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This thread is for discussion of ideas, changes, and contributions to the Super Makoto project.

"Official Project Members"
These are people who are currently contributing to the project and are most likely to be up-to-date on the whole thing. Talk to one of them if you have questions.
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Kiero - Pie - WhiteElephant - Haibara~n - LadyK


Important Links
Super Makoto Wiki
Where we store most of the recent agreed-upon canon information. An incomplete work-in-progress. Highly subject to change.
Super Makoto Photobucket
Password-protected account for archiving all the artwork that has been created for this project. Please ask a project member for the password if you would like to view the archive. (Over 900 pictures and counting!)
Court Records Paintchat
Where most members of the project convene and discuss their ideas, but everything and anything goes in here.
The Old Thread - TLDR
The project was created in June 2007 with this thread, which has since been archived. Hit TLDR to read a summary of the project history.


  • What is Super Makoto?
    Super Makoto is a fan-created alternate universe based on the Ace Attorney / 逆転裁判 video game series.
    In this superhero-themed alternate universe, the Ace Attorney cast is given new life as characters in a grand opera drawn from the myths of the modern day: comic books and manga, cartoons and anime, video games, classic fiction and beyond. Superheros and supervillains clash across the many pages of this work, produced by the sweat, tears, and deep affection of humble Ace Attorney fans - people just like you.
    Spoiler: Our premise in a nutshell. (by Urby)
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  • How did this project begin?
    It was all a misunderstanding, really.
    One day, a bunch of people were sitting around in the paintchat and then decided to take turns on a collaborative doodle. Urby drew Makoto, naturally.
    Quote:
    Urby: Makoto is going on an adventure!
    MSOB: You have no idea.
    And MSOB drew a red cape on her. Hilarity ensued... and the rest is history.
    Spoiler: The one that started it all (various artists)
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  • I want to contribute! But how?
    If you have any written ideas, art, or designs, simply upload them for public view on this thread here, where everyone in and out of the project can review and discuss it. The Super Makoto project can always use fresh ideas and contributions! Every submitted idea or design will be considered by the project members, and people who consistently contribute good, workable ideas can find themselves on that team list. You don't even need to have your own ideas, all you need to do is offer constructive input and opinions. Fresh perspectives on old information is always welcomed, as we seek to improve every aspect of the project.

Contributors - These are folks who have contributed to the project in ways big and small, but are not currently attached to it on a consistent basis. Some have created concepts while others have participated in discussion, and some have just been there to offer their support. If you were left out of the list, I apologize! (People are listed by their Court-Records.net handle when applicable)
Spoiler: List of Contributors In Alphabetical Order
{CI}Jackie_Estacado
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CantFakeTheFunk - clickmon
Doylie-Mo - dullahan1
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Firelight Cascade
Gigafreak
Jade Edgeworth
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Minuki - Misaki - musouka
Officer V.C.
Sami-Fire - Seishin1 - SilverZephyr
Trilroy
Urby
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Click on a character to read more about them on the Super Makoto Wiki. You can also browse the wiki categories: Heroes - Neutral - Villains

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LATEST NEWS AND DISCUSSION

MSOB's New Take on Sadistress
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Had some back and forth discussion with Kiki about Sadistress' design. I wanted to push away from the leotard we've had for a while and try something more complex or sophisticated to better mirror Kristoph Gavin, but it's also essential that her imagery remain sexual and powerful.
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Here's a chart of some color variations.
Spoiler: This variant is my favorite.
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PAST NEWS AND DISCUSSION

19 March 2010 - The Superheroines' New Clothes
17 July 2009 - Critical Need for Development
20 June 2009 - Beginnings
11 October 2008 - You're In The Mafia Now
Spoiler: "29 September 2008 - The Start of a New Adventure!"
Welcome to the shiny new thread for the Super Makoto project! With the old thread bloated and overgrown with drama, discussion, lulz, and stuff, we decided a fresh start would be necessary. This gives us control over the first post and page for updates and presentation, so now it's easier than ever to keep track of what's going on in the project, for veterans and newcomers alike! Be sure to check the "Important Links" in the first post to find out more about the Super Makoto project and what's been going on.

