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| Author: | dullahan1 [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
And then some. Seriously, this is just stupid. So what, we get rid of children's childhood all together and force them to go for 11 hours a day and get rid of their summer vacation? They're kids! They need time to be kids. Geez, can you imagine a 5 year old child being away from home for that long every single day? I'm really ticked at what Obama is wanting to do. Time management is not the reason why our schools are being outperformed by other countries. Your thoughts? |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
Should've voted for McCain.  Well actually I'm not old enough to vote.... I think this is just an excuse for eliminating stereotypes about black people... Either that or Obama plans to brainwash the children and force them to his values and beliefs... |
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| Author: | Cold52 [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:42 am ] |
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dullahan1 wrote: Seriously, this is just stupid. So what, we get rid of children's childhood all together and force them to go for 11 hours a day and get rid of their summer vacation? They're kids! They need time to be kids. Geez, can you imagine a 5 year old child being away from home for that long every single day? I'm really ticked at what Obama is wanting to do. Time management is not the reason why our schools are being outperformed by other countries. dullahan1 wrote: Seriously, this is just stupid. So what, we get rid of children's childhood all together and force them to go for 11 hours a day dullahan1 wrote: 11 hours a day  any link for the info? that seems like a little too much...increasing the amount of time would be the worst idea of all...I mean my brother was a dropout because of how long it was (I however graduated :D) i think by increasing that time at school would only make the dropout rate increase -_-;;; |
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| Author: | Acey Enn [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
I'd appreciate it if you'd provide links to support your claims. 
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| Author: | Ninja Steve [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:07 am ] |
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Like this? Well, I saw this earlier, and my first reaction was  and then I was more like 
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| Author: | L_J [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:09 am ] |
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some articles from a quick google search: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... -vacation/ http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD9AVLOCG0 really though, three hours seems a bit too much. maybe half an hour, or an hour, and you'd see decent support, but extending school by three hours, i think is a bad idea. the reason americans score lower than other countries is because of our students and arguably education funding. three more hours will definitely discourage students, i don't think i could survive more than an hour and a half of honors spanish. |
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| Author: | Mike Christiansen [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
Uh... I don't think he can do that. I don't think the entire federal government can do that. School is run by the individual states. In fact, there's no federal requirement for schooling, as far as I know. Besides, especially in the deep southern and southwestern states, electrical costs alone for running Air Conditioning 564 hours longer per current year, plus summer, would cause operating costs for most schools to double. Add the cost of paying teachers - there's already an INCREDIBLE money shortage, and they somehow expect taxpayers to foot this? I mean, my city can't pay for paper in the schools. All of my teachers had a supply requirement that I bring a ream of copy paper. Instead of hiring new teachers, they just shove more students into already beyond-capacity classes. And they want to make this YEAR-ROUND and LONGER PER DAY?! I hate Democrats, usually, because they're REALLY, REALLY bad with money. They jack up taxes, create all kinds of stupid money drains, and cut the defense budget, so we get 9/11'd. Let's look at, quite possibly, the most educationally successful nation: Japan. They go to school fewer hours and only 10 days more per year. Yet, they're so far ahead of us. Mr. President, Barack Obama, uses how much less school we attend as an excuse for this idea. Except, we attend more school and are still stupider? Why? Because so many more of us Americans skip school and the curricular requirements are so damned low. The whatchit they base this shit on is the standardized tests everyone, skippers included, take. So many skippers fail and guess what? Plus, the required curricula are so low across America. It's not time in school, it's material in school. Vote No on proposition whatever-this-is.  And, on that note, Congressman: The scourge of the government. Men who put their own two cents in, instead of their constuents'. It's happened far too often, especially with the NRA being involved. |
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| Author: | Odrom [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:50 am ] |
