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Is there any difference in design asthetics besides the colour? I admit I'm tempted by Mario 3D Land :)
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Did you see the absolute final ending that unlocks when you beat all rooms on hard? There is no announcement when this happens. You can find it on the bottom right of the timeline.

I'm asking because it seems that you don't know about the mystery of who is occupying Kyle's body (at least, in that ending).
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Is there any difference in design asthetics besides the colour? I admit I'm tempted by Mario 3D Land :)


Nah, it's a regular 3DS XL, just entirely white. No special logo or anything (except on the box, obviously).
Oh, and one thing to note : game's stored on the SD Card, and it'll be registered as download on your eShop account.

@blahmoomoo : I'll read and answer later :shoe:
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Did you see the absolute final ending that unlocks when you beat all rooms on hard? There is no announcement when this happens. You can find it on the bottom right of the timeline.

I'm asking because it seems that you don't know about the mystery of who is occupying Kyle's body (at least, in that ending).


Spoiler: True ending of the truth
Oh, you mean 'Infirmary - Another time'?
If yes, I'd always assumed it was Sigma, but in another dimension/timeline. It never occured to me it might be another person. Could you please elaborate and tell me more about it? What your theories about this are, at least.

Something always bugged me in this ending: how Luna's (and other characters) are surprised you know so many things you're apparently not supposed to know. Guess that makes much more sense


And YUP! I do need to replay this game :shoe:

Oh, and by the way, totally unrelated, but today, we learned that Code of Princess european's release is even closer than ever.
Apparently, the USK (german PEGI) rated the game recently, so that means it should be released early next year.
If you don't know about this game, check out this trailer. And yup, it's Kinu Nishumura who did the artworks, which is what attracted me to this game in the first place! (and after trying this game at E3, I was quite impressed, so I'm glad we're finally getting this).
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Spoiler: The TRUE True Ending
You know, I never really pondered who the person in Kyle's body is. I always assumed it was going to be some mystery person that we wouldn't learn about until the next game, since the time jumps that Sigma is supposed to make don't include jumping into an alternate body. But I guess it could be Sigma...


All right, I think it's time for me to do a theory dump. I've been meaning to do this for a while.

Spoiler: Probably too spoilerish to put title here!
Morphogenetic Field

So VLR added quite a bit to how the morphogenetic field works. I'm going to summarize what I recall and postulate from there. Let me know if I forget anything and if you have your own theories!

In 999, the morphogenetic field was presented as a way to communicate between people, where one person is able to influence the field and another person is able to sense the field. The same thing happened between Akane and Junpei, but for some reason they communicated over a period of nine years. They didn't explain why this was possible in 999.

Moving on to VLR, the morphogenetic field's nature is explained, or at least a lot of it is. It's an abstract four dimensional space, where consciousnesses are three dimensional objects within the space. The original communication idea in 999 is explained as one consciousness sending a message to another consciousness within the three dimensional space (no time travel). But the communication between Akane and Junpei in 999 was different: they were communicating across time, or the fourth dimension.

Also, apparently there is a way to move your consciousness across the fourth dimension. This is how time traveling works in VLR. Doing this causes your consciousness at the time you travel to to be displaced, since you can't have two at one time.

Now, I think the reason why that 'Kyle' in the ultra true ending is not actually Kyle is because of another kind of traveling through the morphogenetic field: trading consciousnesses, and traveling through time. Though you don't necessarily have to travel through time to do that, but I feel that it's likely.

You know, maybe Kyle will be part of the third game because he traded his consciousness for somebody else in the past. Seeing how the person in Kyle's head after VLR's Nonary Game knows about the game, I'm guessing that Kyle jumped before the VLR game started.

