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Cat the problem is we can't guarantee how quickly people will go straight for the weakness. First time they won't outright know it. They might attempt to ignore the little fellow in favour of Yukiko herself. They might try and spend time buffing at the start. Then the party needs to spend time healing until they've clocked onto your strategy which wears down your (at that point) relatively small pool of SP.


Which is similar to how Final Fantasy XIII's bosses (not Eidolons) tend to smack Doom onto your leader as a way of saying, "Your currently applied strategy is not working in this fight. Try it again." And while SP is definitely low at the beginning and difficult to maintain decently healed*, it can be done with smart fighting. It's a Persona game, smart fighting is practically a requirement and something you learn very, very fast. Not to mention, simply one round of fighting will tell you that you shouldn't ignore the little Prince minion.
Certainly, a player will have to guess for the appropriate weaknesses and what not (an issue in SMT IV as well) but... well, logic. Yukiko's castle is filled with enemies that use Agi, so naturally you'd think Bufu is necessary. Ditto on Shadow Yukiko and the Prince being red. Not a big indicator, but a good hint to the fact that they might be weak to ice.

* technically you can get those Sodas from the vending machine in front of Shiroku for a nice SP healing every day from what I've read. I personally haven't used it yet, though.

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Actually I don't especially remember there being a pattern to the enemies of the dungeons. Definitely not along the lines of "this is the fire dungeon" or "this is the electric dungeon" but it's been a while since I've played the game still I don't think this weakness to ice is as obvious as you make it out. In fact in the process of writing this I found evidence that shows the weaknesses of Yukiko's castle are actually decidedly varied and don't obviously favour ice. I do remember using a soda now and then but a new player might not have discovered it yet.

You say the game makes you learn to fight smart quickly and yeah...that's done with Yukiko. A great number of enemies in her dungeon don't even USE elements so you don't have much experience with elemental weaknesses being exploited or at the very least the battles don't last long enough for you to suffer from it. After all if you can knock down the enemy that causes the problem then all is good. Yukiko is a protracted fight where you can't nullify the source of the weakness. It actually gives you a reason to fight tactically and use abilities like Red Wall or make Persona's that are fire resistant and actually use the Guard function.

It's a wake-up boss. Yes Persona 4 like you said makes you learn smart fighting very very fast, Shadow Yukiko is just the graduation exam.

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@Cat: To be perfectly honest. My first playthrough, I didn't know that guarding at the time would prevent weakness damage from happening. I initially thought that it'd just reduce damage. Again, I really wonder how many people were aware of it because to my recollection, the earlier Shadow bosses teach guarding, but I don't think it did a good job at explaining the extra things it does. Also, if I recall, unless you're lucky, isn't the only healing spell you have Dia at the time?

Your setup is what I know now, but going into the game blind the first time, I had no idea about half that stuff. Guess I'm not as RPG genre saavy as I should be.

And honestly my first playthrough, Kanji was easier. Maybe not so much as I understood the mechanics better (I did), other than luckily finding an exploit in his AI. By that point in the game, I found out how useful debuffs were, and debuffing Kanji made his teammates get rid of them instead of attacking me, so I used them every turn.

Like you said, Persona 4 you gotta fight smart. I believe Yukiko is a wake up boss because she's really the first boss that you do have to fight smartly and she teaches you that. Before the game is a breeze. If you go in with the mindset that the game has been easy, you get your butt kicked. She's not hard when you know what to do, but for first time players, yeah she is.
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That was the entire point of the previous bosses like Shadow Chie and Shadow Yosuke. Shadow Yosuke required Zio to defeat and Shadow Chie required Garu to defeat and she was also the boss showing you, "Haha, not so fast! Bosses can get rid of their weakness by using an elemental barrier!"

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That was the entire point of the previous bosses like Shadow Chie and Shadow Yosuke. Shadow Yosuke required Zio to defeat and Shadow Chie required Garu to defeat and she was also the boss showing you, "Haha, not so fast! Bosses can get rid of their weakness by using an elemental barrier!"

