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| Author: | Greeny [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:54 pm ] |
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Wow, 1 dead in USA imported from mexico. Some "pandemic" indeed... I'd really like for people to stop make a fuss about stupid flu. |
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| Author: | Johnny Rotan [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:06 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: WE'VE GOT THE FIRST DEATH IN THE USA FROM THE SWINE FLU!! ...Of course, it was a Mexican toddler who was transported to the US to be treated and died here. Not an American citizen who caught the flu in America and died. Yeah but i guarantee you some people will go ape shit over it. I'm pretty sure there's cases of infants dying from the REGULAR flu in this country every year. |
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| Author: | Tinker [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:11 pm ] |
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There's lots of people (not only infants and the elderly either) dying of various types of flu every year. It's a very solid disease. |
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| Author: | Purple Angel [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:26 pm ] |
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Heard abut this again on the news said that so for 159 dead in Mexico of it and 1 in the USA. But they say it's not a pandemic, it hasn't got a sustainable outbreak and could die down. So I shall not worry about it until it becomes a pandemic ^-^; |
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| Author: | someOen [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:10 pm ] |
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Apparently, Norway has a lot of this tamiflu-thing so I'm not really worried. There was one man in my city who they thought had it, but it turned out it was just regular flu. Oh the panic. |
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| Author: | Yellow Magician [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:17 pm ] |
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I hate how this story's been hogging the newspapers lately |
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| Author: | DerekAMW [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:00 pm ] |
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Is there a chance that this virus infects Hispanic's more so than any other ethnic group. The majority of the cases in the United States have been mild (I don't know about the ethnic groups over there), but it seems like the Caucasian's get over it and don't suffer very much. The only death in the U.S. was of a hispanic baby from Mexico who went to the States, so that actually doesn't count. In other words if your any other ethnic group besides hispanic I wouldn't worry about it. |
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| Author: | Jade [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:12 am ] |
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Platinum Skye wrote: In other words if your any other ethnic group besides hispanic I wouldn't worry about it. :/ I personally don't think it's from being Hispanic or not... I mean, maybe the environment they're living in allows the disease to spread, but I'm very skeptical about it transferring more often to people of a certain ethnic group... |
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| Author: | Brendan2k5 [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:10 am ] |
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Yellow Magician wrote: I hate how this story's been hogging the newspapers lately You and me both When AIDS becomes an afterthought, then maybe we can really think about this crap =D |
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| Author: | Regy Rusty [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:26 am ] |
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Yellow Magician wrote: hogging :D |
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| Author: | PrinceDaniel07 [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:01 am ] |
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Sheesh, don't worry about it. Everyone is too fucking paranoid about this flu. |
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| Author: | jwai05n [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:26 pm ] |
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YAY! I've finally found something to fill the hole that was left when I didn't get Bird Flu! Yes, I hate myself. |
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| Author: | Yellow Magician [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:27 pm ] |
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PrinceDaniel07 wrote: Sheesh, don't worry about it. Everyone is too fucking paranoid about this flu. It's hard not to worry when the way the health watchdogs are dealing with the situation is a bit ham-fisted |
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| Author: | Yellow Magician [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:29 pm ] |
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"Hey, YM? Why don't you do us a favour and stop trotting around with these lame puns" |
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| Author: | Louise [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:49 pm ] |
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I'm still scared. I'm gonna start actually using the alcohol gel at work LOL |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:34 pm ] |
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loobywright wrote: I'm still scared. I'm gonna start actually using the alcohol gel at work LOL You should definitely take more precautions than usual, but don't be scared and don't go overboard. If you use good hygeine you probably won't get it, and even if you do get it, you'll probably be fine. |
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| Author: | Regy Rusty [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:32 pm ] |
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Well, it's true that it's not worth panicking over, but don't discount the possibility of this being something serious. As long as people are careful, things should be fine. In short, don't be pig-headed. *shot* |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:36 pm ] |
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Regy Rusty wrote: Well, it's true that it's not worth panicking over, but don't discount the possibility of this being something serious. It's not serious yet. So we shouldn't panic yet. Regy Rusty wrote: As long as people are careful, things should be fine. This. So calm down everyones. |
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| Author: | Zeronos [ Sat May 02, 2009 12:33 am ] |
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Quote: Flagg, you bastard! D< Urg, I thought I wouldn't have to deal with it, since I live in Florida. x.x It seems to be spreading rather quickly, though. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore. ![]() Heh. "Bastard"? I'm not really sure if I deserved that. ...Okay, so I probably did. Was it the crucifixions? The war on the Free Zone? Spoiler: Spoiler: Right. This Flagg conversation should probably end now while the not-derailing's good. |
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| Author: | Louise [ Sat May 02, 2009 1:32 am ] |
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Bad Player wrote: loobywright wrote: I'm still scared. I'm gonna start actually using the alcohol gel at work LOL You should definitely take more precautions than usual, but don't be scared and don't go overboard. If you use good hygeine you probably won't get it, and even if you do get it, you'll probably be fine. Ha well I can get very paranoid about stuff like this. I was convinced I was gonna get bird flu too
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| Author: | Jade [ Sat May 02, 2009 4:00 am ] |
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Ok, NOW I'm paranoid. Apparently someone at my school has been diagnosed with Swine Flu, so school is closed for the next two weeks. I'm contacting everyone I know and everyone's equally freaked. Well then *breaks out millionth container of hand sanitizer* there's no such thing as being too cautious in my book *sits in fetal position* |
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| Author: | DokenMaster [ Sat May 02, 2009 4:06 am ] |
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... you poor bastids. welp, i got lucky and escaped the Swine Flu. |
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| Author: | Ultimate Prosecutor [ Sat May 02, 2009 9:04 am ] |
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DokenMaster wrote: ... you poor bastids. welp, i got lucky and escaped the Swine Flu. For the moment.
