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yes...but do you...because obviously someone intelligent could read a simple sentence


Wocky Kitaki, can you help me out on this? I've got no clue on what the fuck this guy's saying.
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No. You're wrong.

shut up already. i'd like to see evidence, or at least some meaningful explanation before you tell me i'm wrong. if you don't want to discuss this, don't arbitrarily tell me i'm wrong.


You're the one with the crack minority idea. You need to show some evidence, not me.

okay, fair enough, i'll sum it up for you. although you shouldn't call anything a "crack idea" until you can explain why it is or why you feel it is a crack idea.

1. building 7 world trade center. it wasn't hit by any planes, not much debris falls on it according to the videos, but it collapsed on itself. it was said to collapse due to fires because of debris, but no building of that stature with steel frames had ever collapsed before. if you look at the video, you can see the building falling in on itself and not damaging any buildings around it, similar to a demolition.

2. the pentagon. the hole in the pentagon was 60 ft across, but a boeing 757 is 125 ft across. also, the plane hit the newly constructed part of the pentagon, opposite to the side of the army generals and such, but that could be chance.

3. bin laden. it's highly possible the "confession" tape is a fraud, muslims have pointed out contradictions between the person on the tape and muslim culture, and bin laden himself.

4. the buildings themselves. once again, if you watch the buildings collapse, it's similar to a demolition, they didn't destroy any buildings around them. the official story is that the buildings collapsed because of a "pancake effect" where the the support between the floors was destroyed and the floors hit each other and it brought the whole building. however, engineers have stated this would leave the solid steel support beams still standing, if the "pancake effect" had happened. also, planes are mostly composed of aluminum, while the towers were built of steel, it's unlikely aluminum could cause that sort of damage.

5. reason. there's sufficient motive, at least. shortly afterward, bush declares war on afghanistan, iraq, etc. obviously this could let america control the area, including the oh so important oil supplies. either way, america has a history of war and conquest.

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yes...but do you...because obviously someone intelligent could read a simple sentence


Wocky Kitaki, can you help me out on this? I've got no clue what the fuck this guy's saying.


i dont need to say anymore since you obviously fail at insults
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Cold52 wrote:
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yes...but do you...because obviously someone intelligent could read a simple sentence


Wocky Kitaki, can you help me out on this? I've got no clue what the fuck this guy's saying.


i dont need to say anymore since you obviously fail at insults


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no problem :godot:
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*sigh* discussion about tragedies really brings out the worst in people... :sadshoe:
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no problem :godot:


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*sigh* discussion about tragedies really brings out the worst in people... :sadshoe:

i'm not seeing the worst in people. it's the usual off topic image spamming and discussion.
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This is all getting a bit silly for me. I'm just trying to have a sensible discussion :(

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1.There was a fuckload of debris EVERYWHERE.
2.So... the plane may have hit at an angle? The wings would probably have sharded off before it impacted.
3.Anyone can make bullshit like that up, the same way they can find problems with the moon landings.
4.Aluminium travelling 200mph would do some SERIOUS damage.
5.Bush declared war on Afghanistan AFTER 9/11 as a REACTION to the Afghan trained terrorists. He had no reason beforehand... Iraq was in 2003 and completely unrelated to terrorism, but to a dictator who they thought had WMDs.

I can't believe I'm defending the USA, but shit... Anyone can bullshit a conspiracy out of anything.

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Honestly, I find the whole conspiracy thing as silly as saying that people have never actually been to the moon and it was just staged. This kind of stuff just comes about because people love to bring controversy into everything.
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*sigh* discussion about tragedies really brings out the worst in people... :sadshoe:

i'm not seeing the worst in people. it's the usual off topic image spamming and discussion.


It brought out the worst in me... :sadshoe:
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L_J wrote:
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*sigh* discussion about tragedies really brings out the worst in people... :sadshoe:

i'm not seeing the worst in people. it's the usual off topic image spamming and discussion.


Really? Where?
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It brought out the worst in me... :sadshoe:


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Sarcasm is hard to decipher through the Interwebz. :payne:


Mehbeh if you're not good at it... :yogi:

Considering the other things Proxy has said on here isn't very serious, I wouldn't take that comment too seriously either.

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Honestly, I find the whole conspiracy thing as silly as saying that people have never actually been to the moon and it was just staged. This kind of stuff just comes about because people love to bring controversy into everything.


I agree. From Y2K to that whole codex(was that what it was called...??) thing, to 12-12-12. All ridiculous.
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I certainly believe the moon landing was real. (Thanks Mythbusters!)

I remain neutral about the 9/11 conspiracy...

And as for the 12/21/12 thing...well let's just say that's why I haven't planned for college yet...
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Why the heck would the Mayan's be arsed to go forward that far? My calendar only goes up to January 2010, ZOMG We're gonna die on New Years!

Unless, *gets calculator*

12 divided by 12 is 1.

1 divided by 12 is 0.083333333333333333333333333333333.

12 divided by 21 is 0.57142857142857142857142857142857.

0.57142857142857142857142857142857 divided by 12 is 0.047619047619047619047619047619048

Astounding, don't you think?
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Considering the other things Proxy has said on here isn't very serious, I wouldn't take that comment too seriously either.