Oh yeah. The one thing about the whole explanation in VLR I didn't get is that Akane said that Junpei traveled through time himself in the past. But he didn't... it was all Akane 'listening' to Junpei in the future. What's up with that?
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Hey,
Sorry for going OT but how do I register my console to get (another) free game? :D Was thinking of going for Layton.
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You need a Club Nintendo account and link it to your 3DS in the eShop. I believe the place to go in the eShop is the "other" button in the menu, then look for the Club Nintendo button.
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Thanks! I havent actually got a Club Nintendo account, so will have to create one... hmmm.
Edit - Ahhh, I can't join until I have my 3DS it seems, as it asks you to enter a product code to join.
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If you have certain DS or Wii games, you can enter a code from one of them. First party Nintendo games and select third party games (like Professor Layton) have them where the manual is.

Club Nintendo works by having you enter codes from games (or buy eShop games from a 3DS linked to your account) and systems and taking a short survey about them. After taking the survey, you get coins that you can spend on special stuff, including select eShop and WiiWare games. There's a bit more to it, but that's most of it.
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Thanks! I'll have a look in some of my DS games like Layton to see if I can join :)
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You need a Club Nintendo account and link it to your 3DS in the eShop. I believe the place to go in the eShop is the "other" button in the menu, then look for the Club Nintendo button.


Hmmm? No, you don't need to link an eShop account to your Club Nintendo account to get the free game.

Here's what you need to do :

- go to nintendo.co.uk
- create yourself a Club Nintendo account (which you can do by registering a game/console)
- register your 3DS (can be used to create your Club Nintendo account)
- at the end of the registration, you should get a survey for the free 3DS game. Complete it, and you should receive a download code a bit later.
- enter this code in the Nintendo eShop (there's a button for that in the options), from January the 1st to 31st.

Linking your eShop and Club Nintendo accounts allows you to get stars for stuff bought on the eShop.

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After taking the survey, you get coins that you can spend on special stuff, including select eShop and WiiWare games. There's a bit more to it, but that's most of it.


I believe that's only for the US, there's no such thing in Europe. There's been special promotions, where you get download codes for games (like the one for the purchase of a 3DS XL :)), but there's no WiiWare/eShop games in the Club Nintendo catalogue in Europe (maybe later?). There's some nice goodies too (but no golden nunchuk, or Zelda posters... :larry: )

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I believe you got most of it, for the Morphogenetic field. For Kyle in the true ending, that's funny that I now think it might be another person, but you now think it might be Kyle after all :p

Here's what I think might have happened :

- for one, I'm sure that True ending takes place after the true ending where Akane shows herself in the Garden (when she reveals she was in the suit from the beginning). He's been taken out of the 'tomb', and put in the infirmary and out of his cold sleep.
- maybe the reason they're surprised he knows some stuff is because he shouldn't have been accessing the 4th dimension? (I actually forgot, can you access it if you're in cold sleep?)
- maybe he was actually asked to access it, but learned stuff he souldn't have.
- maybe something real bad happened in another dimension, and his consciousness got transferred over. Maybe he transferred to the wrong dimension, where he learned that stuff they're all surprised he knows about.

I think it may actually be Sigma, and they don't seem to realise it's him... which would explain why they're surprised about the stuff he knows. That would go along with the theory that something went wrong... Maybe this has something to do with FTS, who realised Sigma/Akane were trying to change the past? I'm pretty sure FTS got people who can access the morphogenetic field/4th dimension, and they're trying to prevent whatever Akane/Sigma's plan is to come to fruition.

For some reason, I can't shake the feeling Kyle's been sent on some sort of mission... maybe somebody else came back instead of him (Sigma, for one). Because why would he be in cold sleep in the first place?

Anyway, about that 'Kyle' being another person... I have no idea who it might be, though. Maybe Brother himself? :shoe:


Seriously, that stuff is so complex, I wonder how the writer himself manages to keep track of everything and not get confused by hiw own maze :p
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Ah, so the Europe Club Nintendo is quite different. Never mind. The US one currently has a promotion of getting a free game if you buy certain other games in the eShop, including Miracle Mask.