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The federal government certainly has the power to influence state run educational programs. See the No Child Left behind act the Bush administration passed that gave you all those wondrous standardized tests. By the way, reread the article, nowhere does it say that Obama’s administration is stating that he wants to add exactly 3 hours. And I have no idea where you guys are getting the 11 hours a day figure. The “three hours” figure comes from a “3-year-old state initiative to add 300 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools.” in a district in Boston. And from “Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day.” According to the article, the only thing Obama is advocating for is longer school days and shorter summer vacations … something I personally agree with. Also, quit attributing everything negative and demonizing the political party you disagree with. Despite what a few loud-mouthed pundits may say, that’s not how politics actually works. Members across both major political parties are responsible for both “bad” and “good” choices for the country. Quote: Let's look at, quite possibly, the most educationally successful nation: Japan. You can’t directly compare the Japanese system directly to the US; their curriculum and methodology is completely different, and not without it’s own pitfalls. A lot of Japanese students attend “cram school”, or private courses after regular school, just to keep up with their high academic standards. |
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| Author: | dullahan1 [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:51 am ] |
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Anna Cassidy wrote: I'd appreciate it if you'd provide links to support your claims. Ninja Steve put it up. I was c+ping from another forum and forgot the link. My bad. EDIT: I don't agree with increasing the hours and cutting summer breaks. If anything, just make the schools year round. My main concern is increasing the daily school hours. Seriously, how many people want to leave their little 5 year old kid in school all day? No offense, but interning in schools as I have been, the normal amount of hours seem long enough. Kids get rowdy by the end of the day and they are ready to go home. If you leave them there for a few hours longer, who knows what will happen. I'm sure they'd become unfocused for being there for so long, the teacher might get too stressed from trying to keep the classroom in order as the kids will get rowdy, thus all this will just make trying to get more lessons in a huge mess and learning won't really happen. From my standpoint, I think the hours that are inputted daily are enough. Students and teachers are ready to go home by the end of the day. I think it's just putting more stress onto the teachers as well by adding in so many more hours into a school year. It's not like teaching is easy, you got become very prepared and all this is doing is just putting more work on the teacher's end of trying to get together even more lesson plans to get your students to learn. Another thing I have a problem with is that this cuts into a child's social life. They are kids. Let them be kids. I think society today is putting too much emphasis on forcing children to learn and not enough emphasis on just letting them be themselves. I've been heartbroken at some schools I've been to where they've taken out recess to make more room for learning. What are the results from what I've seen? A rowdy classroom that's hard to discipline at times because students aren't given the opportunity to burn off that extra energy. If school lasts until late afternoon or what have you, they aren't going to be able to spend those few hours at home trying to burn off that extra energy they may have not have been able to burn off at home. For my stance, I don't think adding a half hour a day to school isn't bad, nor would implementing a year round school year. However, I am not for adding all this extra time to our schools and getting rid of our summer vacation. It feels like to me this hasn't been given too much thought from my end and they are just going by results based on a few tests. And seriously Obama needs to think about this too. Back when he was a kid in school, would he have wanted to stay a few extra hours a day and sacrifice his summer vacation. Probably not. All he's really doing is just hurting kids. They only have so long to be kids before they live the rest of their lives as adults. Let them cherish that time please. |
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| Author: | Lunaria42 [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
I think most of the teachers would shoot themselves too if they had to spend an extra three hours in school. Standardized testing and the way it's handled in the states is one of the things wrong with education in the states. The other thing is the people they have in charge of education. In Texas the Education Secretary is not a teacher, but a dentist. A fucking dentist. You can't know what it's like in the classroom if you've never been there in the first place (teacher's perspective of course). We need to look at what other countries are doing and follow their models. This system has been broken far too long. Even Obama says that this idea is not a popular one with his own children. Something needs to be done, but devoting that much more time to the school day and extending school into the summer is probably not the best solution. |
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| Author: | Zeronos [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
Mike Christiansen wrote: and cut the defense budget, so we get 9/11'd. You do realize the defense budget didn't have anything to do with it, right? Hell, it was the inverse. We trained them back in the 80s so they could kill the Soviets, it came back to bite us in the ass in one of the worst ways possible. Hell, this is even assuming the official story's right, which I highly doubt. But this is a different argument for a different thread, so I'll just stop myself now. |
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| Author: | Idiot_Lawyer [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
horrible idea. i work at a school i see the kids on a daily basis, and to be blunt i think the school day is too long right now. by the time school is over most of the kids are draind and then have to go home and do home work. adding the extra 3 hourse will not help scores at all. if any thing the drop out rate will increase well maybe my school district is raising the drop out age from 16 to 18 with a prents consent even though they are adults at 18 and legal should not need the parents consent |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:24 am ] |
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If they shorten summer break, I'm going to burn down my sister's Obama poster.
