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Re: Valant Gramarye: Allakaawesome!!? (Spoilers)Topic%20Title

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You know I was rather depressed when one of my brothers pointed out that older Valant has less birds and bunnies jumping out during his shocked sprite. I hadn't noticed that before, but it's definitely true. It makes me think sad things...
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I wrote a little poem / song type of thing...I usually don't post stuff I write but...oh well. Hopefully someone likes it.

Spoiler: Valant ~ by Seether (me, not the band :p)
For seven long years
a truth left untold
For seven long years
the lies left alone

I watched the world turn around me
I watched the world change without me
And while I wondered why
I watched the years go by

And the cold clock's ticking
And my fate is flicking
And when my moment came
It was just the same
I had to leave it all behind

For seven long years
had to bide my time
For seven long years
I denied and lied

I watched the phoenix burn beside me
Watched the phoenix burn in front of me
And while I wondered why
I watch the years go by

And the cold clock's ticking
And my fate is flicking
And even when my moment came
It was all just the same
I had to leave it all behind

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Seether wrote:
I wrote a little poem / song type of thing...I usually don't post stuff I write but...oh well. Hopefully someone likes it.

Spoiler: Valant ~ by Seether (me, not the band :p)
For seven long years
a truth left untold
For seven long years
the lies left alone

I watched the world turn around me
I watched the world change without me
And while I wondered why
I watched the years go by

And the cold clock's ticking
And my fate is flicking
And when my moment came
It was just the same
I had to leave it all behind

For seven long years
had to bide my time
For seven long years
I denied and lied

I watched the phoenix burn beside me
Watched the phoenix burn in front of me
And while I wondered why
I watch the years go by

And the cold clock's ticking
And my fate is flicking
And even when my moment came
It was all just the same
I had to leave it all behind


Pretty good.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
You know I was rather depressed when one of my brothers pointed out that older Valant has less birds and bunnies jumping out during his shocked sprite. I hadn't noticed that before, but it's definitely true. It makes me think sad things...


I know what you mean. The seven years really took their toll on him. As Phoenix_Apollo pointed out, his stick swirling has dropped in exuberance as well. That's what going from being a modern-day legend to performing in car parks for no money will do for you. Poor guy.
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Salutation Here wrote:
I know what you mean. The seven years really took their toll on him. As Phoenix_Apollo pointed out, his stick swirling has dropped in exuberance as well. That's what going from being a modern-day legend to performing in car parks for no money will do for you. Poor guy.


Actually as depressed as that makes me that could well explain why they changed the sprite. I couldn't quite figure out why they would bother altering such a minor detail, but that explanation makes a lot of sense... poor Valant. Hopefully things will get better for him now.
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I hope Trucy lets Valant continue on with the shows now that she owns it...
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
I hope Trucy lets Valant continue on with the shows now that she owns it...


I have a feeling she won't. Poor Valant :(
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not even as her assistant?

Do you really think he'd go that low, I mean Zak kinda left him hang over for 7 darn years, and then gives it to Trucy. By the time she will even get the show he would've comitted suicided, with a revolver!#!@ :beef:
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And he was looking forward to doing those shows...
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At first I imagined Valant speaking with a pseudo-French accent.

And then I heard this. Warning: a little mature content.

Now I can't ever imagine him with any other accent.
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
At first I imagined Valant speaking with a pseudo-French accent.

And then I heard this. Warning: a little mature content.

Now I can't ever imagine him with any other accent.


It's funny, it's like imagining Liquid Ocelot from MGS2 :<

link link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VV7sTnTwum8&feature=related
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(and the all the other scenes are with his original voice, which are far better for valant)
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In this case, I prefer grandiose Southern cadence over pompous English stylization. There's just something very down-to-earth and yet aspiring to it, commanding attention without demanding it. It can lend itself better to dramatic emotional swings without losing a beat.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Just finished the game, finally! Phew! Valant was awesome. I was so ready and so sure that Valant would be the murderer in case 3 and was disappointed that he didn't play a bigger role. However he came back in 4-4. I didn't really like him much in 4-3 but 4-4 changed my view, and as I played the case I liked him more and more (somehow) :varanbaran:
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Wind Fish wrote:
yamineco wrote:
not even as her assistant?

