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Phoenix's Reason Why He Become A Defense Attorney
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At Case 4 PW:AA,He Said About 2 Things Why He Want to become a Defense Attorney...
1.He Realized What It Feels To Be Alone
2.Because He Wants To Meet Edgeworth
And At GS 3 Case 1,Why He Took An Art Class?Not Law?He Took A...Mmm...Law School?After He Was Saved By Mia Right...
So:1.Which Is The Real Reason?
2.Contradiction:Phoenix Is Older In GS 3...But When he's still 4th grade,He decided to become a Defense Attorney...and at GS 3,Once Again I Say it:Why He Took An Art Class?
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
I don't recall that he wanted to be a defense attorney since fourth grade, just that it was a motivational factor later in his life. Mia saving him and showing him the truth about Chinami is what eventually pushed him into being a defense attorney, though wanting to meet Edgeworth in a place where he couldn't run away was his ultimate goal.
I think it's more of a combination of all those factors than one in particular.
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He was helping a friend (read: Larry) get through art class. He had no reason to pass art class, and simply went there to help Larry. I think this might have something to do with how the Japanese educational system works, maybe, but if he could study law before actually taking the law itself, he would have basicly made sure that he could go through the law studies later. By being at a university where law is taught (?), he could easily gain access to the right books on the subject.
Also, who says you need to have studied law to pass the bar? Both Franziska and Edgeworth was taught by Manfred, so they didn't have to go study law to pass any bars (not sure how much prosecution differs from defense attorneys), and Mia doesn't look like it took HER long to become a lawyer either. And Godot? It would be spoilered to reveal it, but he ALSO just 'passed the bar' one day, and he clearly couldn't reveal any information about himself. And Garyuu? A rockstar one day, a prosecutor the other?
It looks to me like Phoenix studied while he was having art, but that looks more to me like it was too DIFFICULT for him to go to study law. They might have higher grades needed from high-school (pre-university, whatever it is called in japan), and Phoenix DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR LAW! So he needed to gain access to the material needed for him to be able to pass the bar. And 'art major' doesn't look like anything requireing high grades, right? Remember what he says about the books Mia has? Or about not knowing anything about evidence law in case 5? Yeah, that. Doesn't that look to you that he hasn't studied law at all, or at least not on a university level?
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Mikker wrote:
My theory: He studied art - because he had to.
He was helping a friend (read: Larry) get through art class. He had no reason to pass art class, and simply went there to help Larry. I think this might have something to do with how the Japanese educational system works, maybe, but if he could study law before actually taking the law itself, he would have basicly made sure that he could go through the law studies later. By being at a university where law is taught (?), he could easily gain access to the right books on the subject.
Also, who says you need to have studied law to pass the bar? Both Franziska and Edgeworth was taught by Manfred, so they didn't have to go study law to pass any bars (not sure how much prosecution differs from defense attorneys), and Mia doesn't look like it took HER long to become a lawyer either. And Godot? It would be spoilered to reveal it, but he ALSO just 'passed the bar' one day, and he clearly couldn't reveal any information about himself. And Garyuu? A rockstar one day, a prosecutor the other?
It looks to me like Phoenix studied while he was having art, but that looks more to me like it was too DIFFICULT for him to go to study law. They might have higher grades needed from high-school (pre-university, whatever it is called in japan), and Phoenix DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR LAW! So he needed to gain access to the material needed for him to be able to pass the bar. And 'art major' doesn't look like anything requireing high grades, right? Remember what he says about the books Mia has? Or about not knowing anything about evidence law in case 5? Yeah, that. Doesn't that look to you that he hasn't studied law at all, or at least not on a university level?
He was helping a friend (read: Larry) get through art class. He had no reason to pass art class, and simply went there to help Larry. I think this might have something to do with how the Japanese educational system works, maybe, but if he could study law before actually taking the law itself, he would have basicly made sure that he could go through the law studies later. By being at a university where law is taught (?), he could easily gain access to the right books on the subject.
Also, who says you need to have studied law to pass the bar? Both Franziska and Edgeworth was taught by Manfred, so they didn't have to go study law to pass any bars (not sure how much prosecution differs from defense attorneys), and Mia doesn't look like it took HER long to become a lawyer either. And Godot? It would be spoilered to reveal it, but he ALSO just 'passed the bar' one day, and he clearly couldn't reveal any information about himself. And Garyuu? A rockstar one day, a prosecutor the other?
It looks to me like Phoenix studied while he was having art, but that looks more to me like it was too DIFFICULT for him to go to study law. They might have higher grades needed from high-school (pre-university, whatever it is called in japan), and Phoenix DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR LAW! So he needed to gain access to the material needed for him to be able to pass the bar. And 'art major' doesn't look like anything requireing high grades, right? Remember what he says about the books Mia has? Or about not knowing anything about evidence law in case 5? Yeah, that. Doesn't that look to you that he hasn't studied law at all, or at least not on a university level?
