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You all suck for not mentioning Viewtiful Joe. He'd be the perfect character for Brawl, methinks.

Also, there IS a very high chance the game will have a Pikmin reference. Hopefully, and most likely, as a support trophy.
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You all suck for not mentioning Viewtiful Joe. He'd be the perfect character for Brawl, methinks.

Also, there IS a very high chance the game will have a Pikmin reference. Hopefully, and most likely, as a support trophy.


Very sorry. I just wonder what VJoe's special abilities would be, since in his games, they are about slowing, speeding, and warping time.

As for Pikmin, there already is a Bulborg (big red Pikmin-basic enemy) Trophy, so we know there is a Pikmin feel to it. The question is, how much?
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Mmmh, my list of people that should be included:

- An EBA. But that is unlikely to happen, as the series appear to be directed at the japanese audience (some characters from japan-only games? WTF?). Preferably Commander Kahn.

- Megaman (original) and X-storyline Zero. Perhaps some of the bosses too, like Yellow Demon, Commander Yammark and Sigma, to name a few.

- Derek Styles. Why not?

- Phoenix Wright. Obvious.

- Angry video game nerd with his ZAPPER GUN, FOUL MOUTH and POWER GLOVE!!!..... or maybe not. :gant:

- Ryu and/or Nina from Breath of Fire (original, I'd say).

- Midna.

- I've senced a distinct lack of Square Enix characters. If they ever decide to include those, I'd wagger for Black Mage, Lydia w. summons, Chrono, Caim (well, Cavia game, but it's SE destributed), Omega Weapon and FF10 behemoth as bosses.

- Gamm the dragon from Little Samson, Nes (obscure games FTW).

- The 4 big playstation hits - Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, Croc and Gex Gecko.

- Little Mac from Mike Tysons Punch-out

- Battletoad. (punchpunchpunchpunch...PUNCH! kickkickkickkick... KICK!)

... thats all I can think of for now.


....Mikker, I agree with EVERYTHING YOU SAID!
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A character? Mesays Cloud... he isn't in enough FFs like 5...(FFVII, AC (anime, Last Stand, Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core)

XD Cloud would make a good character, is he known even by non-ff fans... His buster blade would pwn... or take his motorcycle from Advent Children... Final Smash = MILLIONS OF SWORDS!!!!
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We got Zero Samus' special moves! I wanna whip people... ;_;

At the Magmar: Red Hot Kick. Viewtiful Sexy. Slow Punch...

His FS could get Sylvia and make a huge powerful love heart. =D
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Like expected, not too awesome. ZSS is still a semi-available character, after all. Her B > and B ^ are greatly similar, and her down smash seems the same as Mewtwo's in SSBM - which made him the lowest on the tier list of all characters.
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DAMN YOU ARE FAST!!!

ZeroSuit Samus moves are pretty sweet, can't wait to see if this form has a final smash.
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DAMN YOU ARE FAST!!!

ZeroSuit Samus moves are pretty sweet, can't wait to see if this form has a final smash.


I doubt it. Every character can do one Final Smash only, and Zero Suit Samus basically IS the Final Smash.
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Her moves are pretty good, though to be honest I was expexting a bit more emphisis on the whip.


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DAMN YOU ARE FAST!!!

ZeroSuit Samus moves are pretty sweet, can't wait to see if this form has a final smash.


I doubt it. Every character can do one Final Smash only, and Zero Suit Samus basically IS the Final Smash.

Except ZSS is counted as her own character, so it isn't impossible for her to have a seperate FS from regular Samus. It could also be possible to start playing as ZSS, much like you could with Sheik in SSBM, but either way can't be proven until the game comes out.
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A character? Mesays Cloud... he isn't in enough FFs like 5...(FFVII, AC (anime, Last Stand, Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core)

XD Cloud would make a good character, is he known even by non-ff fans... His buster blade would pwn... or take his motorcycle from Advent Children... Final Smash = MILLIONS OF SWORDS!!!!


Cloud is not, and has never been, a Nintendo character. Thus, there is a 100% chance that he will not appear. In any way, shape, or form. Ever.

People seem to constantly forget that Smash Bros. is a Nintendo All-Stars game. It's not a "stick together a bunch of video game characters and watch them fight" game. Snake was once a Nintendo exclusive character. He fits. Sonic has been on a few Nintendo consoles. He ... might fit, but it'd be a stretch. Cloud? Not close.

The moment that Sakurai sticks Cloud Strife into Smash Bros. is the moment that it completely loses its meaning and original theme.
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I'm starting up a Prediction Competition - viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4164 - Check it out!

The rules and setup are subject to change. Hopefully it will be solid enough so we can start scoring for next week!
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Hey, I have an idea. How about if they do only JAPAN-ONLY characters so no one in the US knows who they are, and they start flaming the Nsider forums! :}

I actually want that to happen. Anyways we need more classic characters and a Rare character(REALLY doubt this). I'd also love if there was at least one FF6 character, and MAYBE a FF7 character.
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ZSS special moves...

nice!!
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I read on Wikipedia (yeah we all now how credible that is...) that in Super Smash Brawl you could use any controller- wii remote, classic, nintendo gamecube controller... Can anyone confirm this?

