The Japanese language thread
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I myself am majoring / majored in Japanese studies, so language courses were just part of my study. Been studying for almost six years now, and relatively high leveled in Japanese (i.e. I can take university level courses in Japanese w/o too much trouble), but still learning new things everyday.
My tip: read. Read a lot. READ A LOT.
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Eventually migrated to playing videogames in Japanese. First game I played in Japanese was Tokimeki Memorial for the Super Nintendo and I hadn't even started learning there, so I was completely lost. I was sort of aware what was going on, but not idea what meant what I was doing or saying or what the girls' names are. Thank god TokiMemo mostly does Subjects-represented-by-Icons things.
Playing full on in Japanese is pretty helpful in learning. Mostly I go with games that have voice acting in it. Sometimes I start playing a game in English or German, but eventually import the Japanese version and compare it to the localized version. I notice how things got changed or make connections, sometimes even translating myself how something would have been a bit more literal and close to say.
Dating Sims like TokiMemo are pretty good for learning Japanese... at least, I think the Girl's Side ones I've played. They have voice acting, so majority of the scenes are voice acted and make it easier for me to understand what's going on. They lack furigana, though, so I'm still not entirely sure what a dating place is called but I know when I see the kanji.
Playing undubbed games, Japanese voices with English text, is also a very good way to learn. It's easier as you read something in a language you know, while hearing it said in one you don't know that well. Since I basically started translating in my head everything that's being said, I sometimes notice how the localized version changed things - sometimes they add a lot more swearing into it that was never there to begin with, only an extremely rude way of talking. Or they changed the meaning around entirely...
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With games, it might be hard for some people who don't know enough kanji yet. For those who especially want to play GS in Japanese, I recommend the Detective Conan games; as they are intended for children these games actually usually include furigana, but also include the neccessary mystery-lingo you need anyway for GS.
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But, I suppose fiddling around with manga raws did help with the majority of my studies. Shortly, I became a temp translator on a manga forum site when one of its primary translators left for an unknown reason. Of course, translating several pages of text (and this was manga, for crying out loud) was a slow and tedious process, but I learned as I went and gradually became slightly more efficient. Unfortunately, my parents kept discouraging me from these sorts of studies, so combined with a year-and-half hiatus from real life business, it's already been what? 3 years-ish.
I don't remember when I shifted over to video games as a study source, but it was during a phase of fanatic fantasy. *ahem* I was reminiscing over some Final Fantasy games, and curiosity simply struck me. Then again, I didn't get very far with the text before I gave up on the effort.
It wasn't until I got into Ace Attorney that I took studying text seriously. This was my first experience with visual-novel-like games, and I'd spend hours pouring over the dialogue as I played. It turned the whole gaming experience into frustrating work, but in the end, the payoff was satisfying. Before I knew it, I found myself being able to understand most of what I was reading - with the help of a kanji dictionary on hand, of course. GK2 was the first Japanese game I completed without an English version as reference (since it didn't have one and I was forced to sit through hours of study).
Overall, I can't claim my methods as efficient or focused in the least, and had I taken actual courses, the entire process would have passed by much more quickly. (But the thought of having to explain to my parents why I'm taking Japanese courses as opposed to Chinese is simply too bothersome) Nonetheless, I could grasp the language basics in a relatively short amount of time. Plus, I had the passion for translating, so the pain and suffering wasn't as bad as I'd formerly expected.
Now, I wonder what I should do with all this effort toward a foreign language as I struggle through my college years...
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(But the thought of having to explain to my parents why I'm taking Japanese courses as opposed to Chinese is simply too bothersome)
I can't help but wonder why they'd be mad that you study a language that got its kanji from the chinese system instead of the system itself? I think Japanese is easier, actually. With chinese there's mandarin and catonese and other accents.
Yes, Japan has accents as well, I know... but aside from Osaka, I didn't notice too much of a difference.
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Any one trying for JLPT?
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But the thought of having to explain to my parents why I'm taking Japanese courses as opposed to Chinese is simply too bothersome) Nonetheless, I could grasp the language basics in a relatively short amount of time.
If it's any comfort, I'm a Chinese (Dutch) majoring in Japanese. Heck, I speak better Japanese than Cantonese =_= I can't even read Chinese.
