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I just got halfway through this game and totally worth buying a Vita just to play this game and man all the new gameplay content and new Scenes are awesome.
What did others think of this game ??
What did others think of this game ??
Since davetech asked this... I find Golden to be a pointless remake. Or, rather, enhanced port. Nothing substantial was added. Everything added is nothing but pointless fanservice. And I hate fanservice, especially when it's pointless. I tolerated the fanservice in P4 with the hot springs, but I do not want more of it. (And I hate the hot springs part in P4 for other reasons, too)
Marie is a horrible and annoying character. She never existed in P4, I will continue to pretend she doesn't exist, otherwise I will have to go to Atlus and ask what the fuck they were thinking, creating such an annoying Marie Sue. She adds nothing to the story, her arc is optional and considering the revelations about her, you'd think she'd be much more important. But she isn't. Still remains optional. If you want me to take her seriously, make it mandatory.
New Socials Links are stupid. Why were they added?
Spoiler: P4 Golden Social Link Spoiler
Everything else is unnecessary. Oh, wow, I can now change the difficulty, but also how much EXP I get? Why?! The game was easy enough as it is, why did you need to make it easier than P3P?! I HATED P3P because it was so freaking easy. I play Atlus games cause they're challenging, not cause I wanna breeze through them.
Costumes? Eh, it's a minor thing and if it doesn't change their appearance everywhere in the game, it ruins its potential for comedy.
Also, no dual audio? They couldn't even be nice enough to add THAT for the enhanced port?! Biking, more beach and hot springs, gardening, all pointless shit added. I don't play Persona to freaking GARDEN, that's what Harvest Moon is for.
If they want to remake P4, kindly cut out the mission control of Teddy and Rise. I'm not fucking blind, I can see what's going on, there's no reason for them to tell me what's going on. Also, make the mystery not so freaking obvious to figure out before the game even starts. I hate Mystery games where I figure the plot twists or murderers out, cause it makes the mystery look like shit. I had more difficulty, figuring out murders in Clue CD-ROM games in the '90s.
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On-topic, if you don't have Golden there's very little reason to own a Vita.
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I also prefer the new English voice for Chie over the original English voice for her, although I do wish there was an option to switch out for the Japanese audio so I can hear how that sounded during New Game+. I mean, I rather liked how most of the cast Japanese cast sounded in the Golden animation, particularly Rise and Margaret's voices as Rie Kugimiya is way less annoying that Laura Bailey in the role, and Sayaka Ohara's performance was far less flat than Michelle Ann Dunphy's (although Troy Baker and Matt Mercer still own as Kanji).
And as a counterpoint to CatMuto's complaint that New Game+ allows you to raise the amount of XP you get during battle, thus making the game too easy, it also allows you to lower the amount of XP you get, making the game harder if you prefer.
Honestly, I will never understand why people complain about optional things like adjustable difficulty or trophies/achievements. If you don't like it, just don't bother with it. No need to complain about something no one is forcing on you.
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I was going to write up a long counterpoint but since your post can basically be summed up as "blah I hate new things they should have left the entire game exactly as it was except change the parts I personally didn't like," I'll just say that, other than the part about Marie being kind of Sue-ish, I completely disagree with everything you said.
On-topic, if you don't have Golden there's very little reason to own a Vita.
On-topic, if you don't have Golden there's very little reason to own a Vita.
Yes, I think P4 was damn good to begin with and didn't need much changing, except for a little touching up or smoothing out here and there. All they added was fanservice and you honestly cannot deny that. Nothing they added was substantial or actually altered the story or plot. (One new ending is merely a second bad ending - that does not a change make)
Gardening? Makes it easier to get keys for chests. Whoopdeedoo. Most of the time, the items in the chest weren't that great - off and on you got a piece of equipment, but most of the time, it's already pointless since you tended to have on-par or super-par equipment already. Biking? Honestly, there was nothing wrong with the skillsets of the party members to begin with, so the biking was pointless.
Also, I've done it before: buying a console for a single game. I don't recommend it. And the Vita is no different. Golden is not enough of 1 game to justify wasting 150 - 200€ on it. (And, unfortunately, the current game library is also not worth it)
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Honestly, I will never understand why people complain about optional things like adjustable difficulty or trophies/achievements. If you don't like it, just don't bother with it. No need to complain about something no one is forcing on you.
