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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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I've finished Tenmyouji and Clover's routes now.

Spoiler: Tenmyouji
Poor Junpei just can't catch a break, can he? I guess Uchikoshi wasn't kidding when he said he'd go looking for Akane to no luck. Quark's letter at the end was really sweet though, and a much earlier use of Blue Bird Lamentation than I'd anticipated.


Spoiler: Clover
It was neat to get updates on what happened to everyone after 999. I think the only person who hasn't been mentioned at all by now is Lotus, and her daughters were presumably recruited by Alice's organization.

Kind of sudden for everyone to get infected by Radical-6 (at least, I'm guessing that's what happened); hopefully another ending can shed some light on what happened there.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Tenmyouji's Ending did make me realize something, though...

For BP, or anyone else who has gotten the true ending.

Spoiler: End Game Spoilers
Okay, so you know how at the end Phi says that she is +α? I wonder if +α people are like super humans or something like the CURE people from the Infinity Series.

Because if that's the case, perhaps Quark is also +α since he mentions how as a kid he got into several accidents but was never injured.


Edit: Going through the secret files I found the new I.D.
Spoiler:
GRAPEDOLL was changed to JUMPYDOLL
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Saddest moment in the game:

Spoiler: massive spoilers
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I never cried so much during a video game. When I took the screenshot I was actually playing that end for the third time and I still had to fight back my tears (didn't work, I shed tears just from looking at this picture).


Alkolto wrote:
I've actually been obsessively stalking following the NeoGaF thread, which has been 99% people going 'how do you finish this puzzle?'. And then I saw...

Spoiler: Round 2 spoilers
someone who appeared as if they were on their first Round 2 puzzle, and they were talking about how they were having trouble with all of the different possible combinations in the nutrition puzzle. And then I just realized that their first decision was probably to Betray Luna.

Why people. Whyyyyy. She's so nice and adorable.


Spoiler:
I don't know how they could do this. I always trusted her and felt so bad every time, when I chose to betray her to get the other routes. :( Luna is such a great character, she tops my personal list way above the others.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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I've also been stalking that thread - strange no one is talking about VLR yet on the RSG forums.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Jesus christ, you people are fast.

Alkolto wrote:
Spoiler: End Game Spoilers
Okay, so you know how at the end Phi says that she is +α?

Spoiler:
Um, no .__.
Exactly at point in the True End did she say it? (Which point on the flow chart (since the true end involves quite a few xD) and what happened before/after it?)


Lusankya wrote:
Saddest moment in the game:

Spoiler: massive spoilers
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Spoiler: Luna's Route
So I got to the password screen, and nothing was changed and I still got through. But I saved before I entered it, and turned the game off before I progressed any further.

A part of me is kind of paranoid that something terrible will happen to the game if you go down that route early. But I might just play through it and not save just to be sure. Luna's Ending is worth playing through twice. Or I guess three times in my case.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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L~A wrote:
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In order to provide the best quality of distribution for Virtue's Last Reward the release dates are as follows:
UK and France release - 23rd November 2012
Germany and Italy release - 13th January 2013


Guess the rumours about the German release were true, and I'm glad to see they didn't include France in the 13th of January release (though it really sucks for German and Italian fans.... hope it really is in order to provide a translation, for their sake :yuusaku: ).


Now, just need to wait for Amazon to put the game up for pre-order. Come on, you can do it! :grossburg:


Does anybody know how things are in Austria? Most Austrian websites I've found so far say the game is released in November, including mediamarkt.at. Only Amazon.at states it's going to be released in January, but Amazon.at is essentially the same as Amazon.de, I believe. One website I found even says the game will be published on the 14th November... though that could be wrong.
But if it were the case, I could import it without any problems. Sadly, they don't seem to export to any countries other than Germany, but maybe that's a mistake on my part.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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The K Ending is really strange and depressing now that I know what I know.

Spoiler: Endgame Spoilers
(Or I guess, more strange and depressing)

K was telling Sigma the story of his father and 'mother', not realizing that Sigma was his father. But Sigma was listening to a story about him, not knowing his 'son' was telling a story about him. That's really... Sad.

