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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:58 am ] |
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dullahan1 wrote: Because Americans are greedy and want results right then and there. They are very impatient and if they want something, they'll do whatever it takes to get it. Want a good example? Most Americans are fat. Why? Because they are very impatient and they want food right then and there and thus they get instant results. Obesity. It's called the American Dream.
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Obama wanting to add 3 more hours to school days. |
@Femme Fatale VeryHappyTaffy wrote: loobywright wrote: VeryHappyTaffy wrote: More educationally challenged students must be given special attention, while the gifted should be able to move up the tiers more quickly and circumvent mandatory school extensions. So... you're saying that you think you should be in school for longer? I thought you were against the idea. VeryHappyTaffy wrote: Circumvent |
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| Author: | Ultimate Prosecutor [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:56 pm ] |
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VeryHappyTaffy wrote: UltimateProsecutor wrote: I imagine if a low life, poorly educated sixteen year old nobody like you knows something like this, then any politician in a position to need to know this, will indeed know this. If a low life, poorly educated sixteen year old... What's with this personal attack? You don't even know me. Low life:...I'll let it slide... Poorly educated: By American standards, my education is incredibly rigorous. By Chinese standards (country I come from), my education's barely on par with them. Sixteen year old: What does this have to do with anything? There are four year olds smarter than adults. So drop the assumptions, OK? As for politicians in a position to know whatever, I can't describe the process to you. I'm not that educated. Remember that I wrote something about it being in a whole 'nother level compared to college level physics. There was a clandestine government agency devoted to the program. It must not have been easy. Point I'm trying to make is that politicians really don't know much about the things they contest. (Ex. Obama may try to push health care reform through, yet I doubt he knows how the cure for pneumonia works step by step.) So Obama really shouldn't just conjure the bill out of the blue and try to pass it through as a whatever whatever. You clearly don't get irony. All I was doing was pointing out the irony in a student claiming to be more intelligent than the president who is calling students stupid. See? Irony. This part of the conversation is over. I've made clear what I meant by it. The President doesn't need to know the science behind the nuclear bomb or the flu jab. He does not need to know which carbon pi bond splits and forms a new sulphur bridge with an -R- group of a certain stereoisomer of an amino acid or zwitterion. He needs to know how it affects the people, the pros and the cons in terms of well-being, finance, morale and in this case educational benefit. It's not like he's just spouted this out with no knowledge of these things. There will have been hundreds of studies, tests, polls and the like put in front of him and his relevent advisers, and they will have interpreted the facts to come up with a policy. These are not out of the blue. Those facts were that the USA has low educational standards relative to other developed nations, and that US students spend on average less time in class than other developed nations. Given that correlation, any logical person would propose increasing the time students spend in school. The only debate is over how you factor that, whether by adding hours to the day, or weeks to the year. I personally think he's made the wrong call on which of those to focus on, but can see his thought process up till that point. |
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| Author: | EricaP [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:43 pm ] |
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I agree. Taffy is good....I like to suck on it and chew it up. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:51 pm ] |
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Oh right. I forgot... @Femme Fatale: Right, I was saying that the politicians need to consult experts, that they can't just go and pass this out of the blue. Like me, I can't cook unless I consult a cooking book, or a cook. Right? So...yup...sums it all up in one sentence... |
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| Author: | Ultimate Prosecutor [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:03 pm ] |
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VeryHappyTaffy wrote: Right, I was saying that the politicians need to consult experts, that they can't just go and pass this out of the blue. Ultimate Prosecutor wrote: He needs to know how it affects the people, the pros and the cons in terms of well-being, finance, morale and in this case educational benefit. It's not like he's just spouted this out with no knowledge of these things. There will have been hundreds of studies, tests, polls and the like put in front of him and his relevent advisers, and they will have interpreted the facts to come up with a policy. These are not out of the blue. Those facts were that the USA has low educational standards relative to other developed nations, and that US students spend on average less time in class than other developed nations. Given that correlation, any logical person would propose increasing the time students spend in school.[/color] I have already countered that. If you really think Obama or his advisers would suggest something like this without talking to experts first you are very naive and ignorant to the way they devise policy. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:18 pm ] |