Nice theory, but I doubt it was Larry. In PW Case 4 he informs us that he's only a Junior High Graduate.
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What happened to the Judge Wackner - Hero of the Public Court dream?
I think that's more of a "I want to be a fireman!" "I want to be a superhero!" sort of dream.
Alternatively, it could mean the start of my spriting career as I try to make Judge Wackner. Let's see...
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Anyway I think at around the same time as hearing about Edgeworth, Phoenix was saved by Mia.
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Mikker wrote:
My theory: He studied art - because he had to.
He was helping a friend (read: Larry) get through art class. He had no reason to pass art class, and simply went there to help Larry. I think this might have something to do with how the Japanese educational system works, maybe, but if he could study law before actually taking the law itself, he would have basicly made sure that he could go through the law studies later. By being at a university where law is taught (?), he could easily gain access to the right books on the subject.
Also, who says you need to have studied law to pass the bar? Both Franziska and Edgeworth was taught by Manfred, so they didn't have to go study law to pass any bars (not sure how much prosecution differs from defense attorneys), and Mia doesn't look like it took HER long to become a lawyer either. And Godot? It would be spoilered to reveal it, but he ALSO just 'passed the bar' one day, and he clearly couldn't reveal any information about himself. And Garyuu? A rockstar one day, a prosecutor the other?
It looks to me like Phoenix studied while he was having art, but that looks more to me like it was too DIFFICULT for him to go to study law. They might have higher grades needed from high-school (pre-university, whatever it is called in japan), and Phoenix DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR LAW! So he needed to gain access to the material needed for him to be able to pass the bar. And 'art major' doesn't look like anything requireing high grades, right? Remember what he says about the books Mia has? Or about not knowing anything about evidence law in case 5? Yeah, that. Doesn't that look to you that he hasn't studied law at all, or at least not on a university level?
He was helping a friend (read: Larry) get through art class. He had no reason to pass art class, and simply went there to help Larry. I think this might have something to do with how the Japanese educational system works, maybe, but if he could study law before actually taking the law itself, he would have basicly made sure that he could go through the law studies later. By being at a university where law is taught (?), he could easily gain access to the right books on the subject.
Also, who says you need to have studied law to pass the bar? Both Franziska and Edgeworth was taught by Manfred, so they didn't have to go study law to pass any bars (not sure how much prosecution differs from defense attorneys), and Mia doesn't look like it took HER long to become a lawyer either. And Godot? It would be spoilered to reveal it, but he ALSO just 'passed the bar' one day, and he clearly couldn't reveal any information about himself. And Garyuu? A rockstar one day, a prosecutor the other?
It looks to me like Phoenix studied while he was having art, but that looks more to me like it was too DIFFICULT for him to go to study law. They might have higher grades needed from high-school (pre-university, whatever it is called in japan), and Phoenix DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR LAW! So he needed to gain access to the material needed for him to be able to pass the bar. And 'art major' doesn't look like anything requireing high grades, right? Remember what he says about the books Mia has? Or about not knowing anything about evidence law in case 5? Yeah, that. Doesn't that look to you that he hasn't studied law at all, or at least not on a university level?
Wait...From What I Know...To become a Defense Attorney,We Need To Pass The Requirements...But Why if Phoenix didn't meet the requirements,he can
Become a Defense Attorney?
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kevintobing wrote:
Hmm...There Is Something Strange With Phoenix's Reason...
At Case 4 PW:AA,He Said About 2 Things Why He Want to become a Defense Attorney...
1.He Realized What It Feels To Be Alone
2.Because He Wants To Meet Edgeworth
And At GS 3 Case 1,Why He Took An Art Class?Not Law?He Took A...Mmm...Law School?After He Was Saved By Mia Right...
So:1.Which Is The Real Reason?
2.Contradiction:Phoenix Is Older In GS 3...But When he's still 4th grade,He decided to become a Defense Attorney...and at GS 3,Once Again I Say it:Why He Took An Art Class?
At Case 4 PW:AA,He Said About 2 Things Why He Want to become a Defense Attorney...
1.He Realized What It Feels To Be Alone
2.Because He Wants To Meet Edgeworth
And At GS 3 Case 1,Why He Took An Art Class?Not Law?He Took A...Mmm...Law School?After He Was Saved By Mia Right...
So:1.Which Is The Real Reason?
2.Contradiction:Phoenix Is Older In GS 3...But When he's still 4th grade,He decided to become a Defense Attorney...and at GS 3,Once Again I Say it:Why He Took An Art Class?