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I am very certain that Kyle is not in that body, as the game made that clear. Question is, who is he? I guess being Sigma would make sense.

Also, what I meant is, it's possible that Kyle is in the next game, but in somebody else's body. Phi makes it pretty clear that there is something more going on than was already explained, but she can't say anything.
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Ah, so the Europe Club Nintendo is quite different. Never mind. The US one currently has a promotion of getting a free game if you buy certain other games in the eShop, including Miracle Mask.


Yeah, each CN seems to be different according to your region, it's not really unified (even though you often find similar items, most of the times, they're quite different). Our current promotion is get a free 3DS game (Layton 5, as Mario 3D Land, Art Academy, Freakyforms for ex.) if you register a 3DS XL before January the 15th. It works if you bought your 3DS XL Day one (like me). It's a really great promotions, American users on GAF are really envious of us :p

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They did? When? But yeah, if they put him in Cold Sleep, I doubt they'd keep him like this with his mind and all still inside. A bit silly of me here :shoe:

But yeah, now that I think of it, it's pretty much guaranteed Kyle WILL be in the next game, and NOT in his original body. I mean, why would they introduce him during the true ending if they weren't planning to keep him in the next game? He seems like a pretty significant character, and I'm sure Sigma didn't create it just for the lulz (and not just because he lost his arms during the simulation). They probably have a big mission for him, as I've already said in my previous message.

Besides, I'm pretty sure Sigma hadn't even created him by the time the events at the Mars simulatio took place. So you're right, there's no chance he'll be in his regular body.

That makes me think about something... Do you think Sigma was present during the Mars simulation incident? If yes, (lol, dumb, we already know he was there... he lost his arms :p) Why? I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of its leaders/masterminds.

But one thing I'm reaaaaaaaaaaaallly interested in learning is how Sigma and Akane came to meet each other. They sort of talked briefly about it during K's childhood flashback, but I'd like to know why Akane went there in the first place. Maybe it's Sigma who gave her the idea of making the first Nonary Game?

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Hah, and the US people just get a special "never before released in the US" version of the Donkey Kong arcade game after purchasing one of several $40 games on the eShop. Do you have bundles in the UK where you get a 3DS with a game preloaded on it? I know there are bundles that have NSMB2 or Mario Kart 7 preloaded in the US. Not sure if that applies to the XL though.

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At the very end of the super ultra true ending, Kyle's name became ??? when he was talking and Akane said that he wasn't Kyle. As far as I can remember, at least.

I think they said that Kyle was a backup just in case Sigma failed or something... but I can't imagine that being his only purpose.

It seems to me that Akane chose Sigma for her plan to save the world. Sigma had no knowledge of her or anything going on before he was knocked out in his car. I suppose Akane is able to sense if someone can develop strong skills related to the morphogenetic field. Or maybe she somehow saw the future again. Her actual reason for choosing Sigma is unclear. And what about Phi...

Remember how Sigma moves in the timeline (arrow represents time travel direction, = means displaced): At college, knocked out => Nonary game <- After "kidnapping", Mars incident, preparation for Nonary game <- passed out in car/waiting for his Nonary game to end in the past => post Nonary game

Upon success, the timeline splits at the Mars incident and he doesn't need to hold the Nonary game.
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Ok. After completing the game and finally being able to click on those spoiler buttons I'd like to rant about things that bothered me.

Spoiler: spoilers about everywhere
Wow where to start...
1: Everyone (except for luna) is a total dick. Aside from the true ending everyone leaves the facility after gaining 9bp. This made all my other ally - ally decisions really sour. Thanks for the trust? Up yours, you'd all betray and leave when given the chance.

2: The ending is really vague. I had to look up various stuff on the internet to place all the pieces of the puzzle together. And even then the story asks much leniency about how far fetched theories can get while the player is assumed to just assume it's ok.
After reading everything twice and some explanations on the internet I can see the logic and the approach more clearly, but still, in the game it feels like they are grasping at straws.