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I actually meant on YOU the party.
Shadow Yosuke might have got a wind hit on you if he was lucky but the fight was designed to teach you about blocking attacks and Teddy outright prompts you to block after he does Power Charge so it's unlikely you'd get knocked down much.
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you don't have much experience with elemental weaknesses being exploited


That was the entire point of the previous bosses like Shadow Chie and Shadow Yosuke. Shadow Yosuke required Zio to defeat and Shadow Chie required Garu to defeat and she was also the boss showing you, "Haha, not so fast! Bosses can get rid of their weakness by using an elemental barrier!"

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I actually meant on YOU the party.
Shadow Yosuke might have got a wind hit on you if he was lucky but the fight was designed to teach you about blocking attacks and Teddy outright prompts you to block after he does Power Charge so it's unlikely you'd get knocked down much.


...in which case, it would prove to you that Guarding prevents Weakness hit, because from what I recall, Izanagi did leave you vulnerable to Wind. Proven in the first boss fight.

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Yeah Cat it wasn't me who claimed the game never taught you. However in that scenario it's telegraphed. Shadow Yukiko doesn't have a scripted pattern like Shadow Yosuke does making blocking her fire attacks on Chie a random chance.

:ron: I can't help it but everything I read from you comes off as very aggressive and derisive.

I think it's mostly in how you ignore most of what people say and focus in on the one part you think you have a solid argument against.

For example from the rest of my post:
* Shadow Yukiko is the first drawn-out battle with an enemy that has an attack that can exploit a weakness.

*No despite what you said the rest of Yukiko's dungeon is not especially weak to ice in particular, thereby hinting at what to use in her fight.
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I recall encounter a lot of I-forget-their-names... I think they were called magic hands? Hand-shaped enemies, I think they were wearing pink-with-white-dots onesies in Yukiko's castle. And they used Agi a lot. Also, as mentioned, the area was heavy on red as was Shadow Yukiko herself and that indicates fire often in games. And, by a stretch if you want, Chie and Yukiko are depicted as opposites of each other: and with Chie's Persona using Ice, being weak to Fire, logical conclusion is that Yukiko, as her counterpart, uses Fire and is weak to Ice.
Granted, Shadow Yukiko ISN'T weak to ice in P4 (the Prince is) but the idea still stands.

Also, pretty sure previous battles, whether boss, miniboss or regular battles, were just as capable of being drawn out that can hit a weakness. On a technical standpoint, Narukami himself is a walking danger of being exploited until you create a Persona and have it equipped that has no elemental weaknesses.

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I recall encounter a lot of I-forget-their-names... I think they were called magic hands? Hand-shaped enemies, I think they were wearing pink-with-white-dots onesies in Yukiko's castle. And they used Agi a lot. Also, as mentioned, the area was heavy on red as was Shadow Yukiko herself and that indicates fire often in games. And, by a stretch if you want, Chie and Yukiko are depicted as opposites of each other: and with Chie's Persona using Ice, being weak to Fire, logical conclusion is that Yukiko, as her counterpart, uses Fire and is weak to Ice.
Granted, Shadow Yukiko ISN'T weak to ice in P4 (the Prince is) but the idea still stands.

Also, pretty sure previous battles, whether boss, miniboss or regular battles, were just as capable of being drawn out that can hit a weakness. On a technical standpoint, Narukami himself is a walking danger of being exploited until you create a Persona and have it equipped that has no elemental weaknesses.

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No actually it doesn't. Red also is well associated with Royalty and VIPs due to red carpets which fit the rest of theme. Yukiko is also routinely shown wearing Red, so "Fire" is not the first connection I'd make going through that dungeon.

Also you've went from "a lot of enemies" enough to establish a pattern you implied to, "magic hands" which (if they are the hand type enemies I'm thinking of) are the rare kind you get that offer bonus rewards.