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Yes, Japan has accents as well, I know... but aside from Osaka, I didn't notice too much of a difference
Dialect =/= accent. Though it's sorta strange to talk about dialects and 'standard' language, given that until the Meiji period, there was no standard Japanese and that what we call Standard Japanese / Tokyo dialect, is in fact an artificial 'standard language' based on Touhoku dialects, made by fiction writers ^_~'
Depending on where you are, dialects can be quite different. I.e. そげなことばしっとー = そんな事を知っている (Hakata-ben). The problem is that on major TV, you will mostly hear SJ or Osaka-ben (you probably won't even hear a lot of the other dialects of the Kansai-area, like Kyoto-ben). Aaaaand, if you watch Trick or something like that, a lot of faux Touhoku dialects. You won't hear a lot of the dialects of Kyushu for example. Unless you're watching Ryoumaden. Or Yanni Yogi in the GS movie.
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(But the thought of having to explain to my parents why I'm taking Japanese courses as opposed to Chinese is simply too bothersome)
I can't help but wonder why they'd be mad that you study a language that got its kanji from the chinese system instead of the system itself? I think Japanese is easier, actually. With chinese there's mandarin and catonese and other accents.
Yes, Japan has accents as well, I know... but aside from Osaka, I didn't notice too much of a difference.
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It's not so much about the language itself than the political views that influence people's impressions, sadly. If it was just personal preference on their parts, I wouldn't have cared as much. Although my parents dislike talk of politics, it's something that inevitably lands into their conversations one way or another, mainly because they keep up with the news all the time. (On the bright side, at least I don't have to bother with the BS that Fox News spills every day.)
Japanese is easier to learn than Chinese in general, without getting into detailed literary works. It's not so much the dialects or accents to worry about; it's just the monstrosity of the entire language. I still often mix up terms, regardless of whether I have the context or not. Fortunately, when it comes to recognizing characters, it's not as much of a hassle... until I have to recall which is the exact connotation behind a phrase. Then everything goes to heck.
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If it's any comfort, I'm a Chinese (Dutch) majoring in Japanese. Heck, I speak better Japanese than Cantonese =_= I can't even read Chinese.
You're Dutch? Wow, I'm used to hearing from Chinese folks in the Americas or Southeast Asia. I'm American, with folks from Taiwan and grandfolks from Sichuan and Fujian, but we primarily speak Mandarin.
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Depending on where you are, dialects can be quite different. I.e. そげなことばしっとー = そんな事を知っている (Hakata-ben). The problem is that on major TV, you will mostly hear SJ or Osaka-ben (you probably won't even hear a lot of the other dialects of the Kansai-area, like Kyoto-ben). Aaaaand, if you watch Trick or something like that, a lot of faux Touhoku dialects. You won't hear a lot of the dialects of Kyushu for example. Unless you're watching Ryoumaden. Or Yanni Yogi in the GS movie.
Hm, so that's why their Yanni Yogi sounded a bit different. I thought it was just my ears playing tricks on me. He now has bonus points in my book for having a different dialect.
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I also wrote down each kanji I learnt on cards, and now I'm learning Japanese fully, I've found that very useful. I wrote any information I learnt about the kanji too, like the JLPT level, the radicals used, the stroke order, etc. I have a giant box of them now. XP
I watch anime and J-drama, which I do find useful. I listen to Japanese music too. Translating a game is also worth doing, particularly if it's a VN.
For kana and kanji, I used the 'Let's Learn' series. They were quite expensive, but the kanji book in particular was brilliant.
As for what I'm using for learning the spoken language, it's a book called 'Teach Yourself Japanese'. I think this book is amazing, it's written in an easy way to understand, and it teaches the structures of sentences rather than just set phrases. It's a very good book for anyone wanting to study Japanese seriously.
I think Japanese is a really brilliant language to learn. It's so fulfilling to see written Japanese and actually be able to understand it. ^_^
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
You're Dutch? Wow, I'm used to hearing from Chinese folks in the Americas or Southeast Asia.
Yeah, I am sort-a-rare ^^' People never seem to be able to guess where I'm from...
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Hm, so that's why their Yanni Yogi sounded a bit different. I thought it was just my ears playing tricks on me. He now has bonus points in my book for having a different dialect.
IIRCC, it was the actor's native tongue. I have studied in Kyushu, so I was pleasantly surprised when he suddenly changed speech patterns ^_~
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I started learning Japanese when I found out GK2 wasn't going to be localised. I hardly knew anything about Japanese, but I bought the game anyway. I started off just searching for each kanji I saw in game, using a kanji dictionary I found on the app store. It was called Kotoba at the time, but I believe it's Imawa now. I think this app is really brilliant if you're learning Japanese or doing a translation. https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/imiwa-japanese-dictionary/id288499125?mt=8
Imawa is a great app! Especially for those who aren't used to looking up by radicals, as you can just write down the kanji.