I overall agree with you on that - one reason why I don't understand the complaint "Lightning Returns' garbs are too sexy and revealing". There are decent garbs that are not revealing, nothing forces the player to use the revealing ones. But in Golden's case... the only thing they added was optional fanservice. They added nothing but optional stuff - why even bother releasing it, then? (Yeah, yeah, money, bite me) If I am gonna get the remake or enhanced port of a game, I expect some story improvements or changes.
I dislike ORAS cause it's basically Ruby/Sapphire, with less features than X/Y. It's barely even an enhanced remake, they changed nothing of the story. Symphonia's PS2 (and eventual PS3) release added optional things mostly, yes. But those optional things did change the story. It added more scenes that upped the relationship value with Lloyd, which led to differences in the final third of the game.
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And I'm not gonna ramble the same points that I've probably repeated like 5 times in here to counter-argue points again. I'm just gonna say that I overall enjoy P4G and I do think it's a decent improvement to the original.
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There is a lot more emphasis on humor, especially in the Fate Link scenes. It's overall fun, with lots of Ship Teasing for the Protagonist and practically any of the girls (also for Yamato and Alcor, as per usual). Unfortunately, you can't really do anything with it. But there are no Death Videos, so there is no real tension in keeping your party members alive. And, if one maxed out a character's Fate Link in the main Arc, nothing new is unlocked in the Tri Arc. The only ones still giving something is the new character, Miyako, who I'll give her own paragraph to.
Small thing, Airi and Hinako are shown - in portrait AND sprite-form - with new clothes. Yamato, at one point, too. WHY, WHY, WHY did you not take this over? I know that it's difficult to remake a sprite's reactions with a different outfit. But you went the extra mile for ONE scene for those three characters, so why not go the whole hog? It makes no sense that Airi and Hinako left the concert after the earthquake, then proceeded to change into their 'regular' clothes and fought. (Especially Hinako, who already wore, well, this to fighting - TSFW) Either don't make any changes at all or go the whole way. (And then give me an option what sprite I wanna use)
Some of the revelations in the story are pretty neat. I just wish they could've done more with it.
As for Miyako, she is way too much in the foreground. Even the joke that she's Yamato in drag gets old really fast. Her design is basically "Yamato, as a super cute chick" and, trust me, her poses really portray that. Just look at her third one. There's also a lot of subtext with Miyako and the Protagonist, but as it can be balanced out with scenes with other girls, it's okay. The real problem with Miyako, though, is that she's nothing new. She's boring. Unfortunately, mentioning that requires spoilers, so I will say this: she's a mixture of two characters from this very game, that I've already dealt with.
Spoiler: Hotsuin Miyako
That last bit is really bad, because it doesn't happen until pretty late into the Tri Arc, so there isn't much time spent on it. And can I just say that SHE got a full-on picture for the Record Breaker ending, whereas everyone else was simply shown in sprite form? Stop shilling her! She is Marie from Golden! And Marie sucked cause she was not an interesting character on her own.
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Heads up to anyone who's interested in getting Persona Q; it's on sale on the NA eShop for $20 until (I believe) the 13th
Definitely worth it.
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Persona 4 Golden
Alternately, if you don't have a Vita/PSTV, or if you aren't crazy about the changes made to the Golden version, there's the Persona 4 PS2 Classic for $9.99, although that's the regular price.
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In case anyone's interested, Persona 4 Golden is 67% off, bringing it down to $9.89 on PSN. If, for whatever reason, you've been thinking about getting this game, but haven't gotten around to it, now would be a great time.
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Alternately, if you don't have a Vita/PSTV, or if you aren't crazy about the changes made to the Golden version, there's the Persona 4 PS2 Classic for $9.99, although that's the regular price.
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Alternately, if you don't have a Vita/PSTV, or if you aren't crazy about the changes made to the Golden version, there's the Persona 4 PS2 Classic for $9.99, although that's the regular price.
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And if you don't have either, you can always watch the anime adaptation.
