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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
SerialVER wrote: Yaragorm wrote: SerialVER wrote: Generalize much? I've never seen this happen, is it a regional thing where you come from? I would say if people are stealing your wallet, it might be more than about the turkey sandwich... and DANG pre-packed sandwiches are expensive. I live in California, where hippies run galore and people steal your wallet because they think they can find a better use for it than something made from an animal. Is it a leather wallet? OH GASP. It is. But they also think the money could be used for better purposes too. And they must be gorillas seeing as they can eat only vegetables and still be so huge. |
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| Author: | dancingwattletree [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
I try hard to stay away from gelatin, but it is impossible for anyone to not eat any form of meat in there lives. But anyway, I don't mind people eating meat near me, I can't just tell people to go away because I'm a vegetarian. Oh, and not all vegetarians are hippies, as far as I know. |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yaragorm wrote: SerialVER wrote: Yaragorm wrote: I live in California, where hippies run galore and people steal your wallet because they think they can find a better use for it than something made from an animal. Is it a leather wallet? OH GASP. It is. But they also think the money could be used for better purposes too. And they must be gorillas seeing as they can eat only vegetables and still be so huge. Contradiction: You don't really need meat to be big, all you need is to eat a lot. You can get protein, calcium, blah blah blah, all that healthy stuff from vegetarian foods, so it's entirely possible for a vegetarian to be bigger than somebody that does eat meat. It's also possible for somebody that doesn't eat meat to be unhealthier than somebody that does. |
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| Author: | Louise [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
dancingwattletree wrote: but it is impossible for anyone to not eat any form of meat in there lives. No it's not. |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
It's incredibly unlikely. Unless you live in a 3rd world country where you can't afford meat. |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
loobywright wrote: dancingwattletree wrote: but it is impossible for anyone to not eat any form of meat in there lives. No it's not. She's right.(*gasp) Babies in test tubes never have the joy of tasting things like meat. Most vegetarians probably came from these test tubes. |
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| Author: | Louise [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
............ *facepalm* |
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| Author: | Satoshi [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
justis76 wrote: It's incredibly unlikely. Unless you live in a 3rd world country where you can't afford meat. There are many vegetarian parents who doesn't give any meat to their children. And there's a lot of examples when it comes to no good. -- |
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| Author: | Regy Rusty [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yaragorm wrote: loobywright wrote: dancingwattletree wrote: but it is impossible for anyone to not eat any form of meat in there lives. No it's not. She's right.(*gasp) Babies in test tubes never have the joy of tasting things like meat. Most vegetarians probably came from these test tubes. What the fuck is wrong with you? |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Regy Rusty wrote: What the fuck is wrong with you? There isn't a day I don't ask that question myself. |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
....... This topic always makes me lol. I like corn. |
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| Author: | Acey Enn [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yaragorm wrote: loobywright wrote: dancingwattletree wrote: but it is impossible for anyone to not eat any form of meat in there lives. No it's not. She's right.(*gasp) Babies in test tubes never have the joy of tasting things like meat. Most vegetarians probably came from these test tubes. I'm seriously starting to think you're a troll...or maybe just mentally retarded. |
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| Author: | Femme Fatale [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Oddly enough, children raised to be vegetarian tend to grow taller than those only raised on meat, iirc. |
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| Author: | Louise [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Then I blame my parents for me being a short arse ;__; |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Femme Fatale wrote: Oddly enough, children raised to be vegetarian tend to grow taller than those only raised on meat, iirc. BULLSHIT. I'm taller than most of the vegetarians in my school, especially the ones who are vegetarian for religious reasons. |
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| Author: | dullahan1 [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Femme Fatale wrote: Oddly enough, children raised to be vegetarian tend to grow taller than those only raised on meat, iirc. Really? And all this time I thought it was because I inherited my mom's short genes. Heck, guys on her side are lucky if they reach 5'5". Well, that explains everything. |
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| Author: | Satoshi [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
There's actually no prove that vegetarian children are more healthful than that who was raised on meat, and there's no prove to otherwise. Each side has their own examples. But personally, I think that's kinda wrong to impose your own point of view to a little kid. xX |
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| Author: | 34Chan [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yeah been there done that Gave it up after a while |