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| Author: | Zeronos [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:27 am ] |
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More on topic than my previous post: Well, I've only got three more semesters and one more summer break until I finish high school. With any luck he won't manage this by then. |
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| Author: | Idiot_Lawyer [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:28 am ] |
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actualy if we had 3 or 4 equal langth breaks it would be better then one long one and then two really short (like we have know summer is a bought 2 months wile spring and winter are a week and a half at most) alot of the kids forget stuff over summer so most of the time is delt with re-capping what they forgot the previus year. |
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| Author: | Zeronos [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:29 am ] |
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Idiot_Lawyer wrote: actualy if we had 3 or 4 equal langth breaks it would be better then one long one and then two really short (like we have know summer is a bought 2 months wile spring and winter are a week and a half at most) alot of the kids forget stuff over summer so most of the time is delt with re-capping what they forgot the previus year. Yeah, I've heard this. It sounds good to me, I guess, but I'm so used to having the massive break...eh. I don't have much high school left. |
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| Author: | Idiot_Lawyer [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:33 am ] |
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no matter what they do if it is a big change people will complain. it's just human nature |
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| Author: | Zeronos [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:40 am ] |
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Idiot_Lawyer wrote: no matter what they do if it is a big change people will complain. it's just human nature True, true. And despite how Obama isn't the fix-all genius everyone believed him to be, the man's trying to do what's best--though I have a few different notions with him on that subject. Really, I'm just annoyed by all the really frivolous flak people send his way. |
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| Author: | Johnny Rotan [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:57 am ] |
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Total bullshit. Does he honestly think that's going to improve anything? All it's going to do is make kids (and parents) hate him. Someone's allready posted a video on Youtube that uses a modified version of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" song to fit him. |
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| Author: | Idiot_Lawyer [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:14 am ] |
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also the schools. i doubt he will pay to leave the central air on and the lights. and also the stafff will have to get paid. unlike the teachers the maintances workers, hall moniters, and the cooks are not paid with a salary. my workl is having budget problems as is with out having the extra 3 hours (and where not even done with the first tri-mester) |
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| Author: | Gerkuman [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:55 am ] |
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It's about time you people in America had the same amount of summer holiday as us here in the UK. I always thought the amount of time you got off was absurdly long :P |
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| Author: | Perrydotto [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
In Germany, we kinda got the same deal, but for a completely different reason: Germany's education system hasn't got a good reputation, so our government wanted to improve it. By cutting a complete YEAR off without changing the school content at all. Means that we have to stay in school for at least two hours more every day to at least try to get the stuff done we should do in a whole year. It's horrible. And we have the same problems with funding it as well. I sure hope Obama realizes that more hours aren't the key to better educated students - An improved school system and a revision of the content you learn at school is more likely helpful than just adding more time without improving anything. |
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| Author: | Idiot_Lawyer [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:37 am ] |
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yup i agree with both satements. |
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| Author: | DerekAMW [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:43 am ] |
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I thank god I'm Canadian and don't have to put up with any of this. I see alot of high schoolers that drop out because of this because they don't need the additional stress load with jobs and projects and turning to crime because of this. |
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| Author: | neoswordmaster [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
While I do admit that there is a problem with our education system (as low on the list as we are), but I'm not so sure this is the way to do it. Well, I doubt that it's going through. I havn't seen anyone supporting this just yet. Plus what has been previously said. |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:38 am ] |
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Perrydotto wrote: I sure hope Obama realizes that more hours aren't the key to better educated students - An improved school system and a revision of the content you learn at school is more likely helpful than just adding more time without improving anything. I agree with this. Yes, studies show that increasing the time in school will increase test scores. But if East Asian countries have less school hours and higher test scores, there has to be a different way of making schools better. Also, they compare the stuff to the East Asian countries, but aren't they focused on standardized tests and math/science, while America is more focused on creativity and writing? (That's the stereotype/cliche, but I don't know how much it's true.) And kids don't just go home after school and rot. They have homework that they need to do; more school hours will increase the workload and decrease the time for it. This is more when they get to high school, but they have extracurriculars. If school goes until dinner time, are they really going to do sports late at night? I had some sort of productive, afterschool activity every single day, and I cannot imagine that I could have done any of them if school had been (a few hours) longer. ...Okay, that's my opinion from my limited point of view. |