I'm not being sarcastic.
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This is all getting a bit silly for me. I'm just trying to have a sensible discussion :(

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1.There was a fuckload of debris EVERYWHERE.
2.So... the plane may have hit at an angle? The wings would probably have sharded off before it impacted.
3.Anyone can make bullshit like that up, the same way they can find problems with the moon landings.
4.Aluminium travelling 200mph would do some SERIOUS damage.
5.Bush declared war on Afghanistan AFTER 9/11 as a REACTION to the Afghan trained terrorists. He had no reason beforehand... Iraq was in 2003 and completely unrelated to terrorism, but to a dictator who they thought had WMDs.

I can't believe I'm defending the USA, but shit... Anyone can bullshit a conspiracy out of anything.

i fail to see how this is silly.

1. then why didn't any other buildings collapse?
2. but the hole clearly shows it crashed horizontally. how could the wings shard off before impact?
3. what are they making up? that there are contradictions between the person in the video and muslim traditions?
4. but not enough to cause this "pancake effect". the tower engineers have stated that the buildings were designed to take
plane impacts.
5. okay, here's the heart of it. he had no reason beforehand to invade afghanistan, so could have created one. and on iraq, what else would you use wmds for? if it's completely unrelated to terrorism, why did they even go in there?

true anyone can bullshit a conspiracy out of anything, however you can't deny the considerable possibility of this. it's much like one point in case 1-3 where phoenix proves dee could have killed jack hammer, but doesn't have absolute proof to eliminate all doubt.
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1. then why didn't any other buildings collapse?
2. but the hole clearly shows it crashed horizontally. how could the wings shard off before impact?
3. what are they making up? that there are contradictions between the person in the video and muslim traditions?
4. but not enough to cause this "pancake effect". the tower engineers have stated that the buildings were designed to take
plane impacts.
5. okay, here's the heart of it. he had no reason beforehand to invade afghanistan, so could have created one. and on iraq, what else would you use wmds for? if it's completely unrelated to terrorism, why did they even go in there?

true anyone can bullshit a conspiracy out of anything, however you can't deny the considerable possibility of this. it's much like one point in case 1-3 where phoenix proves dee could have killed jack hammer, but doesn't have absolute proof to eliminate all doubt.


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I don't really believe in the whole 2012 thing, I'm just using it as an excuse for not knowing what I want to do in the future... :payne:

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0.047619047619047619047619047619048


The very thought of this number strikes fear into me...

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4. but not enough to cause this "pancake effect". the tower engineers have stated that the buildings were designed to take
plane impacts.


They were expecting that? I guess the engineers must've been part of the conspiracy too...

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true anyone can bullshit a conspiracy out of anything, however you can't deny the considerable possibility of this. it's much like one point in case 1-3 where phoenix proves dee could have killed jack hammer, but doesn't have absolute proof to eliminate all doubt.


Don't you dare bring Ace Attorney into this discussion. :edgeworth:
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1. then why didn't any other buildings collapse?
2. but the hole clearly shows it crashed horizontally. how could the wings shard off before impact?
3. what are they making up? that there are contradictions between the person in the video and muslim traditions?
4. but not enough to cause this "pancake effect". the tower engineers have stated that the buildings were designed to take
plane impacts.
5. okay, here's the heart of it. he had no reason beforehand to invade afghanistan, so could have created one. and on iraq, what else would you use wmds for? if it's completely unrelated to terrorism, why did they even go in there?

true anyone can bullshit a conspiracy out of anything, however you can't deny the considerable possibility of this. it's much like one point in case 1-3 where phoenix proves dee could have killed jack hammer, but doesn't have absolute proof to eliminate all doubt.


And bears never shit in woods.

i'll take that as if you failed to make a reasonable argument.

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4. but not enough to cause this "pancake effect". the tower engineers have stated that the buildings were designed to take
plane impacts.


They were expecting that? I guess the engineers must've been part of the conspiracy too...

uh please tell me you think they might have been expecting, the pancake effect or the building withstanding the hit.
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true anyone can bullshit a conspiracy out of anything, however you can't deny the considerable possibility of this. it's much like one point in case 1-3 where phoenix proves dee could have killed jack hammer, but doesn't have absolute proof to eliminate all doubt.


Don't you dare bring Ace Attorney into this discussion. :edgeworth:

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yes...but do you...because obviously someone intelligent could read a simple sentence


Wocky Kitaki, can you help me out on this? I've got no clue on what the fuck this guy's saying.


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4. but not enough to cause this "pancake effect". the tower engineers have stated that the buildings were designed to take
plane impacts.


They were expecting that? I guess the engineers must've been part of the conspiracy too...

uh please tell me you think they might have been expecting, the pancake effect or the building withstanding the hit.


Actually I meant expecting the plane crash...
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They were expecting that? I guess the engineers must've been part of the conspiracy too...

uh please tell me you think they might have been expecting, the pancake effect or the building withstanding the hit.


