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Pierre wrote:
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Anybody here bought and played Dead or Alive 5?
I have the previous DoA games (except Dimensions, I need to import that cause I have a Japanese 3DS) and they are fun fighting games - volleyball/mini-games in case of Xtreme Beach Volleyball and Xtreme 2.
But the game, whether 360 or PS3 version, cost 60€ right now... and I don't really wanna spend that much on 1 game.
The PS3 version would get me a 20% discount right now, but still....

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I can't bring myself to own a DOA game. The fanservice is too much for me even if my memories of when I played the games were as a slick awesome fighter with awesome counter moves.

Same reason I wouldn't want to own Catherine really live in a family household.


All games have it, don't deter a lady from looking at tits just because you don't like them.
But I don't like the games myself because I have plenty of porn to look at without buying a game to look at more.
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Pierre wrote:
I can't bring myself to own a DOA game. The fanservice is too much for me even if my memories of when I played the games were as a slick awesome fighter with awesome counter moves.

Same reason I wouldn't want to own Catherine really live in a family household.


Why not play Super Streetfighter 4 Arcade Edition then? A very solid fighter with easy controls but hard to master.
I always have a blast when I play it! at home and in the arcades.

About Catherine. I also played that game and it's understandable you don't want little kids to play it because of the mature content in it. The story was interesting, the characters memorable, the atmosphere is great and the action stages (block puzzles) were very challenging (I beat hard mode, F yeah!).
The only thing I didn't like was Vincent's dialog based on your 'good' or 'bad' moral. No matter if you're always honest or cheating those answers always amount to the same thing. The only thing what's different are the endings.
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Pierre wrote:
I can't bring myself to own a DOA game. The fanservice is too much for me even if my memories of when I played the games were as a slick awesome fighter with awesome counter moves.

Same reason I wouldn't want to own Catherine really live in a family household.


Why not play Super Streetfighter 4 Arcade Edition then? A very solid fighter with easy controls but hard to master.
I always have a blast when I play it! at home and in the arcades.

About Catherine. I also played that game and it's understandable you don't want little kids to play it because of the mature content in it. The story was interesting, the characters memorable, the atmosphere is great and the action stages (block puzzles) were very challenging (I beat hard mode, F yeah!).
The only thing I didn't like was Vincent's dialog based on your 'good' or 'bad' moral. No matter if you're always honest or cheating those answers always amount to the same thing. The only thing what's different are the endings.
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I can't bring myself to own a DOA game. The fanservice is too much for me even if my memories of when I played the games were as a slick awesome fighter with awesome counter moves.

Same reason I wouldn't want to own Catherine really live in a family household.


Why not play Super Streetfighter 4 Arcade Edition then? A very solid fighter with easy controls but hard to master.
I always have a blast when I play it! at home and in the arcades.

About Catherine. I also played that game and it's understandable you don't want little kids to play it because of the mature content in it. The story was interesting, the characters memorable, the atmosphere is great and the action stages (block puzzles) were very challenging (I beat hard mode, F yeah!).
The only thing I didn't like was Vincent's dialog based on your 'good' or 'bad' moral. No matter if you're always honest or cheating those answers always amount to the same thing. The only thing what's different are the endings.


That's disappointing.

As is your suggestion I play SSF4:AE, I think Street Fighter is a dumb franchise at base levels with spamming attacks common amongst folks and at least 4 variations of hadoken fighting style and matching up with oh so many Ryu's and Ken's online no sir.

I'm in the Blazblue/Guilty Gear school of fighters where not every character has a ranged attack.
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Pierre wrote:
That's disappointing.

As is your suggestion I play SSF4:AE, I think Street Fighter is a dumb franchise at base levels with spamming attacks common amongst folks and at least 4 variations of hadoken fighting style and matching up with oh so many Ryu's and Ken's online no sir.

I'm in the Blazblue/Guilty Gear school of fighters where not every character has a ranged attack.


Everyone has a ranged attack? what about Zangief, Dudley, Balrog, Vega, Bison, Hakan, Yun, Yang, Makoto, T Hawk and all the others with no projectile?
True, there are quite a bit of Shoto charachters, but I can be true in stating that SSF4:AE is one of the most balanced fighter games to day.
Spamming attacks? Maybe at noob level, but I work with frame traps, cross-ups, resets and FADC cancelling. SSF4:AE works with 60 frames per second and each frame is key to know how to defeat your opponents. Knowing how much frames you have (mostly 1 or 2) to connect your combo's and breaking down moves into start-up frames and invincibility frames to know how and when to punish special attacks.
And don't get me started about option-selects, 50-50 mixups and highly advanced stuff like that, because I'm not that good of a player.
My point being, because Blazblue has 'the wheels of fate are turning' instead of fight doesn't make it a better fighting game. SSF4:EA is rock solid and has more depth than any other fighter currently out there.
Spamming and playing Ryu and Ken are signs of new players who don't know what to do. In no way are they (or shoto's in general) the best type of fighter. Get your facts straight.
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I can't bring myself to own a DOA game. The fanservice is too much for me even if my memories of when I played the games were as a slick awesome fighter with awesome counter moves.


