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I was reading this article and the way the prosecutors acted reminded me of :karma: , :franny: , or :edgeworth: (from the first game) trying to pin the murder on someone who was clearly innocent...they even forgot to establish a motive for crying out loud!

And the man clearly was innocent! Neighbors claimed he was almost saint-like and just two weeks ago, he saved his baby from a burning trailer!

This made me mad :zenitora:
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While the case does sound fishy, it's still entirely possible that he did it.
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Anna Cassidy wrote:
While the case does sound fishy, it's still entirely possible that he did it.


Yes but, it's also possible that he didn't, plenty of doubt remained from what we could tell in the article because nobody gave any substantial evidence to really prove anything...I can't believe the judge already made the verdict!...
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Damn It!

What the hell is the court system coming to?
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Yaragorm wrote:
Anna Cassidy wrote:
While the case does sound fishy, it's still entirely possible that he did it.


Yes but, it's also possible that he didn't, plenty of doubt remained from what we could tell in the article because nobody gave any substantial evidence to really prove anything...I can't believe the judge already made the verdict!...

Emphasis mine.

If you only have one article to go on, how can you truly make a balanced judgment?
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I bet you that one article has more damn sense that the prosecutor.
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I bet you that one article has more damn sense that the prosecutor.

And how, pray tell, do you know this?

Like I said, it's one article. You can't make an informed opinion if you're only getting one side of the story.
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mmm that sounds fun to investigate.

i hope the prosecutors had deadly decisive evidence, because there's no motive or confession.
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It's just a personal opinion, but I think you can trust the court system more than the news. In court, you've got both sides of the story, with an emphasis on evidence. In the news, on the other hand, you can say pretty much anything you want. Besides, they're only interested in the sensational - they're mostly talking about the person, not the facts.
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First of all, that prosecutor seems like an idiot.
Witnesses: He's a great person! Here's a ton of personal anecdotes showing how great he is.
Prosecutor: He's a horrible person! He killed his wife! Therefore, he killed his wife.
Witnesses: Okay, but here's all these places he's volunteered at. See? He is a good person!
Prosecutor: We can only judge people based on their actions, like their volunteering, and not just on those personal anecdotes. However... *shows picture of crime scene* this is his action, killing his wife! He's a horrible person! Therefore, he killed his wife.
Witnesses: But he loved his son so much! He would never do something like this to his son!
Prosecutor: He didn't love his son that much. After all, he killed his wife! Therefore, he killed his wife.


>_>

Anyway, the article really makes it out that he's innocent, but ignoring his character (although looking at his character, it seems pretty unlikely he'd do something like this... but didn't they talk about exactly this on the first trial day of 3-5?) evidence doesn't seem too great on either side. I mean, we have that wire cut on the window (or something) which could show that someone invaded the house, but he could've cut it himself to make it look like there was an intruder. However, they didn't talk about a lot of things, such as any injuries from the supposed attack the previous day, the murder weapon, the gloves, if his parents heard anything, etc. Also, the fact that no motive is a big thing, but they they separated at one point, so they obviously had some issue or something.


Either way, it's pretty sad that such a great guy would either be punished for a horrible crime he did not commit, or that such a great guy would commit such a horrible crime.
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I like how the news story only has sobbing family members and nothing like details on the murder or something. It's pretty damn obvious they've got a good reason to convict him.
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And the man clearly was innocent! Neighbors claimed he was almost saint-like and just two weeks ago, he saved his baby from a burning trailer!


Wait.... clearly innocent of this murder because he once saved a baby?

Haha oh you kids, so naive. :adrian:

Doing nice things doesn't automatically make you innocent of murder :yogi:
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loobywright wrote:
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And the man clearly was innocent! Neighbors claimed he was almost saint-like and just two weeks ago, he saved his baby from a burning trailer!


Wait.... clearly innocent of this murder because he once saved a baby?

Haha oh you kids, so naive. :adrian:

Doing nice things doesn't automatically make you innocent of murder :yogi:

They were building a case for the jury. Who are you going to feel more sympathetic for: the guy who rescued his family from a burning building or the one who sat there and watched them burn?


Anyway, in another article, it said that the guy gave details that didn't match up with what police found, and that his father (or father-in-law, I forget which) had just begun to install some more security stuff in their home.
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I wish they gave more information on that article. We don't know the whole situation, so we really don't have a right to judge. Even the nicest person is capable of murder.
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Pretty much what everyone else said already, this article isn't worth crap because you don't hear anything about the other side of the story.
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Uh just because he saved a baby from a burning trailer doesn't exempt him from killing someone, you fucking retards.

How many times, when you see stuff like this, do you see hear people go BUT HE WAS SUCH A NICE PERSON

The answer is

A whole fucking lot.
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Uh just because he saved a baby from a burning trailer doesn't exempt him from killing someone, you fucking retards.

How many times, when you see stuff like this, do you see hear people go BUT HE WAS SUCH A NICE PERSON

The answer is

A whole fucking lot.

