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Author: | Kessler [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:52 am ] |
Post subject: | (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
(WARNING: Contains spoilers for every main series game other than Spirit of Justice, tread lightly.) So I was on the discord and I was having a discussion about how much time the villains of AA would spend rotting behind bars, and I got the GENIUS idea to start a thread calculating the amount of time every main series villain would spend behind bars, to the best of my ability that is, for now I'll do only the big baddies, I'll probably update this thread as time goes by with the specifics with the less important villains. (WARNING: My law experience is mostly non-existent, the conclusions I come to are due to excessive amounts of research, so take this whole thread with a grain of salt.) Let's begin by listing the names of the villains currently in this thread: Spoiler: PW:AA-DD Great, now that the role call is over with, let's get down to the reason this thread even exists. Spoiler: Manfred von Karma Spoiler: Damon Gant Spoiler: Matt Engarde Spoiler: Diego Armando Spoiler: Kristoph Gavin Spoiler: The Phantom So this concludes my 10/10 beautiful analysis of the amount of time these villains would spend behind bars, did I miss anything? Is my post grossly inaccurate? Do you want to simply be amazed at how the punishments for these people seems to get higher every game? Whatever the case may be, comment if you have anything to say. |
Author: | Bolting Shaman [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Spoiler: Spirit of Justice main villain |
Author: | Kessler [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Dynakirby63 wrote: Spoiler: Spirit of Justice main villain Spoiler: Spirit of Justice Main Villain |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
I do think it's time the spoiler rules be lifted,but that's another story. I'm really surprised at the total number of life sentences,lol. Especially how they slowly increase. The only one who COULD legally get out of jail is Godot,probably. |
Author: | Kessler [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Southern Corn (SC) wrote: I do think it's time the spoiler rules be lifted,but that's another story. I'm really surprised at the total number of life sentences,lol. Especially how they slowly increase. The only one who COULD legally get out of jail is Godot,probably. Yeah, other than Godot, the sentence keeps getting bigger and bigger each game, at this rate AA7 will somehow manage to have like 5 life sentences |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Also,minor question-where are the AAI main villains? I feel Spoiler: AAI1&2 |
Author: | Bolting Shaman [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Southern Corn (SC) wrote: Also,minor question-where are the AAI main villains? I feel Spoiler: AAI1&2 Spoiler: AAI1&2 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
I'm not trying to start a huge debate here or anything but I definitely think what Godot did would be considered premeditated murder. He even admitted that when he teamed up with Elise and Iris, he knew that it might come to that Sure, he was saving Maya, but he even admitted that that didn't matter much regarding why he did it. And the person he killed was not the person who was putting Maya in danger (directly) At the very least he's gonna get slammed with a conspiracy to commit charge |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
What legal system is this based on? Spoiler: I think that's more likely than premeditated murder. He didn't specifically plan to kill her, although he admitted it was considered a plan B from the get-go. It would probably also be a mitigating circumstance that Elise herself was in on the plan and aware of the risk, that and Iris and Maya could tesitfy that he was, ultimately, protecting Maya, of course one could also argue that he knowingly let Maya into a dangerous situation, but that might be hard to prove, that it could have been prevented from taking place at all, I mean. |
Author: | Slammer [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
JesusMonroe wrote: I'm not trying to start a huge debate here or anything but I definitely think what Godot did would be considered premeditated murder. He even admitted that when he teamed up with Elise and Iris, he knew that it might come to that Sure, he was saving Maya, but he even admitted that that didn't matter much regarding why he did it. And the person he killed was not the person who was putting Maya in danger (directly) At the very least he's gonna get slammed with a conspiracy to commit charge ^ This tbh. I don't get why many people forget the fact that he purposely didn't get rid of the letter Morgan gave Pearl, so that Maya could be endagered and he could act like he was some sort of hero saving her. Going for Miles wrote: of course one could also argue that he knowingly let Maya into a dangerous situation, but that might be hard to prove, that it could have been prevented from taking place at all, I mean. He admitted that in court. He said that he found the infamous letter, read it, but left it there, despite having the chance to destroy it. Back on topic: the original plan was to have Misty channel Dahlia (all night long, I guess) and Godot preventing Dahlia/Misty from hurting Maya (maybe he would've tied Misty up with a rope or a pair of handcuffs). But then Godot, seeing Dahlia's figure in the dark, flew into a fit of rage and killed her. So, it wasn't premeditated murder, but I'm pretty sure that it could at least be considered a second-degree murder. |
Author: | Kessler [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