Why does everybody think every DoA game is nothing more than Fanservice? Okay, the girls have some revealing clothes at times, but otherwise it's just basically a cool fighting game series. I admit, Xtreme 2 was intense fanservice, what with the boobs constantly jiggling and the option to put girls into skimpy bathing suits that shouldn't even count as clothing. (I'm looking at your bathing suit collection, Christie!)
But that's all it is. An option. Xtreme Beach Volleyball was mostly focused on the volleyball, but still. I mean, I'm a girl but also somewhat a guy at heart, so I like looking at boobs - whether it be in clothes, revealing clothes or bikinis. But looking at them in Xtreme 2 makes me dizzy....
And maybe it is because I'm a girl, but I have much more fun in Xtreme 2 playing the games and putting the girls into bikinis with matching accessories and what not.
Oops, I digressed on that....

Anyway, I bought Dead or Alive 5.
For anyone who might want to buy it - do it!
The overall look of the menu is extremely different from the previous games, the story mode is not "1 Storyline for each Character with individual endings" - that's kind of sad. But it's now more of a timeline thing - you mostly watch cutscenes.... then you get to the next point in the timeline where you gain control of a character, have some cutscene induced fights and after four of five fights, proceed to the next character.
A bit confusing, but it does have you fight as most characters at least one time.

I have heard bad things about the online play and I personally don't care for online, so I haven't activated it.
Although there are trophies you can only get by Online.... urgh....

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I can't bring myself to own a DOA game. The fanservice is too much for me even if my memories of when I played the games were as a slick awesome fighter with awesome counter moves.


Why does everybody think every DoA game is nothing more than Fanservice? Okay, the girls have some revealing clothes at times, but otherwise it's just basically a cool fighting game series. I admit, Xtreme 2 was intense fanservice, what with the boobs constantly jiggling and the option to put girls into skimpy bathing suits that shouldn't even count as clothing. (I'm looking at your bathing suit collection, Christie!)
But that's all it is. An option. Xtreme Beach Volleyball was mostly focused on the volleyball, but still. I mean, I'm a girl but also somewhat a guy at heart, so I like looking at boobs - whether it be in clothes, revealing clothes or bikinis. But looking at them in Xtreme 2 makes me dizzy....
And maybe it is because I'm a girl, but I have much more fun in Xtreme 2 playing the games and putting the girls into bikinis with matching accessories and what not.
Oops, I digressed on that....

Anyway, I bought Dead or Alive 5.
For anyone who might want to buy it - do it!
The overall look of the menu is extremely different from the previous games, the story mode is not "1 Storyline for each Character with individual endings" - that's kind of sad. But it's now more of a timeline thing - you mostly watch cutscenes.... then you get to the next point in the timeline where you gain control of a character, have some cutscene induced fights and after four of five fights, proceed to the next character.
A bit confusing, but it does have you fight as most characters at least one time.

I have heard bad things about the online play and I personally don't care for online, so I haven't activated it.
Although there are trophies you can only get by Online.... urgh....

C-A


See the fact you even bought Xtreme 2 indicates we have very different perspectives on it. Though DOA has been fanservicey for a long time, I remember playing it in a store and having some fun as a kid, but then I remember DOA3 had an age slider which basically doubled as a 'how bouncy do you like it?' slider. It's fun enough but I don't need to buy it.
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What do people think of Dark Cloud 1 and 2 as well as the Devil Summoner games on the PS2 (as someone who wants to branch out into other MegaTen games from Persona).
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I'd also like to make a request.

Does anyone know which of the Touhou (avoid massive onslaught of 1 hit kill objects) games are considered the best of the series? Even though I listen to the music for years now I never played a single Touhou game.
Also suggestions about where to get them would be helpful because I can forget about finding something in the stores here in the Netherlands.
Protip: Music is most important here, since the gameplay mostly remains the same of what I've seen on YouTube.
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Pierre wrote:
See the fact you even bought Xtreme 2 indicates we have very different perspectives on it. Though DOA has been fanservicey for a long time, I remember playing it in a store and having some fun as a kid, but then I remember DOA3 had an age slider which basically doubled as a 'how bouncy do you like it?' slider. It's fun enough but I don't need to buy it.


