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Author:  Catgrenade [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:30 pm ]
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Scarred_owl wrote:
lol, I read somewhere that plants don't feel pain, but some plants release a gas when you pick a leaf, so that may be a sign of pain. I don't beleive it o' course, but just thought i'd say it for the sake of it.


Did you read my last two posts? About how plants and fungi aren't sentient beings and can't feel pain?

Author:  Mr. Anderson [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:57 pm ]
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueri ... 46,00.html

Yaragorm must write for the guardaian

Author:  Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:22 pm ]
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Mr. Anderson wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,,-83446,00.html

Yaragorm must write for the guardaian

Very funny, you know I can't write that well.

Author:  Louise [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:08 pm ]
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Mr. Anderson wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,,-83446,00.html

Yaragorm must write for the guardaian


lol I love some of the answers on that.


Yaragorm wrote:
Very funny, you know I can't write that well.


We'd noticed.

Author:  Electroboy [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:10 pm ]
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Don't worry. Hitler wasn't really a vegetarian. That's a story

Author:  Louise [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:13 pm ]
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electroboy wrote:
Don't worry. Hitler wasn't really a vegetarian. That's a story


And who mentioned Hitler.

Author:  Electroboy [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:13 pm ]
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loobywright wrote:
electroboy wrote:
Don't worry. Hitler wasn't really a vegetarian. That's a story


And who mentioned Hitler.

Just throwing it out there.

Author:  Catgrenade [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:21 pm ]
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electroboy wrote:
loobywright wrote:
electroboy wrote:
Don't worry. Hitler wasn't really a vegetarian. That's a story


And who mentioned Hitler.

Just throwing it out there.


Hitler just didn't eat chicken, if I remember right.

Author:  Electroboy [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:30 pm ]
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He loved sausages and meat pies

Author:  Cyrus Vorazan [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:37 pm ]
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How much is known about Hitler... I even don't know that much about myself O_O

Author:  Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:38 pm ]
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He never smoked either.

Author:  Cyrus Vorazan [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:46 pm ]
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Good man, but that's off topic we spread, Yara.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:47 pm ]
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Oh yeah it is....

Has anyone ever seen a fat vegetarian? I've heard of them but I thought they were just a myth...

Author:  Louise [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:01 pm ]
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I'm a fat vegetarian :pearl:

But that's because I'm bad at choosing what to eat.

Author:  Catgrenade [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:02 pm ]
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Just because being a vegetarian is usually healthier doesn't mean there can't be unhealthy vegetarians...

For the first month I went vegetarian I ate nothing but cheese pizza.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:05 pm ]
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Last time I heard, cheese pizza isn't all that fattening.

The only fat vegetarian thing that comes to mind for me is French Fries...

Author:  Louise [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:06 pm ]
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Yeah, vegetarians don't live off fruits and vegetables.

I eat a lot of chips and anything with cheese on.

I am unhealthy but I feel healthier than when I ate meat... if you see what I mean.

In about 2 weeks it'll be a year since going veggie... never though I'd make it ='D

Author:  Cyrus Vorazan [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:10 pm ]
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Pizza is not very good by itself, mostly. Don't know about cheese one, never ate one, actually.

Vegetarians aren't living much longer than other people. Two or three years difference, as I heard. But they're much weaker than people with normal, balansed diet.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:12 pm ]
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The world's oldest dog was vegetarian until it died a few months ago....

Author:  Cyrus Vorazan [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:23 pm ]
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Well, the dog is a dog. Dogs and most of animals have longer pancreas, so vegetarian diet has more influence on animals than on humen.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:26 pm ]
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Guess that's why vegetarian cats die so quickly....

Author:  Cyrus Vorazan [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:31 pm ]
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Sorry, got a typo. Not vegetarian diet, I meant vegetarian food. And, as i metioned, the best variant is BALANSED diet.
Sorry, I'm not a big master in animal's gastrointestinal system. I'm just speaking out my opinion.

Author:  Catgrenade [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:32 pm ]
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Yaragorm wrote:
Guess that's why vegetarian cats die so quickly....


Cats are carnivorous. People that have vegetarian cats are dumb, although dogs can be vegan.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:34 pm ]
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Why is it that it seems wrong to eat animals when they're eating each other too?

Author:  SD-Rim_6 [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:42 pm ]
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Yaragorm wrote:
Why is it that it seems wrong to eat animals when they're eating each other too?

That's because we can make the decision not to eat animals. Animals have to eat to survive and they can't think otherwise. Humans, on the other hand, can decide whether to eat an animal or not. We can actually decide what to eat instead of eating the first thing we see. That is why some people think it's wrong when other people eat meat.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:44 pm ]
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Hmm, good point. I don't see anything wrong with eating meat but I guess that's because I stare at the sun too much....

Author:  Cyrus Vorazan [ Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:45 pm ]
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It seems fine to me. Who thinks that that's wrong is gravely mistaken. They are trying to save animals, but they are breaking food chains (I think that's how they're called?)

Author:  SD-Rim_6 [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:11 am ]
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Well animals still die whether someone eats meat or not. Vegetarians are not really helping the animals by not eating them

Author:  Femme Fatale [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:29 am ]
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Yaragorm wrote:
Why is it that it seems wrong to eat animals when they're eating each other too?


Other animals don't torture and specifically raise animals so that they have no hope of living even 1/5th of their normal life span. ._.