3: I was also pissed the ending allowed you to go back in time to see the ruins of radical 6, but not see you overcome it and saving humanity. It could be a major part in the announced sequal (which I found out like 20 minutes ago), but I'm a guy that loves an end where everybody is happy. Now I feel like I finally found a rope to pull myself out of quicksand, but everything ends before I touch the rope.
In Addition: because of this mentality I consider the 'Luna' end as a true ending. slightly twisted, but luna's happy, sigma is happy ergo I'm happy.

4: Alice and Clover. And with this I mean the way they are dressed. Clover developed into a really loveable character in 999 (No not in the beginning since she's moody all the time and eventually strikes you down with an axe, the bitch). I was really happy that she made another appearance in VLR, only to find out she's fan service. Since her in game purpose was being an esper, it could have been more people beside her. Or even better, give her a new jacket. Now her purpose is to maintain the minimum of unnecessarily underdressed women girls in Japanese games. Same goes for Alice.
So remember the end in 999 where you see an egyptian lady in the desert (sure you do)? Well she has NO connection to Alice. This bothered the hell out of me.
It was a very important part in 999 that was not fully explained
you tease with that ending image in 999
you name her Alice
She looks Egyptian (and her clothes of a pharao)
BUT NO, thats all coincidence. Then they insult you further with a her background being a really good student and the secret organisation etc. In the flashback she looks normal enough (some heavy make-up, but ok). But suddenly she looks like a total slut that only has a necklace to cover her boobs? It's a crummy explanation (about the 999 ending) of what happened and they try to cover it up with boobs. Another punch in the gut for me.

5: Oh, and Dio should be listed under the very definition of 'total dick'. But I believe there is consensus on this part.

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1. Yup. (But you gotta love them anyway. Or K, at least <3)
2. Well that's what happens when you come up with crazy stuff like that
3. The end is a sequel hook. And I think the fanbase in general isn't very happy about it.
4. Yeah, I don't like Clover either. And about Alice having no connection go Allice, the end of 999 was a gag end. I doubt they expected to have a sequel. So when they made a sequel, they had to explain the end of 999 somehow. It's a pretty crazy coincidence... but they had to do something. (And it wouldn't have made sense if it was Allice at the end of 999--even if Allice had been real, why would she have been in Building Q, rather than the Titanic or Gigantic?)
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Hah, and the US people just get a special "never before released in the US" version of the Donkey Kong arcade game after purchasing one of several $40 games on the eShop. Do you have bundles in the UK where you get a 3DS with a game preloaded on it? I know there are bundles that have NSMB2 or Mario Kart 7 preloaded in the US. Not sure if that applies to the XL though.


Yup, there's two bundles, each with a white 3DS XL + Mario Kart 7 OR 3D Land. Oh, and there's the Pikachu 3DS XL too, Limited Edition. Very cool stuff :)

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Oh yeah, I see. Didn't notice that... there's a lot of stuff I didn't notice, actually. Will be interesting to actually replay the whole game, while knowing what's going to happen. Will be able to pick up a lot of things I didn't pick up the firt time around.
But yeah, guess that really confirms he isn't Kyle, and probably not Sigma either... Junpei maybe?! Does the writer even knows? :p

Oh, and I see for Sigma's timeline... I was always confused about the whole 'kidnapped in the car' thingy, especially with the story in VLR (it looked like he had always lived in that facility, where he studied for so many years and all. It was a bit hard to put the pieces together and all, especially since Akane explanation at the end kinda confused me a bit, with the 4th dimension and all, and his consciousness travelling in circles.

For Akane, it seems pretty clear she already knew about the Mars simulation incident, since it looks like she's been working on it several years after the envents in 999. Junpei never found her, so that means she probably knew about it even before 999... maybe she needed Junpei to save her so that she could set her plan in motion? I wouldn't be surprised if she actually learned about FTS's plan during the first Nonary Game.

