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Why did he work for the Gavins? It never explains what relationship Kristoph and Apollo had before he became a lawyer. I hope we don't have to wait until the third game in the AJ trilogy to find out... Ideas?
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I figured it was just the first firm that hired him after he passed the bar.
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I was thinking that a back story might have been in the next game. Or, thats just the way it was.
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I just always thought that Polly worked for Kristoph.
Like at his firm.
He just walked in one say, and was like.
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Maybe like a long time ago, one of Apollo's girlfriend's turned out to be a total psycho and committed a murder he got blamed for, and it was Kristoph who figured it all out...>_>

I never really thought of the backstory of Apollo working with Kristoph, but if there is more to it, that's an excuse to bring Kristoph back. If they tried to make him the final villain, it would just be too much like Phoenix Wright. But, with those black Psycho Locks and the fact that we never really got to break him down, they really do need to bring him back.O_o
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In the first game you didn't really learn why Phoenix worked for Mia specifically, just that he wanted to be a lawyer and she hired him. I always assumed the Kristoph and Apollo were similarly casual. Not everything has to have a motive.

(Of course we learn later that there was a reason Phoenix worked for Mia, and though I would like to Kris again, I don't think it's necessary for them to go the same route with him and Apollo)
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In the first game you didn't really learn why Phoenix worked for Mia specifically, just that he wanted to be a lawyer and she hired him. I always assumed the Kristoph and Apollo were similarly casual. Not everything has to have a motive.

(Of course we learn later that there was a reason Phoenix worked for Mia, and though I would like to Kris again, I don't think it's necessary for them to go the same route with him and Apollo)


However, I just wonder WHY Gavin. There must be a LOT of firms in LA, but why him? If it's as simple as him applying, and they were first to hire him, they could just say that.
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Why would they?

Unless why Polly went into Gavin's office is part of the plot, why would they go into it, at all?

It's not a usual topic conversation between lawyers and their clients, or among themselves (except during the hiring process), so there's really no reason for it to ever come up - unless it connects to the plot.
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Kamino Neko wrote:
Why would they?

Unless why Polly went into Gavin's office is part of the plot, why would they go into it, at all?

It's not a usual topic conversation between lawyers and their clients, or among themselves (except during the hiring process), so there's really no reason for it to ever come up - unless it connects to the plot.


I'm sure they coluld work it into am optional conversation between Apollo and Trucy, or something.
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Croik wrote:
In the first game you didn't really learn why Phoenix worked for Mia specifically, just that he wanted to be a lawyer and she hired him. I always assumed the Kristoph and Apollo were similarly casual. Not everything has to have a motive.

(Of course we learn later that there was a reason Phoenix worked for Mia, and though I would like to Kris again, I don't think it's necessary for them to go the same route with him and Apollo)


This, yeah.
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...Why him specifically? There are 15 restaurants in the food court. You decide to get food from one called Joe's Tasties. WHY THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY?
Gavin was either chosen at random, or it was just a writer choice. You don't have to think into it much farther than that.
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... Wasn't Gavin said to be the best defense attorney after Phoenix exited the scene? That's a pretty good motive for Polly to call him up and work for him, hm?
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I have a friend who's a lawyer, and it was hard for her to find a firm to work at when she first passed the bar. It may have been like that for Apollo too, and the Gavin firm may have been the first one to decide to hire him. It may simply be as, well, simple as that. It may also be a secondary reason why he had problems finding work after 4-1; other firms may have already been prejudiced against greenhorns to begin with, and had already turned him down once before, and once the events of 4-1 happened, they had additional reason to shy away from employing him, plus it would've probably scared off any firms that would otherwise have been more receptive.
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Who would you rather work for, Grossberg or Kristoph?>_>

And Kristoph's brother is a cute rock star. Grossberg's disciples became murder victims.>_> Easy choice.

And Kristoph can go Super Saiyan.D :
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Grossberg may also have been retired by that point. Who knows?
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Actually, I imagine it more like...

:odoroki: *strutting around with chest out, because of his new badge*

:garyuu: Sup dawg, I see that fresh gangsta-stylin' badge of yours. You wanna come down with mah pimps and homies?

:odoroki: I would be most delighted, kind sir. I must inquire as to what that drawing is on your right hand.

:garyuu: That's my gang's tattoo, The Defense Devil Hands, yo. If you don't pay us for what we do, we'll dispose of you, just like Gum on a Shoe.

:odoroki: Pleasant. Shall we move along?

:garyuu: Word.
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Actually, I imagine it more like...

:odoroki: *strutting around with chest out, because of his new badge*

:garyuu: Sup dawg, I see that fresh gangsta-stylin' badge of yours. You wanna come down with mah pimps and homies?

:odoroki: I would be most delighted, kind sir. I must inquire as to what that drawing is on your right hand.

:garyuu: That's my gang's tattoo, The Defense Devil Hands, yo. If you don't pay us for what we do, we'll dispose of you, just like Gum on a Shoe.

:odoroki: Pleasant. Shall we move along?

:garyuu: Word.


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Prosecutor Manella wrote:
Actually, I imagine it more like...

:odoroki: *strutting around with chest out, because of his new badge*

:garyuu: Sup dawg, I see that fresh gangsta-stylin' badge of yours. You wanna come down with mah pimps and homies?

:odoroki: I would be most delighted, kind sir. I must inquire as to what that drawing is on your right hand.