Imawa is a great app! Especially for those who aren't used to looking up by radicals, as you can just write down the kanji.
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For kana and kanji, I used the 'Let's Learn' series. They were quite expensive, but the kanji book in particular was brilliant
Some great kanji books (IMHO):
- A Guide to Remembering the Kanji (Henshall). Great at the lower levels IMHO. No, they don't teach you how write each kanji through stroke order, but that would be useless, because you can just learn the rules. Instead, this book focuses on radicals and etymology, giving you mnemonics that explain the word through radicals.
- Intermediate Kanji Book (Bonjinsha). Great exercises in actual use of kanji compounds. You learn kanji in relation to each other (opposites, pairs, words with similar, but distinct meanings.
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I really love Japanese and I hope to become a translator someday. It's going to be hard, but I think I can make it if I try.
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At my university, we used the Minna no Nihongo series for the first year, like practically all of the rest of the world (I swear, everybody knows Mike Miller!).
I use Minna no Nihongo too! RN I'm up to L38 in 初級II. The accompanying awkward videos are truly a gem.
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With games, it might be hard for some people who don't know enough kanji yet. For those who especially want to play GS in Japanese, I recommend the Detective Conan games; as they are intended for children these games actually usually include furigana, but also include the neccessary mystery-lingo you need anyway for GS.
Thanks for the recommendation! I was able to get through the first case of GS1 and The demo of GS5 thanks to Imiwa, so I think I might give this a shot. I've been planning to import GK2, but I might wait a bit and until I improve a bit more.
Has anyone played Famicon Tantei Club? What level do you think you need to be at to play it?
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Ah, translator. I also hope to do something in that direction, but it's actually quite hard to find something there >_<
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Q: Who was the student who went missing years ago?
Ayumi
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> Ayumi <
Ayumi: WHAT!? I'm right here!
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Ayumi: No. She's been murdered, and recently.
> Shinobu <
*Game progresses*
That situation would repeat itself every single time. It really made me appreciate through localization. Sufficed to say, I didn't rank very high in the dating sim aspect of the game at the end.
Frankly I envy you folks that are driven and able to learn multiple languages. It's a wonderful skill and lets you appreciate much more material then is available in any one language.
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aaaanyway, getting back on the topic of, I'm thinking about taking the JLPT, right now I'm at N4 level. I tried doing some of the sample questions, and found them to be fairly simple
I just need to remember to revise, revise revise! Has anyone here taken it/thinking about taking it?
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And taking this opportunity to post awesome Jinguuji music. Yume no Owari ni's Emotion and Silent Shadow II are fantastic!
I passed N1 three years ago (actually the very first N-test, it was introduced that year). It was my third year of studying Japanese, but I had spent my third year in Japan, so I didn't have to study especially hard for the test: just made sure I knew the grammar (which you'll rarely see outside a N1 exam...), and went through some vocab lists.
I have to say though, I don't see the necessity of taking any JLPT test other than N1 though. The materials / knowing at what approx. level you are is of course very useful (so definitely use them), but for a resume or anything, anything less than N1 seems not to be of any use (and the test isn't cheap).
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One could also take a look at lists of police slang (like here: http://sumim.no-ip.com/wiki/1167); that's a whole world on itself and quite interesting (though in 'normal' life and television, you'll only hear the most common of them like hoshi, kuro/shiro and such).
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Has anyone else here learnt keigo? I hear people say that's it's hard, but I don't find it that difficult... maybe it's harder to use it in practice. Either that or I'm not up to the hard parts yet (I've done L49 and bit of L50 of MNN )
)For me, the hardest part of keigo is remembering which is the honorific form and which is the humble form. You do NOT want to get those mixed up >.<
Making sure to keep the "proper level" of keigo and not "overuse" it is also pretty tough.
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TheBaronAndEma wrote:
Has anyone else here learnt keigo? I hear people say that's it's hard, but I don't find it that difficult... maybe it's harder to use it in practice. Either that or I'm not up to the hard parts yet (I've done L49 and bit of L50 of MNN )
)I would like to use keigo all the time... but I'm not too good at remembering what exactly is the proper use... is it arimasu? Or simply masu? De gozaimasu? I think I need to make a table with them and arrows pointing to what can or should be used where...
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gozaru is a more polite version of aru (and de gozaru is a more polite form of de aru). So if the neutral vorm is 質問があるか, then a more polite version would be ご質問ございますか, while ここにある would be こちらにございます. (And masu is just the standard, definitely safe polite form).