The project members have been hard at work populating the "Cast of Characters" listing here in the thread. We're trying to format it into something readable, so let us know if you have problems.[/url]

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New thread! New thread! New~! Thread~!

Let's celebrate! With...

Spoiler: PUDDING!
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AND PIE BEAT ME TO FIRST NEW POST DAMMIT XD


SORRY, WHAT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU, I WAS TOO BUSY MAKING THE FIRST NEW POST.

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YAY New thread is SHINY and NEW. :D
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YAY :D

To pick up with discussion, here's a brief summary of recent topics of discussion. Feel free to browse the last pages of the old thread, if you think you need more details.

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The current focus of discussion is "characters we desperately want to use but can't seem to find a good place for". Namely, Shelly de Killer, Viola Cadaverini and Dee Vasquez. The only general consensus is that Dee is somehow tied into the the Cadaverini family, perhaps an aunt to Viola.

One idea is that Dee killed Manuel Rivale, and someone close to her was killed by Shelly de Killer in revenge. Matt was given her help to become a star, but because he went through a mafioso producer to do this, he had to repay the favor. Dee asked him to help them get revenge on de Killer. However, since Matt was a mere actor, he was caught and stabbed in the face, making him turn to the help of Holy Trinity.

A side idea for this is that Dee can grant any character a sort of limited immortality, in exchange for their servitude. There's a lot of issues involved in this which are still being ironed out.

Viola has a lot of potential ideas going for her, many of them dark, gothic, or witch-like in nature. Once such idea is giving her a witchblade. Another is having her be the descendant of an oracle, a super who worked for the mafia in ages past, and having the spirit sometimes possess Viola in the present.

One way or another, we're getting into mafia business. Which means Wocky and his family will probably serve as an important bridge between the world of superhero justice and the world of mafia 'justice'. You'd bedda watch which bakery you'se buyin' bread from. Capisce?

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PM'd you more of those minibios, Bee. Though we need to do some work on Redd White sooner or later, he's currently just "a big bad, bwar har har! >:U" and not much else...

And now, to ensure this thread remains ontopic and littered with delicious eyecandy, here are some images Bee has drawn of Witchblade!Viola, since they're hot and relevant.

Spoiler: Black is the new black.
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... I'm a little jealous of how hot she looks in that last one...

Meanwhile, all I've done lately is make a Hairaiser popsicle.

Spoiler: :B
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No, no, this isn't hinting at Daryan having a crush on Lana. It's a reference to days before my time...

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... yeeeah... I don't know either. But ice!Daryan appeared a few times on old, old canvases so... I claimed the artistic right of interpretation.


Okay, I'll get back to doing wiki work or something like a good little monkey. Ook ook.
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Just this NEW thread gave me the juice I needed.

I'll be trying to contribute more! FOR SURE!
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I've looked over your character notes, and it's funny to note that both PSMGM and Lawyerman! have almost the exact same roles for Lotta and Spark. I think we probably came up with them at the same time as well, it's pretty funny.

Oh wait, RIVALRYYYY XD *bricked*
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I've looked over your character notes, and it's funny to note that both PSMGM and Lawyerman! have almost the exact same roles for Lotta and Spark. I think we probably came up with them at the same time as well, it's pretty funny.

Oh wait, RIVALRYYYY XD *bricked*


Pfff, let's not get into unusual similarities, shall we? Many of them can just be chalked up to a common canon source... let's just leave it at that before things get ugly.

Especially since last time I checked, Spark/Lotta was the newstastic crack ship of choice for the fandom, because Spark + Lotta = SPARTA. They work so well once you think about it, they should be canon partners.

