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Praise for GS4 with mixed feelings
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I'll admit it - it was not my intention to start GS4 because I heard of what had happened to Phoenix. Well, because I got the whole set, and also because I am experiencing GS withdrawal symptoms, I played the game - with unexpected results. To tell you the truth, I've thought at first that it was a separate game (The name Apollo Justice doesn't actually scream a direct sequel to the series) until I knew about the Gyakuten Saiban series and the sequence of playing it. And I'll admit - it was good. Though it has its flaws ('incuritis'? Now that's definitely made up because it doesn't make sense medically), it doesn't seem to warrant the bad vibe I seem to get from the fans. And I'll say that I've played my money's worth. The music, gameplay and animations (with 3D and crime recreation) are better than even GS1 -3, fully utilising the DS functions.
The only thing lacking is the story, but give it time, I guess. I just didn't feel as satisfied as I should when I saw the ending.
Anyway. I wanted to ask if anyone had the same experience as I do...those who didn't play AJ first, especially? It was a huge paradigm shift I experienced with AJ. And now I'm a fully fledged fan of GS4.
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Dully: I agree, and I played GS3 first, but I still liked GS4 better because of this character right here - MR. DARYAN CRESCEND TO YOU. THE CRESCENDO. THE BIG D.
Daryan is hoooooot!!!! Not as hot as Apollo but still, hot <3
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Mainly because lots of plot wholes.. and lack of sense.
Also when Godot appeared I thought 'YES' cause he actually was a man XD
And then I saw Klavier.
And Capcom crushed my hopes.
Seriously he kinda ruined it for me xD
And I learned that magicians are plain annoying, AVOID THEM.
I won't start with Ema now.
In 1-5 I liked her and then she became a bitch.
Oh and..
WHO THE FUCK NEEDS CRIME RECREATION
I can't find something to like AJ..
( wow my 888th post is a AJ hater post
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Look on the bright side, at least Apollo's not emo.
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crescendio wrote:
MR. DARYAN CRESCEND TO YOU. THE CRESCENDO. THE BIG D.
That's so true! He's hot - though his hairstyle defies gravity XD.
.•°٭blinq٭°•. wrote:
AJ wasn't nearly as good as the first 3.
Mainly because lots of plot wholes.. and lack of sense.
Mainly because lots of plot wholes.. and lack of sense.
that, sadly is true...the Mason system doesn't make sense at all. To me, at least. But I guess subsequent games will patch the plot holes up. Most of the cases within AJ are sufficiently explained, at least up to 4-4, which seemed too rushed.
.•°٭blinq٭°•. wrote:
AJ wasn't nearly as good as the first 3.
And I learned that magicians are plain annoying, AVOID THEM.
I won't start with Ema now.
In 1-5 I liked her and then she became a bitch.
I can't find something to like AJ..
And I learned that magicians are plain annoying, AVOID THEM.
I won't start with Ema now.
In 1-5 I liked her and then she became a bitch.
I can't find something to like AJ..
I can't say I loved the troupe very much because there isn't much thought going into developing the characters in the Gramarye troupe. I like Trucy well enough though. (:
Ema...changed. In a way, her personality is like Maya, only less dedicated to solving crimes unless there is science in it.
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In a way, her personality is like Maya, only less dedicated to solving crimes unless there is science in it.
Hell no, if she was like Maya I wouldn't hate her so much xD
Obviously the only thing Ema is good at is throwing snacks at people
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theufw wrote:
I've no idea whether this is in the right forum, or whether this forum loves bumping old threads...because I tried searching and came up with nothing (saying something about my searching skill)
I'll admit it - it was not my intention to start GS4 because I heard of what had happened to Phoenix. Well, because I got the whole set, and also because I am experiencing GS withdrawal symptoms, I played the game - with unexpected results. To tell you the truth, I've thought at first that it was a separate game (The name Apollo Justice doesn't actually scream a direct sequel to the series) until I knew about the Gyakuten Saiban series and the sequence of playing it. And I'll admit - it was good. Though it has its flaws ('incuritis'? Now that's definitely made up because it doesn't make sense medically), it doesn't seem to warrant the bad vibe I seem to get from the fans. And I'll say that I've played my money's worth. The music, gameplay and animations (with 3D and crime recreation) are better than even GS1 -3, fully utilising the DS functions.