....those sliders don't do a thing.
Seriously, it's a rumor (or even wishful thinking) that the higher you put the age in the game, the bouncier the breasts become. I put it on the youngest (13) and even went along with my age (20-22) and even the highest and never did the bouncing get any less or more.
Also, DoA3 was one of the better ones.
Okay the final boss strategy was a total f***-up, but it was liked tons because the graphics made the skin look realistic. Which DoA5 took up on... speaking of DoA5..... VIRTUAL FIGHTER CHARACTERS SUCK!!

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Pierre wrote:
See the fact you even bought Xtreme 2 indicates we have very different perspectives on it. Though DOA has been fanservicey for a long time, I remember playing it in a store and having some fun as a kid, but then I remember DOA3 had an age slider which basically doubled as a 'how bouncy do you like it?' slider. It's fun enough but I don't need to buy it.


....those sliders don't do a thing.
Seriously, it's a rumor (or even wishful thinking) that the higher you put the age in the game, the bouncier the breasts become. I put it on the youngest (13) and even went along with my age (20-22) and even the highest and never did the bouncing get any less or more.
Also, DoA3 was one of the better ones.
Okay the final boss strategy was a total f***-up, but it was liked tons because the graphics made the skin look realistic. Which DoA5 took up on... speaking of DoA5..... VIRTUAL FIGHTER CHARACTERS SUCK!!

C-A


*shrugs* You're the first I've heard say it's a rumour, please provide a source. Anyway I think you're missing the point I say it's a competent fighter but it's not for me because of awkward family moments if I did play it and a general dislike of fanservice. I play it fine at parties if it's on.
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I've heard and read several people saying that the Age Option really does not change anything. And if I had a device that allowed me to record console-to-pc footage, I'd definitely prove to you that the age really does not make a difference.
This might sound like I'm being paid to advertise, but I'm not (sadly), but I'd say go for DoA 5.
Sure there's some hints of sexuality (like Eliot looking at Christie's cleavage but he's kind of a teenager that probably doesn't know any better) but for the most part it is nothing but a fighting game. Actually, the women's outfits have become much more modest.

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What do people think of Dark Cloud 1 and 2 as well as the Devil Summoner games on the PS2 (as someone who wants to branch out into other MegaTen games from Persona).

Dark Cloud 1 and 2 were decent enough from what I played of them. If you can get them cheap by all means go for it.

I've honestly never played any SMT games besides Persona (blah blah not real SMT yadda) and Devil Survivor which I didn't care much for so can't comment on that.

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I'd also like to make a request.

Does anyone know which of the Touhou (avoid massive onslaught of 1 hit kill objects) games are considered the best of the series? Even though I listen to the music for years now I never played a single Touhou game.
Also suggestions about where to get them would be helpful because I can forget about finding something in the stores here in the Netherlands.
Protip: Music is most important here, since the gameplay mostly remains the same of what I've seen on YouTube.

From what I've seen favorites vary greatly depending on who you ask. I've probably enjoyed Embodiment of Scarlet Devil most out of the ones I've played and hope to actually beat the game at some point before I die.

Check JBox.com if you want to buy the games.
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The Shin Megami Tensei games - or Persona games, if you prefer that title.
I read VGR's first recap of Persona 4 and I find it freaking hilarious but also a stupid game, but then, it's VGR and they take the piss out of every game they play. It still seems kind of fun to play myself.

Now, I have no idea about the story - the recap didn't really tell me enough to really make me understand things, though perhaps the game is at fault for that, or maybe it makes more sense if I play the earlier games. But how are they? How's the music?

And, mostly, I heard that it's fully voice acted.
What are the voices like? Do they sound believeable or like people who are just reading lines off of paper? Is there enough variety in the voices - not every girl has a high screechy voice, not every guy has to sound like Chuck Norris - and, if the voices are not to my liking, is there an option to turn them off?

I also read that there are tiny timeframes for sidequests which increase your parameters - like a Dating Sim.

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Shin Megami Tensei is not the same series as Persona. Persona spun off from SMT, as sort of a side series that really has nothing to do with the other games. In fact, SMT is a spin-off itself, of the Megami Tensei games.