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This Thursday, May 5th, Atlus will hold an announcement. This should be when they announce P5's release date. Hopefully they're aiming for a global release. If not, then we might get P5 during the Holidays (time-frame as P4JP and its localized version).
I'll be waiting with bated breath after the EU kerfuffle.
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Pierre wrote:
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This Thursday, May 5th, Atlus will hold an announcement. This should be when they announce P5's release date. Hopefully they're aiming for a global release. If not, then we might get P5 during the Holidays (time-frame as P4JP and its localized version).
I'll be waiting with bated breath after the EU kerfuffle.
I'll be at College when the announcement goes on. :< I'll have to read the info when I get back at home.
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Pierre wrote:
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This Thursday, May 5th, Atlus will hold an announcement. This should be when they announce P5's release date. Hopefully they're aiming for a global release. If not, then we might get P5 during the Holidays (time-frame as P4JP and its localized version).
I'll be waiting with bated breath after the EU kerfuffle.
I'm really really hoping that some way or another, you guys will be able to get this game over there. Considering especially how big the Persona series is nowadays, it just ain't right. I'm really just hoping Sega will actually get some brains and allow someone to localize it over there.
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Japan has a confirmation date of 9/15/2016
No confirmation of a release date in the West as of yet. P5 is going to be at E3 this year too, so there should be more information then.
P5 is also getting a collector's edition celebrating 20 years of Persona in Japan. Will include a CD containing songs from previous games, an artbook, among other things. Again, nothing confirmed yet for the West.
Honestly, I'm really liking how this game is looking and I'm pretty pumped. I'm really, REALLY hoping Sega gets their butts in gear and gets a publisher for Europe. I'd really hate to see them miss out on such a big game, especially when considering the popularity of the series over the years. Hoping in the future to hear some good news. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you guys.
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dullahan1 wrote:
HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE!!
And now I can go ahead and plan to preorder the game! By the way, at around 3:20 when looking at Orangehaired-Girl's phone list, I think those are referential names? I noticed Joker, but it moved before I could read the rest. Also, seems like they got a new voice for Igor - personally doesn't bother me, though I am a bit surprised, since they went a little extra mile to avoid getting a new voice actor, after his original one died. (Still waiting for the internet to explode with hatred for Igor's new voice)
I will admit, I am a LITTLE disappointed that there seem to be more party members to unlock. Maybe it's me, but I would not have minded having only 3 or 4 members, as it was mostly shown up to now.
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We saw...I dunno maybe 3 new party members there? The Cowgirl, the Navigator/Cyber Girl and the cool Metal Visor one.
Looks like Shadow versions of characters are sticking around. Happy to see that.
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- 9 party members
- Some battle mechanics from P1 and P2 are returning. As an example, apparently some of the elements that Persona games since 3 have left out are returning. Maybe we'll see Zan and the like again, which I noticed was in the #FE game.
- A TV anime for Persona 5 will be airing around the September release.
Another post about the trailer says what those referential names are:
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The protag is “Joker”, Anne is “Queen”, Ryuuji is “Skull”, Yusuke is “Inari”(A fox goddess). The others are “Panther” and “Novel”.
It may not be localized in exactly that way, of course.
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I guess the government knows about the shadows and so lets the protagonist out on the condition that he fights them?
Hmm, I wonder if the Shadow Operatives actually have some power now.
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- A TV anime for Persona 5 will be airing around the September release.
No! Goddammit, does EVERYTHING need a fucking anime these days!? Why can't something just be ONE medium and then be left alone?
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The thought had occurred to me. They seemed to be recognised by the government at least by the time Ultimax rolled around.
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dullahan1 wrote:
I don't mind if P5 gets an anime, but I hate how it coincides with the game's release. At least wait until the reception you get from the game first. I mean, if the story and characters suck, then I doubt the anime is gonna do any good.
Animé adaptions of unreleased video games nowadays are put under the marketing budget, meanings its a means to promote the game, not to be taken serious like an Animé such as Detective Conan, Bleach, and the likes.
Take for example Kingsward: FINAL FANTASY XV. It's part of the plethora of promo material meant to give the big a hell of a momentum before its release fourteen days after P5's release.
