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The usual clichee is "Hey, I have an awesome power. Hey, you have an awesome power too! I never met you, but let's kick some evil butts together!!"
However, this game's plot, from what we know yet, seems to be a lot more well done. (which was to be exspected, seeing as Takumi-san is writting)
It looks like there was a initial rivalry between Layton and Phoenix, with Layton apparently being somewhat biased against Lawyers (Understandable, seeing how he grew up in England, which is known for... ehh... nasty... attorneys...) and Phoenix just snapping back into his "I don't like prosecuting snobs who think they are so much smarter than me"-attitude. (Also understandable, since he had to watch his best friend turn into this kind of guy once.)
Despite this set up having clichee-potential as well, it appears to be quite well done from what we've seen in the trailers yet. At very least, there appears to be some actual, you know, drive and development and plot, instead of it just being fanservice after fanservice.
Then, we have Luke and Maya. I think making the two of them "Instant Friends, just add water" is a good move, considering what we know of Maya's opinion towards little kids. I wouldn't be surprised if she started calling Luke "Lukie" somewhere along the way and, let's be honest, Luke is REALLY cute... once you got used to his voice... eheh... Also, Luke has enough in common with Maya for the two to make a good team for the time being, at least while their older friends are still busy headbutting each other.
OK, I've said anough of my opinion on the topic yet!
Now it's your turn: Phoenix VS Layton, Maya Teaming Up With Luke, Overall relationship of both groups.
Discuss and feel free to squee in case you have rivalry-fetishes or just find Maya holding Luke by the shoulders "AWWWWW"-worthy.
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As for Maya and Luke, instant buddies FTW. Besides Maya and little kids, they both have absolutely ridiculous appetites--which was actually the first thing I thought of when I saw that they were together. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the two of them that sort of starting the "bridging" of the relationship between Layton and Phoenix.
Tangentially, just how old is Layton? I'm guessing early 30s during Unwound Future...and if this game, based on what Luke's wearing, is supposed to take place during the prequel trilogy, then I'd say Layton is about Mia's age (assuming Phoenix is 26 [ie, around T&T]) And what about Luke (I'm going with the default age of 8 XD)? ...I know I'm thinking too hard about this considering the dubious canonicity of this game--but the prospect of Layton being Mia-age (had she lived) intrigues me for some unknown reason.
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NinjAngel wrote:
Tangentially, just how old is Layton? I'm guessing early 30s during Unwound Future...and if this game, based on what Luke's wearing, is supposed to take place during the prequel trilogy, then I'd say Layton is about Mia's age (assuming Phoenix is 26 [ie, around T&T]) And what about Luke (I'm going with the default age of 8 XD)? ...I know I'm thinking too hard about this considering the dubious canonicity of this game--but the prospect of Layton being Mia-age (had she lived) intrigues me for some unknown reason.
That's a good point, actually.
Personally, I still think it's possible for Mia to make an appearance. I mean, ghosts transcendend time and space, right?
It would be awesome to see her reaction of Phoenix' behaviour towards Layton and visa versa and also to heard what the Professor thinks of such a charming, well educated Lady. (with such a charming figure... XD)
I imagine Maya being lost some way or another (maybe falling of a convenient cliff or something) and everybody thinks she dead and then, all of a sudden during the next day of trial, a robbed woman in the audience shouts
"OBJECTION!" and we have our INSTANT CAMEO FOR THE WIN plus a "Wheew, Maya must be alive!" moment...But that's just me, I guess... XD
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Neni wrote:
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Tangentially, just how old is Layton? I'm guessing early 30s during Unwound Future...and if this game, based on what Luke's wearing, is supposed to take place during the prequel trilogy, then I'd say Layton is about Mia's age (assuming Phoenix is 26 [ie, around T&T]) And what about Luke (I'm going with the default age of 8 XD)? ...I know I'm thinking too hard about this considering the dubious canonicity of this game--but the prospect of Layton being Mia-age (had she lived) intrigues me for some unknown reason.
That's a good point, actually.
Personally, I still think it's possible for Mia to make an appearance. I mean, ghosts transcendend time and space, right?