Also, our Lotta is hottah. :keiko:

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BTW, get grovelling.
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Bah, I prefer the old Lotta TBH. YESIADMITTHAT! And I wasn't being at all angry or accusing in my tone, so you didn't need to be so formal about it. XD

Also, I'll only Grovel if Bee wants me to. But since that'll probably happen anyway I'd better get drafting *Opens wordpad*
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Bah, I prefer the old Lotta TBH. YESIADMITTHAT! And I wasn't being at all angry or accusing in my tone, so you didn't need to be so formal about it. XD

Also, I'll only Grovel if Bee wants me to. But since that'll probably happen anyway I'd better get drafting *Opens wordpad*

I know. I talk formal because I'm a talker, a woman of business. I apologize if you have a problem with that.

But I was quite serious about the grovelling. Not only was I promoted to second in command of Super Makoto recently, but the wiki was initially my suggestion to Bee all the way back in May, which he wisely adopted. If you're going to be borrowing ideas, you should give credit where it's due, don't you think?

You can, however, grovel to Bee as well. I don't think I would've been able to push forward the idea of a wiki for the project on my own. :keiko:
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Oh, fair enough. Second in command is high up.

Spoiler: Please
pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasePLEASE!
forgive me for being inspired by your all-powerful business acumen and considering giving Lawyerman! a Wiki.

And I typed out all those pleases by hand, on a mobile phone keypad. My thumbs...
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Gerkuman wrote:
Also, I'll only Grovel if Bee wants me to. But since that'll probably happen anyway I'd better get drafting *Opens wordpad*
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I shouldn't have to ask you. Get grovelling!

AND LESS PLEASES, PLEASE,YOU'RE STRETCHING THE PAGE.

Glad to have you back, Minuki/Lydia. I figured you were caught up with RL stuff, but don't worry—the project never forgets its own.

Back to some serious discussion, Redd White really wasn't much more than a generic thug in the original canon, though I personally do feel a little guilty that his colleague, Juan Corrida, is a gazillion times more awesome than Redd is at the moment. Until we think of some kind of gimmick for Redd, at least...

I guess one hook we could get at is Redd's relationship with April? At the moment he remains a faceless, distant master and commander. I think it'd be fine to move him more towards the fore, possibly as a rich magnate who exercises control in the upper echelons of society. He might be the one to fund Holy Trinity's experiments, as well, rather than putting Manfred's name and identity in danger. He should be involved in possibly several other of Manfred's conspiracies, and act as a "bridge villain" towards Manfred's arc.

Yeah, I'll admit that Redd was just a stepping stone in the greater scheme of things, heh.
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Gerkuman wrote:
And I typed out all those pleases by hand, on a mobile phone keypad. My thumbs...

When you get a chance, could you put a space in the middle of your pleases? The page is stretching. ^^;

Otherwise, that's some good grovelling. I approve.


As for Redd, I wonder if we can't give him something to make his story arc more his own? Rather than making him just the bridge to Manfred? He's a grand asshole who owns his own little empire of information, there's so much more he could be doing on the side even if he is serving the emperor. Hell, why is he serving von Karma? I could see him getting paid a king's fortune for it...

As for his connections to April, there's so much fun we can have there. If April has developed somewhat of a maternal relationship with Daryan, the hell are the dynamics between Redd and Daryan gonna be like?

Also, speaking of story arcs, how does this sound so far?
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As for his connections to April, there's so much fun we can have there. If April has developed somewhat of a maternal relationship with Daryan, the hell are the dynamics between Redd and Daryan gonna be like?

If Daryan looks up to April as mother-figure which logically mean that he focuses of his emotions(love?) on her. So, if April gets into a deep relationship with another guy (Redd for example), she 'll focus on Redd instead of Daryan. And, like any child turned away by his mother for another man, he would get jealous and even outraged for taking away his "mother". Which could to a development of bitter hatred for Redd which could build-up as he gets older. Afterall: "Daryan doesn't like you."

Perhaps even lead to a "Villian vs Villian" relationship somehow for Daryan and Redd down the timeline or in another story arc. But, this might be crossing into "anti-hero" territory for Daryan.