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I've started to get used to using relative clause now in Japanese, but I still get confused with particles like when to use に and when to use で, I get them mixed around a little. Also, our school only teaches grammar, so I'm trying to learn words outside of school to extend my knowledge.
I'm not sure if people have heard of the books I've used to study (Seeing as they're written in Australia). I've been using 高校生活 Book 1 and 2. They're only basic grammar, no real culture/specifics are taught. I tried to self teach myself keigo, but only things like します -> なさいます and giving and receiving ( くれます -> くださいます ) Also, we're only taught polite form です ます, and so i'm still trying to learn plain form (plain form makes using a dictionary so much easier!).
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SuperAj3 wrote:
I'm not sure if people have heard of the books I've used to study (Seeing as they're written in Australia). I've been using 高校生活 Book 1 and 2. They're only basic grammar, no real culture/specifics are taught. I tried to self teach myself keigo, but only things like します -> なさいます and giving and receiving ( くれます -> くださいます ) Also, we're only taught polite form です ます, and so i'm still trying to learn plain form (plain form makes using a dictionary so much easier!).
When I was in high school I used a book called "Wakkata!" which I found quite good. I did some googling and found pretty much the whole book (some pages are missing) on Google Books. Check it out if you want
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(Just... stay away from the drama version. Please).
Too late, I watched it when it first aired a few years ago
It wasn't too bad (especially if you are using it primarily as a learning tool), but it did get pretty ridiculous in some parts. Episode 5 for example... ugh.
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Ash wrote:
Oh, I love the 日本人の知らない日本語 / Nihonjin no Shiranai Nihongo essay-comic series by the way.
Oh wow, my school library actually has this. (The first book, at least.) I'm going to see if I can get my hands on it tonight!
EDIT: Failure ;-; But I sent in a trace request, so I should get it eventually, as long as it hasn't been devoured by the bowels of the library
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I'm functionally fluent in Spanish, and I always hear that it's easier to pick up more languages once you have a second, so maybe I'll try to teach myself some more Japanese eventually. (I realize Japanese is quite a different beast from Spanish.) To do that, though, I'd definitely need some textbooks or something of the like. I'd love to take classes too, but I'm in grad school at the moment and don't really have the free time or funds to do that. One day...
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emimprov wrote:
During my senior year of college, I interviewed for the JET program (spoilers: I didn't get in). Japanese knowledge wasn't a prerequisite, but I thought teaching myself some basics couldn't hurt. And by basics, I mean the most basic of the basic...I had like a sheet of simple words and phrases I bought at Borders that I would just look at every night and try to commit to memory. It also had a hiragana/katakana chart that I managed to memorize pretty well. (I actually started testing my memory of the symbols I knew by watching dowolf's translated playthrough of AAI2 on YouTube - I'd pause the video at times, try to read part of the Japanese text, and then see if I got any of the words correct in the English translation above.) That said, I know little to nothing about grammar, and I can't really read anything that's not a simple interjection. I just don't have the vocabulary.
Yeah, I've heard that the JET program technically doesn't have a Japanese language prerequisite, but since it's so much more popular than when it first started and so many more people that know Japanese now apply, it's really really hard to get in if you have no Japanese knowledge.
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emimprov wrote:
During my senior year of college, I interviewed for the JET program (spoilers: I didn't get in). Japanese knowledge wasn't a prerequisite, but I thought teaching myself some basics couldn't hurt. And by basics, I mean the most basic of the basic...I had like a sheet of simple words and phrases I bought at Borders that I would just look at every night and try to commit to memory. It also had a hiragana/katakana chart that I managed to memorize pretty well. (I actually started testing my memory of the symbols I knew by watching dowolf's translated playthrough of AAI2 on YouTube - I'd pause the video at times, try to read part of the Japanese text, and then see if I got any of the words correct in the English translation above.) That said, I know little to nothing about grammar, and I can't really read anything that's not a simple interjection. I just don't have the vocabulary.
Yeah, I've heard that the JET program technically doesn't have a Japanese language prerequisite, but since it's so much more popular than when it first started and so many more people that know Japanese now apply, it's really really hard to get in if you have no Japanese knowledge.