Also, I noticed that MILKEVOLI backwards is ILOVEKLIM. ;-; Lunaaaaaaaa.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Alkolto wrote:
Spoiler: Luna's Route
So I got to the password screen, and nothing was changed and I still got through. But I saved before I entered it, and turned the game off before I progressed any further.

A part of me is kind of paranoid that something terrible will happen to the game if you go down that route early. But I might just play through it and not save just to be sure. Luna's Ending is worth playing through twice. Or I guess three times in my case.

Spoiler:
So did you go past the password screen c'mon you're supposed to? C'mon dude, lemme know xP


Alkolto wrote:
The K Ending is really strange and depressing now that I know what I know.

Spoiler: Endgame Spoilers
(Or I guess, more strange and depressing)

K was telling Sigma the story of his father and 'mother', not realizing that Sigma was his father. But Sigma was listening to a story about him, not knowing his 'son' was telling a story about him. That's really... Sad.

Also, I noticed that MILKEVOLI backwards is ILOVEKLIM. ;-; Lunaaaaaaaa.

The K end is one of my favorite endings, just cuz of
Spoiler:
dat twist.

Also, what's MILKEVOLI again? (I imagine it's one of the passwords or something, but...)
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Bad Player wrote:
Spoiler:
So did you go past the password screen c'mon you're supposed to? C'mon dude, lemme know xP


Spoiler:
Yes. The password was still exactly the same. It totally lets you get Luna's ending super early, too.

I remember when I first got Luna's ending, it was an emotional roller coaster. Because I thought Luna was dead, but then you find out in another route that she's a robot. So I finally got the I.D. I needed to finish her ending. But then Phi explained how she was likely just a puppet of Zero and would try to keep them from escaping. And that shot of her standing across the warehouse, just staring in at Sigma Phi was so creepy.

I'm really glad they didn't make it obvious on the flowchart whether you had to choose Ally or Betray. That was probably one of the most intense decisions in the game. I chose Ally the first time, and that moment when you walk outside the AB room and see her bracelet still on the ground was so relieving. I would have been so upset if she turned out to be secretly just a robot to prevent people from escaping if things went wrong.


Bad Player wrote:
The K end is one of my favorite endings, just cuz of
Spoiler:
dat twist.

Also, what's MILKEVOLI again? (I imagine it's one of the passwords or something, but...)


Spoiler:
MILKEVOLI is the password K tells you. It's Luna's password.

I've been wondering what it meant up until now, when it finally clicked.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Spoiler: Luna Ending
Luna. Luuuuuunnnnnnnaaaaaaa. D: I was spoiled on this ending, but damn. It still was able to bring me to tears. And that sudden, one usage of Morphogentic Sorrow when she's talking to Akane... Yeah. I see why everyone reacted the way they did this ending.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Alkolto wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
Spoiler:
So did you go past the password screen c'mon you're supposed to? C'mon dude, lemme know xP


Spoiler:
Yes. The password was still exactly the same. It totally lets you get Luna's ending super early, too.

I remember when I first got Luna's ending, it was an emotional roller coaster. Because I thought Luna was dead, but then you find out in another route that she's a robot. So I finally got the I.D. I needed to finish her ending. But then Phi explained how she was likely just a puppet of Zero and would try to keep them from escaping. And that shot of her standing across the warehouse, just staring in at Sigma Phi was so creepy.

I'm really glad they didn't make it obvious on the flowchart whether you had to choose Ally or Betray. That was probably one of the most intense decisions in the game. I chose Ally the first time, and that moment when you walk outside the AB room and see her bracelet still on the ground was so relieving. I would have been so upset if she turned out to be secretly just a robot to prevent people from escaping if things went wrong.

Spoiler:
For that one... once again, I chose Betray first, just to get the pain out of the way ;_;



To anyone who's gotten it, could you give me a rundown of Dio's End, and also
Spoiler: not really spoilers, but only check if you (think you) have finished the game
the Alternative End
? (Those were the 2 I found most confusing, so... ^^')
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Alkolto wrote:
The K Ending is really strange and depressing now that I know what I know.

Spoiler: Endgame Spoilers
(Or I guess, more strange and depressing)

K was telling Sigma the story of his father and 'mother', not realizing that Sigma was his father. But Sigma was listening to a story about him, not knowing his 'son' was telling a story about him. That's really... Sad.