Do you really think he'd go that low, I mean Zak kinda left him hang over for 7 darn years, and then gives it to Trucy. By the time she will even get the show he would've comitted suicided, with a revolver!#!@ :beef:


In the AJ sequel in my brain I like to think Valant does end up helping Trucy somehow; I'm fond of the idea of her asking him because
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he's part of her family history in terms of Troupe Gramarye - in fact, he's the last living connection she has that she's currently aware of post-4-4. Although we didn't get a cut-scene in the credits with Valant (which was total crap and totally suspicious to me!) I like to imagine him willing to take a fresh turn in life and not let his ego get in the way of doing what he enjoys. After all, Trucy is his only connection to the Gramarye legacy any longer...except I guess it's the Wright legacy now, isn't it?


I never noticed the staff twirl change in the sprites before, thanks to everyone who pointed that out!

Valant is an excellent character. I appreciate the well-roundedness of his quirks and flaws, yet he's incredibly likeable. And attractive. In both time periods. :nick-heart: I really hope they bring him back in the next game, just too many unanswered questions not to!
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I looove Valant. <3333
I actually like him better older.
Guess I've got a thing for sexy mustaches.
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The thought of Valant working with Trucy horrifies me, frankly.

Spoiler: 4-4
I mean, he framed her father for murder. If he'd just left the revolver alone they would have known it was a suicide because of the fingerprints, but Valant took it a few steps further and shifted the blame to Zak so he could eventually inherit the rights to the show secrets.


If he was willing to do that, who knows how he'd try to con those rights from Trucy?
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Officer 1BDI wrote:
The thought of Valant working with Trucy horrifies me, frankly.

Spoiler: 4-4
I mean, he framed her father for murder. If he'd just left the revolver alone they would have known it was a suicide because of the fingerprints, but Valant took it a few steps further and shifted the blame to Zak so he could eventually inherit the rights to the show secrets.


If he was willing to do that, who knows how he'd try to con those rights from Trucy?


Zak is a jackass, I would have framed him if I were Valant as well.
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Officer 1BDI wrote:
The thought of Valant working with Trucy horrifies me, frankly.

Spoiler: 4-4
I mean, he framed her father for murder. If he'd just left the revolver alone they would have known it was a suicide because of the fingerprints, but Valant took it a few steps further and shifted the blame to Zak so he could eventually inherit the rights to the show secrets.


If he was willing to do that, who knows how he'd try to con those rights from Trucy?


Valant's matured now, though. And anyway, I'm not sure he would have framed Zak were it not for the fact that their relationship had become rancid from years of struggling together under Magnifi's thumb.
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I looove Valant. <3333
I actually like him better older.
Guess I've got a thing for sexy mustaches.


Not a thing wrong with that. And yeah, he got classier and better with age. Actually, his character improved as well given seven years of ethical hell. The Troupe Gramarye characters are all interesting examples of how people can react to the worst circumstances and how they change over time - for better or worse.
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This is how much Valant's life sucks:

-After joining Troup Gramarye, he starts to love Thalassa; she marries another performer
-Thalassa has son; Apollo
-Thalassa's first husband is killed during a performance
-The son disappears somewhere
-Instead of him, again, she marries Zak
-She and Zak have a daughter; Trucy
-The woman he loved was shot
-They had to give up a successful trick because of that
-The shooter could have either been him, or his partner/best friend who was the girl's husband.
-With out seeing the body again, he was balckmailed by his mentor/the girl's father
-His mentor covers up the accident
-He and his partner were blackmailed into going into their mentor's room and shooting something in the forhead.
-Zak came first, and shot the clown. He won the performance rights.
-He came next, couldn't shoot anything, even though he planned on shooting Magnifi.
-He finds out he didn't get the rights, and that Zak was basically the favorite.
-Magnifi (the mentor) commits suicide.
-Valant makes it look like Zak did it.
-Because of him, Zak had to hire Phoenix Wright.
-Valant was almost found out for changing the crime scene
-Phoenix presents fake evidence; Zak disappears, breaking up Troupe Gramarye
-Valant goes to jail
-Phoenix takes Trucy in, isolating Valant from Troupe Gramarye.
-Phoenix and Valant talk; Phoenix learns about Thalassa (The girl)
-Valant starts to have to perform for street crowds, and etc.
-Valant's doves and rabbits die off, leaving one of each.
-Valant probably develops a little bit of arthritis(sp?); therefore limiting his spin twirl to one spin
-Valant's hair turns grey
-Valant moves into a one room apartment due to lack of money
-Valant starts planning for the Gramarye revival
-Zak is legally dead, Valant thinks he gets the performance rights
-Zak appears again as Shadi Smith
-Zak gives the performance rights to Trucy, thanks to Brushel and Phoenix
-To get some money, Valant plans the Gavinners concert; meets Lamiror
-Whther he knew it or not, Lamiror turned out to be Thalassa
-He makes the mystery at the Gavinners concert "Deepen", creating "An obstruction of justice" according to Phoenix
-Trucy gets the performance rights, not knowing what they were at first
-Valant meets Phoenix, the man who almost got him suspected of murder again
-Valant starts planning a poster for the show; decides to put it on his wall when the show's over
-Valant Plans to have a hot air balloon explode during the show; Phoenix tells him what's wrong with it.
-Valant plans to have balloons handed out during the show; Phoenix tells him whats wrong with that.
-Valant and Phoenix discuss the accident with Thalassa
-Valant finds out that he, in fact, does NOT own the performance rights
-Valant plans to finish the show preperations
-Trucy has to perform the show as the main magician
-It's not known or not whether Valant gets to perform


If that's not depressing, I don't know what is.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
[A litany of woe]

If that's not depressing, I don't know what is.


Good breakdown. You've got to wonder what kept Valant so focused and determined to continue magic as his main career. Was he too stubborn to learn anything else? He really seemed to have the drive to keep the magic alive though, as it were.

Anyway, your spoiler is exactly why things get better for him in my head!canon. His story is so not finished, dammit. :edgeworth: And on the topic of magicians, where's my Berry Big Circus Revival? Where's my magical crossover of awesome? In my head!canon. Yeah.

Alaka-oh God I spend too much time thinking about this. :larry:
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Berry Big Circus was said to have been revived sometime around 2-4.

And yeah, I hope he shows up in GS5.
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Well, wait, I have to defend my precious Hobohodo on one point, Phoenix_Apollo:

Spoiler: 4-4
Nick didn't really take Trucy away from Valant; Valant was still in jail around the time Nick took her in, so it would have been impossible for Valant to take her in anyway. Plus, I've always suspected that CPS wouldn't have given Valant the time of day, let alone custody of Trucy, since he was still suspected of murdering Magnifi by so many people (remember, Zak had to write that false confession for a reason).

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Well, wait, I have to defend my precious Hobohodo on one point, Phoenix_Apollo:

Spoiler: 4-4
Nick didn't really take Trucy away from Valant; Valant was still in jail around the time Nick took her in, so it would have been impossible for Valant to take her in anyway. Plus, I've always suspected that CPS wouldn't have given Valant the time of day, let alone custody of Trucy, since he was still suspected of murdering Magnifi by so many people (remember, Zak had to write that false confession for a reason).


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They could have given Phoenix Temporart Custody of Trucy until Valant was let out of jail...but NO. They gave him full custody. :larry: I mean, after all, Valant was almost like Zak's brother...

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Lis Ledre wrote:

Good breakdown. You've got to wonder what kept Valant so focused and determined to continue magic as his main career. Was he too stubborn to learn anything else? He really seemed to have the drive to keep the magic alive though, as it were.



Given the way Magnifi was, you probably needed to be completely obsessed with magic to even stand a chance of becoming his apprentice.

Valant has had a nasty time of it, hasn't he? Okay, some of it was his own fault, but most of it originated from circumstances beyond his control. At least his conscience is clear now, though, so hopefully he might be okay.
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I love this guy. He's so cool; he's easily the best person in AJ. He has an immeasurable amount of character and style. His staff-twirl is the epititome awesomeness. He's much better with the mustache, if you were to ask me. And, if for nothing else, he's so amazing because...

