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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:51 am
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Spoiler: Wait a second...
If Sigma is shown to be Zero at the end and he's old - was he Young Sigma in Old Sigma's body? So why/how did Tenmyouji come to a conclusion I'm not Zero when he sprayed me with luminol? And that means Ten must have seen Zero in the Director's Office too


Spoiler: ZE3
How are they going to keep the mystery of where the characters are, who Zero will be etc - I mean I dont think June was the original Zero - so:
999: Love interest
VLR: Main player in the game
ZE3: ?
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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grim_tales wrote:
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Alkolto wrote:
Edit:
Spoiler: Whaaaaaat
So I was scrolling through a blog that posted a bunch of screenshots of the game because I get asked about what certain rooms look like, and I can't be bothered to go back and take the screenshots myself. And then I saw this...

http://blog-imgs-51.fc2.com/y/u/u/yuuna ... 247bb7.jpg

I guess you couldn't really tell unless you looked really closely.

Spoiler:
Yeah, I noticed in my playthrough that that was the only time they ever showed Sigma's head...

Not that you can see anything since it's so zoomed out.

(Or at least, I didn't notice anything when I played ^^')


Whaaaat? When was this? I can't recall this shot.


In the room with the computers with Phi.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:47 pm
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Spoiler:
You mean in the security room? Crap, I'll have to check that one...


Still thinking of ideas for ZE3 I can't quite think how Uchikoshi will keep things fresh.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:50 pm
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grim_tales wrote:
Spoiler: Wait a second...
If Sigma is shown to be Zero at the end and he's old - was he Young Sigma in Old Sigma's body? So why/how did Tenmyouji come to a conclusion I'm not Zero when he sprayed me with luminol? And that means Ten must have seen Zero in the Director's Office too


Spoiler: ZE3
How are they going to keep the mystery of where the characters are, who Zero will be etc - I mean I dont think June was the original Zero - so:
999: Love interest
VLR: Main player in the game
ZE3: ?


Spoiler:
Yes, during all of VLR's Nonary Game (not counting the jump back to Young Akane), Young Sigma was inhabiting Old Sigma's body. Remember the timeline I mentioned? I was following his consciousness. His body does NOT jump through time. Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to jump and survive after a mortal injury, like slashing his throat in the Clover ending.

Tenmyouji didn't know who Sigma was, young or old. The Luminol was to prove that Sigma didn't stab Akane, while Dio was proven to have stabbed her with the Luminol. I don't think that had anything to do with him being Zero or not.

Also, I'm pretty sure that only Sigma saw the Zero hologram, and of course Sigma didn't recognize his older self.

Technically Santa was Zero in 999, but both Santa and Akane were involved in pulling off the game. It's the same in VLR really: Sigma did a lot of work to get the game running and named himself Zero while Akane collaborated. I would be very surprised if Akane was in a leading role in whatever ZE3's game is going to be though... Perhaps some sort of supporting role at one point, but I'd be very surprised if she had a major role in it.


EDIT: I edited the end of that.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:55 pm
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Also had a thought about
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The GAULEM Bay room - what was the point of that name tag? I didnt know if you were supposed to do anything with it and then when I escaped the room I was like "Forget the tag, THE ROBOT'S TALKING!" :o


Spoiler: Zero
I remember a bit where Ten sprays me and Phi in the Rec room and then says "Neither of you is Zero Sr.", maybe he thought whoever stabbed Akane was Zero Sr. so... Sigma didnt stab Akane>Sigma isn't Zero, in his mind..
Akane (in the costume) kidnapped YS but I got the impression Sigma is Zero Sr. and Akane helped out.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:01 pm
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grim_tales wrote:
Also had a thought about
Spoiler:
The GAULEM Bay room - what was the point of that name tag? I didnt know if you were supposed to do anything with it and then when I escaped the room I was like "Forget the tag, THE ROBOT'S TALKING!" :o


Spoiler:
According to a walkthrough, the name tag was part of the frequency puzzle in that room. Apparently that combined with the frequency list should have lead you to conclude that you needed to tune it to 400 MHz.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:35 pm
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Thanks :)
Spoiler:
I just got that frequency puzzle by trial and error, didnt even bother with the name tag I thought it would be the Gaulem's name or something xD