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| Author: | DokenMaster [ Mon May 04, 2009 3:58 pm ] |
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I SHALL NOT GET THE SWINE FLU! NEVAR! |
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| Author: | PrinceDaniel07 [ Mon May 04, 2009 8:15 pm ] |
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DokenMaster's posts are the only reasonable ones in this whole topic. Seriously. |
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| Author: | Louise [ Mon May 04, 2009 8:22 pm ] |
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According to a quiz I did on Facebook, I'm gonna get Swine Flu and die, but it won't be my fault so that's ok. |
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| Author: | Ultimate Prosecutor [ Mon May 04, 2009 10:01 pm ] |
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9 people in a London school get it. Yay. If I come on tomorrow and I'm oinking... |
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| Author: | Darling Dream [ Mon May 04, 2009 10:18 pm ] |
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What I don't get is there are more people dying of plain old influenza every year than this swine flu, but people don't worry about that as much. >A>; |
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| Author: | crouton [ Mon May 04, 2009 10:30 pm ] |
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loobywright wrote: According to a quiz I did on Facebook, I'm gonna get Swine Flu and die, but it won't be my fault so that's ok. LOL. And I'm going to survive it. And light people on fire. XD |
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| Author: | Arei [ Mon May 04, 2009 11:08 pm ] |
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Platinum Skye wrote: Is there a chance that this virus infects Hispanic's more so than any other ethnic group. The majority of the cases in the United States have been mild (I don't know about the ethnic groups over there), but it seems like the Caucasian's get over it and don't suffer very much. [/b] I think most of the cases have been hispanic so far, as it's been hispanic peoples traveling back from Mexico being the most infected but no its not exclusive, as no humans have immunity to this. It just happens to have started down there. There is no proof that at this time it's more deadly in hispanics then caucasians. |
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| Author: | Queepo50001 [ Tue May 05, 2009 12:07 am ] |
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Yeah, it seems that the swine flu isn't as deadly as once thought -- it may actually be a tad bit weaker than the normal Flu1 that's endemic here in the US. One thing is that the normal flu more rarely causes immune-overreactions, so young adults are still most susseptible to it. It still doesn't have the worst of the spanish flu DNA that would be uber-deadly -- that was a myth. I should say, however, that there is no such thing as a disease that truly hurts one race more than another! Yes, how hard a disease will hit you can be determined by your genes. However, races like "hispanic" are defined by where your ancestors lived or the genes for their skin pigment, not by lung cell receptors! Something like sickle-cell trait (resistance to Malaria) may only be common in people of African descent, but many "white" people carry sickle-cell trait from earlier interbreeding. Whether you are white black hispanic or monkey is still not determined by your ability to get sick, and to attribute such things to race is the number one lie that perpetuates the idea of "racial science", a sad euphemism that was responsible for everything from American slavery to the holocaust. I normally love science (I'm going to be a med researcher myself), but people who think that they are geneticists because they are racist should never be allowed to influence medicine, or else they will kill whoever they want and claim that they're being all sciency. According to some, the gas chambers saved lives because jews did nothing but kill. Do hispanics deserve the same fate because members of their race were unlucky when a new disease struck? This is not science, and never will be. ![]() Phew... Having finished ranting, I'll tell you guys that I got a crazy scare. Thursday I was at a convention and ended up screaming a lot to get attention for the booth I worked at. Two days before that, I had a meningicoccol vaccine shot. So the next day, I had a 102 fever (caused by the vaccine), along with a laryngitis cough and sore throat! I was scared half to death! I didn't really have any symtoms (well, if I didn't talk so my throat didn't hurt) but I was more worried than anyone that I could have the swine flu or something, given the sudden fever. Of course, the fever then went away without any new symptoms or anything, but it was scary at first. Hope that doesn't happen to any of you more-paranoid guys! And I've had multiple immune-ovverreactions before and live in a state with plenty of cases, so... |
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| Author: | Queepo50001 [ Tue May 05, 2009 12:07 am ] |
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GAH!!! A DOUBLE-POST! THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HORROR HAS HAPPENED TO ME! GAH!!! A DOUBLE-POST! THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HORROR HAS HAPPENED TO ME! :) |