Also, I noticed that MILKEVOLI backwards is ILOVEKLIM. ;-; Lunaaaaaaaa.


Spoiler:
I am pretty sure Luna is the robot that K got as a replacement mother from Sigma. It's so sad, that K couldn't even like her. :(



Alkolto wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
Spoiler:
So did you go past the password screen c'mon you're supposed to? C'mon dude, lemme know xP


Spoiler:
Yes. The password was still exactly the same. It totally lets you get Luna's ending super early, too.

I remember when I first got Luna's ending, it was an emotional roller coaster. Because I thought Luna was dead, but then you find out in another route that she's a robot. So I finally got the I.D. I needed to finish her ending. But then Phi explained how she was likely just a puppet of Zero and would try to keep them from escaping. And that shot of her standing across the warehouse, just staring in at Sigma Phi was so creepy.

I'm really glad they didn't make it obvious on the flowchart whether you had to choose Ally or Betray. That was probably one of the most intense decisions in the game. I chose Ally the first time, and that moment when you walk outside the AB room and see her bracelet still on the ground was so relieving. I would have been so upset if she turned out to be secretly just a robot to prevent people from escaping if things went wrong.



Spoiler:
I love that Luna is the only character in the game who will always vote ally, no matter what. Btw. I wonder why Dio allied with Luna in the first round, when you choose Alice's door. Ha acts really strange as well, when Luna thanks him for doing so.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Tacas wrote:
L~A wrote:
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In order to provide the best quality of distribution for Virtue's Last Reward the release dates are as follows:
UK and France release - 23rd November 2012
Germany and Italy release - 13th January 2013


Guess the rumours about the German release were true, and I'm glad to see they didn't include France in the 13th of January release (though it really sucks for German and Italian fans.... hope it really is in order to provide a translation, for their sake :yuusaku: ).


Now, just need to wait for Amazon to put the game up for pre-order. Come on, you can do it! :grossburg:


Does anybody know how things are in Austria? Most Austrian websites I've found so far say the game is released in November, including mediamarkt.at. Only Amazon.at states it's going to be released in January, but Amazon.at is essentially the same as Amazon.de, I believe. One website I found even says the game will be published on the 14th November... though that could be wrong.
But if it were the case, I could import it without any problems. Sadly, they don't seem to export to any countries other than Germany, but maybe that's a mistake on my part.


Afraid I got no idea here... My guess is that Germany = Austria in that case, since it's basically the same language.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Bad Player wrote:
To anyone who's gotten it, could you give me a rundown of Dio's End, and also
Spoiler: not really spoilers, but only check if you (think you) have finished the game
the Alternative End
? (Those were the 2 I found most confusing, so... ^^')

Spoiler: Dio End
Honestly, the English version just made me even more confused.

So the leader of Free the Soul is a man named Brother, and when he was growing up his brother, Left, died. Then he had some sort of divine intervention, and started making clones of Left to replace people who had been killed by Radical-6, saying that the virus had cleansed their soul and that they can be reborn into a new type of human.

But I thought Left was the leader of Free the Soul...

Also, Phi is there from the Phi End timeline to get the [00] Bomb code.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Spoiler: Dio end
Did they mention Myrmidons or something?

I thought it might've been something like Brother was the leader of Free the Souls. He made clone(s) of Left, who became the owner of Claydolls. But (with Left being the clone of the brother of Brother and all) Left was just a figurehead and it was really Brother in control of Claydolls. Or something. *shrug*


I understood the part with Phi, tho xP
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Anyone who's beaten the game, I'm horribly stuck very close to the end and could use help.

Spoiler: Super Late Game Spoilers
I've just gone through "Another Time - End" where I'm an unknown entity in Kyle's body and I don't know what to do now. There are no new nodes to jump to, and going back to the ones at the start of the timeline doesn't seem to change everything. Akane told me that I have to travel back and change history, so I imagine the game wants me to figure out something clever, but I'm drawing a blank. Any hints to point me in the right direction would be appreciated.


Edit:
Spoiler:
Someone just told me that's the end of the game... :udgy:

Please someone tell me they were lying.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Welcome to the 'oh god, when does the third game come out' club.