The timeline splits at the Mars incident... hmmm... Why do I get the impression it'll go back much much further in time? Like, even before the first Nonary Game? At least in the Super Ultra True Ending of the Truth, where Junpei gets his beloved Akane back. Dunno, it's just a theory, but I could see that a super-secret-of-death ending.

About Phi... I'm sure she chose him because she's a C Cup :p (Senran Kagura's director, gtfo my body right nao! :D)


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1) Well, yeah, that's the point. I know I b*tched a lot about that in this thread, but when I look back at it, I realise it makes perfect sense. Betrayal isn't supposed to be something you enjoy... it's supposed to hurt/make you angry. There'd be no point in the whole AB game if everybody just chose 'Ally' every time.

2) I didn't find the ending vague, but they DO give you a shitruckmofoload of information during the true endings, it's almost a bit too much... yet, you can feel they HAD to give you all this information BEFORE the next game. I know people didn't like it (I loved it, guess I'm the minority... which is always a good thing in my opinion), but they couldn't have ended the game before (too much to say, and transition to the next game would have felt forced.) or after.

I do agree the whole explanation thing at the end could've been done a bit better, but then again the whole thing so complex

3) Why would you be pissed about that? You're asking to have the entire 3rd game in the 2nd one. :p
Well, not exactly. I'm sure that will be central, but I got the feeling the 3rd game won't just focus on the Mars simulation incident... which is anothr why they couldn't have included it in the 2nd game. That true ending was there to make a good connection between the 2 game, something the regular ending don't quite well convey.

I do believe the scene you're talking about is great, as it actually shows exactly what need to be shown (you've heard about Radical-6 all game long, and you finally get a glimpse of it. Just enough to make you realise just how terrible and terrifying it is).

But yeah, people usually don't like cliffhangers. That being said, I'm sure than when the trilogy's over, we'll all look back at that ending, and realise it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it look like.

4) I sort of agree with you on that one, though I didn't mind the fan service :p
Clover doesn't really serve any serious purpose in this game, other than 'you're needed to trigger Sigma's abilities'.
About Alice, disappointed as I was at first, I guess it makes sense... I do believe the entire 'Allice' myth was there so the participants REALLY believed they were on that boat. And I agree with BP about the joke.

5) Yeah, we all love to hate Dio. In a way, he's the best character in the game! :shoe:

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You're right, guess I didn't write the [spoiler] tag as I should have. Well... at least, it looks like nobody read anything spoilery... I hope :shoe:
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I'm sure the writer knows who's in Kyle's body since he should already know the major plot points of the next game. But who indeed?

Yeah, I guess she knew what was coming, otherwise why would she have performed the kidnapping? Perhaps the reason why Junpei was part of VLR's Nonary Game is because it was necessary for her to see into the future, just like the last pair of Nonary games? She could have had someone inflict the stress on her required to look that far into the future. Although, why would she do that in the first place? Perhaps she felt obligated to watch out for Junpei's future because she couldn't be with him? Or maybe she was able to see more than just the second Nonary game while she was going through the first one... or maybe even during the second one (less likely since she wouldn't have been as stressed). /WMG

I'm not sure why you'd think the game will go farther back in time. Of course, having the game finish by successfully containing Radical-6 at the Mars incident would be expected, and we all know that this game series loves to be unexpected, while still making logical sense.

I have no problem with the ending. It would be too much to have TWO Nonary-like games within a single game. That would double the play time! And VLR has a generous play time as is. It is sort of a downer, knowing that the world as Sigma knows it will end if he fails, but I felt more excited at the prospect of seeing how he will save the world and intrigued at what the deal is with Phi and impostor Kyle. At least nobody died in the true end, right?

I hope they won't use mostly throw away characters like Clover and Alice in the third game. We already had that problem with Lotus in 999. Can meh characters be avoided next time?