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| Author: | Femme Fatale [ Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yaragorm wrote: Femme Fatale wrote: Oddly enough, children raised to be vegetarian tend to grow taller than those only raised on meat, iirc. BULLSHIT. I'm taller than most of the vegetarians in my school, especially the ones who are vegetarian for religious reasons. Quote: Studies have shown that vegetarian kids grow taller and have higher IQs than their classmates, and they are at a reduced risk for heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and other diseases in the long run. Source Quote: Sabate (1991) studied 895 non-vegetarian children and 870 vegetarian children aged 7 to 18 years and found that for both boys and girls the vegetarian children were taller. This did not change after adjustment for parental height and socioeconomic class. The vegetarian children consumed less convenience foods and dairy products and more starchy foods, pulses, fruit and vegetables which may play a part in their being taller. Source Pandas are carnivores. They primarily eat bamboo and they're fucking huge of course they're endangered too but that's beside the point. However it should be noted that children raised on vegan diets tend to be shorter. Satoshi - Actually, I haven't ever seen a good arguement on the side saying non-vegetarianism is healthier than vegetarianism. Most people just fight back with "we were born omnivores so we should eat both." Actually, on that train of thought... I remember reading how Humans are not natural meat eaters. (or even true omnivores) The articles I've read have raised several good points. For example, we do not have an omnivorous digestive system. (Ours is more similar to a herbivore's digestive system. Omnivores tend to have a digestive system similar to carnivores) In addition, our teeth are incorrectly spaced out for chewing on meat- leading to choking (a problem which carnivores and omnivores do not have) Our natural life style is more similar to that of a herbivore (though could be attributed to the fact that our ancestors were exclusively vegetarian) dulla and lube it's just your genes. i doubt eating more vegetables can affect height drastically... |
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| Author: | elske55 [ Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Ritsuka~ wrote: I used to be a vegetarian. [/quote]I still would be if my parents hadn't forced me back. -_- yeah my parents won't let me either |
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| Author: | Zeronos [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
I'm interested in doing this at least on a trial basis to see if I would be able to do it. I eat a lot of meat and dairy, so... I guess what I'm asking is, 'What are some foods that could make it easier for someone who wants to try it but dislikes vegetables immensely?'. I already know I like tofu sausage, if that helps. |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Femme Fatale wrote: Actually, I haven't ever seen a good arguement on the side saying non-vegetarianism is healthier than vegetarianism. FACT: Most vegetarians are either anorexic or bulimic. Oh, and this thing I read. |
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| Author: | silentxfilmstar [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yaragorm wrote: Femme Fatale wrote: Actually, I haven't ever seen a good arguement on the side saying non-vegetarianism is healthier than vegetarianism. FACT: Most vegetarians are either anorexic or bulimic. Oh, and this thing I read. Why do you always have to insist that vegetarians are wrong in their ways of eating?? Why does it matter to you?? You're just as annoying as the PETA fanatics (which are not all vegetarians) who try to convert people to veganism. How do you know that *most* vegetarians are either anorexic or bulemic?? I read an article saying that there's a higher chance that there are ana/mias who use veganism as an excuse, but it didn't say *most* of them were (even though my sister is one of them...). |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
I'm sorry, I meant most Californian vegetarians. |
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| Author: | Femme Fatale [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yaragorm wrote: Femme Fatale wrote: Actually, I haven't ever seen a good arguement on the side saying non-vegetarianism is healthier than vegetarianism. FACT: Most vegetarians are either anorexic or bulimic. Oh, and this thing I read. no. your fact is bullshit: Many teenage vegetarians are anorexic or bulimic. they are not anorexic or bulimic due to becoming vegetarian-- Vegetarianism is normally just a cover-up to hide their eating disorders. Vegetarianism did not cause the eating disorders. I'm currently skimming the webpage. It does do a very well job at putting into question some statistics or facts vegetarians offer. However, it doesn't give any of its' own. It doesn't prove that meat-eating is better for you, it's just saying vegetarianism isn't as good as you may think. It doesn't give any statistics, instead it relies on words such as "most," "many," or "few." In also, to many vegetarians facts it just replies "no, that's not true" with hardly any supporting evidence except "look how I can make this quote look silly and unreliable teehee." I also have a problem with the author's way of phrasing sentences, at one part she tries to quote a source that implies that all children raised vegetarian die-- without any proof (which irks me). In addition, I find flaw in the fact that it completely ignores the torture animals have to go through while being farmed (and the fact that many are not fully dead while being skinned and therefore they do not go through a painless death like the author states). Humans treat their "prey" worse than any animals, afaic. Also, the author is an idiot: if (s)he had taken Grade 6 Biology (s)he would know that viruses are not living. If (s)he tried to argue on the behalf of bacteria, I would understand. :/ The author also seems to target certain people in the article who's beliefs are not neccessarily similar to vegetarians. Perhaps if they would give a little background information to these other authors and some statistics providing an example of their popularity? Quote: And yes, meat eaters should stop feeling guilty about their diet, while veggies - vegans especially - could stop being so bloody self-righteous. Was this article written to try to get a rise out of some vegetarians and vegans? The one thing of which the author said that I agree with was that meat eaters should not feel guilty. If they choose meat, then they should be proud-- just as a vegetarian/vegan should be proud. There are benefits to eating meat-- but I have yet to see a powerful arguement that tells me that meat-eating is healthier than vegetarianism-- one that uses statistics and less of its own exaggerations. |