Also, while browsing the NeoGaF thread I noticed someone fairly early on in the game speculating something. But then it made me realize something...

Spoiler:
What if Quark is another Left clone? He has blond hair, and his face kind of reminds me of Dio's. Nobody knows who his real parents were. Tenmyouji just found him as a child.

whaaaaaat
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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I'm working on the, uh... Hard bonus right now. Finished the true end. The third game can not come quick enough.
Spoiler: Dio, True Endings
What was Dio talking about when he referenced breaking FTS' laws or whatever? The thing that had to do with women? Or is that another mystery for another time?
Also, what the hell happened to Sigma in that base? D: Was that Nonary Game hosted by freaking Jigsaw?
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Alkolto wrote:
Welcome to the 'oh god, when does the third game come out' club.

Also, while browsing the NeoGaF thread I noticed someone fairly early on in the game speculating something. But then it made me realize something...

Spoiler:
What if Quark is another Left clone? He has blond hair, and his face kind of reminds me of Dio's. Nobody knows who his real parents were. Tenmyouji just found him as a child.

whaaaaaat

Spoiler:
DEMON CHILD
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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So, Mr. Late To The Party here finally got to his first lock.

Spoiler: Lock No. 4 (cyan, ally)
ARGLEBLARGLE

Quite annoying. Thank goodness for the timeline jumping feature, otherwise all of these locks would be exactly like Coffin from 999. I wonder if the jumping will be explained in story as it was in 999. Actually, I hope it will be. Having restarting the game explained as a part of the plot is on the list of things about 999 I liked the most.

I wonder if they'll explain Radical-6 and its antiviral drug (forgot how to spell it at all) at all, other than being a virus that will kill you if left without the antiviral drug. I'd be fine if was explained as part of the bonus files. The antiviral drug seems a little questionable to me though... unless medicine has greatly advanced by 2028 (highly possible), antiviral drugs inhibit viral development, not destroy them. I guess the game says that it's based off of an antibody, so perhaps they found a way to attack viruses?

I like how Sigma can't accept letting Alice die even though she betrayed him in the Ambidex Game and was a real jerk about it.

I'm a little surprised that nobody has made any references to Alice's clothing so far, except for that very minor "you don't look like a detective" thing. Especially considering Sigma's reaction to that, er, scratch-off poster. 999 didn't make a big deal out of Lotus, but there were a few things anyway.

I was surprised at the solution to the crew quarters' safe lock. I thought obtaining the escape lock was much harder to figure out than the archive files (or whatever) lock. I decided to just try every combination of four numbers, then figured out why one worked.

It looks like "grandpa" wasn't a spoiler in the trailer after all (other than the fact that Quark knows... T). Perhaps it's just the translators not knowing what to do with ojiisan (or whatever Quark called him in Japanese). I could be completely wrong though, since their relationship hasn't been explained much yet.

So we've got two Internet memes and two culture references that I've seen so far. I'm sure there's plenty more to come.
> Forever alone
> You mad?
> Good Burger
> 867-5309/Jenny

Oh, and it's immediately apparent why that OVA was idiotic. So many changes to increase tension for the worse... when compared to the actual game, at least. I wonder if any of it had to do with earlier versions of the actual game. Promotions of the game made it sound like ally/betray at the end of a puzzle room WAS the game, when it's just a part of a bigger game. Granted, the flow does kind of go like that, but there is plenty of time to ponder the choice.


Here are some technical observations of the game so far.

Spoiler: No plot spoilers here, but you may want to have played the game a bit first
Everything I mention below is about the 3DS version.

The English voice acting is better than I thought it might be. The voice samples on the website are so short that I thought some of them would be bad/miscast. Comparing it with the Japanese VA's side by side may have been part of that too.

I'm impressed at the work they did with the lip sync. It's nothing to write home about, but it's pretty decent, AND it's different between the two spoken languages. Nice localization work!

The new music is interesting, but it's kind of odd that they used some 999 music verbatim. Even the new music uses the same instruments as 999 (or maybe that's only most of the time?). But everything fits the mood, so it's fine.

I see how they are able to render the puzzle rooms on both screens: one of the images rendered to produce the upper screen (before rendering the foreground things like dialogue) is copied (and slightly shrunk) to the lower screen. Watch the lower screen's view as you shift the 3D slider and you'll see what I mean.