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| Author: | Agent 54c [ Tue May 05, 2009 1:04 am ] |
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crouton wrote: loobywright wrote: According to a quiz I did on Facebook, I'm gonna get Swine Flu and die, but it won't be my fault so that's ok. LOL. And I'm going to survive it. And light people on fire. XD |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Tue May 05, 2009 1:12 am ] |
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www Queepo50001 wrote: I should say, however, that there is no such thing as a disease that truly hurts one race more than another! Yes, how hard a disease will hit you can be determined by your genes. However, races like "hispanic" are defined by where your ancestors lived or the genes for their skin pigment, not by lung cell receptors! Something like sickle-cell trait (resistance to Malaria) may only be common in people of African descent, but many "white" people carry sickle-cell trait from earlier interbreeding. Whether you are white black hispanic or monkey is still not determined by your ability to get sick, and to attribute such things to race is the number one lie that perpetuates the idea of "racial science", a sad euphemism that was responsible for everything from American slavery to the holocaust. I normally love science (I'm going to be a med researcher myself), but people who think that they are geneticists because they are racist should never be allowed to influence medicine, or else they will kill whoever they want and claim that they're being all sciency. According to some, the gas chambers saved lives because jews did nothing but kill. Do hispanics deserve the same fate because members of their race were unlucky when a new disease struck? This is not science, and never will be. But different races do have different genetics. An ethnic group typically has generally similar genes (ex. Skin color, hair color, eye color, general facial features). But it can go beyond genes for physical appearance, like something that affects your reaction to a disease. Like you said with malaria: it's more in people with African descent; of course it's not exclusively in people with African descent, but mostly. Please don't compare this to racism and the Holocaust; they are not similar at all. This is a new strain of the flue, so we don't know how it works with the human genome. Hispanics may generally be more susceptible to it than other ethnic groups because of genetics. Maybe it will be the Asians who are, or the Nordics, or the Croats. Maybe nobody. Maybe it's not that Hispanics are susceptible, but that caucasians are somehow resistant. I don't know. Genetics may have something to do with it, or it could be completely unrelated. But it's all nature, genes and probability, and NOT people choosing to systematically kill other people based on stereotypes and race. tl;dr version: Genetic linkage =/= Holocaust |
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| Author: | LySs [ Tue May 05, 2009 1:14 am ] |
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Johnny Rotan wrote: Shadilver wrote: And then comes a virus that turns everyone into Jean Armstrong. *shudder* Just saw a story on how several hundred students have possibly caught it in New York: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090428/ap_ ... ine_flu_us And allready members of the tin foil hat brigade are saying it's part of "the plan" ![]() Well...fuck. |
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| Author: | Queepo50001 [ Tue May 05, 2009 1:48 am ] |
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Regardless of how common a gene is in a racial group, races are defined by appearances and origins. NOTHING MORE! How can you argue that there is any validity to the idea that races are genetically simmiler when, in a single "race" there is still infinite genetic variance? And that variance is 100% absolutely irrelevant when it comes to the genes that affect more than skin tone. Is flu-survival rate linked to melanin levels? What people are trying to do is assign whites hispanics and everyone else into into groups with set, unchanging survival rates rather than see the facts that are clerly laid out before them. Mexico has the most flu, so it has had the most deaths. Plus, there is inferior medical treatment in Mexico and, because Tamiflu is obsolete to treat the common flu, it took a week before anyone was getting the proper medicine. All of those facts explain the statistics, so the existance of alternate theories can only exist to prove peoples own ideas, like that hispanics are inferior. Nazi Germany was simply the last time that it was mainstream to believe in "racial science". It's modern comeback is not new genetics, but disguised blind hate in a masquerade that uses heavy enough terminology to trick a fair amount of the public. Perhaps a gene commmon in mexico does lower resistance to the flu. Is it a gene decided by race? No, as hispanics are all over the world, and people in mexico city may be mostly hispanics, but it does not work both ways; most hispanics are not in Mexico city right now. Genes are dispersed by location more than anything else, and selected in accordingly. The spanish flu hit the US hardest (I think, but am not sure), so a gene may have been selected in that helps against this flu. But that was natural selection, which is caused by reproductive success, not a magical talking