The only thing lacking is the story, but give it time, I guess. I just didn't feel as satisfied as I should when I saw the ending.
Anyway. I wanted to ask if anyone had the same experience as I do...those who didn't play AJ first, especially? It was a huge paradigm shift I experienced with AJ. And now I'm a fully fledged fan of GS4.
I'll admit it - it was not my intention to start GS4 because I heard of what had happened to Phoenix. Well, because I got the whole set, and also because I am experiencing GS withdrawal symptoms, I played the game - with unexpected results. To tell you the truth, I've thought at first that it was a separate game (The name Apollo Justice doesn't actually scream a direct sequel to the series) until I knew about the Gyakuten Saiban series and the sequence of playing it. And I'll admit - it was good. Though it has its flaws ('incuritis'? Now that's definitely made up because it doesn't make sense medically), it doesn't seem to warrant the bad vibe I seem to get from the fans. And I'll say that I've played my money's worth. The music, gameplay and animations (with 3D and crime recreation) are better than even GS1 -3, fully utilising the DS functions.
The only thing lacking is the story, but give it time, I guess. I just didn't feel as satisfied as I should when I saw the ending.
Anyway. I wanted to ask if anyone had the same experience as I do...those who didn't play AJ first, especially? It was a huge paradigm shift I experienced with AJ. And now I'm a fully fledged fan of GS4.
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.•°٭blinq٭°•. wrote:
AJ wasn't nearly as good as the first 3.
Mainly because lots of plot wholes.. and lack of sense.
Mainly because lots of plot wholes.. and lack of sense.
Plot holes? Are you expecting this to be the last will see of Apollo? Well, sorry, but Apollo's story isn't over yet
. In GS1, there were no loose ends or plot holes, because capcom didn't expect it to be so popular. Now, they're taking their sweet time with developing the story.
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THE BIG D.
Big D? You can say that again
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Well, then I finaly did get to the fourth game, and at first I was like, "... the interface is exactly the same." Then I clicked on the first case and was impressed by the intro. And then the game really starts. The first, best impression I've had was the throbbing lobby music and the lines, "(Panicked... Palms sweaty... I can admit it. I'm nervous.)" And the rest is history. I loved the game. The characters are intersting.
Apollo has got to be one of the cuttest and akward things I've seen (until I met Tsuna,) and his backstory is what I want to get into now that I know the basis for it. (Is one of the reasons that I can't wait for the next game.)
Trucy is self explanatory. She runs the show- or runs Apollo. What he'd do without her... I have no idea.
Klavier was very interesting. It was nice to have a prosecutor who wanted to be your friend too. He reminds me of a retriever.
Kristoph. There's nothing I can say but that he was one of the best villains I've met in a long while. What a lovely facade he put up, only truely revealing his contempt at the end of it all.
Spoiler: 4-4
So all in all, I like the Apollo Justice series more than I do the classic. This is probably because of the backstory and storyline potential it has. I'm a sucker for a good story. Even if I have to wait a few years to get my answers.
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Roxas the Composer wrote:
One of my awesome friends loaded the series into a gun and shot it at me. Repeatedly. She eventualy got me to play it- as I heard of it before- and I started out with the first game. By the second game, I had some odd feeling of wanting to play the fourth game. From my research, it had new characters and improved graphics, and there wasn't anything they could really expand on Phoenix, since they wrapped it all up in the first. I have this deep, hereditary longing for the new, so I felt like I almost ran through the other two games so I could get to GS4. That was until 3-5. I think that was the best case out of all the games. I took my sweet time with that one. ;D
Well, then I finaly did get to the fourth game, and at first I was like, "... the interface is exactly the same." Then I clicked on the first case and was impressed by the intro. And then the game really starts. The first, best impression I've had was the throbbing lobby music and the lines, "(Panicked... Palms sweaty... I can admit it. I'm nervous.)" And the rest is history. I loved the game. The characters are intersting.
