As gamers, we all have our different opinions on games, and there are some games that we like that other people seem to hate for whatever reason. This is the thread for talking about that subject.

Personally, I really enjoyed Star Fox Adventures, as I found it to be a pretty fun Zelda-ish spinoff, although I admit the finale was a little weak.

I also enjoyed Super Paper Mario. It had a great story, fun gameplay, and a colorful cast of characters, which is more than I can say for the disappointment that is sticker star.

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I love playing Final Fantasy XIII.
The characters were portrayed realistically, with pretty realistic problems that a player could relate to, making it easier to identify with, and feel for, them. Well, almost every protagonist was relateable... I couldn't fully relate to Snow. His problem was relateable, his action and behavior wasn't to me.
I love the battle system. It makes me switch around things, makes me use my head and try to be a step ahead of the enemy, otherwise I'd get nearly killed, compared to previous Final Fantasy games, where I basically could just grind my way to be overpowered or simply mash the A button on Attack to win battles.
The music is beautiful. Not the Leona Lewis one, I mean the Japanese ending song. The location music was fitting and subtle, not the kind that stops when I suddenly enter battle and then starts up again, over and over, when I finish the battle.
The story seems like a typical Defy Your Fate one, and the story doesn't seem that original and I can't say I was expecting a very original one. But I like that in XIII, it feels to me like the ending is actually them not defying their fate and doing what their Focus told them to do.

I love Skyward Sword.
The villain, Ghirahim, is absolutely amazing. He is my favorite villain created in the Zelda series so far and just great, he's threatening, yet goofy and has a bloodlust and creepy obsession with Link that I just enjoy watching. Also his constant switching between calm and insane was great. Sadly, Demise was a disappointment to me.
The music was on the subtle side, but still had tracks that are very memorable. Ghirahim's theme and Fi's farewell stay in the head for hours. Although there were parts where I like to mute the TV cause I dislike the tracks.
I like Fi. I know people say she pops up a ton, but I just don't notice it or am just really good at ignoring her, later on. I can play Zelda for a while and ignore the beeping heart meter.
The dungeon design is amazing, I could spend hours in them and just look at them.
The story is meh, but then, I never expected a good or thought-out story for a Zelda game, anyway.

The top two games I can think of that I like and other people just seem to hate.

C-A

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I thought the game was great myself. I agree with you on the ending though. The reveal of Andross as the final boss just seemed a little out of nowhere, but I guess that's because the game was sort of changed to a Star Fox game at the last minute. I believe General Scales was originally intended to be the final boss, but when the game went from being Dinosaur Planet to Star Fox Adventures, I guess they threw in Andross as the final boss to give it more of a 'Star Fox feel'. I hate when games throw in "surprise" final bosses with little-to-no build up whatsoever (i.e. Ganondorf in Twilight Princess)



Another great game. The story for this one was just fantastic, and I really liked the platforming with RPG elements. Plus, you get to play as Bowser. 'Nuff said.


Also, I was unaware that Skyward Sword got a lot of hate. I know many people were slightly disappointed with the game (myself included) after the way it was hyped up by gaming publications, but I haven't really met anyone who said they flat out hated the game. The main thing that really disappointed me about the game was how linear it was and the lack of exploration, but that's been a growing trend for Zelda games since Phantom Hourglass. Every Zelda game nowadays seems to be...travel to new location, help location's inhabitants, enter dungeon, receive dungeon item, defeat boss with said item, return to hub world, rinse, repeat. As someone who's been playing Zelda games since the SNES days, I really find myself yearning for the old days where, even though you needed certain items to traverse the map, you still had a sense of freedom that the newer games really lack. Really hoping A Link Between Worlds changes things up a bit. Rant over.

If anything, Twilight Princess seems to get most of the hate from Zelda fans.

I liked Paper Mario: Sticker Star. Still returned the game, it wasn't what I was looking for, but if I wanted to have a gateway game into RPG's, this might be it. Overall, the RPG parts felt a bit basic, and the adventure parts had answers that felt a little out-there, and the entire game felt very stripped-down: great for newcomers, still nowhere near the PM:TTYD sequel we're all looking for. And no, I don't count Super Paper Mario, even though it's a good game.