But, as far as Persona 3 and 4 are concerned (everybody's favourites), you can play either of them without having ever touched another game in the franchise. From what I've heard, the voices are quite good. I've never played the games before, but they seem very interesting, to say the least.
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The Shin Megami Tensei games - or Persona games, if you prefer that title.
I read VGR's first recap of Persona 4 and I find it freaking hilarious but also a stupid game, but then, it's VGR and they take the piss out of every game they play. It still seems kind of fun to play myself.

Now, I have no idea about the story - the recap didn't really tell me enough to really make me understand things, though perhaps the game is at fault for that, or maybe it makes more sense if I play the earlier games. But how are they? How's the music?

And, mostly, I heard that it's fully voice acted.
What are the voices like? Do they sound believeable or like people who are just reading lines off of paper? Is there enough variety in the voices - not every girl has a high screechy voice, not every guy has to sound like Chuck Norris - and, if the voices are not to my liking, is there an option to turn them off?

I also read that there are tiny timeframes for sidequests which increase your parameters - like a Dating Sim.

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The voices sound fine enough from what I recall but I'm not an expert, it's got Yuri Lowenthal and Johnny Yong Bosch so....it's professionally done and handled well I guess from that angle.

Dating Sim is the right word for gameplay but it's not all romantic, most just increase your personal bonds with that person. It's cool because in addition to some well-written plotlines you unlock it also gives you substantial benefits on the combat side of gameplay especially when social linking with your party members.

As for time-limits....well only on some, when I played I found I had plenty time to complete the social links I wanted. BE WARNED you will not master every social link in one playthrough unless you are meta-gaming and using a walkthrough (read: cheating) but it doesn't feel like you 'missed' anything so to speak, I didn't even uncover some of the social links at all in my first playthrough and I felt I had a full rich experience with the game.

I can think of two of them where you might be pressed for time but both of those are still doable well enough.
Persona 4 is better than 3 however.

Persona 3 has the stricter time limits, and better....weakness exploitation in combat (it divides physical into striking slashing and bashing, 4 only includes one umbrella of physical damage).
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The voices sound fine enough from what I recall but I'm not an expert, it's got Yuri Lowenthal and Johnny Yong Bosch so....it's professionally done and handled well I guess from that angle.

Dating Sim is the right word for gameplay but it's not all romantic, most just increase your personal bonds with that person. It's cool because in addition to some well-written plotlines you unlock it also gives you substantial benefits on the combat side of gameplay especially when social linking with your party members.

As for time-limits....well only on some, when I played I found I had plenty time to complete the social links I wanted. BE WARNED you will not master every social link in one playthrough unless you are meta-gaming and using a walkthrough (read: cheating) but it doesn't feel like you 'missed' anything so to speak, I didn't even uncover some of the social links at all in my first playthrough and I felt I had a full rich experience with the game.

I can think of two of them where you might be pressed for time but both of those are still doable well enough.
Persona 4 is better than 3 however.

Persona 3 has the stricter time limits, and better....weakness exploitation in combat (it divides physical into striking slashing and bashing, 4 only includes one umbrella of physical damage).


*sigh* ...really, if Yuri Lowenthal hadn't made such a terrible mess out of Luke, Asch and Mr Ending in Tales of the Abyss, I might like his voice... do I have an option to turn voices of? Otherwise, I might look for an Undub. Yay, Undubs~ :godot:

I think the main reason I want to play Persona 4 now is because of this thing. What the fuck, people, this is a huge penis. You cannot deny that. There is a huge penis in this game that I could control. What the fuck, that is creepy and hilarious.

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Does anyone know if Madfather and Yume Nikki are any good?


Yume Nikki? is that the one with the girl who looks like a cat and there's this one room where there's a chance that, when you turn the lights off, this THING appears and can trap you in the room and ends up putting you into this weird world?

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Does anyone know if Madfather and Yume Nikki are any good?


Yume Nikki? is that the one with the girl who looks like a cat and there's this one room where there's a chance that, when you turn the lights off, this THING appears and can trap you in the room and ends up putting you into this weird world?

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I have no idea for the story but I mean this one. I've seen fanarts of it and I'm getting a little curious about those two.
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Is Harvest Moon: A Tale of Two Towns good?

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CatMuto wrote:
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The voices sound fine enough from what I recall but I'm not an expert, it's got Yuri Lowenthal and Johnny Yong Bosch so....it's professionally done and handled well I guess from that angle.

Dating Sim is the right word for gameplay but it's not all romantic, most just increase your personal bonds with that person. It's cool because in addition to some well-written plotlines you unlock it also gives you substantial benefits on the combat side of gameplay especially when social linking with your party members.