It looks like the framerate of the video portions is a bit low and is compensated for a bit by blurring between the frames. Does this happen in the Vita version as well? Also, do pre-rendered CG videos (first seen after the first escape; not counting title screen) exist in the Vita version, or are they rendered real-time?

I've noticed a lot of still images that seem unnecessary (that is, could be rendered by the game, not drawings). Does this exist in the Vita version as well? First example is found before the first escape.
If it does, then maybe the 3D characters were only made to work like the sprites in 999 (that is, the same way that most VNs show characters - preset images/model animations for expressing emotions and "CGs" for important depictions). I guess that isn't a bad thing, except that changing from animated 3D models to softer, pre-rendered, flat, still images (usually from the same environment) feels a bit off.

The 3DS tends to drop frames sometimes, easily seen by spinning a puzzle room around quickly using the circle pad. Does this happen on the Vita?

Clover is odd... many of her expressions look like she's smiling after she finishes talking, including when she's supposed to be in shock. Does it look the same on the Vita? I'm asking because the resolution of the 3DS is a bit smaller IIRC, and maybe it just looks like she's smiling when she shouldn't. Or maybe her teeth are clipping through her face or something.

I haven't listened to the game with earbuds yet, so I can't say if the audio of the voice acting seems overly compressed like it was in the JP demo. It doesn't sound compressed with speakers though, but if I play it at full volume (on my original 3DS, not XL) it sounds like there are some artifacts. But I think it's just something to do with the speakers and/or the plastic around the speakers, because lowering the volume a bit removes them.


EDIT:
Spoiler: Beginning of cyan, betray
Well, I suppose my question about timeline jumping being explained in-game was confirmed pretty much immediately. It isn't the morphogenetic field (there isn't a second observer, as far as I know, unless that TV effect between some scenes means something...), but some of its symptoms are similar. The game just explained that something about it is much different though... Seeing how part of this twist is being put out in the open now (but not fully explained yet) I can only expect a much bigger thing coming up later!
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Oh, right, I was wondering about whether they were going to redo the lip-syncing for the English version. Thanks for mentioning that.

And yeah, I think most of Clover's expressions are... not very appropriate.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Clover's reaction to everything: :D
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MrGiggles wrote:
I'm working on the, uh... Hard bonus right now. Finished the true end. The third game can not come quick enough.
Spoiler: Dio, True Endings
Also, what the hell happened to Sigma in that base? D: Was that Nonary Game hosted by freaking Jigsaw?


Spoiler:
That's one of the secrets we will learn in the next game. :) My guess is that he lost his arms when he saved the real Luna during the experiment ("real Luna" would be the girl that we heard when she talked about accidentally killing 6 of the other participants of the experiment). I am pretty sure robot Luna was modeled after a real Luna Sigma met during that experiment. He got the blue bird pendant from her and then passed it on to robo Luna.





Alkolto wrote:
Clover's reaction to everything: :D

That was so creepy and funny at the same time. Was this "bug" also present in the Japanese version of the game?
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Check Amazon. Finally see Virtue's Last Reward listed. Rejoice. Realise it's the Vita version. Suspicion. Realise it's the import version. Disappointment.

The story of my monday, by L~A. :yogi:
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Lusankya wrote:
Alkolto wrote:
Clover's reaction to everything: :D

That was so creepy and funny at the same time. Was this "bug" also present in the Japanese version of the game?

It always looks like she's smiling, if that's what you're asking.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Ok finished

Spoiler: Ending and other really spoilery stuff
What.

Just
just
what

Seriously I think Uchikoshi just tried to make the ending as ridiculously convulted as humanly possible. Slightly disappointing, don't get me wrong I loved the game, but the good times with the cast kind of got pushed aside at the end while I tried to sort out which version of Sigma went to what point in time and what exactly the deal was with Phi (which they never actually did satisfactorily explain, thanks) and so on

Don't see what TenmyoJunpei meant about Akane not being the same person he remembered, though; even though she had a noble goal in mind she was still the same supermanipulative bitch she was in 999

Lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahng
I thought for sure she was Zero for like half the game (well, her or Quark since there didn't seem to be any other point to him being in the game) just because she was too sweet to be sincere
Then it turns out she really is that nice and by then I'd mostly given up on the Quark theory so I just say to myself "well hell maybe SIGMA was secretly Zero all along, ha ha yeah right WAIT WHAT THE HELL SERIOUSLY?"