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| Author: | Yaragorm [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Boy, you sure know how to take an argument, rip it into shreds, and devour the remains. You should join the debate team. |
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| Author: | Tinker [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yaragorm, stop shitting up the thread or you're out for a week or so. |
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| Author: | Louise [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Be quiet Yaragorm D= Femme Fatale wrote: If they choose meat, then they should be proud-- just as a vegetarian/vegan should be proud. I don't think people should necessarily be "proud" of what they eat, meat or no meat. It's just a lifestyle. I'd never go "I'm proud to be a vegetarian" because it's not really that big a deal to be honest.. but meh, lol I'm rambling bollocks again. Oh and because a few veggies are a bit insane, people who are anti-vegetarian use them as an excuse to be all high and mighty and say that vegetarianism is wrong and we're all crazy. I've said it before but I could not give a fuck what other people eat so whenever someone tells me that being a vegetarian is wrong, they just get ignored until they shut up. |
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| Author: | justis76 [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Yeah, saying vegetarians are anorexic is just stupid. Being a vegetarian is a much healthier and enviro-friendly way of life, and a vegetarian can get all of the proteins meat provides from greener alternatives, so to say that it's unhealthy is bull. I applaud those that are vegetarians, I suppose, since I know I sue as hell can't do it. |
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| Author: | nekonohime [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
I guess I'm 'semi' vegetarian; In other words, the only meat I usually eat is poultry, seafood and dairy products. I can't stand beef and pork. |
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| Author: | Floran [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
justis76 wrote: Yeah, saying vegetarians are anorexic is just stupid. Being a vegetarian is a much healthier and enviro-friendly way of life, and a vegetarian can get all of the proteins meat provides from greener alternatives, so to say that it's unhealthy is bull. I applaud those that are vegetarians, I suppose, since I know I sue as hell can't do it. Agreed, I think I couldn't even be a vegetarian for one week if I had to. You'll really have to look which nutrients there's in your food, since vegetarian food doesn't contain all nutrients, iirc (I haven't read this whole thread, so this will probably already have been pointed out...) you will lack several needed vitamins, I guess you'll have to get those extra. It does offers a much healthier life, but it also requires you to check what you eat, etc. |
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| Author: | Catgrenade [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Floran wrote: justis76 wrote: Yeah, saying vegetarians are anorexic is just stupid. Being a vegetarian is a much healthier and enviro-friendly way of life, and a vegetarian can get all of the proteins meat provides from greener alternatives, so to say that it's unhealthy is bull. I applaud those that are vegetarians, I suppose, since I know I sue as hell can't do it. Agreed, I think I couldn't even be a vegetarian for one week if I had to. You'll really have to look which nutrients there's in your food, since vegetarian food doesn't contain all nutrients, iirc (I haven't read this whole thread, so this will probably already have been pointed out...) you will lack several needed vitamins, I guess you'll have to get those extra. It does offers a much healthier life, but it also requires you to check what you eat, etc. Meat doesn't contain all nutrients either, you have to look just as hard if you eat meat. |
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| Author: | Femme Fatale [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
loobywright wrote: Femme Fatale wrote: If they choose meat, then they should be proud-- just as a vegetarian/vegan should be proud. I don't think people should necessarily be "proud" of what they eat, meat or no meat. It's just a lifestyle. I'd never go "I'm proud to be a vegetarian" because it's not really that big a deal to be honest.. but meh, lol I'm rambling bollocks again. By proud I mean not ashamed heh. I guess it wasn't the correct word. :P I'm just saying that meat-eaters shouldn't be ashamed about not being vegetarian. Just as vegetarians shouldn't be forced to be grouped in the same category with those insane vegetarians/vegans. No one should ever be like "ugh, you're a vegetarian?" just because of those radicals. i'd probably join the debate team if I could write down or draw what I mean haha, because I can be painfully shy if I'm among people I don't know. |
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| Author: | silentxfilmstar [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Veganism/Vegetarianism |
Catgrenade wrote: Floran wrote: Agreed, I think I couldn't even be a vegetarian for one week if I had to. You'll really have to look which nutrients there's in your food, since vegetarian food doesn't contain all nutrients, iirc (I haven't read this whole thread, so this will probably already have been pointed out...) you will lack several needed vitamins, I guess you'll have to get those extra. It does offers a much healthier life, but it also requires you to check what you eat, etc. Meat doesn't contain all nutrients either, you have to look just as hard if you eat meat. Exactly. Eating too much red meat is really bad for your body. I think that if you're health conscious, vegetarianism can be really healthy. As long as you find good alternatives to the essentials your body needs, I think you're good to go. Femme Fatale wrote: i'd probably join the debate team if I could write down or draw what I mean haha, because I can be painfully shy if I'm among people I don't know. Hehe me too. I always debate with my family members, but doing so in public?? Hell no!! I stammer and stutter like crazy if I have to speak in front of a bunch of people, but I can get my ideas out on paper much easier. |
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