Sorry, I don't feel like looking through 40 pages to see if there's an answer.
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You could just go to the news site.
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Thanks, I'm really glad to have it confirmed that you can use all 4 controllers!i really don't like the wii nunchuck...
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ZSS Special moves... I have an Idea for her Fimal Smash... remember Samus' Final Smash? It was to get rid of her power suit... but If you were to again get ANOTHER final smash as ZSS, then maybe you would get your armor back... like Samus' Spacership shows up and picks her up, and sends a powerful blast towards the enemies... and then You get your Power Suit Back...
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Her moves are pretty good, though to be honest I was expexting a bit more emphisis on the whip.


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ZeroSuit Samus moves are pretty sweet, can't wait to see if this form has a final smash.


I doubt it. Every character can do one Final Smash only, and Zero Suit Samus basically IS the Final Smash.

Except ZSS is counted as her own character, so it isn't impossible for her to have a seperate FS from regular Samus. It could also be possible to start playing as ZSS, much like you could with Sheik in SSBM, but either way can't be proven until the game comes out.

Perhaps ZSS's FS should get the suit back? The you could choose either from the menu.

Then again there is only one FS per match so you'd have to stay stuck as that character.
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I'd say it would be pretty imbalanced towards Samus if she could do a Final Smash, and BECAUSE OF THAT, do another one. They are the same character in the way Sheik and Zelda are the same character. I doubt these could do *Final Smash* *changes to the other one* *another Final Smash*.
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I think she will have a Final Smash on the fact that, for example if Mario grabs the Final Smash and performs his move, he can grab it again later in the match and perform it again. I don't see why ZZS won't have the same oppertunity.
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I think she will have a Final Smash on the fact that, for example if Mario grabs the Final Smash and performs his move, he can grab it again later in the match and perform it again. I don't see why ZZS won't have the same oppertunity.


That's no fact.
"The Final Smash is a secret skill that can be performed but once.and only after obtaining an item called the Smash Ball, which is a precious item indeed."
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But there is a chance that she gets... another one...

And then she gets one... and nothing happens? I don't believe that. If you recall SSBM the item switch... being able to increase the amount of items that appear, and decide which ones appear at all... they might bring that back... and then you turn all ietms off except for Smash Ball... and turn it to very high...

(Continuation on last post... I forgot to type it out... and then someone else posted... so It might now have been read...)
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You people infuriate and at the same time make me laugh. Oh how I'd love to shove your tear-streaked faces further up your own asses when Brawl comes out and your cockamamy theories on ZSS all crumble to dust.

Seriously, SHUT THE FUCK UP. Sakurai already said that a player can only perform one Final Smash per match. That should be regardless of "character switches" midbattle, regardless of the Smash Ball's frequency in appearance, and I think it would be doubly so for a character you have to actually USE a Final Smash in order to access.
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The whip is coolbut I wish it could be used more.
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Tinker wrote:
That's no fact.
"The Final Smash is a secret skill that can be performed but once.and only after obtaining an item called the Smash Ball, which is a precious item indeed."


http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic02.html

This pretty much crushes my theory to hell, kinda forgot about the rules around the final smash. Guess not item frequency is going to change it either I guess.
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
You people infuriate and at the same time make me laugh. Oh how I'd love to shove your tear-streaked faces further up your own asses when Brawl comes out and your cockamamy theories on ZSS all crumble to dust.

Seriously, SHUT THE FUCK UP. Sakurai already said that a player can only perform one Final Smash per match. That should be regardless of "character switches" midbattle, regardless of the Smash Ball's frequency in appearance, and I think it would be doubly so for a character you have to actually USE a Final Smash in order to access.

Umm exceuse me but... I don't remmeber him saying that.
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Here's a better question.

When ZSSamus is KOed, does she come back as Samus, or Zero Suit Samus? And if as Samus, is there any way she can shed her suit again without the Final Smash?

Methinks she comes back as Samus, and can shed her suit by hitting Taunt, much like Kirby shed his copied ability with Taunt. That way, after she uses FS, she can be Samus and ZSS. Whacha think? :)
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Magmar's Fury wrote:
Here's a better question.

When ZSSamus is KOed, does she come back as Samus, or Zero Suit Samus? And if as Samus, is there any way she can shed her suit again without the Final Smash?

Methinks she comes back as Samus, and can shed her suit by hitting Taunt, much like Kirby shed his copied ability with Taunt. That way, after she uses FS, she can be Samus and ZSS. Whacha think? :)

nah... too confusing... 0_o
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Confusing my ass. That's as basic as the Kirby Swallow ability. If you can understand that, you can understand this.
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I really want to see Kirby be as strong as he was in the very first game.
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XD Yeah, I know... I was just being Sarcastic...

Now, Its just that... if you can Taunt and remove the armor... then why would they bother making her lose it in her final smash?
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Magmar's Fury wrote:
Here's a better question.