Apollo has got to be one of the cuttest and akward things I've seen (until I met Tsuna,) and his backstory is what I want to get into now that I know the basis for it. (Is one of the reasons that I can't wait for the next game.)
Trucy is self explanatory. She runs the show- or runs Apollo. What he'd do without her... I have no idea.
Klavier was very interesting. It was nice to have a prosecutor who wanted to be your friend too. He reminds me of a retriever.
Kristoph. There's nothing I can say but that he was one of the best villains I've met in a long while. What a lovely facade he put up, only truely revealing his contempt at the end of it all.
So all in all, I like the Apollo Justice series more than I do the classic. This is probably because of the backstory and storyline potential it has. I'm a sucker for a good story. Even if I have to wait a few years to get my answers.
Well, then I finaly did get to the fourth game, and at first I was like, "... the interface is exactly the same." Then I clicked on the first case and was impressed by the intro. And then the game really starts. The first, best impression I've had was the throbbing lobby music and the lines, "(Panicked... Palms sweaty... I can admit it. I'm nervous.)" And the rest is history. I loved the game. The characters are intersting.
Apollo has got to be one of the cuttest and akward things I've seen (until I met Tsuna,) and his backstory is what I want to get into now that I know the basis for it. (Is one of the reasons that I can't wait for the next game.)
Trucy is self explanatory. She runs the show- or runs Apollo. What he'd do without her... I have no idea.
Klavier was very interesting. It was nice to have a prosecutor who wanted to be your friend too. He reminds me of a retriever.
Kristoph. There's nothing I can say but that he was one of the best villains I've met in a long while. What a lovely facade he put up, only truely revealing his contempt at the end of it all.
Spoiler: 4-4
So all in all, I like the Apollo Justice series more than I do the classic. This is probably because of the backstory and storyline potential it has. I'm a sucker for a good story. Even if I have to wait a few years to get my answers.
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Roxas the Composer wrote:
One of my awesome friends loaded the series into a gun and shot it at me. Repeatedly. She eventualy got me to play it- as I heard of it before- and I started out with the first game. By the second game, I had some odd feeling of wanting to play the fourth game. From my research, it had new characters and improved graphics, and there wasn't anything they could really expand on Phoenix, since they wrapped it all up in the first. I have this deep, hereditary longing for the new, so I felt like I almost ran through the other two games so I could get to GS4. That was until 3-5. I think that was the best case out of all the games. I took my sweet time with that one. ;D
Well, then I finaly did get to the fourth game, and at first I was like, "... the interface is exactly the same." Then I clicked on the first case and was impressed by the intro. And then the game really starts. The first, best impression I've had was the throbbing lobby music and the lines, "(Panicked... Palms sweaty... I can admit it. I'm nervous.)" And the rest is history. I loved the game. The characters are intersting.
Apollo has got to be one of the cuttest and akward things I've seen (until I met Tsuna,) and his backstory is what I want to get into now that I know the basis for it. (Is one of the reasons that I can't wait for the next game.)
Trucy is self explanatory. She runs the show- or runs Apollo. What he'd do without her... I have no idea.
Klavier was very interesting. It was nice to have a prosecutor who wanted to be your friend too. He reminds me of a retriever.
Kristoph. There's nothing I can say but that he was one of the best villains I've met in a long while. What a lovely facade he put up, only truely revealing his contempt at the end of it all.
So all in all, I like the Apollo Justice series more than I do the classic. This is probably because of the backstory and storyline potential it has. I'm a sucker for a good story. Even if I have to wait a few years to get my answers.
Well, then I finaly did get to the fourth game, and at first I was like, "... the interface is exactly the same." Then I clicked on the first case and was impressed by the intro. And then the game really starts. The first, best impression I've had was the throbbing lobby music and the lines, "(Panicked... Palms sweaty... I can admit it. I'm nervous.)" And the rest is history. I loved the game. The characters are intersting.
Apollo has got to be one of the cuttest and akward things I've seen (until I met Tsuna,) and his backstory is what I want to get into now that I know the basis for it. (Is one of the reasons that I can't wait for the next game.)
