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So, I'm wondering...

How's Minuki as a character and what's your opinion about her? Has she any distinctive traits which makes her different from Maya and Young Ema? Does she replace them perfectly? Any remarkable relationships?

I'm wondering because I was not too fond of Maya, because of her rather childish behaviour. I thought Minuki would be more mature when watching the pre-release set of official goods, but I guess I doubt it now. But I hope I will like her.

I don't mind spoilers, but still put them in spoiler tags. Yanni Yogi (And I know that Croik has already a decent profile for her, but I want to know a little more about her)
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To be honest...I did not like Minuki.

Spoiler: general, though vague spoilers
Though she had her cute moments, I was hoping for a different dynamic between her and Odoroki. At times, I really wished she was more supportive (though I will be fair and say she has her moments). At times, I wondered why she was even there. At times, I wished she would just shut up so I could pretend she didn't exist.

I don't really do well with cutesy-cute characters for the most part. I dislike the whole "referring to yourself in the third person", her "cute points" weren't to my taste. Everything about her felt artificial, from her relationship with "Papa" to her entire personality. I felt like her dynamic with Odoroki came across as forced because it just...started instantly. There was never a point where I felt like they needed to get to know one another. I felt like she was teasing long before it was appropriate for the level of their relationship, which made me resent her. (Every time Odoroki told her "urusai na" I definitely felt the same way)

I didn't like the stunt she pulled in 4-2 and the way she tricked Odoroki into thinking something had happened, then laughed or got dismissive when he took it seriously enough to get worried over her. I still get a little frothy over that goddamn angle of shot bit in 4-2. I know they were trying to make her come across as helpful, but I felt like they did it at the expense of the player.

Basically, to sum it up, she lost me from the beginning, and never regained enough ground for me to like her. There were a couple of times she made me laugh, a couple of times when I found her charming--I still crack a grin at that trick she does when you show her Odoroki's badge. But overall, once I settled on my opinion, no matter how hard I tried to keep myself open, I couldn't like her because a lot of what she said irritated me. I swear, it's like half my notes for the game are "SHUT UP, MINUKI"

But that's just my opinion. I feel really bad, because I WANTED to like her. There are things I like about her--I RAVE about her theme, I love her character design, and she was a darling kid. I've liked most of the GS women. I don't like it when I dislike female characters. I really struggled to be fair, but that's just the way it ended up.

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I agree that Minuki was kind of a mixed bag. Sometimes she was really cute, and sometimes she got on my nerves. And while it seemed like in case 2 and the first half of case 3 she was TOO helpful, in the latter half of 3 and all through 4 she pretty much didn't do anything. I don't know if it was meant to give the impression that Odorki was just getting better, but...it kinda felt like the writers forgot about her by the end XD;;;.

Her interaction with Odoroki isn't much different than Maya's was with Phoenix, except that she's actually acting her age, while Maya was acting younger...? I liked Ema better than Maya anyway, I think she's my favorite of the assistants.

Spoiler: "big 4-4 spoiler"
I can understand how she and Odoroki had an instant connection because they actually are related. By the end they do kinda act like siblings, with Minuki teasing him and Odoroki letting her tag along even if he doesn't like everything she does. And Minuki seems like the kind of person who could be friends with anyone until they give her a reason not to. Their friendship doesn't feel terribly strong yet but I think it has the potential to get better. I do hope something a little more personal affects the two of them in the next game, so they can bond on a deeper level. ......as long as she isn't accused of murder :(


In short, she's not awesome, not awful, and she does still kinda feel like a Maya clone. With...slightly more ambiguous morals.
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Croik wrote:
Spoiler: "big 4-4 spoiler"
I can understand how she and Odoroki had an instant connection because they actually are related. [...]

I do hope something a little more personal affects the two of them in the next game, so they can bond on a deeper level. ......as long as she isn't accused of murder :(



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Eh, I don't think being blood related has anything to do with how people get along--especially if they haven't been raised together. They were strangers when they first met. Half the time I didn't even understand why they were hanging around with one another. 4-2, I could understand, but in 4-3 I was like "...Does Phoenix need a free babysitter or something?" I can't see any reason she would feel comfortable acting the way she did towards him right off the bat, except sort of lazy writing. I mean, I know to some it won't be a big issue at all, but it really irked me.

As for a closer bond, I'm all for it. She'll probably never be my favorite character, but it would be nice if I could, uh, tolerate her? But, yeah, no murder charges, please...

