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And of course my favorite...Motive is not mentioned unless the actual murder is on the stand... (Wouldn't you wonder why an agoraphobic would kill her father?)
What about you guys?
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Also there were a lot of black and white flashbacks... like I don't already know the stuff that JUST HAPPENED in court YESTERDAY.
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Really, what else is there to say?
...Actually, there is something that kind of irked me about the ending:
Spoiler: Epilogue/Credits
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Ty': Ace Attorney wrote:
I didn't really have the same satisfying feeling when I beat it was I did previous ones.
I'll second that one. I was left feeling quite empty and unsatisfied with Apollo Justice compared to the sense of accomplishment and satisfaction I had after beating 1, 2 and 3.
My biggest gripe with Apollo Justice? Good game with a good plot and good characters dragged down by poorly thought out and sloppyly executed pacing and presentation.
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Kiero wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
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Also there were a lot of black and white flashbacks... like I don't already know the stuff that JUST HAPPENED in court YESTERDAY.
It's not nearly as bad in AJ as it was in some of the other installments in the series. And at least in AJ, every black and white flashback that I recall was immediately after a suggested save point. So it makes sense, as you would stop playing at the save point, and then come back to a quick little refresher as to where you were located in the story. Whereas, in the earlier versions, the flashbacks were just thrown in willy-nilly, it seemed.
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Herr Forehead, didn't you notice anything weird about that trial?
Um, you seemed VERY prepared....? And...? *hint hint* Ummmm... oh oh!! I know! You knew about the forgery beforehand! *gives cookie* 
The fact that you only heard one testimony from Kristoph made the battle feel very short-lived too. Lots of dialogue in between but they pretty much led you from testimony to *present the final piece of evidence that will screw him over* right away. No sense of victory whatsoever.
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Spoiler: Epilouge Spoilers
Spoiler: Phoenix's Flashback
EDITED for clarity.
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This too. Considering how people just randomly get bumped off, and considering she just had her personal bodyguard killed, had some deep secrets revealed to her, you'd think she'd want to tell *THEM* about *THAT* as quickly as possible. Wait for the time is right? Uhhh, I think NOW is the right time. Sheesh.
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xfma_addictx wrote:
Spoiler: Epilouge Spoilers
Spoiler: Phoenix's Flashback
EDITED for clarity.
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Don't get me wrong, I like Hobo Phoenix, but he hogged ALL THE DAMN SCREEN TIME!
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I yell "OBJECTION!" in the court sometimes!
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lmao, I totally forgot about Machi. I think since his case was over and proved to be innocent, Thalassa wasn't too worried.
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Kiero wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
Haha, fist time I saw that I thought Gavin looked far out of place, still cool though.
Spoiler: 4-4
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I also thought that the Percieve system was underused. It was like what? 4 times through the entire game?
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Phoenix in PW:AA had a story which revolved around him and the people he meets. AA:AJ had a story which revolved around Hobo's seven year quest.
You could remove Apollo and invent a whole new character in a matter of seconds, and it wouldn't make a jot of difference. In the investigation phases, he seems to have Phoenix's old personality, just with a different haircut. You could replace him with a spiky haired sandwich and still have the same game.
I really am the guy from the Objection! website, y'know! :(
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Also there were a lot of black and white flashbacks... like I don't already know the stuff that JUST HAPPENED in court YESTERDAY.
It's not nearly as bad in AJ as it was in some of the other installments in the series. And at least in AJ, every black and white flashback that I recall was immediately after a suggested save point. So it makes sense, as you would stop playing at the save point, and then come back to a quick little refresher as to where you were located in the story. Whereas, in the earlier versions, the flashbacks were just thrown in willy-nilly, it seemed.
Oh, it's MUCH worse in AJ than it is in all three of the games. Or at least, it's much more obtrusive.
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The final case was probably the biggest let down in the series. In all the other games, the final trial is the "showdown", the final battle with the evil prosecutor who's been taunting you throughout the game. It's also usually the hardest case in the game. Apollo Justice, however, completely deviates from this formula. The final case was incredibly easy, and the prosecutor was hardly evil; more annoying than anything else (though he did get "taunt" down perfectly). And the showdown with the murderer....! Present one piece of easy evidence, and you're done. The other games had crazy Objection Battles, and were incredibly intense (I'm thinking 3-5 here).
I've got a lot more that could be said, but it's mostly nitpicking and complaints about specific characters. Apollo Justice had a lot of potential, but failed to live up to most of it. Hopefully GS5 will remedy this.
PS Does anyone else find it annoying how many performers are in the Phoenix Wright world?! (Steel Samurai, that friggin' circus in JFA, 2-4, and now these damn magicians.) Give me something different!
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Mysticgamer wrote:
Zak ran away in court, used his daughter as a decoy, he abandoned her with his lawyer for seven years, came back to solely talk to Phoenix for a few minutes, then he challenged him to a rigged game of poker so he can ruin his new career (which he's using to support the daughter he abandoned) and refused to see.
And of course my favorite...Motive is not mentioned unless the actual murder is on the stand... (Wouldn't you wonder why an agoraphobic would kill her father?)
What about you guys?
And of course my favorite...Motive is not mentioned unless the actual murder is on the stand... (Wouldn't you wonder why an agoraphobic would kill her father?)
What about you guys?
not only that, but then he went and hit the person he hired with a wine bottle! how violent, zak!