It would be awesome to see her reaction of Phoenix' behaviour towards Layton and visa versa and also to heard what the Professor thinks of such a charming, well educated Lady. (with such a charming figure... XD)
I imagine Maya being lost some way or another (maybe falling of a convenient cliff or something) and everybody thinks she dead and then, all of a sudden during the next day of trial, a robbed woman in the audience shouts
"OBJECTION!" and we have our INSTANT CAMEO FOR THE WIN plus a "Wheew, Maya must be alive!" moment...But that's just me, I guess... XD
I wouldn't mind a Mia appearance at all. But actually, considering that the Layton series--while it has some fantastical moments--isn't necessarily full of the same "fantastical" as Ace Attorney (I don't know what happens in Spectre's Flute, and the whole ending to Eternal Diva made me go "WTF is this," but yeah), I'd LOVE to see Layton try the magatama. It'll probably never happen, but a girl can dream. If they do take the spirit-medium-channeling-ghosts thing into this game, it'll be interesting to see how Layton reacts to it. It's not like he can logic is way to a normal conclusion, in this case. I mean, considering the series involves "witch trials," it really would be a waste not to do even just a little something with the Fey family.
And actually, the more I think about it, the more I think Layton might actually be older the Mia, depending on when exactly he got that teaching job.
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I REALLY want to see Layton and Edgeworth interacting, as unlikely as it is. Even just one little swordfight. Or something.
I actually want to know how Layton would react to someone like Maya. On one hand, he's quite protective and get-back-in-the-kitchen adopted daughter towards Flora. But Maya is a little closer to Remi (although still too young).
I can see Luke thinking Phoenix is Don Paolo in yet another disguise and trying to rip off his face XDD
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
I can see Luke thinking Phoenix is Don Paolo in yet another disguise and trying to rip off his face XDD
Face? I'm thinking of something different...
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
Professor Layton is 37 in Curious Village and 34 in the prequel series. Older than you think, dontchaknow.
I REALLY want to see Layton and Edgeworth interacting, as unlikely as it is. Even just one little swordfight. Or something.
I actually want to know how Layton would react to someone like Maya. On one hand, he's quite protective and get-back-in-the-kitchen adopted daughter towards Flora. But Maya is a little closer to Remi (although still too young).
I REALLY want to see Layton and Edgeworth interacting, as unlikely as it is. Even just one little swordfight. Or something.
I actually want to know how Layton would react to someone like Maya. On one hand, he's quite protective and get-back-in-the-kitchen adopted daughter towards Flora. But Maya is a little closer to Remi (although still too young).
Whoa. Where did those ages come from? I've been wondering how old Layton and Luke are for ages.
Also, I never thought about Layton and Maya interactions. He is pretty protective of Flora, but that's because she's just so naive. I don't know much about Remi (except for the little I saw of her in Eternal Diva), but I wouldn't be surprised if Maya would inspire this weird combination from Layton--she tends to attract trouble (understatement, yes?), but she's less naive/insecure than Flora and so may be able to deal with it better.
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
I can see Luke thinking Phoenix is Don Paolo in yet another disguise and trying to rip off his face XDD
Face? I'm thinking of something different...
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: "L-LET GO OF MY HAIR! YYYARGH!!"Yes. SO YES. I can't stop laughing. It's just so beautiful.
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Neni wrote:
Personally, I still think it's possible for Mia to make an appearance. I mean, ghosts transcendend time and space, right?
It would be awesome to see her reaction of Phoenix' behaviour towards Layton and visa versa and also to heard what the Professor thinks of such a charming, well educated Lady. (with such a charming figure... XD)
I imagine Maya being lost some way or another (maybe falling of a convenient cliff or something) and everybody thinks she dead and then, all of a sudden during the next day of trial, a robbed woman in the audience shouts "OBJECTION!" and we have our INSTANT CAMEO FOR THE WIN plus a "Wheew, Maya must be alive!" moment...
But that's just me, I guess... XD
It would be awesome to see her reaction of Phoenix' behaviour towards Layton and visa versa and also to heard what the Professor thinks of such a charming, well educated Lady. (with such a charming figure... XD)
I imagine Maya being lost some way or another (maybe falling of a convenient cliff or something) and everybody thinks she dead and then, all of a sudden during the next day of trial, a robbed woman in the audience shouts
"OBJECTION!" and we have our INSTANT CAMEO FOR THE WIN plus a "Wheew, Maya must be alive!" moment...But that's just me, I guess... XD
I actually hope they keep the cameos to a minimum (as in, non-existent), for the reasons you yourself mentioned in the first post. The best way to sink this game's story and characterization will be to dump in characters from either series for no good reason. They'll have plenty to work with using just Layton, Luke, Phoenix, and Maya.
Speaking of which, there's a line from Layton in the trailer that interests me. It doesn't read quite like this in some translations, but in the one I'm looking at, he says:
"Luke, my boy, the law does not always do the right thing."
Is he referring to his own role in prosecuting the girl, or is he referring to Phoenix defending her? Either way, I'm looking forward to another installment of the "Phoenix Wright Wax Philosophical Power Hour," as they fling conceptions of law, justice, etc. at each other.