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Well, I don't necessarily like that they weren't able to have a deeper relationship, but I understand how you could tack on "they're family" and it makes a little more sense. Neither of them really seem to look like or take after their mother in an obvious way, but it's possible there's something inherent about Minuki that reminds Odoroki of his mom.

...Which, saying it now, it does sound really cheap XD. I think they just took for granted that Odoroki needed a young perky sidekick.

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5$ Minuki is a defendant in GS5.
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$5 KYOUYA is a defendant on GS5.

And the only thing I know about Minuki is that she looks awesome, so I'll just comment on that. She looks AWESOME.

And the Jazz version of her theme kicks too much ass. (Even if the band gave Odoroki's theme a cameo right in the middle. XD)
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Who shall I bet on? I know: $5 EMA is a defendant in GS5.

I understand why some are disliking her, I never had a heart for uber-cute characters either. Knock Knock Except for Pearl.

But I'll make my final decision once the game comes out in English.
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Happiness Punch! wrote:
I understand why some are disliking her, I never had a heart for uber-cute characters either. Knock Knock


BLASPHEMER.

Anyways... I like Minuki a lot (Possibly enough for this fanboy phase of mine to get out of hand.) even though I only understood half of what was going on when I played GS4. I like her design and her theme and her cuteness. HER CUTENESS. I payed attention only to her cute moments, and ignored all the other ones since, heck, I didn't know what was going on, so... yeah. :P
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Okay, two questions I didn't post in the 'I just want to know one thing'-topic because I'd like a longer answer if possible.

Spoiler: Phoenix and Minuki
Why the hell would Phoenix adopt her? o_O Just curious.
Does she live with him?


Spoiler: Minuki and Housuke
Does Odoroki know Phoenix adopted her?

And, do both of them know their mother? They're blood related, aren't they?

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polkadot wrote:
Spoiler: Phoenix and Minuki
Why the hell would Phoenix adopt her? o_O Just curious.
Does she live with him?



Spoiler: .Sal.
Phoenix is a pedophile, and Pearl somehow got away.

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Bad Mikker! Redd White

Spoiler: "Phoenix's reasoning"
Phoenix adopted her right after her father split town. They don't go terribly into what prompted him to do so, except that he sensed there was something very wrong about the Arumajiki family, and he came to feel it was his job to protect Minuki from them. She was about 8 at the time so I imagine she must be living with him.

But then, they don't give the impression that Phoenix went through an actual adoption process, so who knows if his care over her is entirely legal...?


Spoiler: "Odoroki and Minuki"
At the end of the game they don't know yet that they're half siblings. For whatever reason their mother didn't feel that it was the right time (which I personally think is stupid and rather selfish of her) But Odoroki knows that Minuki is Phoenix's "daughter" because that's how she was first introduced to him.


Spoiler: "As an added note about Odoroki's backstory..."
As for Odoroki himself we don't know anything of how he grew up, other than his father is most likely dead and his mother gave him up before going into her second marriage. We don't even know if HE knows he was raised away from his real parents. Chances are he doesn't suspect at all about his real mother or Minuki.

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Spoiler: GS5 speculation
I imagine that Lamiroir not taking back Odoroki and Minuki is going to be a plot point; sooner or later (possibly with a case involving her as more than a witness), she'll probably take them back from Phoenix, Odoroki will find another mentor, and that'll be how the old cast is (almost, with the possible exception of Ema) phased out. That is, unless people want *more* of the old cast to come back.

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jamar wrote:
Spoiler: GS5 speculation
I imagine that Lamiroir not taking back Odoroki and Minuki is going to be a plot point; sooner or later (possibly with a case involving her as more than a witness), she'll probably take them back from Phoenix, Odoroki will find another mentor, and that'll be how the old cast is (almost, with the possible exception of Ema) phased out. That is, unless people want *more* of the old cast to come back.



Spoiler: sarcasm and 3-5 spoilers
No! Hobo Phoenix will kill Lamiroir in a misguided attempt to protect Minuki in GS5 and get carted off to jail. To rape Kirihito some more. Minuki will be sad for aproximately 2.5 seconds before she realizes that Lamiroir is possibly the worst mother in the games, which is really saying something when you have Morgan "BATSHIT" Fey, and Misty "LOL PICTURE BOOKS! MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAISING MY KIDS!" Fey as examples.