Yup, I learned that the hard way...the professor whole told me to apply for the JET program (knowing I didn't have any Japanese knowledge) had gotten in 25 years ago or so when it wasn't as popular. And he of course didn't know any Japanese either. Nowadays, though, they are probably using each applicant's level of Japanese knowledge (or lack thereof) to thin the applicant pool a bit, so to speak. I thought I was a shoe-in when I got to the interview stage (going off of what I'd read from other applicants), but...nope. Of course, it's also entirely possible that I just botched the interview, and it didn't really have as much to do with my lack of Japanese knowledge to begin with. I guess I'll never know for sure.
I remember thinking it weird that they asked me about any anime or movies I had watched (I distinctly remember Miyazaki coming up once, at least). At first I thought that was kind of dumb, but in retrospect I'm sure it was a good way to probe whether the applicants had interest in or knowledge of Japanese culture, on the surface at least.
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TheBaronAndEma wrote:
When I was in high school I used a book called "Wakkata!" which I found quite good. I did some googling and found pretty much the whole book (some pages are missing) on Google Books. Check it out if you want
*sigh* Every time I see the words "Naruhodo Corner", I imagine Naruhodo-kun teaching Japanese.
Thinking about it, if there is such an educational blog featuring GS characters teaching Japanese, it'd probably
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And of course, GS is an excellent way to learn about role language. The first book by Kinsui + GS is great for those who want to learn more about the fabulous world of speech patterns in fiction
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Ash wrote:
I have a book where GS characters teach you about the Japanese jury system... ^_~'
And of course, GS is an excellent way to learn about role language. The first book by Kinsui + GS is great for those who want to learn more about the fabulous world of speech patterns in fiction
And of course, GS is an excellent way to learn about role language. The first book by Kinsui + GS is great for those who want to learn more about the fabulous world of speech patterns in fiction
What are the titles of those books? Imma search for 'em!
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『ヴァーチャル日本語 役割語の謎』 (金水 敏) 岩波書店 2003. The must-read introductionary work if you want to learn about role language. It offers insights in the concept, and chapters on how genuine speech patterns, evolved into role languages like male speech, female speech, old men speech (and Kansai-dialect as role language). Universities which offer Japanese, and in particular Japanese (socio-)linguistics might have it in their library (I know our university library didn't begin to purchase his books until after I had written my thesis and started a small role language boom among Japanese linguisticians in the following years...) (note that this is an academic work; not sure if you're used to Japanese academic writings).
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Thinking about it, if there is such an educational blog featuring GS characters teaching Japanese, it'd probably rather, definitely be popular. I have yet to find anything like it...
Let's be honest, it would be a dream come true
Ash wrote:
『逆転法廷-裁判員攻略読本』 (中嶋 博行) 講談社 2009. The first half is a short story where Naruhodo participates in a jury trial. The second half is an easy-to-understand introduction to the workings of the jury system.
I'd love to see a copy of this, if only my Japanese was better (and this book were not so darn hard to find...)
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Ash wrote:
『ヴァーチャル日本語 役割語の謎』 (金水 敏) 岩波書店 2003. The must-read introductionary work if you want to learn about role language. It offers insights in the concept, and chapters on how genuine speech patterns, evolved into role languages like male speech, female speech, old men speech (and Kansai-dialect as role language). Universities which offer Japanese, and in particular Japanese (socio-)linguistics might have it in their library (I know our university library didn't begin to purchase his books until after I had written my thesis and started a small role language boom among Japanese linguisticians in the following years...) (note that this is an academic work; not sure if you're used to Japanese academic writings).
Oh, we actually have this...!
Of course, I'm not actually interested in reading it
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dangerousoffender wrote:
Trying to learn japanese? Wow... that's... brave.
I started learning how to read hiragana and katakana over the summer, but only memorized a few characters. With all my studies, it's been a long time since I've looked at my iOS Japanese apps. I should get back to it when I have the time, but when you're a high school junior like me; it's the busiest time out of the four years.
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With learning kanji, I'd recommend trying to correspond it with what speaking Japanese you're learning. When I was doing adjectives, I learnt kanji like, 大 and 小.
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Mirii-chan wrote:
I find listening to Japanese music really helpful as well. You can pick up some obscurer words, and it's re-enforced over and over in your mind each time you listen.
Definitely helpful. I also started playing Japanese games some years ago - which is also really helpful in learning things. Okay, I played TokiMemo on the Super Nintendo at a time where I had no clue about any Japanese writing. I think I still got the overall gist of the game, not about the characters, and managed to get some of the girls' confessions.
Now that I understand Japanese somewhat, I can play other TokiMemo or other Japanese games and understand what's going on. Still some things I'm not entirely sure about in the games, but overall I get about 70-80% of what's going on.
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