Also, we've touched on Layton and Maya's potential relationship, but what about that between Luke and Phoenix? If Layton cautions Luke against Phoenix in any way, it will be interesting to see Luke's own impressions of Phoenix possibly conflict with the advice of his very own mentor. This may not even happen, of course, but it certainly would be interesting.
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I'd love to see how Maya reacts to Luke, considering that he's rather smart (Thanks to layton) at quite a young age. She's be pretty impressed, methinks.
She grew up with Pearly-GIRL-WONDER-(In-All-Things-Not-Related-to-Kanji/Letters)-OF-KURAIN. Chances are that she merely declares him "CU~TE!" because she's used to bright kids like him.
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Speaking of which, there's a line from Layton in the trailer that interests me. It doesn't read quite like this in some translations, but in the one I'm looking at, he says:
"Luke, my boy, the law does not always do the right thing."
Is he referring to his own role in prosecuting the girl, or is he referring to Phoenix defending her? Either way, I'm looking forward to another installment of the "Phoenix Wright Wax Philosophical Power Hour," as they fling conceptions of law, justice, etc. at each other.
Also, we've touched on Layton and Maya's potential relationship, but what about that between Luke and Phoenix? If Layton cautions Luke against Phoenix in any way, it will be interesting to see Luke's own impressions of Phoenix possibly conflict with the advice of his very own mentor. This may not even happen, of course, but it certainly would be interesting.
"Luke, my boy, the law does not always do the right thing."
Is he referring to his own role in prosecuting the girl, or is he referring to Phoenix defending her? Either way, I'm looking forward to another installment of the "Phoenix Wright Wax Philosophical Power Hour," as they fling conceptions of law, justice, etc. at each other.
Also, we've touched on Layton and Maya's potential relationship, but what about that between Luke and Phoenix? If Layton cautions Luke against Phoenix in any way, it will be interesting to see Luke's own impressions of Phoenix possibly conflict with the advice of his very own mentor. This may not even happen, of course, but it certainly would be interesting.
1) I loved that line. I've seen it translated many different ways, though, but the ones I liked the best (bias, lawl) are the ones that had this same sentiment in mind. I never thought about it referring to Layton himself, though, considering the context of the trailer makes it seem more likely he's referring to Phoenix (to me, anyway).
2) All these interactions are just going to be awesome. Again, never really thought about Luke and Phoenix, though I did see a cute picture of Layton carrying Maya, and Phoenix hoisting Luke on his shoulders.
Also, I'm of the mindset that the beginning of the trailer is actually towards the end of the game. I think they're probably working together by that point. But that's just me and my possible bias.
There is so much potential for this game...I hope our speculation doesn't ruin the actual product.
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Maya and Layton - Urrr... no idea?
Luke and Maya - something tells me they'd get along pretty well. And that's something I'd like to see!
Nick and Luke - no idea. Phoenix doesn't seem too fond of children. Maybe Luke will tease him.
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NinjAngel wrote:
Whoa. Where did those ages come from? I've been wondering how old Layton and Luke are for ages.
In the fourth game Remi blurts out that Layton is 34. I haven't played it myself, but I know people who have, so...
I'm pretty sure I've heard somewhere that Luke is 10 in Curious Village and 7 in Specter's Flute... maybe from Eternal Diva? You know when Luke gives a little introduction (along with the adorable "I can talk to animals :3")?
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Speaking of which, there's a line from Layton in the trailer that interests me. It doesn't read quite like this in some translations, but in the one I'm looking at, he says:
"Luke, my boy, the law does not always do the right thing."
Is he referring to his own role in prosecuting the girl, or is he referring to Phoenix defending her? Either way, I'm looking forward to another installment of the "Phoenix Wright Wax Philosophical Power Hour," as they fling conceptions of law, justice, etc. at each other.
"Luke, my boy, the law does not always do the right thing."
Is he referring to his own role in prosecuting the girl, or is he referring to Phoenix defending her? Either way, I'm looking forward to another installment of the "Phoenix Wright Wax Philosophical Power Hour," as they fling conceptions of law, justice, etc. at each other.
As has been said, in other translations it's more like "Just because he fights for the law, doesn't mean he can be trusted." I think it's meant to emphasize their rivalry. Which is a bit strange, because I can't really see Layton intentionally being a rival against anyone unless they insult him or his adopted children (or his beloved Claire <3) I'm willing to bet there's a misunderstanding when they first meet, in a sort of Crash Into Hello style.
Luke and Pearl. Now there's an adorable toy ship. (Not that it's likely that Pearl will come into this game...)
