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Missed the Smashin', as I thought. Mainly due to my laptop imploding on itself, and I've been offline pretty much everywhere. Just got it back and it's been fixed. Finally 
Apologies to everyone, though. If anyone wants a game, I'd be happy to give them one.Also regarding Smash, the time not being online DID give me time to play by myself and unlock pretty much every challenge (besides the time-based ones). That includes beating Classic Mode on 9.0. Thank you, Captain Falcon's knee
. The game's great but I do wanna rant, if you'll give me a moment.Like I said, it's great. But a bit lazy in some areas. My main focus is Ganondorf, who still remains a Captain Falcon clone, and Wario (who's gimmick is just being gross). Instead of making Ganondorf more unique, Sakurai chose to add Dark Pit/Dr. Mario, who in my opinion have no place on the roster. I'm okay with them, but if I had the choice, I'd prefer them to not be there in place of making the rest of the cast more diverse. Like with the two I'm talking about. Ganondorf has nothing that seperates him from just being a stronger Captain Falcon, and Wario (besides a few things) is missing everything from Wario Land. Does that series not exist or something? All he seems to represent is WarioWare. There are so many power-ups from Wario Land which could be used in his move set, but nope. Let's add Dark Pit instead.
Another thing that kind of bugs me is how much bias there is for Kid Icarus here. I'm looking at my trophy list (I don't have them all, so there's more for both sides, I know). Here's how many there are for Kid Icarus (a series with 3 games, two of which being on handheld). Disregarding playable character related ones, it's 51. For Metroid, where 4 of which are on handheld (I'm saying this because I realise they're putting greater emphasis on handheld things for the 3DS Smash), 9. Already, there's a massive difference. And I'll be the first to admit, it's because they're in Smash Run, that these Kid Icarus enemies have trophies. But they could have easily put in many other enemies from a different series. 'Cause I'm looking at my trophy list and the most represented are Mario and Pokemon (obviously) and Kid Icarus. Even in the music list, it topples many other franchises. Metroid, two songs. Wario, two songs. Animal Crossing, two songs. Kid Icarus, six songs. Two of which are entitled Dark Pit/Dark Pit's Theme.
I've got nothing against the series, but when the creator pushes other franchises aside in favour of it (in a game that is supposed to cherish as many established series as possible), it kinda pisses me off. Especially when said franchises deserve better (and considering the limitations of the 3DS, you'd think they'd try to represent every smaller series equally).
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As for Wario I really don't know why they are distancing themselves from Wario Land. Wario doesn't even have his trademark shoulder charge anymore. Used to be his side smash he'd power up his shoulder charge and ram them, now it's just a rather underwhelming punch. I mean they recognise Wario Land insofar as he has an alternate costume from his original Wario outfit and Wario Land days, just don't get why they'd tune him like that.
Still here's hoping that the Wii U version fixes some of the Kid Icarus bias.
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Both handheld Kid Icarus games are great whereas the handheld Metroids are divisive at best
Uprising is more recent than the most recent handheld Metroid
It's nice that KI's finally getting a little recognition
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Sakurai worked on Uprising himself
I'm aware of that
That's why I brought up the topic of bias. Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Both handheld Kid Icarus games are great whereas the handheld Metroids are divisive at best
Also aware that Kid Icarus is great, not knocking the series in any way. And aside from Metroid Prime: Hunters (which is a decent multiplayer Metroid experience) and Pinball (but nobody even counts that anyway) the handheld Metroids are great also.
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Uprising is more recent than the most recent handheld Metroid
True enough, but isn't Smash supposed to be a celebration of all things Nintendo? Not just to hype up the more recent games? The fact that a massive amount of trophies/songs/etc are coming from one game that the director of this game has made is a bit jarring, as Pierre put it. Favour should be split equally.
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
It's nice that KI's finally getting a little recognition
I'm glad Kid Icarus made a comeback, but getting recognition doesn't equal shoving other franchises out of the way. That's all I was saying. Metroid, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Wario, etc barely get anything compared to the rest of the franchises, I just feel it's somewhat unfair for Sakurai to revamp Kid Icarus and then slam every enemy/song/character into Smash while forgetting about everything else. That's all.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Sakurai worked on Uprising himself
Noted, it explains bias but it doesn't justify it.