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Ultimate Prosecutor wrote: VeryHappyTaffy wrote: Right, I was saying that the politicians need to consult experts, that they can't just go and pass this out of the blue. Ultimate Prosecutor wrote: He needs to know how it affects the people, the pros and the cons in terms of well-being, finance, morale and in this case educational benefit. It's not like he's just spouted this out with no knowledge of these things. There will have been hundreds of studies, tests, polls and the like put in front of him and his relevent advisers, and they will have interpreted the facts to come up with a policy. These are not out of the blue. Those facts were that the USA has low educational standards relative to other developed nations, and that US students spend on average less time in class than other developed nations. Given that correlation, any logical person would propose increasing the time students spend in school.[/color] I have already countered that. If you really think Obama or his advisers would suggest something like this without talking to experts first you are very naive and ignorant to the way they devise policy. I did happen to read in the article about the study. However, again, you can't just assume that the conclusions drawn from a clustered and localized sample can be applied to the general population. I'm pretty sure that Georgia and Alaska have different education systems. Trying to universally impose a 3 hour extension regardless of merit, grade, age, location, demographics, and other factors (as can be inferred from the article) is perfect proof of shallow understanding of the situation by overzealous politicians. |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:25 pm ] |
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Ok, I'm just going to pop in here and say that you're stereotyping politicians. The politicians basically run America, and they wouldn't be politicians if they're as stupid as you think they are. They're smart, smarter than you, and I'm sure that Obama's done a lot of research to back up his opinion. That being said, just because it may works doesn't mean it's the best way to go about the education issue. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:28 pm ] |
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justis76 wrote: Ok, I'm just going to pop in here and say that you're stereotyping politicians. The politicians basically run America, and they wouldn't be politicians if they're as stupid as you think they are. They're smart, smarter than you, and I'm sure that Obama's done a lot of research to back up his opinion. That being said, just because it may works doesn't mean it's the best way to go about the education issue. This applies to some politicians. Since the Lyndon B. Johnson fiasco in Vietnam, the common citizen has become quite wary of the things that come out of a politician's mouth. I'm sure Obama's smart. He's got certified degrees and all. But I'm just saying that not everyone up the chain of command from him to the research teams is competent. I mean, how serious are the politicians who pass bills like "Maps sold in Lima, Ohio, that do not contain the location of Lima, Ohio, are illegal."? |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:33 pm ] |
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You are aware those laws were probably made 100 years ago? |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:35 pm ] |
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justis76 wrote: You are aware those laws were probably made 100 years ago? No, because they constantly shell out a stream of new ridiculous ones. |
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| Author: | Louise [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:40 pm ] |
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justis76 wrote: and they wouldn't be politicians if they're as stupid as you think they are. They're smart, smarter than you Oh yeah, that George Bush is a fucking genius. |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:48 pm ] |
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Well, he was pretty aweswome in Harold & Kumar. Even if it was just an actor playing him... |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:05 pm ] |
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loobywright wrote: justis76 wrote: and they wouldn't be politicians if they're as stupid as you think they are. They're smart, smarter than you Oh yeah, that George Bush is a fucking genius. Did you get into Yale and Harvard? No? Okay, shut up. I don't care if he pronounces "nuclear" funny or you thought he handled the war on terrorism poorly or he said a few stupid things or whatever. He deserves some props. (He was at least smart enough to be elected and re-elected.) |
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| Author: | NinjaMonkey [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:10 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: .I don't care if he pronounces "nuclear" funny or you thought he handled the war on terrorism poorly or he said a few stupid things or whatever. He deserves some props. (He was at least smart enough to be elected and re-elected.) More like that the majority of Americans were dumb enough to vote for him... |
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| Author: | Louise [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:19 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: loobywright wrote: justis76 wrote: and they wouldn't be politicians if they're as stupid as you think they are. They're smart, smarter than you Oh yeah, that George Bush is a fucking genius. Did you get into Yale and Harvard? No? Okay, shut up. I don't care if he pronounces "nuclear" funny or you thought he handled the war on terrorism poorly or he said a few stupid things or whatever. He deserves some props. (He was at least smart enough to be elected and re-elected.) LOL you actually think he's smart? Oh you poor thing!!!! Seriously though, you just made me snort XD |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:21 pm ] |
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Yeah, Bush is a complete and utter idiot. I don't even think I could make a decent argument over that, and I argue about everything. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:23 pm ] |
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Actually, I don't think anyone here knows if Looby got into Yale/Harvard or not. Main point: Bush wasn't a very good president or politician. Did you ever wonder why his approval ratings were so low? Bush won a disputed election, not a popular vote. He got electoral votes that he shouldn't have, but Gore was too passive to protest it. So Bush got lucky. |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:39 pm ] |