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Phoenix seems to have a general dislike of kids, so he probably wouldn't like luke. However, luke is actually slightly smarter than phoenix in opinion, so I would expect luke to tease him quite a bit.
Also, I can easily see Layton pulling one of his famous "oh yes, I knew this insane plot from the very beginning" And Phoenix starting to shout at him like all we people who are playing the game always want to.
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Marche Tobaye wrote:
Phoenix doesn't seem too fond of children.
Zxblaze wrote:
Phoenix seems to have a general dislike of kids
Where is this idea coming from? The only time I can think of where this seems to be so is case 1-3, and Cody Hackins is pretty bratty. Someone want to fill me in?
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shadowofedgeworth wrote:
Marche Tobaye wrote:
Phoenix doesn't seem too fond of children.
Zxblaze wrote:
Phoenix seems to have a general dislike of kids
Where is this idea coming from? The only time I can think of where this seems to be so is case 1-3, and Cody Hackins is pretty bratty. Someone want to fill me in?
Yes, Cody Hackins is the only kid he dislikes. He found Pearly incredibly adorable and was UPSET when she ran away upon seeing him, and he ADPOTED Trucy at the spot despite just having lost his job. (Though that might have something to do with the fact that she was home- and parent-less)
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Neni wrote:
shadowofedgeworth wrote:
Marche Tobaye wrote:
Phoenix doesn't seem too fond of children.
Zxblaze wrote:
Phoenix seems to have a general dislike of kids
Where is this idea coming from? The only time I can think of where this seems to be so is case 1-3, and Cody Hackins is pretty bratty. Someone want to fill me in?
Yes, Cody Hackins is the only kid he dislikes. He found Pearly incredibly adorable and was UPSET when she ran away upon seeing him, and he ADPOTED Trucy at the spot despite just having lost his job. (Though that might have something to do with the fact that she was home- and parent-less)
I don't know, even if Phoenix loves kids (and I think somewhere he mentions the fact that he dislikes them) he clearly doesn't do too well around them. Pearl is something of a special case, but she only trusts him properly once she learns he's Mystic Maya's "special someone". Later on, he's terrible at comforting her and gets absolutely steamrolled by Trucy. At least he does better than Gumshoe XD
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
NinjAngel wrote:
Whoa. Where did those ages come from? I've been wondering how old Layton and Luke are for ages.
In the fourth game Remi blurts out that Layton is 34. I haven't played it myself, but I know people who have, so...
I'm pretty sure I've heard somewhere that Luke is 10 in Curious Village and 7 in Specter's Flute... maybe from Eternal Diva? You know when Luke gives a little introduction (along with the adorable "I can talk to animals :3")?
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Speaking of which, there's a line from Layton in the trailer that interests me. It doesn't read quite like this in some translations, but in the one I'm looking at, he says:
"Luke, my boy, the law does not always do the right thing."
Is he referring to his own role in prosecuting the girl, or is he referring to Phoenix defending her? Either way, I'm looking forward to another installment of the "Phoenix Wright Wax Philosophical Power Hour," as they fling conceptions of law, justice, etc. at each other.
"Luke, my boy, the law does not always do the right thing."
Is he referring to his own role in prosecuting the girl, or is he referring to Phoenix defending her? Either way, I'm looking forward to another installment of the "Phoenix Wright Wax Philosophical Power Hour," as they fling conceptions of law, justice, etc. at each other.
As has been said, in other translations it's more like "Just because he fights for the law, doesn't mean he can be trusted." I think it's meant to emphasize their rivalry. Which is a bit strange, because I can't really see Layton intentionally being a rival against anyone unless they insult him or his adopted children (or his beloved Claire <3) I'm willing to bet there's a misunderstanding when they first meet, in a sort of Crash Into Hello style.
Luke and Pearl. Now there's an adorable toy ship. (Not that it's likely that Pearl will come into this game...)
Thank you soo much for those ages I had a hell of a time looking for them.
I think the lack of trust for the law came from when
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Since we're talking about the possible relationships between the characters, I thought I might as well share this. There's not really any point to it, but it's currently the only Ace Attorney/Layton crossover fic on fanfiction.net. The fact that it focuses on them like this just seemed uncanny to me.
I know I read that one too then 2 days later I see this...Hrmmm maybe they know something we don't?
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I can see Luke thinking Phoenix is Don Paolo in yet another disguise and trying to rip off his face XDD
Face? I'm thinking of something different...
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With Cody, well, Cody was a bit of a brat and Nick just couldn't deal.
Even when Nick first gets Trucy, he likes her but he doesn't seem to know what to DO with her.