:garyuu: That's my gang's tattoo, The Defense Devil Hands, yo. If you don't pay us for what we do, we'll dispose of you, just like Gum on a Shoe.

:odoroki: Pleasant. Shall we move along?

:garyuu: Word.


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Prosecutor Manella wrote:
Actually, I imagine it more like...

:odoroki: *strutting around with chest out, because of his new badge*

:garyuu: Sup dawg, I see that fresh gangsta-stylin' badge of yours. You wanna come down with mah pimps and homies?

:odoroki: I would be most delighted, kind sir. I must inquire as to what that drawing is on your right hand.

:garyuu: That's my gang's tattoo, The Defense Devil Hands, yo. If you don't pay us for what we do, we'll dispose of you, just like Gum on a Shoe.

:odoroki: Pleasant. Shall we move along?

:garyuu: Word.


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Kristoph talking like Wocky?

Wonder how 4-2 would have went is :garyuu: was Wocky's defense attorney(both with and without the gangspeak)
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Maybe Apollo just sacrificed himself for the sake of fanfiction?
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Late to the party, but my theory is Apollo was originally Kristoph's pool boy. He then got promoted to office secretary. Then Kristoph wanted to roleplay Master and Apprentice, so Apollo had to go with that. :shoe:
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I think it got over like this:

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I'm assuming it happened like this.

Apollo: Give me a job? :D
Kristoph: Your hair looks fun to play with.* You're hired.
Apollo: (glee!)

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:garyuu: Now that I have robbed Wright of his badge I must create an empire of powerful defense lawyers. *looks around* YOU!!

:odoroki: M-me?

:garyuu: You work for me now.
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This thread is funny.

:odoroki: Oh yeah, I got my badge! Now who's my first client? ... Wait, I need to find an employer first, don't I? *rushes into Gavin & co. Law Office and holds knife to Kristoph's throat* Hire me or I kill.

:garyuu: Okay, you're hired. But let's get one thing straight: I'm the murderous psycho around here.

:apollo-shock: Wait WHAT?

:garyuu: Um... forget you heard that.
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Here's an idea.

Let's say that :garyuu: had a pretty younger sister (younger than :kyouya:, btw) and :odoroki: wanted to work for :garyuu: so he could have an opportunity to ask said sister out on a date.

:odoroki: is so cute when he's in love.
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I'd like to lay my theory on the table...

So Apollo graduates from college and he needs a mentor to help him train for the bar exam. Apollo knows he'll need more experence and just learning it from law books wasn't going to cut it. So to get more in court experence he desided to go to a famous defence attorney (after Phoenix got disembarred.) so he went over to the Gavin and Co. Law Offices. He probably was nervous and akward as usual but then Kristoph notices his Precieve Ability and sees it as a useful weapon in court. So he becomes Apollo's mentor.
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That's a good question. I've got some possible theories besides the stated ones.

1. The people who adopted Apollo knew Kristoph so they referred him to Kristoph after Apollo passed the bar.

2. Kristoph wanted to hire an assistant/possible lawyer that wouldn't upstage him (and find out the forged paged) and hired Apollo.

Insane Theroy 1. Kristoph was the person who adopted Apollo.

Insane Theroy 2. Apollo used his "Chords of Steel" and kept shouting, so Kristoph hired him so he would stop.
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Next game needs a flashback case where you are Kristoph to explain the backstory between him and Apollo, much like T&T did with Mia and Phoenix. But then that would mean Kristoph is still connected to the main plot somehow.

Everything about Apollo is a mystery, though, especially the motives surrounding the... circumstances of his childhood.
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Everything about Apollo is a mystery, though, especially the motives surrounding the... circumstances of his childhood.

This, plus several other mysteries concerning Thalassa Gramarye and related parties confirm in my mind that the Apollo Justice arc is far from over.

I also think that Machi is going to be the Maya Fey of defendants (accused once in each game). There are unanswered questions concerning him too.

:Maki: Situation... I cannot explain. But money. I needed. Very much money.

What is this 'situation'? Surely he didn't want Lamiroir to see so badly he'd risk his own life!
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Well, isn't it so that the Phoenix=accused case was :odoroki: 's first case? And then we get to know that :garyuu: planned a lot of that story and he wanted to get Phoenix away. So maybe he was just looking for one who would make the dirty work for him or in this case would defend Phoenix 'cause he didn't want him as defense attorney so he looked for an unexperienced rookie he could exploit. He found :odoroki: . Pure coincidence. But he underestimated :odoroki: .
So at least he was the looser :uramidn:
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Well, isn't it so that the Phoenix=accused case was :odoroki: 's first case? And then we get to know that :garyuu: planned a lot of that story and he wanted to get Phoenix away. So maybe he was just looking for one who would make the dirty work for him or in this case would defend Phoenix 'cause he didn't want him as defense attorney so he looked for an unexperienced rookie he could exploit. He found :odoroki: . Pure coincidence. But he underestimated :odoroki: .
So at least he was the looser :uramidn:

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When Phoenix was talking with Zak in the Borscht Bowl Club (more specifically, when you're breaking his psyche-lock), Phoenix mentions that he saw Apollo and noticed his bracelet when he was visiting Kristoph at his law office. Since Zak is still alive at this point, Phoenix can't have been accused... and since Kristoph only knew of Zak's status a couple of minutes earlier, when they passed in the hall, he had no time to hire a pathetic attorney... nor to know that Phoenix would request him.

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