It's kind of amusing that
Spoiler:
Tenmyouji was actually Junpei - I remember we speculated at the time and I joked on here "What if the old dude is Junpei?" but never thought that might actually be true xD


Spoiler:
IMO its just weird that Sigma never saw his reflection, I mean why didnt he look in any of the computer monitors or see his reflection in the pond the first time he was in the garden?! But when you do it right at the end, my brain exploded.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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grim_tales wrote:
It's kind of amusing that
Spoiler:
Tenmyouji was actually Junpei - I remember we speculated at the time and I joked on here "What if the old dude is Junpei?" but never thought that might actually be true xD


Spoiler:
IMO its just weird that Sigma never saw his reflection, I mean why didnt he look in any of the computer monitors or see his reflection in the pond the first time he was in the garden?! But when you do it right at the end, my brain exploded.


I just beat this game last night, so now I can look in this thread yay!

Spoiler:
As I got progressively further into the game, and I learned about Quark coveting Root Beer Floats I kinda guessed that outside there was some kind of apocalypse goin on which would mean that we're somewhere in the future. The whole radio dialogue helped confirm that too. When Tenmyouji started talking to Clover and Alice all cryptic-like I had a slight hunch that he was Junpei, and I also guessed that Clover and Alice were two out of the three people in the TP's. Then there was the photo of Akane and then I got sad when I started piecing some more stuff together.

Then we have the whole "Hey Sigma! Turns out your not in a 22 year old body, but yourself as a 68 year old! So all the sexual harassment and swimsuit obsession doesn't really work for you. This also means that Phi can't be your romantic interest in your current state!"

My brain then had to digest all the information of Jumping from A to C back to B then continue on to D so we can experience the end of the world back to A and do everything ALL over again and then we can all enjoy the luxuries of happy endings in line E.

Looking forward to ZE3. I'm hoping this wraps up the series nicely with a happy ending where everybody will be together forever until the end of time. I miss the "I've never been in an elevator alone with a man before" Akane, and not the "I'm a cryptic cold old woman" Akane.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Sooo... I look away for one second (errr... more than 24h, actually :p), and two persons have already completed the game. :shoe:

I'd love to answer to all the theories, but it's not really possible, and I don't quite have the time for that... However, that just made my VLR-withdrawal even worse, and I want to just go and launch the game asap. Unfortunately, that'll have to wait a little bit.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Spoiler:
Bahaha, I never made the connection that Sigma would look ESPECIALLY weird doing those perverted things like going crazy over the scratch-off poster! I suppose that could explain why the others generally were like "what are you doing" instead of the normal "PERV! *smack*" kind of reactions.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:11 pm
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Spoiler:
When Tenmyouji started acting weird around the old lady I guessed they might be connected - maybe she was his wife? And then when he had a photo of Akane I had my suspicions he was Junpei and I was proved right - not to mention he says he trusts Clover more than anyone. Remember that true end scene from 999?
Yeah I agree with you, I thought they were in the future - in Dio's ending I thought they were on Mars or something :D
But I also wondered why often Tenmyouji seems hesitant and distant, when Quark was going ape shit he just stood there, WTF :D
I didn't twig the "Sigma is old" thing at all really - OK so he was a bit inappropriate *cough* but all through the game I thought come on, he's a good looking young man, it would be wrong NOT to like the look of attractive girls :D
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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grim_tales wrote:
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When Tenmyouji started acting weird around the old lady I guessed they might be connected - maybe she was his wife? And then when he had a photo of Akane I had my suspicions he was Junpei and I was proved right - not to mention he says he trusts Clover more than anyone. Remember that true end scene from 999?
Yeah I agree with you, I thought they were in the future - in Dio's ending I thought they were on Mars or something :D
But I also wondered why often Tenmyouji seems hesitant and distant, when Quark was going ape shit he just stood there, WTF :D
I didn't twig the "Sigma is old" thing at all really - OK so he was a bit inappropriate *cough* but all through the game I thought come on, he's a good looking young man, it would be wrong NOT to like the look of attractive girls :D


Spoiler:
When I saw Dio's ending I instantly thought they were on the moon, but I just didn't have any solid evidence supporting it since everything looked so brown and not grey. It might've been the solar eclipse that produced that reddish color.
I didn't mind the sexual harassment throughout the game, but when Sigma's face is FINALLY shown, I mean the first thing that bothered me in the game was how Sigma wasn't included in the group standing in front of the AB results scree, it just kinda seems really really awkward now that a 68 year old man with cybernetic arms and a weird cybernetic eye that can probably see through clothes tries to get Phi, Clover, and Alice into swimsuits.