I liked Phantom Hourglass, but beating it once was enough for me. Which is strange, as I usually play Zelda games over again at some point.

I liked Silent Hill 3. It gets a lot of hate (when you remove Homecoming and Downpour from the discussion), and to be honest? Silent Hill 2 was a TOUGH act to follow. But despite the bad lighting, I love this game, and it's my favorite Silent Hill game. And before everyone gets up in arms, it's not the best in my opinion, for me it goes (of the one's I've played):
- Silent Hill 2
- Silent Hill 3
- Silent Hill 4 (lower than the others due to the second half of the game being mostly escort mission with AI that makes Sheva's AI look brilliant)
- Silent Hill 1 (lower than the others because I find it counter-productive to base endings off of completion time for such an atmospheric title)
- Silent Hill Downpour (lower than the others because everything in the story felt re-hashed, though it's much closer to the original games than Homecoming, and the loss of inventory comes without any warning, and for some reason this game really tries to replicate Silent Hill 2)
- Silent Hill Homecoming (because while it changed, I felt a lot of the risks in the gameplay made sense with the storyline, despite Homecoming and Downpour hopelessly trying to replicate the success of 2, even more shamelessly than Downpour)
- Silent Hill: Shattered Memories (The controls and lack of pause while LOOKING AT THE MAP I NEED TO LEAVE made it impossible for me to play)

I also liked the Legend of Legaia sequel that many in the (albeit modest) fandom tends to dislike. In many respects, the Dual Saga is better and worse, fixing things that were troublesome in the first game, and creating whole new problems the first one didn't have.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced and its sequel. I haven't played the first game, but many allegations against the other games is that they are (to put it more articulately), saccharine and void of substance. I always find that when more cartoony visuals are used, people instantly go "TOO KIDDIE WILL NOT PLAY FOR I AM AN ADULT WHO PLAYS ADULT GAMES!", and it pangs of immaturity (as apparently one can't be adult without constant maudlin story arcs and only three colors for their games: brown, grey, and muzzle flash/sword sparks). I'll also be the first one to say that the plot isn't too strong in FFTA2 (not to mention the law system can be annoying, especially with the victim-blaming system in FFTA2), but the plot in FFTA was still decent, handled seriously, and managed to pull off moral ambiguity without constantly hitting you in the face with LOOK WE'RE SO CLEVER BY MAKING THE BAD GUY HAVE A GOOD MOTIVE AND MAKING THE GOOD GUYS SLIGHTLY MORALLY AMBIGUOUS BY BEING SUPER SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE ~TORTURED SOULS~". But most of all, I like the gameplay. I am a huge sucker for a job/classed based tactics game where I have a good amount of customization of my party.

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You need to go to the GameFAQs board for Skyward then. People are repeatedly stating how much they hate the game, how huge of a disappointment it is and it didn't live up to their expectations - although I think the way they sound, they set their expectations just too high, it didn't promise what they wanted, they think the controls suck - although I gladly point out that they work just fine for me, etc, etc, etc.

I can understand them saying they think it fails as an Origin Story but... I think if you look at Skyward as an Origin Story, it's your own fault. It fails at delivering a full Origin Story on everything, but it gave us the Origin of what was promised: the origin of the Master Sword and why Link, Zelda and someone else are always reborn and fighting.

I played Skyward without expecting them to give me a huge story. Because Zelda games just don't have a huge story. And playing the game as a game itself makes it enjoyable. I don't need to nitpick that it didn't deliver an all-round Origin Story because I don't feel it needs to.

And nothing against the old Zelda games, I'm currently replaying Link to the Past and am at the 2nd Dark World dungeon, but I do feel a bit... unsatisfied that I don't seem to have any real direction. The dungeons are numbered and all, but I can still go wherever I may want to go and then I find out, heck, I'm not supposed to be there yet - either by monsters killing me or by getting stuck somewhere.

C-A

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I never knew people hated skyward sword, either. I loved the game as well, and I'd even go so far as to call it my favorite Zelda game, even better than Ocarina Of Time, and this is coming from a guy who grew up with Ocarina Of Time.