Actually I meant expecting the plane crash...

it's a skyscraper. obviously, there's the very slim chance a plane, missile, or whatever might will crash or destroy it, so it's obviously better to make it safer for the people working inside.
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I really don't think the guys laying out the blueprints for the towers said, "Hey, let's make sure an airplane can't crash into this building because that happens all the time." :grey:
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I really don't think the guys laying out the blueprints for the towers said, "Hey, let's make sure an airplane can't crash into this building because that happens all the time." :grey:

well, you know, just in case. and it's not just for airplanes, it's a precaution for other possible disasters too, and just to keep the building stable overall. there's nothing suspicious about it.
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Wow, to think in just four hours, this topic exploded into popularity...then it quickly died down...
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Wow, to think in just four hours, this topic exploded into popularity...then it quickly died down...

i'd say a large majority of people on this forum consists of western europeans, east coast americans, etc.
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Now this is a story all about how

These towers got burned right to the ground

And I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there

I'll tell you how I became the prince of a smoking crater


In west Afghanistan born and raised

In poverty is how I spent most of my days

Building an infrastructure with Russian funds

Whilst the tribal system started to fill up with modern guns


When a couple of Yanks who were up to no good

Trained and funded Mujahs in my neighbourhood

The Soviets left and Bin Laden got mad

And said "you're moving to America to commit Jihad"


I got a plane ticket and when I got on

I revealed that in my shoe I was hiding a bomb

If anything I was mad 'cause I was served pork

But I thought, "Naw, forget it - yo Holmes, to New York!"


I flew up to the towers 'bout half past ten

And the onlooking media said "Oh no, not this again"

I looked at my kingdom, all these virgins were there

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Now this is a story all about how

These towers got burned right to the ground

And I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there

I'll tell you how I became the prince of a smoking crater


In west Afghanistan born and raised

In poverty is how I spent most of my days

Building an infrastructure with Russian funds

Whilst the tribal system started to fill up with modern guns


When a couple of Yanks who were up to no good

Trained and funded Mujahs in my neighbourhood

The Soviets left and Bin Laden got mad

And said "you're moving to America to commit Jihad"


I got a plane ticket and when I got on

I revealed that in my shoe I was hiding a bomb

If anything I was mad 'cause I was served pork

But I thought, "Naw, forget it - yo Holmes, to New York!"


I flew up to the towers 'bout half past ten

And the onlooking media said "Oh no, not this again"

I looked at my kingdom, all these virgins were there

To sit on my bone, with the smell of scorched hair


That was funny....but I still feel sick...
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DoMaya wrote:
Now this is a story all about how

These towers got burned right to the ground

And I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there

I'll tell you how I became the prince of a smoking crater


In west Afghanistan born and raised

In poverty is how I spent most of my days

Building an infrastructure with Russian funds

Whilst the tribal system started to fill up with modern guns


When a couple of Yanks who were up to no good

Trained and funded Mujahs in my neighbourhood

The Soviets left and Bin Laden got mad

And said "you're moving to America to commit Jihad"


I got a plane ticket and when I got on

I revealed that in my shoe I was hiding a bomb

If anything I was mad 'cause I was served pork

But I thought, "Naw, forget it - yo Holmes, to New York!"


I flew up to the towers 'bout half past ten

And the onlooking media said "Oh no, not this again"

I looked at my kingdom, all these virgins were there

To sit on my bone, with the smell of scorched hair


XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Why doesn't anybody click on my links?

That song was on the ED page....
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Why doesn't anybody click on my links?

That song was on the ED page....


I clicked it...I never came back... :lana:
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I really don't think the guys laying out the blueprints for the towers said, "Hey, let's make sure an airplane can't crash into this building because that happens all the time." :grey:

well, you know, just in case. and it's not just for airplanes, it's a precaution for other possible disasters too, and just to keep the building stable overall. there's nothing suspicious about it.


It had one of them red flashing lights on top, what more can they do? If someone wants to fly a plane into it, that's what will happen. You suggesting all sky scrapers should have heat-seeking rocket launchers on the side?

Any lump of metal weighing hundreds of tonnes travelling at 200mph is going to topple a building.
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I really don't think the guys laying out the blueprints for the towers said, "Hey, let's make sure an airplane can't crash into this building because that happens all the time." :grey:

well, you know, just in case. and it's not just for airplanes, it's a precaution for other possible disasters too, and just to keep the building stable overall. there's nothing suspicious about it.


It had one of them red flashing lights on top, what more can they do? If someone wants to fly a plane into it, that's what will happen. You suggesting all sky scrapers should have heat-seeking rocket launchers on the side?

Any lump of metal weighing hundreds of tonnes travelling at 200mph is going to topple a building.

no. it was designed to take airplane crashes in case of incidents like this, obviously.

the engineers have stated the building should've taken the crash without falling. i don't care whether you think it can topple the building or not, it's your ill-informed opinion against the guys who designed it.
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I find it hard to believe that one can design a building that can witstand the impact of the second largest type of transportaional vehilcle on the planet.

It's a lot easier to believe they were wrong when they thought it could withstand a plane. Perhaps a small one, but not a fucking 767.

And it's even easier to believe that you're just wrong.
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