So to answer everyone's questions, first off, the legal system I'm basing this off is the California state laws, I thought it would be fitting since it's the closest thing to Japanifornia other than Japan. And about the Godot thing, even if he knew it might come down to him having to kill someone, he wouldn't be charged with conspiracy unless he absolutely knew or had reason to believe that Dahlia would try to kill someone, as in, unless he heard Dahlia herself say she was going to kill someone in due time for him to report it to the police, he would be charged with conspiracy. However, Dahlia never stated intent to kill anyone, and due to the whole spirit channeling thing, I don't think I'm going to find any real world laws that would prove that Morgan's plan was to murder Maya Fey beyond a shadow of a doubt, it's obvious that it was the intent, but there's no evidence, all Morgan did was give a letter to Pearl saying to channel Dahlia. So unless the prosecution could prove that Godot knew a murder would definitely happen, he wouldn't be charged with conspiracy, and since Iris, Misty, and Godot's plan didn't originally involve killing anyone, he can't be charged for conspiracy on that front. Hopefully this makes sense and my lack of writing skills don't show too much. EDIT: And to add to what Slammer said, it wouldn't be considered second-degree murder due to the mitigating circumstance of Maya being in danger, no matter what the intent is, had Godot not killed Dahlia, Maya would be dead, and it would therefore be considered a justifiable homicide. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
It mostly depends on what Godot himself says. He laid it out clearly in 3-5, but in his own trial it might be a different story. He and Iris definitely planned and committed crimes together, but there's not much proof when it comes to intentions. The most annoying part of the puzzle is Godot's negligence when it comes to letting it happen at all when he definitely could have prevented it from happening (getting rid of the note to Pearl, based on what he said himself), but that really can't be proven, especially not since Morgan could have, theoretically, let Pearl know in some other way had he done so. And he has good chances for rehabilitation. If he behaves well in prison he should get out of there after not a too long time (although that's merely speculation on my part, I know jack shit about neither California's nor Japan's law when it comes to that) |
Author: | Slammer [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Kessler wrote: EDIT: And to add to what Slammer said, it wouldn't be considered second-degree murder due to the mitigating circumstance of Maya being in danger, no matter what the intent is, had Godot not killed Dahlia, Maya would be dead, and it would therefore be considered a justifiable homicide. Even if Godot admitted he let that whole dangerous situation happen? I don't know, you may be right, it's just that Godot was not proud of what he did, and I felt he was willing to pay for it when revealing the full background of the case. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
But what does it mean, legally speaking, to "let a dangeorus situation happen"? Is there an element of law concerning that? Negligence of some sort, maybe? Still I find it hard to see how it would be proven. Yes, he can admit that he deliberately let the situation happen without doing enough about it, but we can't say beyond reasonable doubt that it wouldn't have happened anyway even if he'd hid or destroyed the note. |
Author: | Kessler [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Going for Miles wrote: But what does it mean, legally speaking, to "let a dangeorus situation happen"? Is there an element of law concerning that? Negligence of some sort, maybe? Still I find it hard to see how it would be proven. Yes, he can admit that he deliberately let the situation happen without doing enough about it, but we can't say beyond reasonable doubt that it wouldn't have happened anyway even if he'd hid or destroyed the note. And even then, in most of the United States, citizens are not legally required to report potential crimes. |
Author: | Slammer [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Going for Miles wrote: But what does it mean, legally speaking, to "let a dangeorus situation happen"? Is there an element of law concerning that? Negligence of some sort, maybe? Still I find it hard to see how it would be proven. Yes, he can admit that he deliberately let the situation happen without doing enough about it, but we can't say beyond reasonable doubt that it wouldn't have happened anyway even if he'd hid or destroyed the note. Eh, I'm not so sure. As Kessler said, the letter didn't specify that Morgan's intention was to have Dahlia kill Maya. So, from a legal standpoint, there wouldn't be any sort of negligence from Godot: there wasn't any crime (or even potential crime) to report to the police. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
And in that case, there's nothing to prove that he knew something that dangerous was going to take place and let it happen anyway. And if that's so, then I'd say that aspect of his actions can pretty much be ruled out when it comes to his eventual trial. |
Author: | Aeliren [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
Can someone explain to me what's the point of having more than a life sentence? I mean, life sentence implies that you'll be spending the rest of your life in prison. How can you spend longer than that, let alone multiple life sentences? Is it some smug holier-than-thou way of saying "yeah, you aren't ever gonna see the light of day again" or just something else entirely? I'm not from America, so I don't quite understand the point of it. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:12 am ] |
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As someone on tvtropes put it: it's the judge's way of saying "screw you this much!" |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
It's an archaic reminder of history when people's sentences would be passed onto their offspring as well. Obviously, it doesn't apply any more, so it doesn't make sense to keep it, but there are lots of things USA keeps despite not needing it. *looking at DST* |
Author: | TheDoctor [ Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:21 pm ] |
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I'm kinda wondering how long... Spoiler: T&T |
Author: | Slammer [ Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: (Spoilers) Calculating the Jail Time |
TheDoctor wrote: I'm kinda wondering how long... Spoiler: T&T Spoiler: |
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