I think the most annoying thing about Alice is that nobody says ANYTHING about her necklace. At least they explained that Lotus liked to belly dance and there was a joke between Seven and Lotus about him calling her old and wrinkled. I do not recall any text that makes any sort of comment about how she's dressed. I expected at least some comedy or at least a double take when it came to her. Also, there is no way that she dresses that way during missions, right? Right???

At least they established that Alice != Allice, right?
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1) Yeah, I know, I was just kidding around. The overall plot is just so complex, it's a wonder he manages not to get lost in his own story :)
Come to think of it, it'd be a nice plot twist if the guy turned out to be Brother himself, but that doesn't seem likely... Akane would've recognised him on the spot, I think, but maybe she did, but didn't say a word. She IS wearing FTS clothes in the true ending, after all.

2) Your explanation made me think about her wearing those FTS clothes in the true ending. Maybe the reason she's wearing them is because she actually joined the group, in order to improve her abilities/try and see more of the future, one way or another? I still don't get why she's wearing them, but I'm sure it's not much because she's infiltrated. Seems a bit cliché and ''easy''.
About Junpei, your explanation does make sense, though I'm sure there's more to it... The fact that Uchikoshi said he'd be in the next game means he's going to be really crucial. The question again is : why? how? Why would he be present during the Mars simulation?

3) It's not so much about 'going further in time', rather than 'it won't be only focused on the Mars simulation incident'. The story will also focus on stuff from BEFORE the said incident, in my opinion. I don't think they'll merely go with yet another 'Nonary Game'. (I know, I've already said that before :D). And of course there's the super true happy ending with Akane/Junpei reunited as children :p

4) Yeah, I was also very excited. I already knew beforehand there'd be another game, so the lack of closure didn't bother me... I was actually expecting it. And after the lengthy explanations of the True ending, it added a little spice to the whole thing, and avoided the game ending on a dull note. In my opinion, the ending really conveys well the fact the tasks ahead (saving the world, for one) will be daunting, and that it'll take a lot of efforts to accomplish it. Even more than in VLR, where you actually needed to jump through so many possible dimensions to learn the truth.

5) I believe Lotus was there for fan service mainly, and also to link the 2nd NG in a rather loose way, but the connection's still there :)
Same for Clover/Alice, but they DID have their own story/background, and I'm sure it'll turn out to be rather important in the next game. And again, they were mainly there to link the 3rd NG with the 2nd (and 1st) ones. (At least, in my opinion).

Maybe there's something in the next game that will show us just how important they actually were :D

6) Yeah, no jokes about Alice... except in the secret files, I believe. Which was a tad disappointing, especially with Sigma being a tad pervert :p
And yeah, they confirm she's not Allice... well, Alice herself do, even though Junpei strongly suspects her to be made of Ice-9 at one point... Dunno if he was actually serious, or just kidding around.

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So, looks like Virtue's Last Reward is finally available on the Nintendo eShop in France/Germany, for 40€ (same as retail). Besides, there's apparently an update available for the game (it makes you redownload the whole game though, dunno why), but I think it's just related to the eShop release, rather than a fix for the save deleting glitch.
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Wow, it would be a complete d*ck move if only the digital copies were fixed. But like you said, that probably isn't the case here.
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I think it's probably just because I already downloaded the game through the Irish eShop, and when I booted the French eShop as usual, it detected I had the game already. Since the game was released yesterday on the French eShop, it was considered a 'newer' version by the shop, so it told me it was an update, even though it wasn't...