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Both handheld Kid Icarus games are great whereas the handheld Metroids are divisive at best
What is the other handheld Icarus game outside of Uprising? Hunters might have been lacking but Fusion was excellent and really it's about celebrating the series as a whole so handheld performance isn't all it accounts for and Metroid has a greater console track record.
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Uprising is more recent than the most recent handheld Metroid
And DHD (Duck Hunt Duo) is a playable character from an ancient game. Talks of 'recent' really aren't relevant.
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It's nice that KI's finally getting a little recognition
I'd agree but I think it's getting a massive amount of recognition in comparison to other franchises. "Little" by no means.
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Pierre wrote:
What is the other handheld Icarus game outside of Uprising?
Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters for the Game Boy, released in 1991, I think. It's on the 3DS virtual console. Not sure how good of a game it is, but it exists.
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Like I said, it's great. But a bit lazy in some areas. My main focus is Ganondorf, who still remains a Captain Falcon clone, and Wario (who's gimmick is just being gross). Instead of making Ganondorf more unique, Sakurai chose to add Dark Pit/Dr. Mario, who in my opinion have no place on the roster. I'm okay with them, but if I had the choice, I'd prefer them to not be there in place of making the rest of the cast more diverse. Like with the two I'm talking about. Ganondorf has nothing that seperates him from just being a stronger Captain Falcon, and Wario (besides a few things) is missing everything from Wario Land. Does that series not exist or something? All he seems to represent is WarioWare. There are so many power-ups from Wario Land which could be used in his move set, but nope. Let's add Dark Pit instead.
I'm not entirely sure why Ganondorf has the same moveset, if not just to appease long-time Smash veterans that would've been upset by the change. It's not ideal, but at least the custom moves and equipment let you play around with his way of play to distance him further from CF, and vice-versa as well.
As for Dark Pit and Dr. Mario, I don't see how their inclusion takes away from the roster. The roster itself is much more diverse than ever before, with a bigger focus on female and niche characters, so a couple of semi-clones doesn't really bother me. It's not like anyone was cut just to make room for those two, after all.
And to Wario, that likely has more to do with Nintendo focusing on WarioWare in general. Wario himself hasn't been in a mainline Wario Land title since Shake It! in 2008, and that was the first title in that series since Wario Land 4 in 2001. At this point Wario is likely known more by the general public for the personality and powers established in the WarioWare series than in Wario Land. And while Smash is a celebration of Nintendo's history, the fighters are usually portrayed as in their most recent appearances (like Pit's overhauled moveset), hence the WarioWare focus.
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Another thing that kind of bugs me is how much bias there is for Kid Icarus here. I'm looking at my trophy list (I don't have them all, so there's more for both sides, I know). Here's how many there are for Kid Icarus (a series with 3 games, two of which being on handheld). Disregarding playable character related ones, it's 51. For Metroid, where 4 of which are on handheld (I'm saying this because I realise they're putting greater emphasis on handheld things for the 3DS Smash), 9. Already, there's a massive difference. And I'll be the first to admit, it's because they're in Smash Run, that these Kid Icarus enemies have trophies. But they could have easily put in many other enemies from a different series. 'Cause I'm looking at my trophy list and the most represented are Mario and Pokemon (obviously) and Kid Icarus. Even in the music list, it topples many other franchises. Metroid, two songs. Wario, two songs. Animal Crossing, two songs. Kid Icarus, six songs. Two of which are entitled Dark Pit/Dark Pit's Theme.
I've got nothing against the series, but when the creator pushes other franchises aside in favour of it (in a game that is supposed to cherish as many established series as possible), it kinda pisses me off. Especially when said franchises deserve better (and considering the limitations of the 3DS, you'd think they'd try to represent every smaller series equally).