Never mind.
kevintobing wrote:
Wait...From What I Know...To become a Defense Attorney,We Need To Pass The Requirements...But Why if Phoenix didn't meet the requirements,he can
Become a Defense Attorney?
Become a Defense Attorney?
HAH!! TAKE THAT!! =P =P
Mikker wrote:
Also, who says you need to have studied law to pass the bar? Both Franziska and Edgeworth was taught by Manfred, so they didn't have to go study law to pass any bars (not sure how much prosecution differs from defense attorneys), and Mia doesn't look like it took HER long to become a lawyer either. And Godot? It would be spoilered to reveal it, but he ALSO just 'passed the bar' one day, and he clearly couldn't reveal any information about himself. And Garyuu? A rockstar one day, a prosecutor the other?
btw bars? what bars? bars = ?
He doesn't need to study law at the university [maybe] so he took Mia's law school, etc.
And remember, franny became a prosecutor when she was 13. Did she graduate her school? Probably. But who knows.
(Don't mind me, just bluffing <_<)
Ah, I forgot, it's just a theory. Never mind though. The 2 last paragraphs seem true. =P
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- It was not because of Mia. He had already switched to law before the events in 3-1.
- At the end of the case, Phoenix talks to Mia and outright tells her he's going to become a lawyer to save a friend. That friend is Edgeworth.
- It comes up again in 3-5, with both Edgeworth and Phoenix acknowledging it.
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As a child Phoenix went through the school trial, which gave him a respect for Edgeworth and for the feeling of loneliness an accused person can feel. But even in the first game they stated it wasn't until he read the newspaper reports about Edgeworth being "a demon prosecutor" that he switched to practicing law himself. It was always because of Edgeworth.
I think law school in PW world takes 3 years...?
Mayhem - what you're describing sounds like Japanese colleges, not school in general. From what I've heard, the entrance exams to get into college are so severe that once you've passed, you're pretty much guaranteed a job (especially if you get into Tokyo University or something). But then, I've never worked my way through a Japanese school system :P
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so AA: TAT is the key, huh..
musouka wrote:
- At the end of the case, Phoenix talks to Mia and outright tells her he's going to become a lawyer to save a friend. That friend is Edgeworth.
Sorry for asking buuttt... why would he want to save Edgeworth? Was Edgeworth in trouble or something? Or did he meant to save a friend whenever he's in danger?
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n0wM3 wrote:
Sorry for asking buuttt... why would he want to save Edgeworth? Was Edgeworth in trouble or something? Or did he meant to save a friend whenever he's in danger?
Not in trouble physically, but emotionally. Phoenix knew Edgeworth when they were children, and the reports he heard about Edgeworth's actions were completely out of character with what he remembered about his friend. He tried to get into contact with him and was rebuffed, so finally Phoenix decided the only way to see what was going on with Edgeworth was to face him in court.
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Edgeworth's first case was 3-4, wasn't it?
That means when Mia saved Nick in 3-1, Edgeworth was nowhere from being a demon prosecutor.
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Szabu wrote:
Edgeworth's first case was 3-4, wasn't it?
That means when Mia saved Nick in 3-1, Edgeworth was nowhere from being a demon prosecutor.
3-4 takes place before 3-1.
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musouka wrote:
The third game tells us explicitly why he became a lawyer, more than once. It was for Edgeworth.
- It was not because of Mia. He had already switched to law before the events in 3-1.
- At the end of the case, Phoenix talks to Mia and outright tells her he's going to become a lawyer to save a friend. That friend is Edgeworth.
- It comes up again in 3-5, with both Edgeworth and Phoenix acknowledging it.
- It was not because of Mia. He had already switched to law before the events in 3-1.
- At the end of the case, Phoenix talks to Mia and outright tells her he's going to become a lawyer to save a friend. That friend is Edgeworth.
- It comes up again in 3-5, with both Edgeworth and Phoenix acknowledging it.
Wait...In PW AA Case 1,Mia Stil Don't Know Why Phoenix Become A Lawyer...Right?Near The Start of The Case After Mia Called Phoenix and...Phoenix Said to Mia that His Client(Larry) Is One of the reason why He Becomes A Defense Attorney...Mia Is Suprised to hear that...Why?
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kevintobing wrote:
Wait...In PW AA Case 1,Mia Stil Don't Know Why Phoenix Become A Lawyer...Right?Near The Start of The Case After Mia Called Phoenix and...Phoenix Said to Mia that His Client(Larry) Is One of the reason why He Becomes A Defense Attorney...Mia Is Suprised to hear that...Why?
For the same reason Phoenix mentions that he never thought he'd be on the stand in 1-2, when he was already a defendent in 3-1. It's a slight retcon.
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It's probably just because they hadn't made GS3 at the time, so they hadn't planned for Mia already knowing.
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