faerie gene which grants its protein upon you based on the color of your skin and how much it wants to be your friend. For all I know a bad gene is in Mexico because of genetic drift. But unless you can find that gene and tell me what it is, don't expect me to take you seriously when you make claims that are so amazingly unlikely. Speculation may seem like the heart of science, but taking speculation seriously without any evidence suggests an alternate motive. I may be breaking Goodwins law a million times over, but it's true that the Nazis are the most powerful organized body in recent history who would have accepted race as a scientific reason for disease. Why? Because they kicked out most of their good scientists on account of their race. Let's not be so quick to make judgements as the possibility of a panemic looms overhead. In fact, how about we never make such judgemnts about race, ever? |
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| Author: | Pickens [ Tue May 05, 2009 3:58 am ] |
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The only way I would even bother being afraid of Swine Flu is if this happened. |
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| Author: | Purple Angel [ Tue May 05, 2009 6:58 am ] |
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Pickens wrote: The only way I would even bother being afraid of Swine Flu is if this happened. hmm zombies... That would make someone afraid of swine flu though probably just afraid of infected zombies ^^; |
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| Author: | foreverbadass [ Tue May 05, 2009 7:09 am ] |
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I'm not really worried about it. If I get it, I get it, such is life, right? Until there's thousands of deaths...or a zombie apocalypse caused by it, I'm not gonna stress or be paranoid about it. |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Tue May 05, 2009 10:00 am ] |
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Queepo50001 wrote: Regardless of how common a gene is in a racial group, races are defined by appearances and origins. NOTHING MORE! How can you argue that there is any validity to the idea that races are genetically simmiler when, in a single "race" there is still infinite genetic variance? And that variance is 100% absolutely irrelevant when it comes to the genes that affect more than skin tone. Is flu-survival rate linked to melanin levels? What people are trying to do is assign whites hispanics and everyone else into into groups with set, unchanging survival rates rather than see the facts that are clerly laid out before them. Mexico has the most flu, so it has had the most deaths. Plus, there is inferior medical treatment in Mexico and, because Tamiflu is obsolete to treat the common flu, it took a week before anyone was getting the proper medicine. All of those facts explain the statistics, so the existance of alternate theories can only exist to prove peoples own ideas, like that hispanics are inferior. Nazi Germany was simply the last time that it was mainstream to believe in "racial science". It's modern comeback is not new genetics, but disguised blind hate in a masquerade that uses heavy enough terminology to trick a fair amount of the public. Perhaps a gene commmon in mexico does lower resistance to the flu. Is it a gene decided by race? No, as hispanics are all over the world, and people in mexico city may be mostly hispanics, but it does not work both ways; most hispanics are not in Mexico city right now. Genes are dispersed by location more than anything else, and selected in accordingly. The spanish flu hit the US hardest (I think, but am not sure), so a gene may have been selected in that helps against this flu. But that was natural selection, which is caused by reproductive success, not a magical talking faerie gene which grants its protein upon you based on the color of your skin and how much it wants to be your friend. For all I know a bad gene is in Mexico because of genetic drift. But unless you can find that gene and tell me what it is, don't expect me to take you seriously when you make claims that are so amazingly unlikely. Speculation may seem like the heart of science, but taking speculation seriously without any evidence suggests an alternate motive. I may be breaking Goodwins law a million times over, but it's true that the Nazis are the most powerful organized body in recent history who would have accepted race as a scientific reason for disease. Why? Because they kicked out most of their good scientists on account of their race. Let's not be so quick to make judgements as the possibility of a panemic looms overhead. In fact, how about we never make such judgemnts about race, ever? Why do two people from the same ethnic group look similar? Because they have similar genes. Genes control appearance. For some genes, a certain allele is much more common in one group of people than another, such as darker skin tones in Africans than Caucasians. So there may be a gene that affects how someone is affected by swine flu (although it would be a one-in-a-million shot xD) that could be more concentrated in one ethnic group than another. And why are you comparing gene pools to eugenics? Saying "[Insert ethnic group here] may have a genetic disposition to [insert disease here]" is not making a judgment about that race at all. |
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