Oh, yeah, Alice is another character I ended up liking a lot more than I expected, especially since I hated her after she decided to betray you twice in her storyline, the second time immediately after you save her from a horrible virus that hijacks your brain and makes you stab yourself in the heart (yeah you're welcome.) Then she turns out to be not so bad after the long scene in the garden.

So how many gold files did everyone need help getting? I think I needed to look up three, possibly four.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Ok finished

Spoiler: Ending and other really spoilery stuff
What.

Just
just
what

Seriously I think Uchikoshi just tried to make the ending as ridiculously convulted as humanly possible. Slightly disappointing, don't get me wrong I loved the game, but the good times with the cast kind of got pushed aside at the end while I tried to sort out which version of Sigma went to what point in time and what exactly the deal was with Phi (which they never actually did satisfactorily explain, thanks) and so on

Don't see what TenmyoJunpei meant about Akane not being the same person he remembered, though; even though she had a noble goal in mind she was still the same supermanipulative bitch she was in 999

Lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahng
I thought for sure she was Zero for like half the game (well, her or Quark since there didn't seem to be any other point to him being in the game) just because she was too sweet to be sincere
Then it turns out she really is that nice and by then I'd mostly given up on the Quark theory so I just say to myself "well hell maybe SIGMA was secretly Zero all along, ha ha yeah right WAIT WHAT THE HELL SERIOUSLY?"

Oh, yeah, Alice is another character I ended up liking a lot more than I expected, especially since I hated her after she decided to betray you twice in her storyline, the second time immediately after you save her from a horrible virus that hijacks your brain and makes you stab yourself in the heart (yeah you're welcome.) Then she turns out to be not so bad after the long scene in the garden.

So how many gold files did everyone need help getting? I think I needed to look up three, possibly four.


Spoiler: Response
I just got Phi's ending, but I still need to get Quark and Sigma's. <_<

But anyway, after playing the game in my native language, the ending wasn't really hard to follow. I still need to get the alternate ending, though. The only things that were convoluted were things that weren't explained and were meant to be explained in the next game.
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I'll probably finish this up tomorrow, all I've got left is Luna and Phi's endings. I have to say, Dio's ending was much better than I thought it would be. Conversely, Alice and Sigma's were kind of letdowns - I'm guessing they're saving Sigma's backstory for the true ending, but Alice's was sort of unimpressive.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Alice's Ending was one of my favorites. It singlehandedly bumped her up several ranks on my favorite character list.

Spoiler: Alice; END
Her breakdown where she tells sigma that he deserves to kill her after all she had done to him was really sad. It really showed another side to her character.
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Ah, I see you have made a new character ranking, Alkoto. (Luna > Phi > Tenmyouji > K > Sigma > Alice > Quark > Dio > Clover)

Mine is pretty similiar, but I think very different of K and Clover than you.

Luna > Phi > Sigma > Clover > Tenmyouji > Alice > K > Dio > Quark

Spoiler: explanation with endgame spoilers
I really love Luna in this game. At first I thought she can't possibly be such a good person, but she truly is. Her ending was so great and heartbreaking and I am glad we will most likely see the human version of her in the third game.

Phi is still a very mysterious character to me, but that also makes her so interesting. I really like her personality, because she behaves quite realistically and her jokes are hilariously stupid. :D

Sigma is great for a VN protagonist. He's got a solid personality and has a refreshing "bad ass" attitude paired with his perveted jokes. It must be really creepy for the other participants who see him as an old guy, but it's great for the player who assumes he's young.

I loved Clover in 999 in still really like her. Most of the time the escape rooms with her were my favorite ones, because she is so funny (the laboratory with her and Dio made my day). Yes, to me the best characters in this game are mostly the funny ones. :)

Tenmyouji is a tricky one. I like his role in the whole game and what has become of Junpei, but I wish he wasn't "Oh, my god we have to find Quark! NOW! Quark! QUARK!" all the time. But apart from that he's great. It took me quite some while to really like him, though.

