the games I think could be interpreted as suggesting there's romantic feelings and/or attraction between Edgeworth and Phoenix, by which I'm not saying that I personally think there is, just that I see the possibility. The only thing I said that comes close of being "look it's obvious" was that I said that "you can't really deny there is subtext". By that I'm not saying I expect everyone to notice it or think anything of it, but upon being presented with it in the perspective of romantic/sexual subtext, regardless of how you interpret it yourself, the possiblity to read it in that way is there I believe. Never did I claim that this interpretation is correct, just that I see where those who ship them are coming from, because when I played the games I figured people would see their relationships as such. Sierra argued that subtext can be seen between pretty much everyone, to which I replied that NaruMitsu subtext is pretty much the only I've noticed myself, and that's probably why I subconsciously (?) has gotten the impression of him being gay if I'd have to guess his sexuality besides asexual. I didn't use the subtext as proving he's gay, but as a possible reason of why I think he'd be drawn to men rather than women. |
Author: | dimentiorules [ Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:40 pm ] |
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Why don't people realize, Edgeworth is Asexual! He has been shown to not be attracted to women, however he's never been shown attracted to men, either! He's based quite a bit on Sherlock Holmes, especially in the GK games. Sherlock Holmes is asexual, Edgeworth is, too! Sorry to break your shipfics, but Edgeworth wouldn't have sexual relations with anyone, male or female. |
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