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| Author: | Acey Enn [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:42 pm ] |
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Yaragorm wrote: Either that or Obama plans to brainwash the children and force them to his values and beliefs... This is pretty much one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Where's your evidence, hm? And having read an article about it...it's just a proposition, and it likely won't pass anyway. Also, I remember reading somewhere that the stress levels for students in East Asia are INSANELY high--like, I've read articles about kids killing themselves due to the fact that they couldn't live up to the expectations. (Sadly, I cannot provide citations for this, so there's some chance I'm misremembering. But I remember one article fairly clearly--as I recall, a Chinese student jumped out a window to his (her? I forget) death because the expectations forced upon him by his parents and teachers were too high.) Do we really want that? Again, I apologize sincerely if that part turns out to be untrue...I remember reading about it quite vividly, but I'm--oh wait, here we go. I think this is the story I was thinking of, particularly this part: wow this is depressing wrote: Among the most recent tragedies was the death of a student at Guangzhou University in southern China who jumped off a campus building last week. "I'm very sorry I can not live up to your expectations," wrote the student, named Jun, in a farewell note. It was an all too common story on campuses throughout China. Now, admittedly, that was in reference to a college student rather than a high school student, but from what I understand, expectations in high school are similarly insane. To summarize, just because they have better test scores doesn't mean they actually have a better school system...though I will admit that ours sucks balls and needs serious help, I'd hate to see it go to the opposite extreme (like in China, Japan, etc.). Wow, that...kind of strayed from my original point. Sorry 'bout that. I tend to ramble. In any case, I honestly can't see the whole "more hours in a school day" thing passing. Besides, I remember hearing that education is, in the end, governed primarily at the state level--it'd be massively difficult to enforce these policies. |
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| Author: | Robin Goodfellow [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:03 pm ] |
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To be fair on the idea of cutting down on the time of summer vacation, that probably has to do with the facts 1. you tend to forget things over those months and 2. over the school year certain areas of the brain get stronger/reinforced and then when you go on summer vacation they tend to get much weaker all over again. Since most of the growth kids do mentally is 6 months-18 years they probably figure they can minimize factors like that. I'm not sure about many hours schools already have but I had about seven hours a day (not counting the days I had spares) but yeah, adding hours typically isn't a good idea because it's not just tiring (on both students and teachers) but studies already show that people can usually only focus so long a number of hours straight anyway so the extra hours could just be going to waste (unless they want to add extra breaks with those extra hours). |
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| Author: | Ping' [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:51 pm ] |
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What's the average number of hours a week for a typical high school student in the US? |
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| Author: | Acey Enn [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:58 pm ] |
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Ping' wrote: What's the average number of hours a week for a typical high school student in the US? Well, at my old school, we had six hours of classes, plus a total of around an hour of free time (a 13-minute break and a 45-minute lunch). So about 7 hours a day, if you count breaks. So that would be around 35 hours a week, albeit with only 30 hours of instructional time. I'm not sure if my old school was typical, though, seeing as how it was a charter school... |
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| Author: | Louise [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:24 pm ] |
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lol that's harsh. |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:27 pm ] |
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Anna Cassidy wrote: Ping' wrote: What's the average number of hours a week for a typical high school student in the US? Well, at my old school, we had six hours of classes, plus a total of around an hour of free time (a 13-minute break and a 45-minute lunch). So about 7 hours a day, if you count breaks. So that would be around 35 hours a week, albeit with only 30 hours of instructional time. I'm not sure if my old school was typical, though, seeing as how it was a charter school... That sounds about right for me, too. Of course, that also doesn't count homework, sports, other extracurriculars... >_> |
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| Author: | Yellow Magician [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:11 pm ] |
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hahaha...school. *has less than a year to go* |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:30 pm ] |
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Anna Cassidy wrote: Yaragorm wrote: Either that or Obama plans to brainwash the children and force them to his values and beliefs... This is pretty much one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Where's your evidence, hm? It was a joke... 