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Same here. I grew up with Ocarina as well, but I still think Skyward is better. It's my favorite Zelda game, alongside Twilight Princess.

C-A

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Wait, I always thought that Silent Hill 4 was the most hated SH game

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I loved Resident Evil 4. Yes, the game is full of clichés, but Resident Evil 3 has a worse plot and I can't understand why everybody praises the game so much. RE3 = The girl getting the hell out of the town with the guy.
At least RE4 was innovative in terms of playability and graphics.

RE4 is hated!? Then again, I can't really talk. I only know RE4 by watching a spoofy video-playthrough labelled Days Of Our Lives and love the jokes they make. Especially like Ada, she's just... hot! Even if she's... like, a zombie?

C-A

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Yes, it is, not exactly hated by the critics but by the "old-school survival horror" gamer. They complain a lot about how RE4 sucks as a survival horror and it's "just a shooter for high school newbie kids". I'm a regular in RE forums and I see a lot of "new fans x old fans" debates. People who label themselves as "real/old fans" annoy me a lot...

Yeah, love Ada, she's pure girlpower. But, a zombie? How so?

Nah, Ada isn't infected. or at least, I'm not aware of it.

RE4 is hated and heralded as the "end of survival horror" due to the change-up in mechanics. The change from the tank-format controls and a loss of some of the puzzles for more action sequences. Granted, most people forget that the majority of puzzles were actually quite easy to solve in the first three games (though the shotgun/fake shotgun is a bit of a "guide dang it" moment). Still, people ignored the retention of the limited inventory, healing items, and that the money system prevented most of the abuse. It was still fairly "survival", given the over-the-top nature of the Resident Evil series as it already stood.

But all people saw were the over-the-shoulder camera, the timed-action sequences, and the elements that broke suspension of disbelief here, while it didn't in the several Resident Evil games.

Sorta like Wind Waker. All people saw was the cel-shading, and suddenly the Zelda series (which has been a rated E series) is "too kiddy". Even if elements of the game were rather dark (not as dark as Majora's Mask, but still). I mean, it ends with Ganondorf getting a splitting headache, and the entirety of Hyrule being flooded. Again. Though the ending was a bit lawyer-y for my tastes (you have to TOUCH the Triforce for your wish), it was still rather grim. And then Link is stuck on the moon, waiting for Roll, Barrell, and the Bonnes to finish making the rocket. They do so, and Link continues his digging career with Tetra, fending off Reaverbots in search of refractors.

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I dunno. As I said, I only know what I hear from the Days of Our Lives spoof. Ada and Wesker were having a talk and he said that he, like, resurrected her and she knows he won't do that. "And why is that?" "Because... Zombie chicks are hot." "Mmh, you got a point"

I dunno about newbie kids... I watched a video that showed all the ways to die in RE4 and it did creep me out towards the end... so I dunno if that is really something for newbies to horror or even shooter games.



Actually, Hyrule was ALREADY flooded by the start of the game, so that technically doesn't count...

C-A

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Hence why I said "Again." =P

But then again, when Dr. Light used the dragonballs to wish for Hyrule to get flooded again, and then Mega Man Juno tries to destroy the entire island. It's at that time that they get on the talking jet ski, and then Tetra asks Link if he wants to go for some overtime. Link is all "nah, baby, I got stuff to do". And then they fly the jet ski into the sky, a faint sound of a key scraping piano chords wafting through the air as they travel through time to stop Lavos.

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Did you just combine 5 different games?!

Anyway, I really liked Sonic Unleashed, and not just the daytime stages with normal Sonic. That's right, I actually LIKED the Werehog stages, I found them to be fun, as I love beating the crap out of the monsters in the game. Then again, I liked pretty much every Sonic game I've played except for secret rings, and this includes other panned games like Sonic Heroes, Shadow The Hedgehog, and Sonic and The Black Knight.

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Wait... You played Sonic '06... And liked it?

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Sonic 06 is one of the few Sonic games I haven't played, but from what I've seen of it, it seems to be glitchier than Superman 64.

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