Also, I was reading over Daryan's profile and his parents are mentioned. I understand his parent's got into a search for a treatment his "acute condition". Eventually, have them brought him to the Holy Trinity Hospital. Then he gets submitted for "treatment" and he stays there for the rest of timeline until he escapes. This seems like a minor loose end to me, but what happen to his actual parents? Did they just abandon him there? I'm not saying to make them important characters or anything, but shouldn't there be little closure to this before April become his "caretaker"?
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LET'S GIVE REDD A GITAROO. IT'LL INCREASE HIS COOLNESS BY 1000X!

But ya, moving on. I wrote out a more detailed depiction of the oracle/prophet that is the first original Cadaverini, and how Viola is supposedly reincarnated from her.

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Name: Cadavern Doe (lame first name, I know. I wanted to tie it into the family name. If you have any suggestions, please let me know)
Age: Maybe over 100 years old or something
Description: Cadavern is proclaimed as the original Cadaverini, as their last name is derived from her first. She was a witch during the olden days, but was not like the witches that humans claimed could turn you into a frog. She was rather a benevolent good witch. Her powers did not entail much, other than to see the predetermined future and what would occur. Albeit to her misfortune she could not stop the events of her prophecies from coming true, in any supernatural fashion. While sleeping one night she had a dream vision.

In the vision she was tied to a stake and was about to be burned alive by the villagers. Before waking a voice whispered a date and year to her. To her horror, she realized, after waking in the middle of the night that the date in the dream was only one year away. Fearing for her life Cadavern took all her money, stole a horse from a local farmer, and ran from the village. This was her way of hoping to avoid her impending fate.

In the city she began to work as a gypsy. She became famous for her power of prediction, but continued to move from city to city when accused of witchery. One evening she was discovered by a man and after telling his fortune he asked her to work for him. However, what she didn't know was that the man was a crime lord of the city and needed her power to predict how businesses here and there would go.

For a certain time she agreed, deciding that as long as he didn't rat her out as a gypsy she could stop her fate for a certain time--perhaps even change it. About eleven months after running away the crime boss sought to target her home village for a money raid. When asked about his future she refused to tell him, and he became furious with her defiance. Two days later she received a prophecy of many men breaking into her home in the city. Looking at their clothes she knew they were villagers from her village. It was then she realized that it was almost one year since her prophecy of dying.

A day later she told several people around the crime organization that she trusted of what was to occur. She told them that if what was to happen would become true, that they should not trust the crime boss for he would most likely be behind it. When asked why him, she responded that due to refusing to tell the future of a raid, he would possibly rat her out as a witch. The next week her home was raided while she was having tea.

She went willingly, knowing that there was no way she could prevent her fate from occurring. All she could do was prolong it. Even when she ran from the place she was to be prosecuted at, one year later as predicted she was to be burned alive there. Yet what she did realize was that if she never ran away a year ago, the impending fate may have come quicker. If she was accused early, she could have rotted in prison for the year.

After news of her death reached the city, the people she told of her prophecy realized she could have not been an ordinary gypsy. They believed her to be a prophet of the future. They did as she asked of them, and left the crime boss and became their own organization. Though they still stick to their organized crime ways, they have decided that in their family they would look out for each other and leave others for death like the crime boss did. To honor Cadavern, they named their mobster family the Cadaverini family.

To this day she is revered in the family, and can still influence and keep track of the stream of evil and good plaguing the world via her reincarnation, Viola Cadaverini. The family itself still holds true to it's roots, and has many super natural family members and artifacts.

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Perhaps even lead to a "Villian vs Villian" relationship somehow for Daryan and Redd down the timeline or in another story arc. But, this might be crossing into "anti-hero" territory for Daryan.

Also, I was reading over Daryan's profile and his parents are mentioned. I understand his parent's got into a search for a treatment his "acute condition". Eventually, have them brought him to the Holy Trinity Hospital. Then he gets submitted for "treatment" and he stays there for the rest of timeline until he escapes. This seems like a minor loose end to me, but what happen to his actual parents? Did they just abandon him there? I'm not saying to make them important characters or anything, but shouldn't there be little closure to this before April become his "caretaker"?