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loobywright wrote: Bad Player wrote: loobywright wrote: Oh yeah, that George Bush is a fucking genius. Did you get into Yale and Harvard? No? Okay, shut up. I don't care if he pronounces "nuclear" funny or you thought he handled the war on terrorism poorly or he said a few stupid things or whatever. He deserves some props. (He was at least smart enough to be elected and re-elected.) LOL you actually think he's smart? Oh you poor thing!!!! Seriously though, you just made me snort XD You do realize there's a big difference between whether he's smart or whether he was a good president, right? But the fact of the matter is he got into Yale and Harvard. ...I'm most playing devil's advocate and arguing for argument's sake here, for the fun of it :3 @VHT: I know I don't know, but chances are Looby didn't. (I'm not insulting you, Looby, or anything, but it's just that not a very large percentage of people have gotten in.) ...So Bush was smart enough to get himself elected without even getting the popular vote. kk. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:44 pm ] |
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No, rather, Bush was personally influential enough. And his brother was the governor of Florida, one of the disputed vote states. |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:45 pm ] |
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VeryHappyTaffy wrote: No, rather, Bush was personally influential enough. And his brother was the governor of Florida, one of the disputed vote states. mmTrue. This is a minor point that I really don't feel like discussing. I barely feeling like discussing Bush at all now, really. |
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| Author: | crouton [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:46 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Did you get into Yale and Harvard? No? Okay, shut up. I don't care if he pronounces "nuclear" funny or you thought he handled the war on terrorism poorly or he said a few stupid things or whatever. He deserves some props. (He was at least smart enough to be elected and re-elected.) Degrees and Ivy league schools don't really mean shit. The guy sucked as a president and mishandled many things. He made the USA pretty much the laughingstock of the world, and the entire earth celebrated when he was officially out of office. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:47 pm ] |
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crouton wrote: Bad Player wrote: Did you get into Yale and Harvard? No? Okay, shut up. I don't care if he pronounces "nuclear" funny or you thought he handled the war on terrorism poorly or he said a few stupid things or whatever. He deserves some props. (He was at least smart enough to be elected and re-elected.) Degrees and Ivy league schools don't really mean shit. The guy sucked as a president and mishandled many things. He made the USA pretty much the laughingstock of the world, and the entire earth celebrated when he was officially out of office. Not to mention the recession started right before he left office. |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:49 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Did you get into Yale and Harvard? No? Okay, shut up. Bush only got into those schools because his dad payed for it.
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| Author: | neoswordmaster [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:50 pm ] |
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^ And he attacked an innocent country, putting us into a "war" we can't leave. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:51 pm ] |
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VeryHappyTaffy wrote: Yaragorm wrote: Bad Player wrote: Did you get into Yale and Harvard? No? Okay, shut up. Bush only got into those schools because his dad payed for it. ![]() Sort of. There are also a lot of other reprehensible things he probably did to force his way into the school. Neo wrote: And he attacked an innocent country, putting us into a "war" we can't leave. Actually, he attacked two. |
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| Author: | neoswordmaster [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:54 pm ] |
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Anyway, let's get back on topic. This is about Obama and education. Not Bush bashing. |
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| Author: | Bad Player [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:54 pm ] |
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Yaragorm wrote: Bad Player wrote: Did you get into Yale and Harvard? No? Okay, shut up. Bush only got into those schools because his dad payed for it. ![]() ...Not something I'm getting into. neoswordmaster wrote: And he attacked an innocent country, putting us into a "war" we can't leave. Again, getting into whether he was a good president or not, not if he's an idiot or not. (Hindsight is 20/20.) EDIT: kk, I'm done. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:56 pm ] |
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Back on topic: @Ultimate prosecutor... VeryHappyTaffy wrote: Ultimate Prosecutor wrote: VeryHappyTaffy wrote: Right, I was saying that the politicians need to consult experts, that they can't just go and pass this out of the blue. Ultimate Prosecutor wrote: He needs to know how it affects the people, the pros and the cons in terms of well-being, finance, morale and in this case educational benefit. It's not like he's just spouted this out with no knowledge of these things. There will have been hundreds of studies, tests, polls and the like put in front of him and his relevent advisers, and they will have interpreted the facts to come up with a policy. These are not out of the blue. Those facts were that the USA has low educational standards relative to other developed nations, and that US students spend on average less time in class than other developed nations. Given that correlation, any logical person would propose increasing the time students spend in school.[/color] I have already countered that. If you really think Obama or his advisers would suggest something like this without talking to experts first you are very naive and ignorant to the way they devise policy. I did happen to read in the article about the study. However, again, you can't just assume that the conclusions drawn from a clustered and localized sample can be applied to the general population. I'm pretty sure that Georgia and Alaska have different education systems. Trying to universally impose a 3 hour extension regardless of merit, grade, age, location, demographics, and other factors (as can be inferred from the article) is perfect proof of shallow understanding of the situation by overzealous politicians. |
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| Author: | Ultimate Prosecutor [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:13 pm ] |