What's weird about this, however, was that he had saved his wife--the murder victim--from that same fire. So it definitely seems odd that he would turn around and kill her. Still, you can't say for positive that he didn't do it.
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The problem I feel for this case stems from the fact that this is out-of-character for him as a person. Sure, he's done a heroic action but that doesn't clear him of the fact that he's capable of doing it. Any person can easily be a murderer in many ways, from trauma down to hating that guy's hairstyle. But it also shows how crap society as a whole can be. One minute, we could be praising a guy for doing something heroic to condemning him for a heinous crime the next.
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He thought he was saving his wife from the fire.

Turns out the fire and his wife were having an affair.

He just didn't find out about it until now.

Then he killed his wife.
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He thought he was saving his wife from the fire.

Turns out the fire and his wife were having an affair.

He just didn't find out about it until now.

Then he killed his wife.


Mystery solved

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Gyakuten Phoenix wrote:
He thought he was saving his wife from the fire.

Turns out the fire and his wife were having an affair.

He just didn't find out about it until now.

Then he killed his wife.


And the fire is next.

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Y'know in Scotland, a man is innocent until proven guilty so this man would be spared.

But then again apparently we're not popular with America just now.

Still they have witnesses saying he's a good man and this never would've happened. He was attacked in a barn or so he claimed. I can't see how they can let this fly without any evidence or witnesses. :yuusaku:
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Y'know in Scotland, a man is innocent until proven guilty...

You DO realize that this also applies to America, right? :/

Anyway, they must've had SOME evidence to convict him. People aren't just convicted for no reason.
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Anna Cassidy wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Y'know in Scotland, a man is innocent until proven guilty...

You DO realize that this also applies to America, right? :/

Anyway, they must've had SOME evidence to convict him. People aren't just convicted for no reason.


Nope did not realise that, but I'm not sure still seems mighty odd to me but all the artical gives us is a story the prosecution made up.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Anna Cassidy wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Y'know in Scotland, a man is innocent until proven guilty...

You DO realize that this also applies to America, right? :/

Anyway, they must've had SOME evidence to convict him. People aren't just convicted for no reason.


Nope did not realise that, but I'm not sure still seems mighty odd to me but all the artical gives us is a story the prosecution made up.

Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to sound rude there.

And I have to agree that it sounds odd, and the article does lead me to believe that he MIGHT have been wrongfully convicted. Still, saying that he's "clearly innocent" strikes me as being quite naive.
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There was obviously much more to the prosecution's argument if the guy was convicted. Actually, there actually was a prosecutor's argument. The article didn't tell us anything about any evidence, testimony, or whatever against the guy.
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BAH in my country he would only have gotten five years max! or maybe none at all.
If anything those prosecutors did a damn good job no matter what anyone says.
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Gyakuten Phoenix wrote:
He thought he was saving his wife from the fire.

Turns out the fire and his wife were having an affair.

He just didn't find out about it until now.

Then he killed his wife.


....That actually makes sense.... :udgy:
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antonis wrote:
BAH in my country he would only have gotten five years max! or maybe none at all.
If anything those prosecutors did a damn good job no matter what anyone says.

Five years? Do we live in the same place??

Seriously though, you can't make any kind of assumptions based on just that one article.
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BAH in my country he would only have gotten five years max! or maybe none at all.
If anything those prosecutors did a damn good job no matter what anyone says.

Five years? Do we live in the same place??

Seriously though, you can't make any kind of assumptions based on just that one article.



How would you know you dont even know where I live.
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antonis wrote:
wheeliebin wrote:
antonis wrote:
BAH in my country he would only have gotten five years max! or maybe none at all.
If anything those prosecutors did a damn good job no matter what anyone says.

Five years? Do we live in the same place??

Seriously though, you can't make any kind of assumptions based on just that one article.



How would you know you dont even know where I live.

Your location says Ireland so I assume thats it
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They should have been easier on him, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have done it.

It's still highly unlikely he did it though. Even so, a life sentence just isn't fair.
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antonis wrote:
wheeliebin wrote:
antonis wrote:
BAH in my country he would only have gotten five years max! or maybe none at all.
If anything those prosecutors did a damn good job no matter what anyone says.

Five years? Do we live in the same place??

Seriously though, you can't make any kind of assumptions based on just that one article.



How would you know you dont even know where I live.


...............Touche yes I do live in Ireland and i've studied the countrys legal system for a few years.
We are increadibly leanient on major crimes such as murder and drug abuse and we are increadibly harsh on petty crimes such as street trading without a traders licence.
So uh I wasnt making any assumptions at all over hear he would have been treated like a prince for what he did.
Also i'm sorry if I came accross as rude.
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antonis wrote:
...............Touche yes I do live in Ireland and i've studied the countrys legal system for a few years.
We are increadibly leanient on major crimes such as murder and drug abuse and we are increadibly harsh on petty crimes such as street trading without a traders licence.
So uh I wasnt making any assumptions at all over hear he would have been treated like a prince for what he did.
Also i'm sorry if I came accross as rude.
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Same here, I apologise. I meant the making assumptions thing as a general comment. And I agree we are too focused on street crime over here
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