Trucy is self explanatory. She runs the show- or runs Apollo. What he'd do without her... I have no idea.
Klavier was very interesting. It was nice to have a prosecutor who wanted to be your friend too. He reminds me of a retriever.
Kristoph. There's nothing I can say but that he was one of the best villains I've met in a long while. What a lovely facade he put up, only truely revealing his contempt at the end of it all.
Spoiler: 4-4
So all in all, I like the Apollo Justice series more than I do the classic. This is probably because of the backstory and storyline potential it has. I'm a sucker for a good story. Even if I have to wait a few years to get my answers.
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1: What's the point of introducing a new attorney if he's Phoenix's shadow, limb for limb? Apollo has exactly the same personality as Phoenix. Fix that in GS5 pl0x.
2: Herr Klavier is a moron. I hate him. He's such a show-off.
3: 4-4 sucked the big one. So much buildup....for nothing.
And as for the first post saying you were heistent to play it because of what they did to Phoenix? Believe me, I know. I was on an AJ Boycott for about 2 years for that very same reason. But it's really not as bad as they made it seem.
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1: What's the point of introducing a new attorney if he's Phoenix's shadow, limb for limb? Apollo has exactly the same personality as Phoenix. Fix that in GS5 pl0x.
I don't think that's true at all. They were very similar, sure, but there are some major differences. Apollo is more emotional - when was the last time Phoenix broke down crying, or punched someone in anger? Usually it's Phoenix getting punched!
Apollo talks frequently about staying up all night practicing and studying, while Phoenix's creating artist described him as someone who lays around the house all day watching TV and surfing the internet. Apollo was excited about going out and finding Wocky as a client despite not even meeting him before the first day of court; Phoenix takes cases he has a personal involvement in, or else is dragged out by Maya.
Sure they both have sarcastic senses of humor, and especially because of the Maya/Trucy parallel the voice of the game is very familiar, but they're still very different characters with different motivations and habits.
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Usually it's Phoenix getting punched!
It was Phoenix getting punched in this one as it is!
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Croik wrote:
BBdoubleB wrote:
1: What's the point of introducing a new attorney if he's Phoenix's shadow, limb for limb? Apollo has exactly the same personality as Phoenix. Fix that in GS5 pl0x.
I don't think that's true at all. They were very similar, sure, but there are some major differences. Apollo is more emotional - when was the last time Phoenix broke down crying, or punched someone in anger? Usually it's Phoenix getting punched!
Apollo talks frequently about staying up all night practicing and studying, while Phoenix's creating artist described him as someone who lays around the house all day watching TV and surfing the internet. Apollo was excited about going out and finding Wocky as a client despite not even meeting him before the first day of court; Phoenix takes cases he has a personal involvement in, or else is dragged out by Maya.
Sure they both have sarcastic senses of humor, and especially because of the Maya/Trucy parallel the voice of the game is very familiar, but they're still very different characters with different motivations and habits.
I don't think there's ever been a new protagonist who thinks he isn't living in his predecessor's shadow. Did Rodimus Prime think he could distinguish himself from Optimus Prime when he looked at Optimus Prime's statue? Did Optimus Primal know that he was gonna surpass the original Optimus Prime when he began the Beast Wars?
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Optimus Prime wrote:
Croik wrote:
BBdoubleB wrote:
1: What's the point of introducing a new attorney if he's Phoenix's shadow, limb for limb? Apollo has exactly the same personality as Phoenix. Fix that in GS5 pl0x.
I don't think that's true at all. They were very similar, sure, but there are some major differences. Apollo is more emotional - when was the last time Phoenix broke down crying, or punched someone in anger? Usually it's Phoenix getting punched!
Apollo talks frequently about staying up all night practicing and studying, while Phoenix's creating artist described him as someone who lays around the house all day watching TV and surfing the internet. Apollo was excited about going out and finding Wocky as a client despite not even meeting him before the first day of court; Phoenix takes cases he has a personal involvement in, or else is dragged out by Maya.