I've got nothing against the series, but when the creator pushes other franchises aside in favour of it (in a game that is supposed to cherish as many established series as possible), it kinda pisses me off. Especially when said franchises deserve better (and considering the limitations of the 3DS, you'd think they'd try to represent every smaller series equally).
Creative bias aside, it's very likely that Sakurai included a lot of Uprising trophies because he had the assets ready to go. A lot of the models used for the Kid Icarus themed Smash Run enemies were ripped almost entirely from Uprising, so making trophy data for them would've been fast and easy. I wouldn't be surprised if he put them into the game first to test the system and just left them in there to bloat the trophy count. Same with the songs.
And while that does mean Kid Icarus gets more representation than other series, it's not like it's the majority of all the trophies in the game. 50 out of 685 isn't really much in the long run, and we haven't even seen the Wii U count yet.
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Kid Icarus had 3 trophies in Brawl, about 4 music tracks, and something like 5 stickers? Metroid had around 20 trophies and at least that many stickers, plus somewhere around 10 music tracks.
I love Metroid as much as the next person, but it's Pit's turn now. Deal with it.
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It's all situational and truly about preferences. I don't know why Kid Icarus in particular is getting most of the flak (except Dark Pit, which I can kinda understand?), but at the end of the day we can barely influence anything that happens in this series (especially thus not in Japan, whom tends to be heard louder).
I find that Smash is very much a lose/lose situation for Sakurai (as no one seems to blame anyone else in production, and despite that Sakurai is at the helm, he isn't personally responsible for every little "mistake"). You include Isaac, people are going to whine about how he didn't deserve it because he wasn't the main character in two of the Golden Sun games and Dark Dawn didn't sell well. You don't include Isaac, and you're ignoring a highly popular, but short lived JRPG series with a nice twist in it. Heck, the situation around Mewtwo in Melee should speak volumes about how hard it is to do anything in the series.
I'm not saying that the extra KI inclusion is good or fair. I am saying that it wasn't too horrible, and given what we have, I don't really think it takes away too much from the game.
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Though Luigi was hardly a main character in the Subspace Emissary
Spends a good portion of it unconscious. It's difficult to say who pulls most focus in that game from Meta Knight's party, Mario and Link, Fox and Diddy Kong's team and the Lucas/Pokemon Trainer combo.
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Pierre wrote:
Nah I guess I don't have an issue with the Kid Icarus thing, just noting that there's sure a lot of it comparatively in this game. Guess it doesn't really detract in anyway.
Though Luigi was hardly a main character in the Subspace Emissary Spends a good portion of it unconscious. It's difficult to say who pulls most focus in that game from Meta Knight's party, Mario and Link, Fox and Diddy Kong's team and the Lucas/Pokemon Trainer combo.
Though Luigi was hardly a main character in the Subspace Emissary
Spends a good portion of it unconscious. It's difficult to say who pulls most focus in that game from Meta Knight's party, Mario and Link, Fox and Diddy Kong's team and the Lucas/Pokemon Trainer combo.*Shrugs* Maybe not. Seemed like it to me.
Looking forward to having a joystick in a few weeks instead of the circle pad. I love the 3DS, but I find myself holding back a lot in regards to the circle pad in any given game, and using the D-Pad when able.
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Also, on Metroid's trophies in Brawl. There was a few more, I'll give you that. But most of them were models from Metroid Prime/2, though
Like I said, just needed to get it off my chest since I've been playing this game by myself since release and yesterday was the first time I've made it back here due to computer troubles, and there's a entire topic related to this game.
When all is said and done, I'm not that concerned since the WiiU version will probably be more spread out with its content. And better is every regard
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So... Have they fixed the 136 year ban glitch yet?
The what?!
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Pierre wrote:
Klonoahedgehog wrote:
So... Have they fixed the 136 year ban glitch yet?
The what?!
Apparently you get banned for the aforementioned amount of time for doing silly shit like only going after a single person in a group match. I'm guessing it was supposed to ban you for stuff for a small amount, but things got super wacky
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Klonoahedgehog wrote:
So... Have they fixed the 136 year ban glitch yet?
The what?!