Though the cat puns are still pretty hilarious.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Spoiler:
Why would he ask Clover and Alice for 'swimsuit time' anyway? They're wearing LESS than a swimsuit FFS (particularly Alice) xD
I did initially think of the desert, moon or distant planet on Dio's ending - or maybe some fake moon simulator :p
Also why does Sigma never touch his own face throughout the game? Maybe Zero Jr. made the screens non reflective so Sigma wouldnt try to look at himself...
Actually that reminds me of the "He scarcely recognised himself line" in 999 when Junpei looks in the mirror.
'What's up with my face...?'
Also they explained Phi jumping really high by the fact they're on the moon and there's less gravity etc. OK, so why cant they all jump high? Even Sigma and Tenmyouji should have been able to jump higher than usual for old people.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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grim_tales wrote:
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Why would he ask Clover and Alice for 'swimsuit time' anyway? They're wearing LESS than a swimsuit FFS (particularly Alice) xD
I did initially think of the desert, moon or distant planet on Dio's ending - or maybe some fake moon simulator :p
Also why does Sigma never touch his own face throughout the game? Maybe Zero Jr. made the screens non reflective so Sigma wouldnt try to look at himself...
Actually that reminds me of the "He scarcely recognised himself line" in 999 when Junpei looks in the mirror.
'What's up with my face...?'
Also they explained Phi jumping really high by the fact they're on the moon and there's less gravity etc. OK, so why cant they all jump high? Even Sigma and Tenmyouji should have been able to jump higher than usual for old people.


Spoiler:
Eh, in some places a swimsuit would reveal more. I guess he may also be obsessed with the concept more than the, uh, visuals.

If you remember, there was a somewhat reflective surface in the crew quarters, but it strangely only reflected the numbers in the puzzle... tricky. I guess Sigma never had a reason to touch his face.

That line from Junpei was more of a comment on how pale and gaunt he looked from being knocked out for a period of time.

I'm sure that Sigma could have jumped high if he wanted to, but he never had a reason to jump.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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grim_tales wrote:
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I didn't twig the "Sigma is old" thing at all really - OK so he was a bit inappropriate *cough* but all through the game I thought come on, he's a good looking young man, it would be wrong NOT to like the look of attractive girls :D

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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Spoiler:
I was thinking, won't the chronology of the next game be a bit confusing? It's the third game, but if its set in between the first and second...? If Akane was Zero, and the bunny was Zero 3, does that make Old Sigma Zero 2? And in Ten's ending if he knew who Zero Sr. was at that point, why didnt he tell everyone? Mind you if he'd said "Zero Sr. standing in front of me" - Sigma would have been like "!!!!!!!!"
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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About keeping things fresh :

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Well, I've already said it several times already, but I believe there won't be a proper NG, as opposed to 999 and VLR. It's just a gut feeling, but I think it's definitely a way for Uchikoshi to keep things 'fresh'. Not that there wouldn't be any sort of game, but I think there might be something special...

For example, we could imagine FTS ''hijacking'' the experiment for their own purposes. After all, Radical-6 was spread worldwide after this incident, and that's definitely somethig they'd do. Remember also that Akane told us the facility was full of traps (that's how Sigma lost his arms)... now I'm sure those traps weren't there to begin with (I mean, it's a Mars simulation :p). Maybe the whole thing was actually set up by FTS.


About who our bro might be :

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I believe it's blahmoomoo who talked about that a while ago, but it could be possible Santa MIGHT be Brother. If I remember correctly, Brother founded FTS after a relative (was it mentionned the sex of that person?) was murdered or something. Now think about 999 : Akane ''died''. Santa ''saw'' it happen.

What if Santa became Brother after, in a different timeline, Junpei and co failed to save her?
Funny thing is, I realised you could think the same for Snake. Remember how enraged he becomes in the regular 999 ending, when he learns Ace killed Clover?

It would also explain why Akane's wearing FTS clothes during the True ending too. Would make sense she'd be part of it, if she wanted to stop his brother from destroying the human race. It'd also fit with the fact Brother seems to be an old man (you learn that when you confront Dio in the infirmary, during the true ending path), just like Akane and Junpei are old people in VLR.