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musouka wrote:
jamar wrote:
Spoiler: GS5 speculation
I imagine that Lamiroir not taking back Odoroki and Minuki is going to be a plot point; sooner or later (possibly with a case involving her as more than a witness), she'll probably take them back from Phoenix, Odoroki will find another mentor, and that'll be how the old cast is (almost, with the possible exception of Ema) phased out. That is, unless people want *more* of the old cast to come back.



Spoiler: sarcasm and 3-5 spoilers
No! Hobo Phoenix will kill Lamiroir in a misguided attempt to protect Minuki in GS5 and get carted off to jail. To rape Kirihito some more. Minuki will be sad for aproximately 2.5 seconds before she realizes that Lamiroir is possibly the worst mother in the games, which is really saying something when you have Morgan "BATSHIT" Fey, and Misty "LOL PICTURE BOOKS! MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAISING MY KIDS!" Fey as examples.


I LOL'D.

On topic: I haven't played GS4 so I don't have much of an opinion on Minuki...based on my opinion on Maya and what people are saying in this topic, I probably won't like her Sadshoe But for now, her character design is adorable and her theme is love, so I'll try to like her I guess.
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Come to think of it...are there ANY positive parental figures in the PW games? All the Fey men walked out or are dead, Karma turned Miles and Franziska into perfection-crazed Karma-clones, Morgan was a freak, Misty....errrrrr, yeah.

Spoiler: "Minuki's daddeh"
Minuki got some wacky ideas about how the law works from Phoenix. Not to mention he put her to work at the tender age of 15! Guy's gotta take a class or something, seriously.

And then there's Kagerou, who smacks women with bottles!!


I guess the only really good example is Gregory Edgeworth, and he's dead, too.

Maybe the Amasugi's shouldn't have kids after all. Acro
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Come to think of it...are there ANY positive parental figures in the PW games?


...Russell Berry? But then again teaching kids to believe that dead people becomes stars is exaggerated and not smart Yanni Yogi

Oh, and come to think of it... that makes my PW OC even more unique ~~ Oops, shouldn't reveal.
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Come to think of it...are there ANY positive parental figures in the PW games?


...Russell Berry? But then again teaching kids to believe that dead people becomes stars is exaggerated and not smart Yanni Yogi

Oh, and come to think of it... that makes my PW OC even more unique ~~ Oops, shouldn't reveal.


The "people become stars" thing is just a fairytale he told his child when she was sad about someone dying, no harm in that and it made her feel better.

My beef with him is Regina in general. She's a 16 year old and she doesn't even seem to know that a puppet is not a separate entity from the puppeteer. She has no empathy for anything until the very end. She treats death as a joke. The problem isn't that he told her that people become stars. The problem is that the way he raised her, when he told her that she felt it gave her an excuse to not care if people died and to flaunt it as fact in the face of grieving people. Everyone says he was a great guy and maybe he is, but he was a pretty crappy parent as far as things go.

...But I apologize, that was rather off-topic >>; But yeah, Gregory seems to be the only good parent and he's dead >>;
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Russell kept Regina far too sheltered. It's like that phrase goes, "sometimes the greatest kindness is the greatest cruelty". Yes, he protected Regina from all the bad things in the outside world, but she's so naive as a result, I don't think she'd actually be able to cope with life outside the Circus.

Spoiler: 3-5
Would Bikini count as a positive parental figure? I haven't played 3-5, but honestly, from what I can tell, the only difference between Ayame and Chinami is the way they were raised. It sort of adds a tragic aspect to Chinami, it's not that she was born evil, but that she was twisted into becoming what she was by her father. If he'd kept Ayame, she probably would have been just as twisted, but since she was actually raised by someone who cared for her, she grew up to be a good person.


I could be wrong though. (Waits for September. Edgy)

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Hmm, I hadn't thought of that, Soul! I guess that makes... 2 good parents XD;;;
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I don't know I like Minuki. I mean sure she does some crazy things, but didn't people think of Ema as a Maya clone at first but then warmed up to her?

I think by the next game people will be totally in love with Minuki.
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I have to say that after playing through all the games, the Fey family is the second most dysfunctional
Spoiler: just to be safe
and the Arumajiki family is THE most dysfunctional.
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Tomoshibi Amatsu wrote:
I don't know I like Minuki. I mean sure she does some crazy things, but didn't people think of Ema as a Maya clone at first but then warmed up to her?