Regarding previous bosses and weaknesses let me think...you have Shadow Yosuke Shadow Chie and the Knight?
Shadow Yosuke- Not a drawn out battle, you are told when to block his strong attack.
Shadow Chie- Uses Mazio which will hurt Yosuke, if she ever had the chance to because she has a weakness to wind and will spend the entire fight on her ass because of it.
Avenging Knight- Only uses Physical attacks.

So no it's not that bad, you'll note I mentioned in previous battles you can normally nullify a weakness-causing attack by knocking down enemies which is why Yukiko is so harsh...because there's no way to stunlock her.

No Cat I really don't think it's as obvious as you make it. Yes it's easy to spot things in hindsight but I stand by the belief Shadow Yukiko, first time through would be a wake-up boss for a new player.
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Also, pretty sure previous battles, whether boss, miniboss or regular battles, were just as capable of being drawn out that can hit a weakness.

I'm pretty sure they weren't. And I didn't even bother with fusion at that point.
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To make it final on my part, I'll agree with Pierre about Yukiko for a first time player. All the stuff I've said is from my own personal experience. And if the game made it VERY obvious about blocking being used to knock off a weakness at the beginning of the game, either it's easily missable or I'm just very stupid, and I had been playing jRPGs for years. And it was my first Persona game.

As for Cat's opinion, I agree with it, but only for repeated playthroughs. While I see in hindsight that the game uses Yosuke's fight to teach you about blocking your weakness, it's more made out to reduce damage and doesn't address the weakness blockage. I see it now though, but I really don't think the game does a good job of explaining some in depth mechanics. It's more of a figure it out for yourself thing, which is what I believe Yukiko's boss serves as.

And again, Yukiko is the first boss that doesn't choreograph her attacks (Golden not included). And no, my first time, I didn't know she had a full party, overabusive fire attack, so again, it's easy to mess up. Again in hindsight, she's quite easy. Just not the first time. While I despise her being nerfed for Golden, I think it was done moreso for first time players so they wouldn't rage quit. And yeah, I've known many who have rage quitted at Yukiko before as first time players.

And if we really wanna go into bosses that I found hardest, it was Mitsuo for me. Believe it or not, my first playthrough then, I still didn't have a full grasp on needing Persona with status healing. Because up to then, status problems weren't really a thing in my playthrough and I didn't think it important. I didn't die, but wow did my mistake make that boss last an hour.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)


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And it was my first Persona game.


Ditto for me, I still found her easy.

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it was Mitsuo for me


Agree, he was an annoying butt-pimple to deal with. I like the retro idea behind the dungeon and fight, but the baby's crying began to bug me very quickly. Can't say the status ailments bothered me much, I had collected a lot of items for it, I guess. What did bug me was when I had to redo the fight and couldn't skip the scene any faster.

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Also you've went from "a lot of enemies" enough to establish a pattern you implied to, "magic hands" which (if they are the hand type enemies I'm thinking of) are the rare kind you get that offer bonus rewards.


I mentioned a personal experience when going through, I encountered a lot of Magic Hands and they used Agi, clueing me in even more.
Also, purple was also a very highly known color for royalty, yet Princess Yukiko doesn't wear it.

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Shadow Yosuke- Not a drawn out battle, you are told when to block his strong attack.


Which is indicative to weaknesses not being triggered when guarding. I guess it can be forgotten if one doesn't remember that Izanagi was weak to wind, that doesn't change the fact that it is indicative of said mechanic.

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Shadow Chie- Uses Mazio which will hurt Yosuke, if she ever had the chance to because she has a weakness to wind and will spend the entire fight on her ass because of it.


I've had fights with her where she liked using Green Wall, so that wind didn't knock her on her ass, FYI. So she can be a slightly drawn out boss fight, with possibility of hitting your party weaknesses and getting rid of her own weakness.

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Yes. He also uses crits.