As for time-limits....well only on some, when I played I found I had plenty time to complete the social links I wanted. BE WARNED you will not master every social link in one playthrough unless you are meta-gaming and using a walkthrough (read: cheating) but it doesn't feel like you 'missed' anything so to speak, I didn't even uncover some of the social links at all in my first playthrough and I felt I had a full rich experience with the game.

I can think of two of them where you might be pressed for time but both of those are still doable well enough.
Persona 4 is better than 3 however.

Persona 3 has the stricter time limits, and better....weakness exploitation in combat (it divides physical into striking slashing and bashing, 4 only includes one umbrella of physical damage).


*sigh* ...really, if Yuri Lowenthal hadn't made such a terrible mess out of Luke, Asch and Mr Ending in Tales of the Abyss, I might like his voice... do I have an option to turn voices of? Otherwise, I might look for an Undub. Yay, Undubs~ :godot:

I think the main reason I want to play Persona 4 now is because of this thing. What the fuck, people, this is a huge penis. You cannot deny that. There is a huge penis in this game that I could control. What the fuck, that is creepy and hilarious.

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Mara that thing is, is a persona of the....Tower...or Chariot Arcana, I forget. It has one of the strongest fire spells in the game unique to it (Maralagidyne) and yes...it basically is a penis. In fact 'Mara' is apparently a Japanese colloquialism for penis hence it's form being sort of a joke.

One of the characters in Persona 3 commented on it if you had that Persona equipped when you entered the Velvet room saying either "Hehe how manly" if you were a guy or "Hmm that is unbecoming of a woman" if you were the girl. Though I'm not sure you can turn voice acting off, it's up to you but all in all I'd recommend it to anyone really.
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I have no idea for the story but I mean this one. I've seen fanarts of it and I'm getting a little curious about those two.


Oh my god, yes it's the game with that freaky Uboa thing!! :ack:
That is actually all I know about the game, so I can't really help you. From what I've heard from PeanutButterGamer, though, when he talked about this game he said it was quite a cute and fun game.

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I have no idea for the story but I mean this one. I've seen fanarts of it and I'm getting a little curious about those two.


Oh my god, yes it's the game with that freaky Uboa thing!! :ack:
That is actually all I know about the game, so I can't really help you. From what I've heard from PeanutButterGamer, though, when he talked about this game he said it was quite a cute and fun game.

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I have a difficult time finding anything cute from what I have just seen... :nick-sweat:

Oh so that's where this gooey looking monster came from, I kept seeing this thing everywhere. That's alright though thanks for trying to help, I can always ask some friends around if they played it.
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Actually, I just clicked on the Ending Song of Yume Nikki and one of the comments confused me, but it also made me really curious about this game now... but I have Hero of Leaf Valley to look forward to~
I might try this game later.

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Actually, I just clicked on the Ending Song of Yume Nikki and one of the comments confused me, but it also made me really curious about this game now... but I have Hero of Leaf Valley to look forward to~
I might try this game later.

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Well the ending of Yume Nikki is quite the twist I hope you didn't spoil it for yourself.
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CatMuto wrote:
Actually, I just clicked on the Ending Song of Yume Nikki and one of the comments confused me, but it also made me really curious about this game now... but I have Hero of Leaf Valley to look forward to~
I might try this game later.

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Well the ending of Yume Nikki is quite the twist I hope you didn't spoil it for yourself.


Well it looked like a very terrible thing, Mado...e...tsuki looked shocked/sad. It seemed to speak a very distinct message. But it's because of what one of the comments said that made me wonder if that picture is the truth or just something else.

Speaking of, maybe I won't get Persona 4....
I have a PS2, so that would be no problem. But thanks to TV Tropes (dammit!) I kind of spoiled myself, although considering what I read on TVTropes and then on Wikipedia, it's just one big, "What? How would that even work?" moment for me.

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I don't know what you spoiled yourself on in Persona 4, but the spoilers are actually pretty deep. I thought I irredeemably spoiled myself on Persona 4... about 3 times.
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I don't know what you spoiled yourself on in Persona 4, but the spoilers are actually pretty deep. I thought I irredeemably spoiled myself on Persona 4... about 3 times.


Well, what I read was this...