Daryan rides that road quite a lot, actually. Which is a hard road to be riding in a story like this. Out of all our current villains, it's probably easiest to develop sympathy for him - a lot of things happened to him that were undeserved and generally not his fault, so you can start to understand him well.

Why he's still a villain? Because whether or not he does things that make sense, shows signs of heart, or generally has moments where he seems more an antihero, it's important to remember that his actions are still going to be 100% crime, and whatever emotional issues he has he really could be dealing with them better. His cause doesn't justify his means.

Of course, by realizing this, it doesn't take much to realize that he's a smack upside the head from being an antihero, though.

As for his parents... the current handwave is that he lost contact with them, having spent his entire childhood in a medical facility cut off from the world. However, I have considered that they could be killed any number of ways after he's submitted, like a death by plane crash... explaining his fear of them. Worse, Bee's suggested that Turner Grey could arrange to have them killed somehow, which would leave their son in their hands.

It's open to suggestion, I think.
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While I also wanted to link the original oracle and the origins of the Cadaverini clan to organized crime, I don't think it's entirely necessary to make them a separate character, outside of being part of a background legend. Introducing a "possessing spirit" as we had discussed in chat would bring characterization problems into the fold, especially since we're dealing with one of the canon characters as it is.

My idea was that the "oracles" be descended from the Pythia, the oracles of Delphi, something that certainly stretches throughout the history of that particular region of the world. Hmm.

But we do agree on the organized crime bit. From what it sounds like, the oracle may have already had her own faction in place for protection, like an order of mystics. After the oracle's death, they preserve/trace her bloodline so they can keep track of potential heirs, since not everyone in the family possesses that power.

I don't think it would be right to use a prophecy to preordain Viola. It should be something more like a random process, a reason for the Cadaverini line to proliferate and survive in hopes of finding the rightful heir (similar to the Fey clan?). Eventually this leads up to the present, and Viola's budding power, which Dee Vasquez discovers and tries to nurture, getting into the potential oracle's graces for her own nefarious purposes.

But that's just my opinion.
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Cracked open some myth stuff for this one...

There's a few problems on that, some which can be tweaked pretty easily but are still a bit annoying... mostly relating to Delphi itself. On one hand, Delphi's a city of Greece, not Italy, but that's not too glaring to myself, given my own name is Italian from "Trojan", and Troy was in Turkey. Plus, the name "Pythia" was derived from the rotting of the body of the monstrous Python which Apollo slew at the site, which actually works pretty well with the "Cadaver" or "corpse" in Cadaverini.

But what's more difficult about making this idea work would be the temple at Delphi itself. The location was an important part of who the oracle was, if not more important than the oracle herself, especially since succeeding oracles were chosen by merit, not blood. As good ol' Wikipedia tells it...

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There are many stories of the origins of the Delphic Oracle. One late explanation, which is first related by the 1st century BC writer, Diodorus Siculus, tells of a goat herder called Kouretas, who noticed one day that one of his goats, who fell into a crack in the earth, was behaving strangely. On entering the chasm, he found himself filled with a divine presence and could see outside of the present into the past and the future. Excited by his discovery he shared it with nearby villagers. Many started visiting the site, until one of them was killed by the experience. From then, only young girls were allowed to approach the chasm and then in conditions regulated by a guild of priests and priestesses.


... meaning unless we can give her some subtle power in the meantime she's useless, because until she goes on a pilgrimage to Delphi, she can't really be the Oracle. I think. Weird as that may sound.