Sure they both have sarcastic senses of humor, and especially because of the Maya/Trucy parallel the voice of the game is very familiar, but they're still very different characters with different motivations and habits.
I don't think there's ever been a new protagonist who thinks he isn't living in his predecessor's shadow. Did Rodimus Prime think he could distinguish himself from Optimus Prime when he looked at Optimus Prime's statue? Did Optimus Primal know that he was gonna surpass the original Optimus Prime when he began the Beast Wars?
Not to mention Simon & Kamina from Gurren Lagann...
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Croik wrote:
BBdoubleB wrote:
1: What's the point of introducing a new attorney if he's Phoenix's shadow, limb for limb? Apollo has exactly the same personality as Phoenix. Fix that in GS5 pl0x.
I don't think that's true at all. They were very similar, sure, but there are some major differences. Apollo is more emotional - when was the last time Phoenix broke down crying, or punched someone in anger? Usually it's Phoenix getting punched!
Apollo talks frequently about staying up all night practicing and studying, while Phoenix's creating artist described him as someone who lays around the house all day watching TV and surfing the internet. Apollo was excited about going out and finding Wocky as a client despite not even meeting him before the first day of court; Phoenix takes cases he has a personal involvement in, or else is dragged out by Maya.
Sure they both have sarcastic senses of humor, and especially because of the Maya/Trucy parallel the voice of the game is very familiar, but they're still very different characters with different motivations and habits.
When was the last time Phoenix broke down crying? Well, can we consider the end of 2-4 as crying?
I think Phoenix hit Mia in 3-1 too, obviously that doesn't count, just mentioning it. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him hitting somebody if they pissed him off enough [Although I guess it'd be hard to piss him off more than
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That's true, we can clearly see Apollo's enthusiasm....but even though the director describes him as being lazy out of court, I never once even GUESSED about that, either the translator team's fault for omitting something or the developer's fault for being vague about it. ...Either way, if he hadn't made that statement, I doubt you'd think of Phoenix as lazy.
How personally involved was Phoenix in 1-5 and 2-1?
Also, it's not just the sarcasm. They have the same approach on thinking: "Act first, think later."
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Also, I felt that the final case was a real disappointment, presenting no real challenge (other than finding Brushel's habit) and the stand-off at the end with Kristoph, merely consisted of uncovering his easy-to-find habit, doing a couple of easy presents, and then spending the next 15-20 minutes skipping through Kristoph talking with his brother. Given that it was the final bit of the final case, I had expected for a more epic ending.
In conclusion, I'd say that AJ, while not a bad game, is nowhere near as good as the other three Ace Attorney games.
Here's hoping that GS5 can go some way to rectifying that! *crosses fingers*
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... and there's need of prosecutor you could hate .. Klavier isn't really a competition.
Though it isn't bad game
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Didn't notice any plot holes or anything.
I had never played the first Ace Attorney, so I couldn't comment on Ema at the time. Now, I agree, she is incredibly irratating.
But the second case was dull as all hell. And Because of that I enjoyesd T&T more
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Apollo is a great, fresh character, but he seems to just be a copy of Phoenix in some ways. Some parts of the game I noticed that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference if Phoenix and Maya were talking or if it was Apollo and Trucy had the names been taken away. Sure, Apollo seems to care more about his career, but... I don't know. Maybe I'm just biased.
There were many new characters who were amazing. Kristoph, Klavier, Vera, all these people are unlike characters we've seen before. Klavier, though, needs more of a stronger presence as a main prosecutor.
The bracelet effect was cool, the music was amazing, and I really liked the new courtroom look.
Case 4-2 was so incredibly dull I nearly died, but cases 4-1 and 4-4 were really great. It's not often you get a really fun beginning case.
Overall, Apollo Justice was really good. The cases were interesting and they were new ideas, nothing we've seen before. It was just a little bit hard dealing with having a new main character.
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It also fixed things that maybe weren't so great in the first three games. Like those horrible moments where you've got about ten bits of testimony, six pages of evidence, and three pages of profiles — and no freakin' idea what you're supposed to be proving. Not a problem in Apollo Justice. The game does a great job of making sure you always know just enough so it's challenging but not frustrating. Even the Psyche-Locks were fun, and I hate Psyche-Locks.