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You mean the innocent countries responsible for training terrorists that have cost the Western world thousands of innocent lives and persecuted sections of their own society to the point of genocide? I agree, how terrible of Bush. Hey, he may not got the most votes but somehow got into the White House because of some ass Electoral College system set up by the Founding Fathers (Who's dumber, someone who sets up a "Democracy" where you can win with less votes, or the person that uses it to their advantage?), however I would have gone into Iraq in his position. The whole WMD debacle was a mistake by the Spin Doctors, but the persecution of Kurds and Al-Qaeda support was reason enough. (Not to mention they attacked Daddy Bush!!!!) Ok, so I appreciate that different states handle education differently in the same way different boroughs do here, and of course it would have to be handled individually by each in accordance with guidelines from Washington. I think standardising would be a fairly good start though. Then after you've got a base which is all the same, you can tailor it to the needs of that particular state, so teaching people in New York more Astrophysics and Maths whereas in Alabama more guides on How to cook road kill, how not to shoot your own signs and how Freud's idea of sleeping with your mothers may not be advisable after all. It's these little details that can be added on afterwards. @VHT How do you know they were from a localized clustered bit of info and not nationwide? There's already been a 3 year state initiative to add 300 hours to the school year which has shown positive results. |
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| Author: | DoMaya [ Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:36 am ] |
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Shut up all of you, Bush is awesome. What other president have they ever made a cartoon of? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m4d8sKRA5I -Nobody that's who. |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:36 am ] |
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DoMaya wrote: Shut up all of you, Bush is awesome. What other president have they ever made a cartoon of? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m4d8sKRA5I -Nobody that's who. .....Oh yeah, that show was awesome....
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| Author: | Femme Fatale [ Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:59 am ] |
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VeryHappyTaffy wrote: Oh right. I forgot... @Femme Fatale: Right, I was saying that the politicians need to consult experts, that they can't just go and pass this out of the blue. Like me, I can't cook unless I consult a cooking book, or a cook. Right? So...yup...sums it all up in one sentence... As Ultimate Prosecutor said, he's NOT passing this out of the blue. Obama HAS advisors, he HAS spoken with experts. He's put in research and tried to put 1 and 1 together. Maybe he didn't go about it the right way, but he's not an idiot. It's not like he just pulled this idea out of his ass. Unless you're insinuating that you know more about politics, child's psychology, education, nuclear phsyics and et cetera than your own president, his advisors AND the experts they've probably consulted? By the way, your examples haven't been "Obama doesn't know the recipe, therefore he can't cook" your examples have been "Obama doesn't know the anatomy of a goat, therefore he cannot cook." It's somewhat related, but at the end, you're completely off. |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:30 pm ] |
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Femme Fatale wrote: VeryHappyTaffy wrote: Oh right. I forgot... @Femme Fatale: Right, I was saying that the politicians need to consult experts, that they can't just go and pass this out of the blue. Like me, I can't cook unless I consult a cooking book, or a cook. Right? So...yup...sums it all up in one sentence... As Ultimate Prosecutor said, he's NOT passing this out of the blue. Obama HAS advisors, he HAS spoken with experts. He's put in research and tried to put 1 and 1 together. Maybe he didn't go about it the right way, but he's not an idiot. It's not like he just pulled this idea out of his ass. Unless you're insinuating that you know more about politics, child's psychology, education, nuclear phsyics and et cetera than your own president, his advisors AND the experts they've probably consulted? By the way, your examples haven't been "Obama doesn't know the recipe, therefore he can't cook" your examples have been "Obama doesn't know the anatomy of a goat, therefore he cannot cook." It's somewhat related, but at the end, you're completely off. Of course the discussion has progressed. So I have adjusted my arguments to suit my opponent's stands. |
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| Author: | Ultimate Prosecutor [ Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:33 pm ] |
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Yea, like, I can cook a good fried egg, but I don't know why the yolk sometimes goes hard or why oil turns it pink, or how the white goes, err, white. Or why it falls off the spatula between the frying pan and the plate, meaning I have to start again but go for scrambled for safety. Umm, Obama can cook a good fried egg too, the problem is this egg was a bit old and the yolk split or something. /terrible analogy. I believe that human beings and fish can coexist in peace. |
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| Author: | Ceres [ Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:35 pm ] |
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| Author: | carbon monoxide [ Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:36 pm ] |
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Oh my god...I was scared out of my socks. I thought I had done something else wrong... |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:12 am ] |
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Ceres wrote: ![]() Um......OK?........
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| Author: | justis76 [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:15 am ] |
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That's a nice piece of meat. |
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| Author: | dullahan1 [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:28 am ] |
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Ceres wrote: ![]() Stick a fork in America, we're done. |
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