(Also of note, Apollo took the site after killing the serpent there, but says here that Poseidon, god of sea and earthquakes, held it before him, and Gaia, mother earth goddess of everything, before that. The site's considered a womb of the earth, basically. Don't... don't think about that too hard. D: )

I'm intrigued by some parts of WE's idea, but I'm really not so keep on the spirit possession and, if we're going into history anyway, just calling her a witch. ... question, does anyone know much about Wicca? I'm wondering if we shouldn't be looking for elements there to solidify the ideas we have tumbling around about Viola's character.
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Ugh, modern witchcraft is a mire of various interpretations and imposed philosophy and ethics, not to mention the whole issue of Christian influences. I think, if anything, we should leave the more finely detailed mysterious purposefully vague, such that we can Ass Pull plot devices or superpowers from it as needed.

I mean, for example, there was the idea for Dee's "contract" ability, where she grants an individual eternal youth or immortality in exchange for total obedience to her (much like a puppet on a string, or leash). That and we also have to define the extent of oracular powers Viola may have, if any.

As for verifiable details, the "Witchblade" would, in the original comics, eat your arm off if you were not worthy of using it. :U

And a lot of witchcraft seems to flow from worship of the goddess Diana, who was Apollo's sister in Roman mythos... hmmm.
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Yeah. That was something that I noticed a lot of, especially as far as Italian witchcraft (or what information remains of it) is concerned. Diana has been, and remains, the moon goddess that many witches are followers of. She is the queen of the witches. (And yes, Diana is Apollo's sister. TRUCY IS A WITCH, BURN HER!)

If not Diana, it's often a satanic figure, particularly as Christianity has had its say and turned most of the non-Christian god ideals into the devil. (Why does this give me the mental image of Viola trying to decide between helping Dee and helping Trucy?)

Anyway... I dunno. I feel like we haven't quite nailed the idea for Viola's character yet. There's so many ways you can play with that one idea of "she's a witch" that we really need something unique and relevant to the rest of the story. You know?

On another note, thanks to Jaws asking me the right questions, a new idea has been hatched for the handwave of Daryan's parents. "Why not have another character kill them?" (He suggested The Edge as something that looks like a good parent-killing thing, lolwhut) I started to talk and think at the same time, noting that we actually don't have many characters who'd kill another character's parents...

... except we do, depending on who they are. Damon Gant kills superheroes. Let that sink in for a second.

If Daryan were the son of two superpowered heroes, and one considers all the genetics involved in two supers having one baby, it makes sense why he'd be born with a supernatural condition that was powerful and unstable.

If those parents died, it'd be another thing screwing up his morality - without being in their care long enough to be taught their heroic beliefs, the moral of that story may boil down to, "They helped other people, and they died for it."

And let's say he doesn't know who killed his parents, because he was already at HT at the time of the incident. Gant could, during his story arc, convince Daryan to do some work for him and Daryan starts to follow him, up until he somehow finds out that Gant killed his parents...

Insert shark rage, followed by a nice dose of failure because Gant could probably electrocute him into submission, followed by Daryan returning home with his tail between his legs and only having Konrad (who he wouldn't know is Rocktra yet) to turn to about his severe emotional trauma and what an asshole Gant is...

How does all that sound? Tune in next week when I suggest that we shoot his dog.
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Because it was rabid. And The Edge

But yeah, Daryan sounds a lot like a Woobie Villain; and every franchise needs at least one character like that. To explain more, it's a character that people like to see in trouble so they can feel sorry for them. With villains, it gives you that extra knife-twist in the gut when the character does something really evil.
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Art dump because I am a whore and have nothing to contribute to the discussion.
Spoiler: Lady Sakai
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Spoiler: Because this thread needs more Sadistress
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Spoiler: Moar Sadistress
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Spoiler: Juan, you mother f***er
Long story short: Celeste married Juan so she could adopt Adrian. Celeste rebelled against Manfred. Juan killed Celeste. Adrian gets brainwashed.
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Ha, this stuff is awesome! Glad there's a shiny new thread for it. ^_^ I have nothing to try and contribute at the moment, but I wish you all luck.
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On another note, thanks to Jaws asking me the right questions, a new idea has been hatched for the handwave of Daryan's parents. "Why not have another character kill them?" (He suggested The Edge as something that looks like a good parent-killing thing, lolwhut) I started to talk and think at the same time, noting that we actually don't have many characters who'd kill another character's parents...