When ZSSamus is KOed, does she come back as Samus, or Zero Suit Samus? And if as Samus, is there any way she can shed her suit again without the Final Smash?

As nice as idea as it is, It's not gonna happen.

If ZSSSamus gets KOed, she would come back as Normal Samus. She has several ways to recover from a fall or a knock away like her whip, if a player fails to saves her, they shouldn't be rewarded with a second chance. They need to shake it off, accept that they messed up and go back to playing as normal Samus.

If they let her comes back as ZSS, they would have to let other characters come back in their Final Smash forms. Do you think they would let Bowser comes back as the Untouchable Giga Bowser or Fox in the Landmaster Tank after he accidentally Barrell Rolls of the edge of the stage? No, because of this rule as mentioned earlier in this thread: "The Final Smash is a secret skill that can be performed but once and only after obtaining an item called the Smash Ball, which is a precious item indeed." Also, It would add a massive imbalancement to the nicely balanced fighting system.
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That is if the player started off as Samus. However, I do believe that ZSS could be her own selectable character, so it's possible that one could come back as ZSS. We'll just have to find out once the game comes out.
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ZSS's moves are bland, but necessary although I'd like to see if she has a final smash through another smash ball.
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It's pretty much said that ZSS is only available through Final Smash, and that Final Smashes can only be done once a fight. Also, when Samus dies, she'll come back in full, with suit on - seeing as ZSS basically IS the power of the Final Smash of hers.
Remember the Ice Climbers? When Nana died, and long afterwards Popo, they both came back at the same time.

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Today's Updates have come straight from the kitchen: Cook Kirby!

Cook Kirby is Kirby's Final Smash which we have seen in the original trailer but we get a few more details. Kirby plops on a Cook's Hat and slams down a giant pot which sucks in Kirby's enemies and prepares them for the main course. After a little marinating and simmering, several items will pop out and then the enemies are blasted out like a cannon into the air.

We also can comfirm the return on the Maxim Tomato and the Warp Star, 2 Kirby-themed items returning from Melee.

Also, We get a music update and it's Ashley’s Song from WarioWare Touched! It has the vocal which comes in 2 different flavors: English and Japanese.

Bon Appétit!

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Today we had two updates. The first is Ashley's Them from WarioWare: Touched!, complete with vocals and a rather upbeat rhythm for a supposed witch.


The second is Kirby's FS, Cook Kirby. He basically throws everyone and everything on the stage into a large pot and cooks them into a random item.


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As nice as idea as it is, It's not gonna happen.

If ZSSSamus gets KOed, she would come back as Normal Samus. She has several ways to recover from a fall or a knock away like her whip, if a player fails to saves her, they shouldn't be rewarded with a second chance. They need to shake it off, accept that they messed up and go back to playing as normal Samus.

If they let her comes back as ZSS, they would have to let other characters come back in their Final Smash forms. Do you think they would let Bowser comes back as the Untouchable Giga Bowser or Fox in the Landmaster Tank after he accidentally Barrell Rolls of the edge of the stage? No, because of this rule as mentioned earlier in this thread: "The Final Smash is a secret skill that can be performed but once and only after obtaining an item called the Smash Ball, which is a precious item indeed." Also, It would add a massive imbalancement to the nicely balanced fighting system.

Except there's one large difference between Samus's final smash and those of the other characters, in which ZSS is a permanent transformation as opposed to a timed, momentary one. Having her return to suited form simply by hopping off the stage completely undermines the idea of balancing out her FS, or even having ZSS to begin with. Otherwise it would just be a "quick kill, wear them out with ZSS, then suicide to power up again" sort of thing, and I don't think they'd let it go to such a broken state.
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Wow, did I spark a debate!

I feel that ZSSamus would come back as Samus, but the ability to taunt makes her able to change into ZSSamus for the fight (and come back as Samus, of course, if KOed). What's the point of bringing up all the hype about ZSSamus if you can only play as her once, one stock, possibly injured because you've been doing fighting? It's like Sheik, Trainer's Pokémon, and Kirby's morphs: they have their own moves so that they can be more complex.

If not Taunt, I'm sure there can be a way to revert Samus into ZSSamus after she's used her FS, maybe a strong explosion or a smash attack at random knocks off her suit. Samus/ZSSamus is like Zelda/Sheik: one is slow with hard hitting moves, the other is really quick with damage gathering moves. But Sheik is easily available to those who want to play as her, so should ZSS.

*goes to bathe sore fingers in cold water*

About today's updates... FINALLY! Kirby's FS! And wow, does that look fun! Who doesn't love roasting your foes? Nice to see the Warp Star is back. And Ashley's Theme is great, been waiting for a Wario-themed music.
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Huh. Apparently the Japanese version got some sort of music update at the very bottom of the Kirby FS one, just above Ashley's Theme. Don't know where it comes from, though it appears to play while Kirby cooks.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Huh. Apparently the Japanese version got some sort of music update at the very bottom of the Kirby FS one, just above Ashley's Theme. Don't know where it comes from, though it appears to play while Kirby cooks.


Whoa! What other freebies have the other languages got that we've missed? Prejudist against english, discrimination!
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