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I don't mind if P5 gets an anime, but I hate how it coincides with the game's release. At least wait until the reception you get from the game first. I mean, if the story and characters suck, then I doubt the anime is gonna do any good.
Animé adaptions of unreleased video games nowadays are put under the marketing budget, meanings its a means to promote the game, not to be taken serious like an Animé such as Detective Conan, Bleach, and the likes.
Take for example Kingsward: FINAL FANTASY XV. It's part of the plethora of promo material meant to give the big a hell of a momentum before its release fourteen days after P5's release.
I understand that. It's just, especially after the fiasco that was Mighty No. 9, using an anime as a promo just feels way too pretentious in my opinion. Maybe I'm old school, but I believe a game should be able to stand on its own merit. I understand the need for PR and all that to help get the game out there, but I also believe there is a thing as doing too much.
And to be fair, I've never taken most anime adaptations of games seriously in the first place. In fact, I usually tend to ignore the anime for things like that. If I want the story, I'll play the game. Most of those animes anyway run under the assumption that you've played the game first. Honestly for me, if I've played the game, I'm usually not going to find much interest in wanting to watch an anime that most likely had to cut out story to save on time and thus ends up being something that doesn't hold up as well when compared to the source material.
As for your Final Fantasy XV example though, I'm probably at the risk of sounding contrary to what I just said, but if my understanding about it being a prequel itself to the game's story is true, then I'm okay with something like that. Since it adds to the game's story rather than making a hashed redo of the main story, I'm fine since it adds something to the game rather than take something away.
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I don't mind if P5 gets an anime, but I hate how it coincides with the game's release. At least wait until the reception you get from the game first. I mean, if the story and characters suck, then I doubt the anime is gonna do any good.
Pretty much what I think. If you bring the anime AND game out at the same time, one could easily overshadow the other and be ignored. I think it'd be much better to wait and see how the game is received. Of course, this could have the problem of them later making an anime based on the game's events and deciding "We're 99% sure you've played the game at least once by now, so we won't treat anything as a spoiler", which is what they did with Persona 4 and Tales of the Abyss.
Honestly, why not just make an OVA? Or a much shorter anime, based on some side-events or a sidestory taking place in the game? I believe Tales of Eternia's 'anime' did that, focusing about 13 episodes on a somewhat long sidequest from the game.
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I'm usually not going to find much interest in wanting to watch an anime that most likely had to cut out story to save on time and thus ends up being something that doesn't hold up as well when compared to the source material.
Also agree with this. I first watched the Persona 4 anime because I wanted to see how they would do it. And they took some of the whackier moments of the game and played them straight - I mean, seeing Narukami and his voice actor actually go the whole hog and play the girl role in the mock-gokon, that was hilarious. Or him fishing being made epic.
But it also goes back to treating it as no spoiler territory. Sure, the game's opening made it obvious that, yeah, you were gonna get these people as party members. But it still tried to keep a few things a secret or re-watch boni, by showing glimpses of things you don't understand, until you play the game. (If I may take the first, long Profiling from Deadly Premonition: it basically shows you glimpses of the entire game in rapid succession. But you don't have a context for them or even noticed the images well, until you play again.)
Or, back to P4 anime, majorly cutting down on the social links. Personally didn't bother me, I mean, the social links for any non-party member were pretty boring or not important; it makes sense to cut them down in the anime. But then they went and had episodes dedicated to them... sounds contradictory.
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...Crap, I'm hyped. Now I just need to get a PS3 controller that isn't constantly acting on it's own.
I am glad to see that the dungeons will be more than just 3-meter wide hallways.
...And that hacker girl is kinda cute.
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Or, back to P4 anime, majorly cutting down on the social links. Personally didn't bother me, I mean, the social links for any non-party member were pretty boring or not important; it makes sense to cut them down in the anime. But then they went and had episodes dedicated to them... sounds contradictory.
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Or, back to P4 anime, majorly cutting down on the social links. Personally didn't bother me, I mean, the social links for any non-party member were pretty boring or not important; it makes sense to cut them down in the anime. But then they went and had episodes dedicated to them... sounds contradictory.
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At least they went down the music club route instead of the drama club route (since going to drama got really awkward).