One more thing : If you follow that theory (which is invalid, I know that :p), then the first NG is directly linked to the Mars simulation. Here would be a potential ''timeline'' :

Akane got killed during the first NG > Santa becomes Bro > founds FTS > incident during the Mars simulation > Radical 6 spreads and humanity is doomed. But then, Akane access the morphogenetic field > tells her brother what will happen in the future (which might be why he decided to buy shares in Cradle) > decide to have a second NG to save herself > she go and meet Sigma and prepared a 3rd NG > send him to stop the incident at the Mars simulation > go even futher in time in order to stop the very first NG to even happen > Happy Ending, Jumpy and Kanny get married and have 9 children.


Yeah, I know it's more fanfiction than anything else, but that's certainly interesting. Maybe there's a small nugget of truth in what I've just said (in my dreams, maybe :p).

Though there's one thing for sure : the events in the 3rd game will go quite far in the past... I'm pretty sure Akane will try to prevent the first NG (as stated above), and I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to prevent Brother's relative to get murdered.


Oh, and one last thing :

Spoiler: Sigma's dearest wish come true
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One very last thing :

Spoiler: Appearances
One of the reason other people didn't question Sigma's appearance is, well... There's K. He's wearing a robotic suit. No doubt Sigma'd almost look normal in comparison


Spoiler: True ending
It's the Chunparunya (or whatever it's called) in young Sigma's body at the end of VLR. :shoe:
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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This might be wrong but:

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Uchikoshi said in one of his answers (maybe Twitter), that Dr. Sigma fell for the "Original" (Human) Luna, but she rejected him, so he programmed Robo-Luna to fall in love with him? I don't buy that, its far nicer IMO if she did it of her own accord... not sure what to think though...


Spoiler: About keeping things fresh
Hmmm.... the idea of there not being a Nonary Game - maybe the traps is how Sigma lost his eye/arms, or maybe he lost his arms because Original Luna's husband or something took revenge :D
I'm just not sure if Santa is the leader of FTS/Brother - he was on Akane's side in 999 but then again....
If theres no Nonary Game though it sounds like a different tack to the previous two, no real twist as to where they are (we know its the Mars test site) or who Zero will be...
I guess you could still have the traps that would be the games puzzles - and there could be a Zero-like figure...


Then again, we only seemed to 'know' a lot of VLR based on what we saw in 999, and yet it still managed to surprise (IMO). So hopefully he has twists and tricks up his sleeve!
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He did say that, didn't he?
Well, my original theory was that Diana (that's the ''real'' Luna btw, the one you hear on the tape... the one who says she killed 6 billion people with Radical 6) got killed, and he created a GAULEM after her).


Spoiler: Fresh 'n fresh
Well, of course he'll manage to surprise us. And by 'no NG', I don't mean there won't be some sort of game, but it probably won't be like anything we've seen before. From the looks of it, it'll probably be real tense and horrifying (bit like the 9th man's death).

Mind you, it's just my gut feeling, I wouldn't pretend to know what Uchikoshi is going to do. But why would that mean no big plot twist? If anything, it'd probably the opposite : we've already had two NG, with a plot twist about the actual location... it'd be hard to do it again in the 3rd game.

About my theory : it's not likely, as I've already said. There's a big hole in it : indeed, why would he help Akane in 999 if he's Brother. You could get away by saying it's his consciousness from another dimension, etc... But it'd be like grasping at straws. Real hard :p
It's just me having fun by coming up with theories.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Spoiler:
I did notice the explanation that the Zoom function thing is Old Sigma's eye - surprised no one really mentioned Sigma's eye - then again, one mentioned K's suit very much apart from Sigma himself.
I think the main character in ZE3 will be Kyle in someone's body (but we dont know who) - I dont want too many 'returning' characters..
That's a good point - if we have a different 'game' maybe the bigger plot twist can be different - for example, we know next to nothing about Phi. Who is she? Why does she look like Santa? Female clone? Maybe SHE set Radical 6 off?
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Spoiler:
Heh, maybe that's why nobody mentioned ANYTHING about Alice's appearance. But even so... not saying anything about that still seems strange.

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The VLR answers state that Robot!Luna fell in love with Dr. Klim out of her accord.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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THE FUNYARINPA IS REAL! DO YOU BELIEVE ME NOW? APOLOGIZE TO THE FUNYARINPA!!!