And as SD_Rim said, people also have a choice. interestingly enough, humans have more of a herbivorous digestive system than other omnivores. Omnivores tend to have more of a carnivorous digestive system.

electroboy wrote:
Don't worry. Hitler wasn't really a vegetarian. That's a story


Don't worry. Your Algebra teacher doesn't really crossdress. That's a story

Author:  Yaragorm [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:32 am ]
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Femme Fatale wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
Why is it that it seems wrong to eat animals when they're eating each other too?


Other animals don't torture and specifically raise animals so that they have no hope of living even 1/5th of their normal life span. ._.

But for cat food, the animals were still killed the same way except it was made for cats...yet I know some vegetarians with cats and they don't seem to mind their cats eating meat...

Author:  Femme Fatale [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:46 am ]
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Yaragorm wrote:
Femme Fatale wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
Why is it that it seems wrong to eat animals when they're eating each other too?


Other animals don't torture and specifically raise animals so that they have no hope of living even 1/5th of their normal life span. ._.

But for cat food, the animals were still killed the same way except it was made for cats...yet I know some vegetarians with cats and they don't seem to mind their cats eating meat...


Well considering cats are carnivorous I'd be worried if they minded their cats were eating meat.

Cat food is all the left over pieces and bits of meat from what was left from humans. Basically, giving your cat cat food is not wasting the animal. Farm animals aren't raised specifically for animal food, they just make pet food out of whatever they have left. For example, pets get non-kosher meat, the "bad" part of farm animals, and the meat from dead Dairy Cows which cannot be made into anything but low-grade meat.

also some people choose to become vegetarian to decrease the demand for meat so that more animals don't have to be so unneccessarily killed.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:50 am ]
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Femme Fatale wrote:
Cat food is all the left over pieces and bits of meat from what was left from humans. Basically, giving your cat cat food is not wasting the animal. Farm animals aren't raised specifically for animal food, they just make pet food out of whatever they have left. For example, pets get non-kosher meat, the "bad" part of farm animals, and the meat from dead Dairy Cows which cannot be made into anything but low-grade meat.

also some people choose to become vegetarian to decrease the demand for meat so that more animals don't have to be so unneccessarily killed.


Is that so? I have a cat and this whole time I had no idea...

Author:  Acey Enn [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:53 am ]
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Yaragorm wrote:
Femme Fatale wrote:
Actually, Yaragorm, my arguement had nothing to do with forcing you to become a vegetarian/whateverelseinthatvein, I just wanted you to know the flaws in your arguement. I'm not even a vegetarian myself.

Oh....it seems every vegetarian I know is trying to convert me and I just thought this was another example of that...

She explicitly said she wasn't a vegetarian, you fucking moron. -_-

Author:  Yaragorm [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:54 am ]
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Anna Cassidy wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
Femme Fatale wrote:
Actually, Yaragorm, my arguement had nothing to do with forcing you to become a vegetarian/whateverelseinthatvein, I just wanted you to know the flaws in your arguement. I'm not even a vegetarian myself.

Oh....it seems every vegetarian I know is trying to convert me and I just thought this was another example of that...

She explicitly said she wasn't a vegetarian, you fucking moron. -_-

I didn't know that before she said that.

Author:  Acey Enn [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:55 am ]
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Yaragorm wrote:
Anna Cassidy wrote:
She explicitly said she wasn't a vegetarian, you fucking moron. -_-

I didn't know that before she said that.

She said it repeatedly before that, actually.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:58 am ]
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Anna Cassidy wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
Anna Cassidy wrote:
She explicitly said she wasn't a vegetarian, you fucking moron. -_-

I didn't know that before she said that.

She said it repeatedly before that, actually.

Well I didn't notice that, excuse me for finding reading a challenge.

Author:  Acey Enn [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:59 am ]
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Yaragorm wrote:
Anna Cassidy wrote:
Yaragorm wrote:
I didn't know that before she said that.

She said it repeatedly before that, actually.

Well I didn't notice that, excuse me for finding reading a challenge.

Something tells me you aren't even trying.

I do realize that some people have trouble with reading, but Jesus, she's said it enough in this thread that anyone would have noticed it by now.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:00 am ]
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Anna Cassidy wrote:
I do realize that some people have trouble with reading, but Jesus, she's said it enough in this thread that anyone would have noticed it by now.

Oh well, I probably wasn't paying attention either...

Author:  pandyra [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:30 am ]
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For fuck's sake, if you're not going to try, then shut the fuck up and get the hell out. If reading is such a damn challenge, what are you doing in a place where almost all of the content is text? And quit pulling the "oh poor me I eat meat and every person who's a vegetarian is trying to convert me" card. It's annoying and we keep telling you that's not what we're doing.
It's surprisingly easy to be unhealthy as a vegetarian. It's not just what you eat, it's how much as well. Salad is great, but if you're eating a salad where the toppings are ranch dressing, croutons and cheddar cheese and there's more topping than salad, you should probably take a look at your diet. As for cheese pizza, it still has a ton of grease. Eating a lot of it every day is not going to help you. I don't eat a lot of meat, pizza or fried things simply because having so much grease at once makes me sick. I can't eat more than one fast food meal every couple of days, or my intestines revolt. And when I eat meat, it's almost always something very lean; I honestly don't like the taste of fat in my steaks and it makes me sick anyway.

Author:  Yaragorm [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:31 am ]
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How mean...

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