Both of those social links sucked. And I can't believe they made an entire episode about freaking EBIHARA.
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Or, back to P4 anime, majorly cutting down on the social links. Personally didn't bother me, I mean, the social links for any non-party member were pretty boring or not important; it makes sense to cut them down in the anime. But then they went and had episodes dedicated to them... sounds contradictory.
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At least they went down the music club route instead of the drama club route (since going to drama got really awkward).
Agreed. I'll take self-esteem issues over daddy issues any day.
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Agreed. I'll take self-esteem issues over daddy issues any day.
But her hair is so ugly.
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And I can't believe they made an entire episode about freaking EBIHARA.
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And I can't believe they made an entire episode about freaking EBIHARA.
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No, it was a terrible idea. She's a horrible person, has a terrible 'reason' for bullying and she has lost any kind of sympathy she might have had, when her reaction to learning that her crush may not like her was to pull a freaking Bella Fucking Swan and want to throw herself off a freaking roof. Because committing suicide will make the person love you.
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And I can't believe they made an entire episode about freaking EBIHARA.
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No, it was a terrible idea. She's a horrible person, has a terrible 'reason' for bullying and she has lost any kind of sympathy she might have had, when her reaction to learning that her crush may not like her was to pull a freaking Bella Fucking Swan and want to throw herself off a freaking roof. Because committing suicide will make the person love you.
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Ebihara wasn't a bully, just a jerkass.
Next you're going to say "Doesn't change the fact that she's a horrible person.
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And I can't believe they made an entire episode about freaking EBIHARA.
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I know, the anime actually did something right
No, it was a terrible idea. She's a horrible person, has a terrible 'reason' for bullying and she has lost any kind of sympathy she might have had, when her reaction to learning that her crush may not like her was to pull a freaking Bella Fucking Swan and want to throw herself off a freaking roof. Because committing suicide will make the person love you.
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Most people you have Social Links with start out kind of shitty
That's
like
the entire point of having a Social Link with them
They're supposed to grow and become better people
Also without Social Links to fill the void, there's practically no story between first entering the TV and around the Mitsuo arc. Everything in between is basically
*someone gets thrown in the TV*
*do the dungeon and save them*
Yosuke: So do you know anything about who threw you in?
Victim: Nope
Yosuke: Well shit, back to square one
*repeat*
That's a lot of nothing to fill 12 episodes
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Most people you have Social Links with start out kind of shitty
Thing is, despite doing her Social Link, I never saw her improve in any way. She still came across as obnoxious, shallow and airheaded, with the same poor excuse for bullying. She never changed her attitude.
She was like Yukari to me. Annoying from Rank 0/1 until Rank 10. And the only reason I ever did her social link was to get the 50%+ EXP armor. And even that wasn't worth it in the end.
As for filling episodes, I go back to my argument of going for an OVA than an anime. Less episodes to create, they can just fine cut the non-important (read: non-party member except Nanako and Dojima) social links and nobody would care. Though I think an OVA's cost in creation is higher than an anime. But the quality of the animation tends to be better.
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A King
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Scent wrote:
Be it outright laziness, or just didn't have enough time to focus on said element.
If it's the former, why even bother putting it in, if they aren't going to put in the effort to make it good?
In the latter, I can understand, but it still backfires. It will cause the player to see the potential behind it and then look at the half-hearted/hurried/unfinished feature they got and wish that the game had been held back, to allow for more time. It results in a horrible flaw in the game, which shouldn't be there.
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CatMuto wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Most people you have Social Links with start out kind of shitty
Thing is, despite doing her Social Link, I never saw her improve in any way. She still came across as obnoxious, shallow and airheaded, with the same poor excuse for bullying. She never changed her attitude.
Bolded part is factually, objectively wrong.
And if you honestly believe the rest, then I guess your definition of "changed" is "becoming a completely different person." Like, not even metaphorically, I'm talking something along the lines of Pearl Fey somehow transforming into Manfred von Karma.
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Her SL felt like I was playing Persona 3 again. I'm not telling them the answers that would actually help them change (as it was with most of the people in Persona 4, for me) but the answers they WANTED to hear.
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