He makes yellow look cool. On a male, to top it off.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
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They could have given Phoenix Temporart Custody of Trucy until Valant was let out of jail...but NO. They gave him full custody. :larry: I mean, after all, Valant was almost like Zak's brother...


Spoiler: 4-4
What Trucy needed most was a steady home and Valant could not have given that to her. Ripping her away from Phoenix after she had finally become attached to him was the worst thing they could have done to her after what she had been through. There also isn't anything to suggest that Phoenix kept Valant away (If he had been keeping Trucy away from Valant, why does Phoenix allow Trucy contact with Valant in the game?) For seven years, Valant made no attempt to contact Trucy and he made no attempt to contact Phoenix about Trucy. That was his decision and not Phoenix's, so you can't blame Phoenix for that. I mean, he only sought her out after she bumped into him because she was now involved in his affairs, not out of any desire to see her. If he had simply wanted to see her, he would have looked her up sooner. Besides, Valant was in worse shape then Phoenix after that case and was in no shape to be raising a kid. More then that, he doesn't appeared to have wanted to raise her, so Trucy ended up where she belonged and was far better off.

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I do love Valant :) He's not on my number one spot of favorite characters or not even in the top three, but he has a special place in my heart <3 Though I'd seriously advise him to shave off that damn mustache XD

I think I've just got a soft spot for the characters that were abandoned by luck...
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I played the game... and I like Valant^^
he's bit ... nya... but I like him like this^^
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ALLAKA-I-DON'T-BELIEVE-IT!! > Anything else he says.

Valant is indeed a great character - some people before me are right when they state that he has that likeable brand of cocky confidence in himself, despite his ineptitude in comparison to the other Gramaryes.

Spoiler: 4-4
The best thing I noticed in the final case is the contrast that Valant's demon has with the 'darkness' surrounding Kristoph. That envy of someone greater than you reflected on what the fourth case's moral of succession and betrayal of companionship - the little demon that pesters all of us.

I don't feel sorry for Valant as we see him at the end of the game as I know he's turned himself in because he needs to clear his conscience. I feel sorry for the situation that demonic-induced envy forced onto him; if he hadn't succumbed to that, then a whole deal of misery could have been avoided - therein lies the real tragedy.

I hope that this isn't the last we've seen of Valant - to see him return in one of the next sets of games wouldn't be far-fetched; the sentence for his crime mightn't be massive, after all.

Though really, 4-4 should have ended with Valant and Trucy cheering up an emotionally depressed Vera with the tricks of Troupe Gramarye. Am I right or am I right?

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During the Psyche-Lock scenes, if you guess one of the "guesses" wrong, he calls you "Silly-Frilly".


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Heck yes. :edgy:
Valant ended up being my favorite character in AJ.
He seemed to have "gotten the short end of the stick" frequently, what with
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Magnifi handing Zak the rights, killing himself right after Valant left, etc.
but he perservered ♥

Also, he's pretty good looking when he's older, IMO :redd:
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'Silly frilly'? HAHAHAHA. That's brilliant.
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I looove Valant. <3333
I actually like him better older.
Guess I've got a thing for sexy mustaches.


YESH OLDER VALANT HOT SMEXYYY <3<3<3<3
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Poor Valant :O
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"Though my stardom may sear the sight...I'm quite down to earth when need calls. A HA HA HA HA HA. :varanbaran: "

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there's more...than meets the eye.

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THIS THREAD HAS BEEN MADE. I CAN DIE A HAPPY WOMAN NOW.

Valant is alakamazing.

I've been interested in stage magic ever since I was a little girl, so maybe that's what drew me to the Troupe Gramarye. I also love mustaches, so maybe that's why I love Valant more than the rest of them. Maybe it's because I feel sorry for him, too. Poor Valant...he was always playing second fiddle to Zak, who seemed ready to bite the head off of anyone who wasn't named Thalassa Gramarye. Speaking of Thalassa, I ship Valant/Thalassa 100%. I like letting the little man win... *is shot*

Spoiler: 4-4
...and, actually, since Thalassa is now a widow for the second time, that may or may not be plausible.


also -
Mina De Killer: I love that picture! <3
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