Ema had a single case to win me over. She did. Minuki had an entire GAME to win me over. She didn't.
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I'm just saying that Minuki is just a character people need to get used too that's all. I bet when GS5 comes around a lot of the nay sayers will be saying they love Minuki.

Besides it's not fair to say that Minuki had a whole game to impress people. Heck Odoroki had a whole game to impress people too and well people complain we got no development from him either.

What I'm saying is. It's hard to really cement Odoroki and Minuki into the series and tell if they're good or bad characters considering GS4 was more about Phoenix than either of them. I mean heck I think Odoroki is too much of a "by the book" kind of guy that it get's annoying, but other than that I still like Odoroki's character.
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Tomoshibi Amatsu wrote:
I'm just saying that Minuki is just a character people need to get used too that's all. I bet when GS5 comes around a lot of the nay sayers will be saying they love Minuki.

Besides it's not fair to say that Minuki had a whole game to impress people. Heck Odoroki had a whole game to impress people too and well people complain we got no development from him either.

What I'm saying is. It's hard to really cement Odoroki and Minuki into the series and tell if they're good or bad characters considering GS4 was more about Phoenix than either of them. I mean heck I think Odoroki is too much of a "by the book" kind of guy that it get's annoying, but other than that I still like Odoroki's character.


I see where you're coming from, however, characters don't need large amounts of character development or spectacular actions for us to get our opinions of them. Three cases of plenty of time to get a good grasp of Minuki's daily interactions with people and her mannerisms. Unless she changes significantly in future games, the people who don't like her now probably still won't like her later. Same with any character, really.
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Tomoshibi Amatsu wrote:
I'm just saying that Minuki is just a character people need to get used too that's all. I bet when GS5 comes around a lot of the nay sayers will be saying they love Minuki.


She's a main character. It's NEVER taken me more than a single case for me to like any of the seconds. I don't see why Minuki would be different in that regard. It's not as though I went into the game expecting to dislike her.

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Besides it's not fair to say that Minuki had a whole game to impress people. Heck Odoroki had a whole game to impress people too and well people complain we got no development from him either.


Development =/= likeablity. I love Odoroki, and I also think he was under-developed. It's not that I need to know more about Minuki in order to like her, it's that her personality is irritating to me.
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To those of you who are saying Odoroki and Minuki's relationship develops too quickly, you're forgetting that cases don't take place directly after one another. Odoroki and Minuki had plenty of time to bond between 4-2 and 4-3.
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Ted Justice wrote:
To those of you who are saying Odoroki and Minuki's relationship develops too quickly, you're forgetting that cases don't take place directly after one another. Odoroki and Minuki had plenty of time to bond between 4-2 and 4-3.


I was talking about in 4-2.
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I kinda liked her. She was a change of pace from Maya and Pearl, to be sure.

Spoiler: Various spoilers about game dialogue, Minuki's personality, and her interactions with Odoroki
Minuki seems much more down-to-earth in general as compared to Maya. Sure, Minuki has her share of fantasies and dreams, as all 15-year-olds do, but she also has a solid sense of reality, working a job doing what she's good at and helping to support Phoenix. Maya seemed like more of a moocher, really. Watching TV shows all day, fleecing Phoenix by making him buy her cards/food/whatever. (Yes, Minuki did take out an advance loan for 15 years worth of allowance to buy all the Garyuu Wave CDs/DVDs, but I was under the impression she actually had the intent to pay it back.)

It's clear to me that Phoenix's 7 years of parenting has had quite a bit of influence on Minuki, also. I was highly amused when Odoroki and Minuki had the Phoenix/Maya "ladder/stepladder" debate, only reversed...it was Odoroki who gave the "you've got to look at the basic nature of things" speech. :maya: Makes me realize that in some ways, Minuki is more like Phoenix, and Odoroki is ... okay, maybe he's not really that Maya-like. But he does call it a "ladder". And his "voice projecting practice" is pretty out there, I don't think that helps him any more than Maya would improve her skills by standing under a waterfall. :aiga:

As for why Minuki gets along with Odoroki so well so quickly, I'm betting she knows that if Phoenix trusts someone, she can trust them completely, as well.

Also, Odoroki and Minuki's interactions amused me. I remember seeing Odoroki literally tell Minuki to "Shut up!" a few times, and she was totally unphased by it, that struck me as showing that she keeps her cool quite well. (Although she did get annoyed when he called her magic undies trick "panty entertainment" :sal: )

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