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And again, Yukiko is the first boss that doesn't choreograph her attacks (Golden not included)


I still have no idea what you mean by choreographing her attacks... :eh?:

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I still have no idea what you mean by choreographing her attacks... :eh?:

They follow a pattern. For example, Shadow Yosuke follows a pattern of Wind of Oblivion -> Power Charge -> Attack -> Block, rinse and repeat. Shadow Yukiko doesn't follow any set pattern.
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I still have no idea what you mean by choreographing her attacks... :eh?:

They follow a pattern. For example, Shadow Yosuke follows a pattern of Wind of Oblivion -> Power Charge -> Attack -> Block, rinse and repeat. Shadow Yukiko doesn't follow any set pattern.


I never noticed a pattern against any enemy in P4.

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I mentioned a personal experience when going through, I encountered a lot of Magic Hands and they used Agi, clueing me in even more.
Also, purple was also a very highly known color for royalty, yet Princess Yukiko doesn't wear it.


So what? You are allowed to make these grandiose claims about how it's easy and you can't understand how other people struggle before boiling it down to "well it was my personal experience"? No you open with the "it was ok for me" rather than the "That person is crap" argument. It is much less offensive that way.

Also so what about purple? That's got nothing to do with anything. The point was you argued the element to use was easy because the red colouring on the wall telegraphed Yukiko's Fire element (even though Yukiko isn't actually weak to ice and elemental resistances and weaknesses don't work in an obvious way in this game). I was saying how red is sooner associated with the 'royal theme' and Yukiko in general before I would assume fire. Whether purple is royal or not does not matter at all.

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Which is indicative to weaknesses not being triggered when guarding. I guess it can be forgotten if one doesn't remember that Izanagi was weak to wind, that doesn't change the fact that it is indicative of said mechanic.


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Yeah Cat it wasn't me who claimed the game never taught you. (about guarding)

I get that the game is teaching you how to block elemental attacks at that point, though you don't know what elements Yukiko will use until you enter her fight.

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They follow a pattern. For example, Shadow Yosuke follows a pattern of Wind of Oblivion -> Power Charge -> Attack -> Block, rinse and repeat. Shadow Yukiko doesn't follow any set pattern.


I get that people might fail to notice these but it's a scripted battle. The point I'm making is: guarding is only ultimately effective if you know when the attack is coming. The party shouldn't overly struggle with weaknesses here because you are told to block the one attack that would knock you down.

Likewise with Chie, she might knock someone down because she can use Mazio (which makes no sense, see my earlier point about elements being nonsense in this game) which would hurt Yosuke bad. However you can knock her down which renders her pretty much worthless for the entire fight as you can just keep her down so she never gets a turn. You never experience an actual threat from her.

Edit: Actually I looked it up. The only way Shadow Chie casts Mazio is if Yosuke GUARDS after she gazes at him. Otherwise she uses bottomless envy. Yeah...there's nearly no chance you'd actually experience elemental weaknesses in a boss before Yukiko.

Yukiko doesn't have a weakness, has a tonne more HP than the others. Assuming you don't know what's coming, odds are Chie will eat a fire attack at some point. Whats that no red wall? Better have her guard forever because she is just a liability at that point giving the enemy extra turns as she has a few hit-all moves. At that point Shadow Yukiko has basically nullified one of your party members and in doing so your ability to knock down the Charming Prince who has some NASTY moves of his own.

Your argument relies on the team knowing what's coming beforehand, as I've demonstrated your hunch isn't logical at all. There is no dominant-fire theme to the dungeon, there's no evidence that elements work logically on SEVERAL levels (Shadow Chie doesn't use her own element, Fire melts Ice in reality anyway, some things have multiple elements).

Yeah, Shadow Yukiko is a pretty challenging boss. It's easy to see these things in hindsight, but you shouldn't call anyone who struggled:
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In fact that's a good general rule for life: Don't belittle anyone's thing as you don't know how difficult it was for them. It might be an achievement to them even if it seems insignificant to you. They might be on the verge of thinking something's a waste of time but are proud of this bit they achieved before you belittle them and convince them it's not worth doing.