And the artwork was amazing. Wesley's "shocked" animation made me laugh out loud every single time I saw it.
AND! NO MORE HIDEOUS YELLOW COURTROOM! It's about time.
Yeah, I love it, basically. (And Apollo.
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Good things bout GS4
Kristoph was the Spoiler:
3D, DS style features!
The fact that the PW arc hasnt just been completely forgotten and ignored.
I thought Klavier
was a genuienly interesting prosecutor, he isnt all 'must kill Apollo' 'must come back from hell to defeat this guy' 'must keep a perfect reputation and 100% win record' etc.The Music just seems to keep getting better!
The fact case 1 actually has some significance (like 3-1)
The Mini PW Trial in Case 4
Things that weren't so good.
Preparing to get a horrible backlash here...
The Gramaryes and Trucy
... I won't go into to much detail, because people will pick me apart on this, but I thought Trucy was boring and too similar to Maya type character, Spirit Channeling always had more possibilites than Magic I think.Enough of them,
No Psyche Locks, I kinda miss them...
Spoiler: Case 2 villain
Matt DeMasque!
*Currently playing Spirit of Justice*
*Currently playing Spirit of Justice*
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<3 Kristoph, Btw XD
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The plot was predictable, slow and not very thought-through. To make things worse, almost all the new characters were one-dimensional, and the old characters were all OOC. You can't present profiles either.
That's what I didn't like about the game, but it has its good points too - like the scientific investigations, the animations, the music... And I have to admit that I liked the game's humour more than in the first three games.
But yeah, the game could definitely have been better. I would have liked it more if the old characters were replaced by new characters.
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Really sometimes I wonder if it would be possible to do GS4 without Pheonix in the game in the first place (albeit with a much different plot, but still...).
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neoswordmaster wrote:
Truth is, I like the new game and characters. But I just don't like how Capcom handled the storytelling. Besides the huge plotholes, GS4 put way too much emphasis on Phoenix's role rather than Apollo's, which lead to what garners most of his hate. This can be especially seen in 4-4 where you spend roughly half the case playing as Phoenix, only to have a dissapointing ending trial with Apollo.
Really sometimes I wonder if it would be possible to do GS4 without Pheonix in the game in the first place (albeit with a much different plot, but still...).
Really sometimes I wonder if it would be possible to do GS4 without Pheonix in the game in the first place (albeit with a much different plot, but still...).
I guess that's one of my main complaints as well. In this game, even though Phoenix was supposedly a supporting character, he took a lot of the spotlight away from Apollo. All the current cases just became extensions of Phoenix' case seven years ago.
Another thing is that I didn't really feel any connection with any of the defendants, since Apollo didn't get to talk with any of them before the trial began.
Spoiler:
The ending also wasn't as good as it could have been. It didn't have as much impact as T&T's ending because through so much information at you at the very end that you couldn't feel anything. The last part of 4-4's trial didn't carry as much impact either. Teaming up with the prosecution to take out the bad guy couldn've felt so much more awesome. Take the last part of 2-4's trial.
Spoiler:
I still liked the game, though. All the specs were better than the previous Ace Attorney games, since it was made for the DS and not just a port from the GBA. I'd buy the sequel if they make one as long as it focuses on Apollo more.
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But, after I saw the first pictures of the new Cast, it was kind of promising.
The idea of giving Phönix not only a totally new image but also giving him a daughter was kinda interesting, and I liked Apollo from the get go, even when he looked realy like a Phönix 2.0.
Okay, I didn't knew what I should think about Klavier, but atleast I was happy to see that Capcom didn't made a big mistake.
When I than could play it (damn capcom, I know in Germany your games aren't that succesful, but come on
), I totaly fell in love with it. Okay, Apollo didn't get his time to shine in his first game, but, I liked him a lot (even a bit more than Phönix *get behind something to protect me from stones coming out from everywhere 
*)Also, the game itself was pretty nice, the only thing I missed there was a chase about the actual Silver-Samurai XD
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