Or maybe it's just Rising Star Games which 'updated' the game or something, I really don't know. But yeah, doubt it fixed anything, or they would've said so.
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Well, I was just trying out my 3DS XL (got the white one with Mario Land) - no VLR yet but its really surprising how much better even something like 999 seems with the bigger screen, I can pick out more details, much easier. It makes a difference IMO. The sound is better as well, even with old earphones.
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Spoiler: EUREKA
Maybe the comment from Akane that Junpei once traveled through time like Sigma wasn't a typo... perhaps he'll experience this during the third game!
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Do you think VLR is overall better than 999? I've read various opinions on GAF the story starts slower than 999 - for me, 999 really grabbed me from the throat right from the start, the sense of intrigue and unease was often brilliant.
Shame I cant hear the US voice acting but oh well.
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Both VLR and 999 start kind of slow because there's a lot of exposition to get out of the way. Especially in VLR when there are more rules in the Nonary game. I guess VLR's start is a bit longer in this respect and it doesn't have the same sense of urgency as 999, but at least you can skip through everything later, or skip some things entirely thanks to the timeline.

It's not that bad, especially if you have some patience.
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There are loads more twists and other great stuff than 999, I cant wait :D
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Well, I was just trying out my 3DS XL (got the white one with Mario Land) - no VLR yet but its really surprising how much better even something like 999 seems with the bigger screen, I can pick out more details, much easier. It makes a difference IMO. The sound is better as well, even with old earphones.


But didn't you order VLR BEFORE the console? :adrian:
Anyway, I agree with you. The 3DS XL is a really great console, and I absolutely LOOOOVE the big screen (that I find really big even tough I also own a DSi XL!). Granted, it's not some uber-retina thingy screen, but it's really nice nonetheless. Just you wait till you get to play 3D Land with this baby... just make sure you got the 3D activated, it's just wonderful ;)

Oh, and by the way, which game did you chose? I mean, the Club Nintendo free game.. Don't forget you got till the 15th to register your console ^^

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Do you think VLR is overall better than 999? I've read various opinions on GAF the story starts slower than 999 - for me, 999 really grabbed me from the throat right from the start, the sense of intrigue and unease was often brilliant.
Shame I cant hear the US voice acting but oh well.


I usually don't like to make comparisons (especially with games from the same series, and with continuity between the games), but overall, yeah, you could say VLR is better than 999. Though personally, I see 999 more like a prequel of some sort, a bit like 'The Hobbit' for the 'Lord of the Rings'.

VLR is just so much more massive, and complex... I mean, you got pretty much 3 main timeline in the game, where in 999, you just had some variations based on which door you chose + the true ending. In VLR, there's stuff you'll only see in each timeline (like some special events and plot-related stuff). What's more, you never get to go through the same room in the entire game (for escape sequences at least, in the story parts, there's sometimes some stuff that's repeated, with small variations).

So yeah, VLR does start a bit slower than 999, but the game is, as I've said, much more complex and massive than 999. Much more.
But it's funny, because I found that 999 started way too slow when I first played it (unlike you, then). So much text reading at first... I was really NOT impressed, but in the end, I ended up absolutely loving the game.

And just my two cents, but stop asking for opinions and all... just play the game and see for yourself. ^^

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Yup, that's a pretty solid theory. Actually, that looks like the only possible theory, as I fail to see how they could have Junpei in the next game, but without him remembering anything about it in VLR. Since accessing the 4th dimension and jumping through timelines doesn't necessarily mean you'll retain your memories, it could explain why he didn't remember jumping through time. (Even though I don't remember that part in the true ending :p). And it would certainly fit with the fact Junpei's a central character (he appeared in 2 games, and will end up in the 3rd one).

Actually, you've made me wondering... what if Junpei actually ended up in Kyle's body? What if his mission was to be a vessel for his consciousness? (It might even be related to the mystery of the true true true ending... like something went bad with the transfer?)

Actually, actually, actually.... what if.... what if the character we'll be playing as in the third game IS Junpei (who doesn't remember he's Junpei and thinks he's someone else)? I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up playing as him anyway, regardless of whether he remembers it or not.