I'm sure Nick likes kids, he's just not good with them, and his lacking skills with kids can lead to frustration which is misinterpreted as a dislike of kids.
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Layton's line in the trailer intrigues me as well. I don't know enough Japanese to fully understand its meaning. But I get the gist that he's saying something like "one who protects the law isn't always right" , which goes with the next scene where Phoenix voices his dislike of the silk-hatted guy.
Phoenix's initial dislike of Layton is easy to justify, since Layton is accusing someone who Phoenix thinks is innocent.
What interests me is how they initiated the investigation and to work together. Generally Prosecution and Defense don't investigate together... Did Phoenix say "there are contradictions in your logic", and Layton, being curious and confident in his own deduction skills, say to Phoenix "yeah? show me" (but in a politer way XD)
As for Maya and Luke, they're totally BFFs! I can imagine Maya adopting Luke as a younger brother
As for Layton and Maya.. tbh, I don't think there will be all that much interaction between them, or between Phoenix and Luke. Since Layton games don't usually have the kind of humour PW games do, I don't know how much comic relief there will be (at the expense of Phoenix). But if there was, Luke will probably be the one to execute the comedy, while Layton reminds him to be a gentleman and be polite.
Layton will probably be nice and civil to Maya, since she's a lady and all, but other than that, I don't see much interaction. Maybe if Maya channels to help the case, Layton might have some lines towards her.
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Layton would be a perfect gentleman to Maya, of course.
Phoenix would probably make Luke mad by treating him like a little kid.
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NinjAngel wrote:
Midnight Jasper wrote:
Professor Layton is 37 in Curious Village and 34 in the prequel series. Older than you think, dontchaknow.
Whoa. Where did those ages come from? I've been wondering how old Layton and Luke are for ages.
As someone else said, his younger age explicitly stated at some point in Specter's Flute. I don't know if 37 is ever directly given, but it's implied twice over- once, apparently, the person who voices Layton claimed he voiced him to be 37. Slightly more concrete: (UF Spoilers)
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Anyhow, yeah. Maya and Luke are going to be so dawwww, I can already tell. <3
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Somehow I want to believe this crossover happens though because one day while cleaning his toilet Phoenix got sucked into his toilet as well as Maya when she tried to pull him out a la something straight out of super mario bros. XD
But anyways back to the topic. It's obvious Layton and Phoenix will butt heads but I hope that maybe both of them switch playing styles for a while. So for instance Layton has AA gameplay while Phoenix has PL gameplay. Not permanently but it'd be nice if they did it for a chapter or two, but I feel it obvious that by the end the two of them will have grown respect for the other. We'll probably see the whole cliche shaking of hands and walking off into the sunset conclusion we see in most other crossover type series. As for Layton himself I'm hoping he is far more powerful a prosecutor than any of Phoenix's rivals had been. It wouldn't be amazing if Layton was just another Edgey or Godot.
But even so I haven't been this excited for a battle of intellects since Detective Conan vs Lupin III.
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Seems a lot like instant friendship. Both assistants doing their signature animation at the same time is just too cute for words <3
Awww. Looks like both Maya and Phoenix are adopting Luke as another Pearl. And those textboxes obscure Luke's face... a lot.
Grasping a little here, but is Phoenix getting influenced by Layton's animations? :P
It could just be his 'thinking' sprite, but still...
I'm just waiting for him to turn around and
Re: The relationships between the characters...
I'm bad at puzzle solving..
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SHADOW AND TRUCY!!!
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(because this thread is way to awesome to let lie)
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beterbomen wrote:
So, we have new information about the game (again). Where do we stand now?
(because this thread is way to awesome to let lie)
(because this thread is way to awesome to let lie)
Of what I've seen from various clips of the game, the trailers lie again. (Given that the first PV was released before the game was anywhere close to finished, I'm not surprised that they changed a few things.) Our main characters meet in a very genial (and a bit awkward) manner. I remember Bolt mentioning that they do at some point battle it out in court, so the conflict isn't completely out of bounds, but most of the game, they're working together. And as with any Ace Attorney game, there are multiple cases that tie into one another, so they aren't together only for one case.
But I haven't played it myself yet, so I'm left speculating on how that conflict builds.
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OBJECTION! That's a clear contradiction!
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Professor Layton/Phoenix: Rivals but work together sometimes
Maya/Luke: Instant friends that watch their older friends but heads
Professor Layton/Maya: Layton is sort of a "protective father figure" to a certain degree like his relationship with Flora
Phoenix/Luke: Phoenix is at the mercy of Maya and is forced to be nice to Luke after they meet
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