Apparently you get banned for the aforementioned amount of time for doing silly shit like only going after a single person in a group match. I'm guessing it was supposed to ban you for stuff for a small amount, but things got super wacky
Well, Sakurai did say that there were stronger measures to protect against griefing, cheating, etc.
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Update: Due to some unexpected events happening in SquareMelonBread's life, we couldn't do our matches today. Will update once we work something out (Figuring out when will be best for us to do our matches, that is.).
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Pierre wrote:
Oh damn, Sir Jibbey's actually got some serious game...
(My confidence might have been shaken by a sequence of losses to friends lately)
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I created the fighting game fanatics thread Pierre! If I got beaten in the first round of the tournament I wouldn't be much of a fighting game enthusiast, would I?
I'd say you have plenty confidence left Pierre! After all, if you're assuming you're going to face me in the half-final that means you'll win from either SquareMB or BlueAttorney.
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Klonoahedgehog wrote:
The remix of Route 10 from Pokemon gen 5 in Smash Wii U is freaking beautiful... Although it feels more like a Professor Layton song rather than a Pokemon song... I'm totally making custom stage themed after Professor layton with that song playing in the background.
The whole damn soundtrack is awesome. I mean, the 3DS soundtrack was nice for what it was, but this... well, as the Direct said, it's not even comparable.
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Sjibbey wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Oh damn, Sir Jibbey's actually got some serious game...
(My confidence might have been shaken by a sequence of losses to friends lately)
*teeth chatter*
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I created the fighting game fanatics thread Pierre! If I got beaten in the first round of the tournament I wouldn't be much of a fighting game enthusiast, would I?
I'd say you have plenty confidence left Pierre! After all, if you're assuming you're going to face me in the half-final that means you'll win from either SquareMB or BlueAttorney.
Hmm I hadn't thought of that...though I disagree, there's plenty of fighting game (and actual fighting sports) enthusiasts out there who probably suck at their passion.
Pretty much the definition of a fan?In any case whether it's the half-finals or not I'm eager to rumble with you at some point.
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Sjibbey wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Oh damn, Sir Jibbey's actually got some serious game...
(My confidence might have been shaken by a sequence of losses to friends lately)
*teeth chatter*
(My confidence might have been shaken by a sequence of losses to friends lately)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th_RCCGVoW4
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
Sjibbey wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Oh damn, Sir Jibbey's actually got some serious game...
(My confidence might have been shaken by a sequence of losses to friends lately)
*teeth chatter*
(My confidence might have been shaken by a sequence of losses to friends lately)
*teeth chatter*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th_RCCGVoW4
Not 100% sure but we played around 30 matches in one afternoon. You won about 20 and I won about 10.
... because of lvl 3 xfactor Zero.
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Pierre wrote:
Oh damn, Sir Jibbey's actually got some serious game...
(My confidence might have been shaken by a sequence of losses to friends lately)
*teeth chatter*
(My confidence might have been shaken by a sequence of losses to friends lately)
*teeth chatter*
Yeah. He really cleaned my clock, as it were.
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Sjibbey wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
Sjibbey wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th_RCCGVoW4
Not 100% sure but we played around 30 matches in one afternoon. You won about 20 and I won about 10.
... because of lvl 3 xfactor Zero.
'Cause I didn't go nuts with lvl 3 x-factor Akuma or anything or end up with Nick out of Turnabout Mode and just press buttons hoping I'd get a lucky attack, no Sir
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So my friend grabs a Kirby star and starts plummeting towards me.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Only three more days until the U.S. release of the Wii U version. Anyone else going to a midnight launch? Considering I'm also getting three amiibos with the GCN bundle of the game (and Pokemond OR/AS as well), my wallet is already crying...
I'm just getting it shipped to my house...
Can't afford to stay up that late with work. xP
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Only three more days until the U.S. release of the Wii U version. Anyone else going to a midnight launch? Considering I'm also getting three amiibos with the GCN bundle of the game (and Pokemond OR/AS as well), my wallet is already crying...
I'm going... But only for OR/AS.
My friend is getting Smash though.
Well? Are we going or what?
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