In general: Think before slinging out the insults.
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Whats that no red wall? Better have her guard forever because she is just a liability at that point giving the enemy extra turns as she has a few hit-all moves. At that point Shadow Yukiko has basically nullified one of your party members and in doing so your ability to knock down the Charming Prince who has some NASTY moves of his own.


Did you not read my original steps in this battle? Have Chie use Bufu on the Prince, when she has a once more, guard. She's not guarding 100% of the time. If anything, I'd more say 50% since she is still a big use in this fight. :ron:

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I will not. Depending on the situation, I may simply go for a sarcastic comment (like that girl who posted a picture of herself without any make up on, revealing her large fire-hematoma in her face, and got insta-success on the internet for it: great that you're able to be without a mask, just don't make a huge-ass deal out of it, after all, I go out without any make up on and I don't get any attention for it) but Spoony has repeatedly proven himself to be a terrible person, both off-camera and on-camera.
He is not informed about things he reviews, he complains about things he doesn't understand in a game when the reason he doesn't get it IS his fault and overall never manages to come across as informed to me.

So, at the very least, in Spoony's case? I will continue to insult him without hesitation.

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I will not. Depending on the situation, I may simply go for a sarcastic comment (like that girl who posted a picture of herself without any make up on, revealing her large fire-hematoma in her face, and got insta-success on the internet for it: great that you're able to be without a mask, just don't make a huge-ass deal out of it, after all, I go out without any make up on and I don't get any attention for it) but Spoony has repeatedly proven himself to be a terrible person, both off-camera and on-camera.
He is not informed about things he reviews, he complains about things he doesn't understand in a game when the reason he doesn't get it IS his fault and overall never manages to come across as informed to me.

So, at the very least, in Spoony's case? I will continue to insult him without hesitation.


Ok...I'll add "adding pointless things as examples" to my list of your usual tactics.
This isn't about Spoony, I've got no idea who he is and don't care who he is. This isn't about insulting him, this is about how you insult EVERYONE who ever found Yukiko difficult and thereby act as if you are better than them. Plenty of people struggle with Yukiko it doesn't mean "They suck, suck major balls."

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Did you not read my original steps in this battle? Have Chie use Bufu on the Prince, when she has a once more, guard. She's not guarding 100% of the time. If anything, I'd more say 50% since she is still a big use in this fight.


This requires the prior knowledge that:
1: The Prince is weak to Bufu
2: Yukiko will use fire (thus prompting you to guard).


Finding out that the Prince is weak to Bufu would take at most two turns (if you tested Yukiko for Bufu weakness first). If you don't know Yukiko uses fire there's a chance that Chie will be hit as you'd have no reason to block until then.
Also your plan only works until the Prince dies, then Chie is effectively nullified without Red Wall.
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The second problem is that the boss fights just weren't... good. They would be okay if you didn't have to face them over and over again. The large ones in particular are just aggravating, especially the one that can spit gunk which can clip through the back of its head. Doesn't help when the final boss in the good path only has two attacks: one which can only hit people who went to the Prometheus school of running away from things, the other which is just plain cheap.
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Found a copy of MadWorld for $8. I've been wanting to play this game for years but haven't been able to because, y'know, M rating. I'm excited, but I'll probably have to wait until I finish these last few days of school before I start playing.


Oh it is certainly one of a kind :kristoph:


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Argh! I fight the boss just before SMT IV's alignment lock, had to redo it several times cause Mamudoon and Ancient Curse - I finally do it and answer the questions, hoping I did everything for neutral path and I get Jonathan! Argh, I need Neutral Path this time around! I refuse to do the whole Ginza stick of wasting money, just so can get Laura Bailey Nozomi some damn WINE. (Unfortunately that IS a necessary quest for neutral path)

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So Cat, by you not responding to my last post I guess we're done then? That would be the usual way for you to bail on a discussion.
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Hey, take it to PM, why don't you?

So, got a question. Aside from their rarity, what's the point of shiny Pokemon? Also, would someone mind giving me a rundown of what the different natures do?
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Hey, take it to PM, why don't you?