Of course I believe you. I mean...

Spoiler: Zero Escape 3
Come on, we all know the three games are just one of the Funyarinpa's dream, nothing else.


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The zoom feature comes from his eye?! Does that mean that Junpei got one too? :p (You could also 'zoom' in 999... Funny thing, when I replayed 999, I tried to go back to the 'normal view' the same way as in VLR, and always ended up examining something by mistake :p)

I think playing as Kyle is indeed quite likely. I mean, Akane DID send us back in time. Though Uchikoshi could surprise by making us believe we're playing as Kyle, then we actually 'meet' Kyle. Now that I think of it... we could actually be playing as Phi. That would be a really nice twist.

Nope, I think it's very unlikely Phi set Radical-6. The tape makes it pretty clear it's Diana/Luna, by ''accident'' (meaning FTS is probaly behind it).

And I'm sure Phi looking like Santa is a coincidence. Could be wrong, but I'd be quite disappointed if she was just a clone or something.


Personally, I don't mind if there's lot of returning characters from 999/VLR.

Spoiler: I mean...
As long as they have a clear and interesting role (unlike Clover and Alice... even JunpeiTenmyouji), I really don't mind. It could be really interesting if we're playing as a new character/Kyle who doesn't know those returning characters. If it's just fanservice/filler, I'm not that interested...

Maybe a few of the 999/VLR characters would get killed in this game?


Spoiler: Alice
Maye everybody was just too busy staring at her big boo... to actually ask her anything. Or maybe she appeared too fierce for anyone to risk bothering her :p
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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L~A wrote:
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I believe it's blahmoomoo who talked about that a while ago, but it could be possible Santa MIGHT be Brother. If I remember correctly, Brother founded FTS after a relative (was it mentionned the sex of that person?) was murdered or something. Now think about 999 : Akane ''died''. Santa ''saw'' it happen.

What if Santa became Brother after, in a different timeline, Junpei and co failed to save her?
Funny thing is, I realised you could think the same for Snake. Remember how enraged he becomes in the regular 999 ending, when he learns Ace killed Clover?

It would also explain why Akane's wearing FTS clothes during the True ending too. Would make sense she'd be part of it, if she wanted to stop his brother from destroying the human race. It'd also fit with the fact Brother seems to be an old man (you learn that when you confront Dio in the infirmary, during the true ending path), just like Akane and Junpei are old people in VLR.

Spoiler:
I thought Brother had a brother (ba-dum-tish) named Left who died, and Dio (and possibly Quark, according to some theories) is one of the many clones of Left that Brother made as part of FTS... or something like that, at least
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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kwando wrote:
Actually... No.

Spoiler:
The VLR answers state that Robot!Luna fell in love with Dr. Klim out of her accord.


Spoiler:
I assumed that was the case (it makes the whole scene so much better), but was also sure I read something different as well?
I think he actually fell in love with Luna too. Of course at that point I didnt know the twist, but I found it striking when you strip away (pun intended) the swimsuit jokes to Phi, Alice etc, Sigma actually has a very sweet and mature relationship with Robo Luna <3 Could this be a sign of his age and wisdom?


@L-A,
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Diana is Luna's (the original) real name I assume? I didn't know that. Surprised Robo Luna didn't mention that in her story actually


On returning characters:
Spoiler:
Fair point - if we're playing as New Character/Kyle who doesnt know the old characters it could be interesting - or someone who we think is a completely new character but is revealed to be someone else (eg Tenmyouji/Junpei). But I agree with you, I don't want simply fanservice/filler. I hope Uchikoshi is smarter than that but I'm sure I've read stuff like "If we get enough feedback for Character x, we may put them in", fanservice for its own sake shouldnt be the case with this game IMO. The story drives the game.


Spoiler: Endings:
Do you ever find out Zero 3's actual identity in VLR (not just "lagomorph") in the gold files or something? I remember we joked on here that Junpei was Zero 3 xD
I'd have liked the true true ending to have credits as well, and maybe a scene with Zero 3 babbling about the next game, just to an empty warehouse - creepy and wacky at the same time.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Spoiler:
Zero 3 is old Sigma, who jumped to the past before the game started and got displaced back at the end of the game by young Sigma jumping.