Spoiler: Spoilers I read for Persona 4
The Gas Station Attendant you first meet and get a headache from is important. Then again, the VGR recap also told me that and it was pretty obvious. Practically every teenager that is semi-important gets a Persona - including a girl dressing as a guy to escape sexism in the police, the singer who shoved her crotch into my face during the opening and a Yankee guy who is supposedly intimidating. Also Teddy. Fucking TEDDY gets a Persona!?
Also, the teacher gets killed and a student says he did it (I don't blame him that guy is weird!) and also killed Mayumi and Saki, but he didn't. He just killed Morooka. At one point Nanako gets kidnapped by this Natsugame guy or so who was the one who had the affair with Mayumi. They end in the hospital and Nanako is almost dying!
If we can prove that Natsugame is not responsible for the deaths, we continue.
If we don't, Nanako's death is permanent! (You know, most deaths are...)
So we continue and find out Adachi killed the ones who were suspended from things. Only he didn't really, or so, but he shared the view of the bad guy and he also went into the TV World and get possessed by Aga.... Age... something and we beat him up and make him confess to the murders in real life, so he goes to jail.
And then we finally get to the Gas Station Attendant who is Izanami and wanted to merge real and TV world cause.... humans see the world all foggy, cause they don't really see each other?
Or something like that. We get beaten, but then Mr Main Character gets a new persona through the power of friendship called Izanagi - see, that subtle difference is very important. And we beat Izanami and the TV World and Midnight Channel don't exist anymore.
Oh I forgot this Age-something-or-other, after being beaten, says he'll make the fog in the TV World or teh Real World go away... one of either.


And I must say, what is with the soundtrack of this game?
The opening is.... this game is about mystery and murder, yet we have this.... pop song as the opening? It doesn't even tell me anything about the game, it just shows people and TVs and I have no clue what's going on and if the Opening can't get my interest in any way, I don't feel like playing the game.
And the battle system - that Engrish filled Pop song.
And that damn Junes jingle!

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Yeah that's pretty much it. Golden has a bit more but that only matters if you have a Vita to play it.

The game is less about murders and more about love and friendship and REACHING OUT TO THE TRUTH

And Reach Out to the Truth is one of the greatest battle themes ever, don't even try denying it. :delilah-hair:
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Bad Player wrote:
I don't know what you spoiled yourself on in Persona 4, but the spoilers are actually pretty deep. I thought I irredeemably spoiled myself on Persona 4... about 3 times.


Well, what I read was this...

Spoiler: Spoilers I read for Persona 4
The Gas Station Attendant you first meet and get a headache from is important. Then again, the VGR recap also told me that and it was pretty obvious. Practically every teenager that is semi-important gets a Persona - including a girl dressing as a guy to escape sexism in the police, the singer who shoved her crotch into my face during the opening and a Yankee guy who is supposedly intimidating. Also Teddy. Fucking TEDDY gets a Persona!?
Also, the teacher gets killed and a student says he did it (I don't blame him that guy is weird!) and also killed Mayumi and Saki, but he didn't. He just killed Morooka. At one point Nanako gets kidnapped by this Natsugame guy or so who was the one who had the affair with Mayumi. They end in the hospital and Nanako is almost dying!
If we can prove that Natsugame is not responsible for the deaths, we continue.
If we don't, Nanako's death is permanent! (You know, most deaths are...)
So we continue and find out Adachi killed the ones who were suspended from things. Only he didn't really, or so, but he shared the view of the bad guy and he also went into the TV World and get possessed by Aga.... Age... something and we beat him up and make him confess to the murders in real life, so he goes to jail.
And then we finally get to the Gas Station Attendant who is Izanami and wanted to merge real and TV world cause.... humans see the world all foggy, cause they don't really see each other?
Or something like that. We get beaten, but then Mr Main Character gets a new persona through the power of friendship called Izanagi - see, that subtle difference is very important. And we beat Izanami and the TV World and Midnight Channel don't exist anymore.
Oh I forgot this Age-something-or-other, after being beaten, says he'll make the fog in the TV World or teh Real World go away... one of either.


And I must say, what is with the soundtrack of this game?
The opening is.... this game is about mystery and murder, yet we have this.... pop song as the opening? It doesn't even tell me anything about the game, it just shows people and TVs and I have no clue what's going on and if the Opening can't get my interest in any way, I don't feel like playing the game.
And the battle system - that Engrish filled Pop song.
And that damn Junes jingle!

C-A


Geez man, don't even play it now.
The first spoiler you put there isn't obvious at all and the rest of the plot making it basically wasted on you.
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Yeah that's pretty much it. Golden has a bit more but that only matters if you have a Vita to play it.

The game is less about murders and more about love and friendship and REACHING OUT TO THE TRUTH

And Reach Out to the Truth is one of the greatest battle themes ever, don't even try denying it. :delilah-hair:


What, that engrish song that... well, let me quote VGR: "[...] and it sounds like the vocalist is singing "homo men" and "all the lesbians" during the refrain."

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Geez man, don't even play it now.
The first spoiler you put there isn't obvious at all and the rest of the plot making it basically wasted on you.