So, got a question. Aside from their rarity, what's the point of shiny Pokemon? Also, would someone mind giving me a rundown of what the different natures do?


If the discussion is over then there is no need to go to PM.

Also Shiny Pokemon are just there for rarity and bragging rights it makes no different to the pokemon's performance that I know of.

As for Natures, natures determine the EVs of a pokemon, how much they'll gain per level in a particular stat. There's a fair number of neutral natures but most mean enhancing one stat at the cost of another.

Here's the info for you along with a list of what specific natures affect what stats.
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So, got a question. Aside from their rarity, what's the point of shiny Pokemon? Also, would someone mind giving me a rundown of what the different natures do?


They're shiny.

And with one simple change in answering with the 2nd Option instead of the 1st Option, I got onto SMT IV's Neutral Route. Yaaaaay!

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So, got a question. Aside from their rarity, what's the point of shiny Pokemon? Also, would someone mind giving me a rundown of what the different natures do?


They're shiny.

And with one simple change in answering with the 2nd Option instead of the 1st Option, I got onto SMT IV's Neutral Route. Yaaaaay!

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C'mon Cat I addressed you directly, at least give me the courtesy of an answer: Are you finished discussing Yukiko's boss battle and insulting other people based on difficulty with it?
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Hey, take it to PM, why don't you?

So, got a question. Aside from their rarity, what's the point of shiny Pokemon? Also, would someone mind giving me a rundown of what the different natures do?


If the discussion is over then there is no need to go to PM.

Also Shiny Pokemon are just there for rarity and bragging rights it makes no different to the pokemon's performance that I know of.

As for Natures, natures determine the EVs of a pokemon, how much they'll gain per level in a particular stat. There's a fair number of neutral natures but most mean enhancing one stat at the cost of another.

Here's the info for you along with a list of what specific natures affect what stats.


Thanks, that website helps.
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Hey, take it to PM, why don't you?

So, got a question. Aside from their rarity, what's the point of shiny Pokemon? Also, would someone mind giving me a rundown of what the different natures do?


If the discussion is over then there is no need to go to PM.

Also Shiny Pokemon are just there for rarity and bragging rights it makes no different to the pokemon's performance that I know of.

As for Natures, natures determine the EVs of a pokemon, how much they'll gain per level in a particular stat. There's a fair number of neutral natures but most mean enhancing one stat at the cost of another.

Here's the info for you along with a list of what specific natures affect what stats.


Thanks, that website helps.


Yeah pokemon is crazy when you get down to the number crunching xP
Makes me miss the simplicity when it first came out but no doubt there'd be an outcry if they ever tried to simplify their formula at this point. Too many people fond of the heavy metagame. Hell there were people who were mad at Super Training in Gen VI because it made it "too easy" to EV train which was a nightmare before that.
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C'mon Cat I addressed you directly, at least give me the courtesy of an answer: Are you finished discussing Yukiko's boss battle and insulting other people based on difficulty with it?


The insult was directly directed onto Spoony (I am not sorry for that) and I have several times pointed out several points WHY Yukiko is easy to figure out, even without doing a "Well I fought her unprepared, now let me reload and go into the battle knowing what I'm doing" battle first. :ron:

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C'mon Cat I addressed you directly, at least give me the courtesy of an answer: Are you finished discussing Yukiko's boss battle and insulting other people based on difficulty with it?


The insult was directly directed onto Spoony (I am not sorry for that) and I have several times pointed out several points WHY Yukiko is easy to figure out, even without doing a "Well I fought her unprepared, now let me reload and go into the battle knowing what I'm doing" battle first. :ron:

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At last check I rebuffed all of your points with (as far as I could tell) facts. You then dropped the conversation rather than reply to those issues.

Your insult may have been directed onto Spoony but the reasons behind the insult apply your insult to a wide range of people. If you want to say "I hate Spoony" that's fine but if you want to say "I hate Spoony because X" then you insult everyone who X applies to.