Right?
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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No I meant
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Zero 3 as in 'Zero Jr' (the bunny) - Zero (Sr.) is in the game was Old Sigma of course :D
Actually thats an interesting point - is Old Sigma Zero 3 or 2? Was Akane from 999 the first Zero or maybe there was one before her?
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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L~A wrote:

About who our bro might be :

Spoiler:
I believe it's blahmoomoo who talked about that a while ago, but it could be possible Santa MIGHT be Brother. If I remember correctly, Brother founded FTS after a relative (was it mentionned the sex of that person?) was murdered or something. Now think about 999 : Akane ''died''. Santa ''saw'' it happen.

What if Santa became Brother after, in a different timeline, Junpei and co failed to save her?
Funny thing is, I realised you could think the same for Snake. Remember how enraged he becomes in the regular 999 ending, when he learns Ace killed Clover?

It would also explain why Akane's wearing FTS clothes during the True ending too. Would make sense she'd be part of it, if she wanted to stop his brother from destroying the human race. It'd also fit with the fact Brother seems to be an old man (you learn that when you confront Dio in the infirmary, during the true ending path), just like Akane and Junpei are old people in VLR.

One more thing : If you follow that theory (which is invalid, I know that :p), then the first NG is directly linked to the Mars simulation. Here would be a potential ''timeline'' :

Akane got killed during the first NG > Santa becomes Bro > founds FTS > incident during the Mars simulation > Radical 6 spreads and humanity is doomed. But then, Akane access the morphogenetic field > tells her brother what will happen in the future (which might be why he decided to buy shares in Cradle) > decide to have a second NG to save herself > she go and meet Sigma and prepared a 3rd NG > send him to stop the incident at the Mars simulation > go even futher in time in order to stop the very first NG to even happen > Happy Ending, Jumpy and Kanny get married and have 9 children.


Yeah, I know it's more fanfiction than anything else, but that's certainly interesting. Maybe there's a small nugget of truth in what I've just said (in my dreams, maybe :p).

Though there's one thing for sure : the events in the 3rd game will go quite far in the past... I'm pretty sure Akane will try to prevent the first NG (as stated above), and I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to prevent Brother's relative to get murdered.




Spoiler:
Not sure if Santa being Brother holds ground since Brother's brother Left was the one that got murdered which is how Dio got his real name. Unless Akane and Santa had another sibling I don't see it being very likely. Also, since Ace was a follower of FTS and he carried out the first Nonary game in accordance to its beliefs. So Santa being Brother is ruled out.


Spoiler: Snake/Light
He's dead. Clover can't contact him anymore and she doesn't to be too concerned about that fact :sadshoe: .
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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I find it highly unlikely that
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Akane/June would actually be a member of FTS, an organisation who kidnapped her as a little girl, made her play the first Nonary Game and completely messed with her head, turning her from a sweet girl into a vengeful person (understandably in some ways). Maybe she was going in there as a spy or something and thats why she had the robes on.
Also I found the scene in Young Akane's ending with the newsreader commiting suicide really quite chilling. :( Less is more.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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grim_tales wrote:
No I meant
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Zero 3 as in 'Zero Jr' (the bunny) - Zero (Sr.) is in the game was Old Sigma of course :D
Actually thats an interesting point - is Old Sigma Zero 3 or 2? Was Akane from 999 the first Zero or maybe there was one before her?

Spoiler:
I'm not sure what you mean by that... Zero 3 was just an AI made by Sigma.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Bad Player wrote:
grim_tales wrote:
No I meant
Spoiler:
Zero 3 as in 'Zero Jr' (the bunny) - Zero (Sr.) is in the game was Old Sigma of course :D
Actually thats an interesting point - is Old Sigma Zero 3 or 2? Was Akane from 999 the first Zero or maybe there was one before her?

Spoiler:
I'm not sure what you mean by that... Zero 3 was just an AI made by Sigma.


Spoiler: 999
Ace is the first Zero.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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OK, good point :D
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If Ace was the original Zero, Akane must be Zero II. Does that make Old Sigma himself Zero 3 then (even though that was also the AI, confusing)? I have to say when I saw the hologram I thought it would be Santa from 999 or maybe even Ace


I've been on the lookout for more VN's - while I'd love to play Ever 17 I can't get it to work right now - what else would you recommend similar to 999/VLR in terms of story/amount of twists?
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But Lord Gordain (or w/e his name was) had also hosted Nonary Games. Plus there could be yet another Nonary Game in ZE3...