Alice reminds me of Lotus, but I like her graphical design much more. She is trong, intelligent and actually a very good person. She never betrayed anyone, unless she was on the verge of death (1BP) or in the one case with Sigma betraying her in the other time line. Her ending also showed much more of her true character than we ever saw of Lotus.

I am quite dissappointed with K. We only ever see him in one single escape room and nearly half of the game it's actually Akane beneath the armor. It looks like he (or rather his consciousness) will play a bigger role in Zero Escape 3, so I'm looking forward to seeing more of Kyle's true personality.

Dio suffers from being just the straightforward bad guy of the game. He has to be that way, but I wish there were some redeeming qualities of him. Well, at least he didn't betray Luna, that's a great plus! And it's also kinda weird, because he behaves different than during the other time lines. I guess because in this one he didn't manage to kill Akane?

Quark is okay, especially for a child character. But it's the same as with K and Dio, that we're only together in one single escape room. In addition he is totally unimportant for the overall story. Everyone has a reason to participate in the AB game, but him. He is only there to push Tenmyouji's own story a little bit. You could easily replace him with some random other character or even the "9th man" and it wouldn't change the overall story.

Overall I like the whole cast a lot, even Quark is fine. He's just not as good as the other characters.
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Lusankya wrote:
Spoiler: Alice
Alice reminds me of Lotus, but I like her graphical design much more. She is trong, intelligent and actually a very good person. She never betrayed anyone, unless she was on the verge of death (1BP) or in the one case with Sigma betraying her in the other time line.

Spoiler: Alice
What about the 2nd time she betrays you in her ending? :yuusaku:
(And she can't access the morphogenetic field, so she can't use the excuse that Sigma betrayed her before like Phi did, for the first time Alice betrays Sigma)


Also,

K > Luna > Alice > Phi > Sigma > Tenmyouji > Dio > Quark > Alice >>>>>> Clover
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Bad Player wrote:
Also,

K > Luna > Alice > Phi > Sigma > Tenmyouji > Dio > Quark > Alice >>>>>> Clover


I can't tell whether Alice is your third favorite or your second-to-least favorite, or both at the same time somehow.
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Can't decide if I love 'er or hate 'er xp
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I'll say it : you guys are playing this game waaaaaaaaay too fast :p

Aaaaaaaand, yet another day without a trace of VLR on Amazon.fr
Anyone know how to hack them so I could add the page myself? :fire: (Yeah, I know that would be useless, but hey, what do you know).
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Finished earlier tonight. Will write up detailed thoughts some other time, but I think my initial reaction to the final ending still works best:

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What the fuck?

(I'm referring to the Another Timeline end, by the way, not Phi's end.)
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Spoiler:
Pretty much. VLR is an amazing journey but a terrible destination.
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There is one thing that is really nice about the VLR ending that the 999 ending didn't have.

Spoiler: Endgame spoilers
It basically tells you that there IS going to be another game and what it's going to be about, and confirms a few characters that will be in it. Which funnily enough, are the top five characters in my character rankings for VLR

Sigma and Phi, obviously.

Junpei is going to be the Operator, so he'll likely be involved, even if it's only a little bit.

Akane already confirmed that Kyle's subconscious was sent back to 2028 along with Sigma and Phi. Although we don't know whose body he will be inhabiting.

And it's incredibly likely that the woman Luna is based on will be there. Her and the girl on the audio file claiming to be responsible for an upcoming 6 billion deaths have the same voice actor. Also, Sigma lost his arms and eye saving a girl, which kind of coincides with the music box pendant that Luna says someone she held close gave her.


So I can't really complain.
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Spoiler:
Hm? Junpei is going to be The Operator? What's that?
(Junpei is Slenderman, what?!?!?!)


Also, I thought the person lost his arms+eyes saving was Phi...
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Spoiler:
Junpei is the operator for the simulated flight to Mars. Remember the audio clip in Tenmyouji's route?

Also, I don't think Sigma saved Phi. Akane says that Sigma saved 'a girl' which caused him to lose his arms and eye. Don't you think that if it was Phi she would have said that he had saved Phi? And the only other survivor was a girl, who shares the same voice actor as Luna.
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