I struggled with Yukiko at first, I know I'm not alone in that, you insult one person on the ground of struggling with Yukiko and you are actually insulting a great deal of people. If you'd even known other people struggled with Yukiko that would call you out on it, you would probably still have went ahead and posted the insult. As such now you need to deal with the consequences, so lets talk this through civilised like. I'm still waiting to hear your reply short of "I thought I already said?".
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Hey Pierre, while I disagreed with Cat on most of her stuff, can I ask you to take this to PM if this must continue? In my opinion, the discussion is over. Everyone agree to disagree once more and move on.
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I don't get why people think I hate Seymour from FF X cause he's different.
I don't. I hate him because he's the obviously evil guy and is a horrible Plot Tumor that expands so much that I easily forget that I'm supposed to fight SIN and not SEYMOUR.

Also, in SMT IV, I have the neutral path. Meaning I can get the Neutral Path exclusive Fiend... which I spent about 50 minutes wasting by trying the WRONG way to get it to spawn and last patience after about 20 minutes doing it the correct way. (When will developers learn that an RNG, especially here with Fiends having a 1/256 chance of spawning in a precise area, IS NOT FUN? IT'S ANNOYING)

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PS: Why does Satoko have boobs? It's weird and unsettling.
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OMG I KNOW! I GOT SO HYPED WHEN I SAW IT ON STEAM
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Today I finally finished off Outlast:Whistleblower. It was really fun and I enjoyed it a lot. My favorite boss was the crazy barber guy....DEAR GOD THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WAS DISTURBING -Shudders in terror- :viola: :beef: :beef:
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HOLY SHIT YES HIGURASHI IS ON STEAM DO WANT ALL THE NEED

PS: Why does Satoko have boobs? It's weird and unsettling.

kinda like the series itself right

What's the deal with the vastly different character designs in the preview? My physical copy just has the ugly art. :sadshoe:
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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HOLY SHIT YES HIGURASHI IS ON STEAM DO WANT ALL THE NEED

PS: Why does Satoko have boobs? It's weird and unsettling.

kinda like the series itself right

What's the deal with the vastly different character designs in the preview? My physical copy just has the ugly art. :sadshoe:


Maybe, but it's at least slightly more believable Mion/Shion have back-breaking breasts. And slightly less creepy than your average hypersexualization. SLIGHTLY.

Until 90% of Kira where all pretense is thrown to the wind and it crosses over from "vaguely squicky" to "this is absolutely disgusting and the payoff punchline doesn't even slightly make it worth it".
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Today I finally finished off Outlast:Whistleblower. It was really fun and I enjoyed it a lot. My favorite boss was the crazy barber guy....DEAR GOD THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WAS DISTURBING -Shudders in terror- :viola: :beef: :beef:


...Barber guy? :ron:

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Today I finally finished off Outlast:Whistleblower. It was really fun and I enjoyed it a lot. My favorite boss was the crazy barber guy....DEAR GOD THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WAS DISTURBING -Shudders in terror- :viola: :beef: :beef:


...Barber guy? :ron:

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I'm more surprised to hear Outlast has Boss Fights? Doesn't Outlast subscribe to the Amnesia school of Horror where you can't fight back?
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I'm more surprised to hear Outlast has Boss Fights? Doesn't Outlast subscribe to the Amnesia school of Horror where you can't fight back?


Well they're not really "boss fights" or "fights" at all... it's more like you have your general dangers, like falling off of something or some of the "standard" people in the Asylum beating you to death, which you have to get away from. And then there are the more important "named" people like Gluskin, the Frumpty Tuba guy (I forget his name) and the doctor whose name I also forget.
They are more dangerous and you can't really escape from them once they get you.

When you do "fight" them, it's actually an automated scene. If it's a scene where you are supposed to advance, you won't be hurt and are safe, if it isn't, you die. The "fights" were originally designed to be QTEs but they decided differently and are now just automated events.

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