I think you guys are thinking wayyyy too much about numbering the Zeros xP
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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grim_tales wrote:

I've been on the lookout for more VN's - while I'd love to play Ever 17 I can't get it to work right now - what else would you recommend similar to 999/VLR in terms of story/amount of twists?
Thankyou ^^


Uhhh I'd recommend G-Senjou no Maou. It's got a fantastic soundtrack, an interesting story of crime and suspense, and awesome characters. However, be warned that it is an eroge so there are H-scenes in it. Not for the faint of heart.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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Thanks ^^ I've been trying to get some of these to work but no luck so far.. :( I'm giving Katawa Shoujo a try which is more a romance though (?) and runs fine ^^
Anyway, I hope ZE3 returns to the moody, horror atmosphere that 999 had. Hopefully its going to be amazing, especially if its the size of VLR.
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Thanks ^^ I've been trying to get some of these to work but no luck so far.. :( I'm giving Katawa Shoujo a try which is more a romance though (?) and runs fine ^^
Anyway, I hope ZE3 returns to the moody, horror atmosphere that 999 had. Hopefully its going to be amazing, especially if its the size of VLR.


I've got a ton of VN recommendations for you if you want. I got my start playing VN's/eroges after playing Katawa and I loved it.
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Thank you! ^^ Will send you a PM after I've given Katawa Shoujo a go :)

Spoiler: VLR
The girl Sigma was trying to save and lost his arms/eye to was Diana (the real Luna) right? Is it possible the old Sigma creates Luna 2.0 in her memory? I kind of like that, its romantic <3 But I'm not sure if Sigma had met Luna by then?
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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grim_tales wrote:
Thank you! ^^ Will send you a PM after I've given Katawa Shoujo a go :)

Spoiler: VLR
The girl Sigma was trying to save and lost his arms/eye to was Diana (the real Luna) right? Is it possible the old Sigma creates Luna 2.0 in her memory? I kind of like that, its romantic <3 But I'm not sure if Sigma had met Luna by then?


Please don't steal my theories. Go and make your meown, damnit! :shoe:

But hey, I was half serious with my theories about our 'mutual bro', don't take them too seriously :gant:
True, some parts sort of ''fit'', but that's pretty much it.


@grim_tales : yeah, definitely check Katawa Shoujo. It tends to get real serious at some parts (it IS about disabled persons after all!), but it's a very enjoyable experience so far.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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I'm sorry! :pearl:
Spoiler:
Another theory I have is that Phi is either connected to Sigma, Santa or you (the player) in some way because the symbol for Phi looks like a Zero divided in two... that was the cryptic hint Uchikoshi gave wasn't it?
What about if we think we're playing as Kyle in the next game but we're actually playing as Phi? And perhaps the 'twist' will relate to something other than the game's location (think you may have suggested that one too).

When Luna asked me if I was a robot, I thought I was and everyone else was a robot too :D


I hope the feel/atmosphere is darker in Game 3. Not that VLR wasn't good, it just didnt have quite the same atmosphere as 999. Perhaps a happy medium can be reached without intense meddling from the suits higher up to Uchikoshi.
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Re: [PAL as well!] Virtue's Last Reward: 999 Sequel (3DS/VitTopic%20Title
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That's an interesting theory, I didn't know anything about that cryptic hint.

Spoiler:
I think you're on to something with that symbol. It would explain why Phi doesn't explain anything in the super secret ending... Then again, the super true ending explains so very little, and doesn't explain SO VERY MUCH A LOT.


About the 3rd game, it definitely looks like it'll be much darker than VLR.

Spoiler:
I mean, since Akane says the facility was full of traps... Meaning it won't be standard puzzles where you can't be hurt, unlike 999, and especially VLR. Sigma DOES loses his arm. A virus spreads.

I definitely want it to be darker, and with more tension... Though we already know there'll be more tension, for the reason stated just 2 lines above :p


Anyway, once I'm done with Luigi's Mansion 2, and provided there's no major release following, I might just start VLR again. I've been itching to replay it for a while now, but I'd like to take the time to play it at my own pace. Which means no more than 1h30~ per day. Besides, ZE3 won't be out for a very long while, so I'm not in any hurry anyway :o
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