What the...?
How is that first part not obvious? In any game, if you get touched by some NPC and you get a headache immediately afterwards, it's just one giant "This person is important!!" sign hitting you over the head.

And I've decided to not play Persona 4, not just because I spoiled myself but also.... urgh, the people who get added afterwards just feel out of place. A transfer student-singer? A yankee and a that trap-detective. Also Teddie. No thanks, they seem too weird for me. If it had just been Gary McMain Character, Yosuke, Chie and the-apparently-super-hot Yukiko, that would've been fine. I'll just enjoy reading VGR's recap about how they are all gay and making fun of how the game is treating me like an idiot.

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Not playing a game because a couple characters "look" stupid without understanding anything else about said characters, and because a review site makes homosexual jokes about the game, doesn't exactly sound like the best strategy

Just sayin'

but ok no Kanji in your life is your loss
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Not playing a game because a couple characters "look" stupid without understanding anything else about said characters, and because a review site makes homosexual jokes about the game, doesn't exactly sound like the best strategy

Just sayin'

but ok no Kanji in your life is your loss


I basically know how the entire game goes, it's for the PS2 - which is no problem, I have one and I could even play the imported version easily - the graphics are sort of okay... and really, even without reading VGR's comments and putting homosexual jokes into things, I'd still giggle at Yosuke's line of "Hey, (Name), you want a ride? It might be a bit squeaky though" because I am not a Yaoi Fangirl, remember?
Kanji? What, the yankee? Yeah, don't really care... Like I said, the kids on this poster, I would prefer the game if it was only the first four kids that appeared. Why? Because the more characters you add into your protagonist party, the more likely it is that some of them will get barely any screentime and/or personality - ie. Tales of Symphonia, I love the game but with a cast of 9 protagonists, Regal and Presea ended up getting the "Bland" personality.

And no, spoiling the game for myself is not a reason why I wouldn't play it. I'm quite used to reading spoiler stuff for some of the games I play, manga I read or anime I watched. Plus, I guess I could still play the other Persona games, but.... eh. I haven't seen much of them and they don't look very interesting.

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CatMuto wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Not playing a game because a couple characters "look" stupid without understanding anything else about said characters, and because a review site makes homosexual jokes about the game, doesn't exactly sound like the best strategy

Just sayin'

but ok no Kanji in your life is your loss


I basically know how the entire game goes, it's for the PS2 - which is no problem, I have one and I could even play the imported version easily - the graphics are sort of okay... and really, even without reading VGR's comments and putting homosexual jokes into things, I'd still giggle at Yosuke's line of "Hey, (Name), you want a ride? It might be a bit squeaky though" because I am not a Yaoi Fangirl, remember?
Kanji? What, the yankee? Yeah, don't really care... Like I said, the kids on this poster, I would prefer the game if it was only the first four kids that appeared. Why? Because the more characters you add into your protagonist party, the more likely it is that some of them will get barely any screentime and/or personality - ie. Tales of Symphonia, I love the game but with a cast of 9 protagonists, Regal and Presea ended up getting the "Bland" personality.

And no, spoiling the game for myself is not a reason why I wouldn't play it. I'm quite used to reading spoiler stuff for some of the games I play, manga I read or anime I watched. Plus, I guess I could still play the other Persona games, but.... eh. I haven't seen much of them and they don't look very interesting.

C-A


You come across as a bit of a know-it-all at times C-A...that's not how it is at all.

Persona 4 develops each of it's characters extremely well. Hell the plot is based around forced Character Development.

You played FFXIII I know, it's sort of like how the characters in that awakened to their Eidolons. Each character has an inherent personality problem, something awakens and tries to kill them for it. As a result each of the characters is unique and has their own quirks and weaknesses. If anything I think some of the earlier party characters are the weakest, Yukiko is pretty dull at times and Yosuke just pales in comparison to Kanji.

What's more even after they conquer their 'problem' you can pursue it further to help them truly conquer their fears and further develop their story and personality and their own little side-plot. Due to the way the game mechanics are constructed everyone gets the same amount of time developing provided you choose to spend time with them.

Still whatever, you can go on VGR and stay snarky and mocking of anything new if you like :delilah-hair: but you shouldn't write things off straight away.

:yuusaku: Sometimes I feel the rise of the internet is killing games sometimes I remember when word of mouth was the best way to hear about new games from other people's experiences, now it seems the internet has stamps of approval or disapproval on everything and people are finding out less for themselves about games maybe resulting in the increasing homogenization of the games industry.
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I feel like I'm watching a sitcom when I see Pierre and Cat have a long winded debate.
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I feel like I'm watching a sitcom when I see Pierre and Cat have a long winded debate.