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Re: What you said about asking for opinions of VLR all the time... fair enough :D Its going to be fun discussing it proper with you guys. ^^

I chose Layton for my Club Nintendo game, I have to wait a few days for an email with a code in it I think.
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Sure will be ;)

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Oh yeah, think you already told us that... my memory can suxorz, sometimes :p

That actually reminds me, I was disappointed the code I got only worked on the French eShop... where I could only get the French version, which only has the French dub : / I was sooo looking forward to hearing Layton's might fine English. But yeah, that's a bit OT :p
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It looks like another Tumblr Ambidex Game took place. But unless somebody can tell me how to revert this stupidity (make it display full posts in chronological order as before instead of those... boxes that seem to use a ranking algorithm), it's impossible for me to follow it.

Is there any way to follow a tag on Tumblr without going insane? If the only way to do so is to get an account, I guess I'll do that... but only if I know that'll work.
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L~A, sorry only just noticed your other question :)
I ordered the console first, and then VLR when it was a bit cheaper (its since gone up in price, it was £17 when I ordered it).
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17£ ? Wow, that's quite cheap, considering Amazon had it for 22£ for a while (then it rose to 24£ for no apparent reason). Good thing you got it for cheap, then.

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So I just got my first ending on 999, risking a spoiler by coming in here but ugh Junpei is so stupid.

Spoiler: 999 bad ending
So Clover just chopped everyone up and presumably left. XP Man I'd be shocked but I'm more irritated at how dumb Junpei is. See's her running away acting all suspicious, see's a wooden handle down her back, of course it's an axe but no don't bring it up or nothing nevermind the fact she's the most crazy suspicious one of the lot right now. I'm not even sure if you can get out just by stealing bracelets, the thought had crossed my mind for sure on the other bodies but no one had thought to pick them up. Just irritated there's no way to simply say "Hey uh....she's being REAL suspicious and has an axe down her back" when you are all reunited ugh...


Guess I'll try and get a more satisfying ending.
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So I just got my first ending on 999, risking a spoiler by coming in here but ugh Junpei is so stupid.

Spoiler: 999 bad ending
So Clover just chopped everyone up and presumably left. XP Man I'd be shocked but I'm more irritated at how dumb Junpei is. See's her running away acting all suspicious, see's a wooden handle down her back, of course it's an axe but no don't bring it up or nothing nevermind the fact she's the most crazy suspicious one of the lot right now. I'm not even sure if you can get out just by stealing bracelets, the thought had crossed my mind for sure on the other bodies but no one had thought to pick them up. Just irritated there's no way to simply say "Hey uh....she's being REAL suspicious and has an axe down her back" when you are all reunited ugh...


Guess I'll try and get a more satisfying ending.


Oh I sure remember this. I also had the axe end my first time playing. After this I had a profound hate against Clover (always mopey, inhelpful etc.) and that ending was my last straw.
But keep at it. My opinion changed heavily after seeing the true ending, so don't stop playing now.
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So I just got my first ending on 999, risking a spoiler by coming in here but ugh Junpei is so stupid.

Spoiler: 999 bad ending
So Clover just chopped everyone up and presumably left. XP Man I'd be shocked but I'm more irritated at how dumb Junpei is. See's her running away acting all suspicious, see's a wooden handle down her back, of course it's an axe but no don't bring it up or nothing nevermind the fact she's the most crazy suspicious one of the lot right now. I'm not even sure if you can get out just by stealing bracelets, the thought had crossed my mind for sure on the other bodies but no one had thought to pick them up. Just irritated there's no way to simply say "Hey uh....she's being REAL suspicious and has an axe down her back" when you are all reunited ugh...


Guess I'll try and get a more satisfying ending.


Oh I sure remember this. I also had the axe end my first time playing. After this I had a profound hate against Clover (always mopey, inhelpful etc.) and that ending was my last straw.
But keep at it. My opinion changed heavily after seeing the true ending, so don't stop playing now.


XD Don't really hate the game just the fact it's so easily avoidable by anyone with eyes really.
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I imagine Junpei thought there were more important things to worry about, such as figuring out where the Number 9 door is. He will need to get his priorities straight. :yogi:
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