... except we do, depending on who they are. Damon Gant kills superheroes. Let that sink in for a second.

If Daryan were the son of two superpowered heroes, and one considers all the genetics involved in two supers having one baby, it makes sense why he'd be born with a supernatural condition that was powerful and unstable.

If those parents died, it'd be another thing screwing up his morality - without being in their care long enough to be taught their heroic beliefs, the moral of that story may boil down to, "They helped other people, and they died for it."

And let's say he doesn't know who killed his parents, because he was already at HT at the time of the incident. Gant could, during his story arc, convince Daryan to do some work for him and Daryan starts to follow him, up until he somehow finds out that Gant killed his parents...

Insert shark rage, followed by a nice dose of failure because Gant could probably electrocute him into submission, followed by Daryan returning home with his tail between his legs and only having Konrad (who he wouldn't know is Rocktra yet) to turn to about his severe emotional trauma and what an asshole Gant is...

How does all that sound? Tune in next week when I suggest that we shoot his dog.

I think this concept would work perfectly on behalf of both Daryan's and Gant's characters.

I have ask this before I go on with my notes on Daryan. After Daryan escapes from HT, he fades away for while before befriending Konrad. Would this be around the time Daryan could start to work for Gant? If so, I'm guessing this would leaking into the first half of the Gant arc, right? Anyway, If Gant is gonna get Daryan to work for him, perhaps a promise of more atrocinine is in order for getting Daryan into doing a few side jobs for him. Daryan did stole the Borginian Cocoons before his escape, he surely couldn't have stole over a years worth of them considering unstable powers are usually Very unstable. Maybe this can be could be used as way to push Daryan into becoming Hairaiser?

As for Gant, it pushes the point that Gant kills superheroes who many of them have had their names forgotten. It's mentioned into Wiki article for Gant's arc but nothing really more then that. It comes across to me that Gant is a solo villian after the betrayal of SL-6 so, Gant is a little lacking in the friends/allies area. So having Daryan work/hire would help connect Gant a little more with the active character cast of the Gant Arc. Maybe, a chain of command kinda thing?

During the bound to happen "Hairaiser Vs. The Kiddy Fiddler " battle, Hairaiser's Hair = Thunder Rod?

(Also, If I'm using the names in the wrong context, please, correct me.)
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Gerk - No, I said Daryan's dog, not Ema's.

But yeah, I've actually felt like he's been somewhat of a woobie character since his development has opened the door for so much crap to happen to him. I haven't said it myself, since he seems like the sort of character who'd hate to be called a "woobie". Anyway, in this context, I admit that I'm probably responsible, since I'm a Daryan fangirl and hee mekes mee feel ell verm und foozzy inseede, bork bork bork.

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But then I keep going out of my way to make him more vicious and harder to actually hug. Because if he were easier to hug, he'd be an antihero, not a villain, and he wouldn't have half the problems he does.


MSOB - What, not even a comment on that remark about TRUCY IS A WITCH, BURN HER!?


Ami - New thread means new visitors, it seems. Awesome Thanks for stopping by and reading what we've got so far!


BP - All the names are right. "Lightning" is Gant pre-SL-6 Incident, "The Kiddy Fiddler" is Gant post-SL-6 Incident, Gant is always Gant. I tend to avoid using "The Kiddy Fiddler" myself because I think it sounds dumb. I think Bee suggested making him an alien, and having his alien name sound sort of like "The Kiddy Fiddler", which could work, and actually adds to Lightning's Superman parallel...

Anyway, the times of the Gant Arc are definitely more than adjustable, much like the bulk of the whole plot right now. I have it written down that the first time Daryan becomes Hairaiser, Konrad is not only his friend, but Konrad knows who he is from the start. However, this can be changed - but as you yourself pointed out might not even have to, if we assume that Daryan could have done work for Gant before he took the name of Hairaiser and became an actual villain.