XP It's not that often is it?
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I feel like I'm watching a sitcom when I see Pierre and Cat have a long winded debate.


XP It's not that often is it?


I think I've seen it 4 times...maybe 5.

And before I knew both of you were taken I nearly shipped you guys. XD *runs away*
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I feel like I'm watching a sitcom when I see Pierre and Cat have a long winded debate.


XP It's not that often is it?


I think I've seen it 4 times...maybe 5.

And before I knew both of you were taken I nearly shipped you guys. XD *runs away*


Wow, I get shipped with people? Huh... actually, that's kinda funny.
My husband's reaction: "......"
I know I should try to prevent any more long debates since it's obvious that Pierre and I have a very different way of seeing things in games... Maybe I am writing Persona 4 off too fast, but, well after reading everything, I just don't think I would enjoy the game as much as I would other games - whether I have spoiled the thing entirely for me or didn't. Heck, I loved playing Symphonia, although I knew from the beginning that Kratos is Lloyd's father.
Which I also found a bit obvious, if you look at their skit faces...
But I might take a look at the other Persona games.

Anyhow, I guess I'll just give up on Persona 4 and enjoy VGR's recap. They're doing the PS2 version since Ben doesn't have the cash for the Vita version and apparently, bathhouse scenes have been added mostly and nothing that really influences the storyline.... so I don't think I'd get the Vita version, either. For one, I also am short on cash and for another, eh, I'm not one who really cares for super-enhanced-versions of games. Like Tales of Vesperia PS3 - I might get it, simply because I do not like the english voices and I love Judith's fighting style, but most of the news I heard of it was: Costumes! We have Tales of Destiny costumes! And Knight of Ratatosk costumes! Oh and Tales of the Abyss costumes added! We even have Tales of Phantasia costumes added, wohee!
I know Vesperia PS3 isn't just new with costumes, but that's really how it feels. Actually, most newer Tales games seem to do that... DLC costumes that are just references to the other Tales games.... it's nice, but not really.

Although I am looking at Harvest Moon Animal Parade right now...
I know that it's basically a sequel/alternate version of Tree of Tranquility, but it looks kinda fun. But also boring... but still really fun, especially when I can rub people. XD

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Anyhow, I guess I'll just give up on Persona 4 and enjoy VGR's recap. They're doing the PS2 version since Ben doesn't have the cash for the Vita version and apparently, bathhouse scenes have been added mostly and nothing that really influences the storyline.... so I don't think I'd get the Vita version, either. For one, I also am short on cash and for another, eh, I'm not one who really cares for super-enhanced-versions of games. Like Tales of Vesperia PS3 - I might get it, simply because I do not like the english voices and I love Judith's fighting style, but most of the news I heard of it was: Costumes! We have Tales of Destiny costumes! And Knight of Ratatosk costumes! Oh and Tales of the Abyss costumes added! We even have Tales of Phantasia costumes added, wohee!
I know Vesperia PS3 isn't just new with costumes, but that's really how it feels. Actually, most newer Tales games seem to do that... DLC costumes that are just references to the other Tales games.... it's nice, but not really.


C-A


You're pretty picky with English voice acting. I don't think I've ever seen a thread where you don't complain about the voices in games. Vesperia's voice cast was great, and only Karol was the real obnoxious one out of the group.
Have you played Tales of Graces? God now that's a dub I can live without. I've never been so bored/irritated while listening to characters talk in a Tales game.

As in regards to DLC, I think it's getting stupider and stupider. Graces had like 3 costumes for each character and ton of DLC half of which didn't see the light of day outside of Japan due to licensing. And I heard that Xillia has even less costumes than Graces! Goddamit Bamco!
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Wow, I get shipped with people? Huh... actually, that's kinda funny.
My husband's reaction: "......"


You're not the only one, Pierre nearly shipped me with someone as well.

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Although I am looking at Harvest Moon Animal Parade right now...
I know that it's basically a sequel/alternate version of Tree of Tranquility, but it looks kinda fun. But also boring... but still really fun, especially when I can rub people. XD


Yes it is fun, took me awhile to figure out how to find the bells but it is fun. And the marriages actually look realistic and no air kisses. Things started to go south when I finally got married and I was working my arse off to upgrade my house again, then I get pregnant and have to wait, two weeks for the baby? And then the baby comes out and then I wait 2 seasons for the baby to "grow up". And then I stopped when my second baby was born, too much waiting.
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