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| Author: | neoswordmaster [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:14 pm ] |
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Yaragorm wrote: Anna Cassidy wrote: Yaragorm wrote: Either that or Obama plans to brainwash the children and force them to his values and beliefs... This is pretty much one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Where's your evidence, hm? It was a joke... And thus, the lack of a sarcasim font strikes again. I got it. I knew you wouldn't say something so ignorant. *looks at people who thought Obama was going to brainwash children a few weeks ago* |
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| Author: | Percei [ Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:49 pm ] |
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The major opinion I agree with has been stated, but I would just like to take a moment to point out the irony of having bad grammar in this topic of any. Maybe we do need more time in school. |
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| Author: | L_J [ Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:03 am ] |
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Percei wrote: The major opinion I agree with has been stated, but I would just like to take a moment to point out the irony of having bad grammar in this topic of any. Maybe we do need more time in school. wut u talkin abowt that aint rite bruh |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:15 am ] |
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Percei wrote: The major opinion I agree with has been stated, but I would just like to take a moment to point out the irony of having bad grammar in this topic of any. Maybe we do need more time in school. Sumtiemz ppl do bad gramer on purpus over teh interwebz.... 
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:16 am ] |
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I'm staunchly opposed. I don't want to model this country off of a rigid and inflexible education system. It reminds me of monarchy *shudders* |
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| Author: | WittyVitale [ Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:23 am ] |
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OK, before I state my opinion, I would like to go on the record as saying this: my opinions are not politically based. I don't generally like to talk about my political orientation on public internet forums (I don't like debating/confrontation, especially on the internet.) I'm looking at this issue through a purely psychological perspective and nothing more. That being said: Against what is probably popular opinion (amongst school-aged kids anyway,) I'm in favor of cutting summer vacation short. I don't really think shaving a week or two off of summer vacation is going to kill anybody. In fact, I think it will be more beneficial in the long run; students tend to forget a lot of what they learned during summer break. Perhaps with a shorter summer break, students will be better able to retain information they learned throughout the school year. Their memories will be sharper, basically, which means higher success rates in the classroom. And if students are able to remember more of what they previously learned, academic stress rates could possibly decrease. So I think the idea of shorter summer vacations is a good one. Longer school days however; now that's a completely different story. I'm pretty sure the average school day is about 7 hours, as people here have already said. IMHO, it doesn't need to be any longer. School, especially high school, is an extremely stressful setting. And I'm not just talking about the academics; social factors play a huge role in the high school experience as well. What if a kid is constantly being picked on by his peers? Extending the school day will just subject the kid to more ridicule, which can deeply affect his self-esteem and mental health. And when you add high academic expectations on top of social stress, then you've really got a problem. Depression and other mental health issues start to kick in, which is, needless to say, extremely detrimental. And as some of you have already said, the increased stress levels could possibly raise drop-out rates, which is also detrimental. Basically, extending the school day by a few hours can cause more harm than good. TL;DR: I'm in favor of shorter summer vacations, but I'm strongly against lengthening the average school day. |
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