Which means Gant not only killed Daryan's parents which pushed Daryan towards villainy, not only got Daryan to do work for him despite this which would push Daryan towards villainy with the eventual betrayal, but even helped him get into actual villainy in the first place. (Which might in turn explain Daryan's spandex costume, since we seem to keep away from them, besides those two. Ooh, new costume for Daryan after Gant, maybe?) Oh Gant, you're turning into such a magnificent bastard. And Daryan, you continue to approach but never cross the line between villain and antihero. I like this all far too much.

Yes, electricity is on Daryan's long list of weaknesses (he's a glass jaw villain - extremely powerful but easy to take down due to crappy resistance). Partly because his main weapon is hair, partly because of his shark-ness - his senses are keen, meaning his nerves are sensitive, especially to electricity, especially to ELECTRIC PAIN.
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Off Topic Note: Man, if you guys get so worked up over something small like stretched tables I wonder how you'd react to something more serious XD
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Gerkuman wrote:
Off Topic Note: Man, if you guys get so worked up over something small like stretched tables I wonder how you'd react to something more serious XD

We just don't like the page being stretched out :3 Neatness and all (which is why we put all of our big canvas pchat pics in spoiler tags).
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Yeah, but two PM's and a report is a tad excessive. XD
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Gerkuman wrote:
Off Topic Note: Man, if you guys get so worked up over something small like stretched tables I wonder how you'd react to something more serious XD

I dabble a lot in web design and graphic design, so stretching tables are a visual nightmare to me. D:

Having it right on the first page of the thread, too, isn't the best way to kick things off. And then there was looking down at the Topic Review when making a reply, and having that be stretched...

But thank you for taking care of it. Much better!
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Yeah, "the Kiddy Fiddler" is kind of outdated since it refers to the old "Gant rape" meme, and, well, for purposes of SMako we can't have him do any rape or fiddling. Unless you count his manipulating Daryan to become a villain... D:

...So he recruits youths to become the new generation of villains? Hmmm...
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Yeah, "the Kiddy Fiddler" is kind of outdated since it refers to the old "Gant rape" meme, and, well, for purposes of SMako we can't have him do any rape or fiddling. Unless you count his manipulating Daryan to become a villain... D:

...So he recruits youths to become the new generation of villains? Hmmm...

Hmm....

Actually I think I recall something. I remember we were discussing how sometime during one of the arcs Pearl may be reunited with her mother and, because mother can do no wrong, will help Morgan collect the Magatamas, thinking that it'll be for the greater good.

But if we were to explore this idea, how would Pearl meet up with Morgan. Remember that Morgan thinks that Pearl could be possibly dead, and Pearl thinks her mother is completely dead after the destruction. Could Gant possibly play a role in this meet-up?
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Yeah, "the Kiddy Fiddler" is kind of outdated since it refers to the old "Gant rape" meme, and, well, for purposes of SMako we can't have him do any rape or fiddling. Unless you count his manipulating Daryan to become a villain... D:

...So he recruits youths to become the new generation of villains? Hmmm...

Hmm....

Actually I think I recall something. I remember we were discussing how sometime during one of the arcs Pearl may be reunited with her mother and, because mother can do no wrong, will help Morgan collect the Magatamas, thinking that it'll be for the greater good.

But if we were to explore this idea, how would Pearl meet up with Morgan. Remember that Morgan thinks that Pearl could be possibly dead, and Pearl thinks her mother is completely dead after the destruction. Could Gant possibly play a role in this meet-up?

It's possible, just a few things may need tweaking. Well, from what I understand, Mime seems to be the key connection between Pearl and Morgan after The Destruction of Kurain Village. Maybe there is a way to have Gant intercept Mimi's spywork on Pearl for Morgan and "fiddle" with it. Like indirectly turning Mimi into agent for his own needs somehow. Just throwing the idea out there.
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Heeeeyyyy, I found a new official art of Makoto, I thought it might be useful for you awesome people (And I really mean it. Great work.)

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Woo, new threaed. (So very late)

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