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When they made you watch it over and over again I cringed every time I saw him.
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*cough*Vera*cough*
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What?! How can you not like Vera? Vera was awesome, probably the best thing about 4-4. And speaking of which...*Leaves*
4-4 was the biggest disappointment in the game. 4-2 and 4-3 were great (even if it involved seeing that movie so many times) and I can forgive 4-1's flaws because it was a tutorial, but 4-4? There were, appropriately, four things wrong with it.
1) It's the last case. The first two GBA games had only four cases. But this is the DS. It can hold a lot more. The fact Rise from the Ashes was added (which was the longest case in the game) to the first game for the DS released proves that. We should've had at least five cases here.
2) No hook until well into the case. There's nothing that separates it from the previous cases, that makes it stand out at the start. Let's review: 1-4 had one of the coolest "teasers" (the video you see before you start) in the game. It really makes you want to play. 2-4 took the longest of the first three games, but having a kidnapper kidnap Maya (okay, so Maya in trouble was done to death, but still...) and require you to get someone a Not Guilty verdict in exchange for letting her go free was an amazing hook. All kinds of questions come to you...can you manage to do this in one day? Is the client guilty? If he isn't guilty, why is the assassin trying to get him of the hook? 3-5 got you hooked the instant you saw that magazine's picture. But 4-4? Nothing until you find out that Vera was the forger, which is pretty far in.
3) Length. I could handle there being only four cases if this case was longer than Rise From The Ashes. But it was possibly the shortest final case.
4) A lame climax. I was geared up for a long, tricky showdown with Kristoph at the end. And then...er...it doesn't exactly happen. It's too short, and when his breakdown occurs it doesn't feel like you did anything to cause it. Redd White was more challenging to bring down, even if Deus Ex Mia had to help you out at the last minute. Just to add insult to injury, the last question they ask you is literally, "Do you want to win this game? Yes or no."
Those are the big ones. There were a few smaller problems, like the lack of those cool pictures on the case select screen (remember how in the first three games, when you selected cases, there would be a cool background showing stuff from it?) And the Mason system? Couldn't they have at least explained what that blasted thing was?
There were good things, of course. I loved the characters (they made the game) and I did like how the lifebar recovers a little more often.
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is). IT'S HOTTI NOT HICKFIELD!
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I hated how they carelessly changed the name of the local clinic (where is). IT'S HOTTI NOT HICKFIELD!
Okay...one more time... is). IT'S HOTTI NOT HICKFIELD! THEY CHANGED IT IN THE ENGLISH VERSION BECAUSE IT WAS CHANGED IN THE ORIGINAL JAPANESE VERSION. IT WAS INTENTIONAL!
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Back on topic:
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Don't get me wrong though. Despite it all, I still thoroughly enjoyed the game.
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Also speaking of which we never find out why Machi (or Daryan for that matter) needed money.
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Klavier making fun of Apollo's forehead constantly annoyed me because it ensured that when I look at Apollo, it's all I can think of.
I think somebody told Apollo that when he's making things up, his forehead lights up, and that's how his parents knew when he lied. This manifested itself as an unstoppable urge to poke his own forehead all the time.
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Aevitas wrote:
It pissed me off how it didn't feel like I deserved Kristoph's breakdown in the end. Klavier kind of did most of the hard deducing work for Apollo.
Herr Forehead, didn't you notice anything weird about that trial?
Um, you seemed VERY prepared....?
And...? *hint hint*
Ummmm... oh oh!! I know! You knew about the forgery beforehand!
*gives cookie*
The fact that you only heard one testimony from Kristoph made the battle feel very short-lived too. Lots of dialogue in between but they pretty much led you from testimony to *present the final piece of evidence that will screw him over* right away. No sense of victory whatsoever.
Herr Forehead, didn't you notice anything weird about that trial? Um, you seemed VERY prepared....? And...? *hint hint* Ummmm... oh oh!! I know! You knew about the forgery beforehand! *gives cookie* The fact that you only heard one testimony from Kristoph made the battle feel very short-lived too. Lots of dialogue in between but they pretty much led you from testimony to *present the final piece of evidence that will screw him over* right away. No sense of victory whatsoever.
Yeah, Apollo was just there for the ride. Phoenix got the evidence over the course of seven years if the Mason system is correct and Klavier held Apollo's hand in the trial to help him solve the case. Lame!
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Ok, now seriously, I really was annoyed with a bit of case 3 and 4
Case 3:
Spoiler: 4-3
4-4:
Spoiler: 4-4
Oh and in 4-4 having Klaiver air-guitar every 5 seconds got real annoying!
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The last case was also a bust. There wasn't the final 'aha' moment I've always loved about these games, just 'lolownt by jury'. I didn't feel like I did anything, that I was just reading off of a script Phoenix had written for me beforehand. Can't believe that I ended up liking the first case the most.
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Aevitas wrote:
I thought of something else. I was annoyed when Apollo presented the wrong evidence and he says the EXACT SAME THING that Phoenix says when he presents wrong evidence, and the judge replies in the EXACT SAME WAY. They even changed the dialogue for Edgey when you play as him in T&T (and it was awesome)! Apollo doesn't even have his own penalty dialogue in his own game.. wow.
It is a sad day when the supposed main character can't have his own unique dialogue... probably just more subtle hinting of Nick taking over Apollo's game.
Too lazy... hur hur.
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