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Spoiler: My Theory
Hence I said, it would make sense for Togami to do this. He had opportunity and if he was somehow involved, he had motive.


Spoiler: Super Danganronpa 2 Spoiler (Humanisty Worst Despair-Induced Event)
So what, the WHOLE/ONLY reason this whole stupid Most Despair-Inducing Event In Makind's History (or whatever you wanna call it) was brought up JUST because one guy killed a school's student council? Why the F*** would that lead to the worst despair for humanity? Why they f*** should THEY care what ONE person in ONE damn school did?

Oh yeah, tell me this is said Too Soon, what with amok killings being done in real life and all. But seriously, has the ENTIRE WORLD fallen into despair, destroyed the foundation of society and everybody's killing each other even because of ONE of those things? Hell no!

This is f***ing dumb! I played this game to get a damn ANSWER I had not gotten in Danganronpa.
And THIS is the answer? Developers, already bad enough that you basically repeated the killing types from the first game in this game, but seriously? This? THIS is your big reveal? Guys, if you have no good answer for anything, don't make a f***ing Sequel!!


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Based on the Danganronpa 2 trailer I have to admit that most of their English VA's are really not bed compared to how horrible the first game was. I don't know if its just me but Monokuma sounds different than in the first game. One English VA I hate is Komeda and the one I like the most is Gundam's English VA.
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One English VA I hate is Komeda and the one I like the most is Gundam's English VA.


Komaeda's English (and Japanese) VA is the same as Naegi's. Bryce Pappenbrook and Ogata Megumi respectively.

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One English VA I hate is Komeda and the one I like the most is Gundam's English VA.


Komaeda's English (and Japanese) VA is the same as Naegi's. Bryce Pappenbrook and Ogata Megumi respectively.

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I like Ogata's voice much better. Also makes sense their VA's are the same since
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Komeda is basically Naegi but obsessed with Hope
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I like Ogata's voice much better. Also makes sense their VA's are the same since
Spoiler: sdr2
Komeda is basically Naegi but obsessed with Hope


Spoiler: Komaeda Nagito
No. They're two entirely different people. Yes, Nagito was designed to look like an Evil Counterpart to Naegi. But he isn't really Naegi. Also, the fact that his name is an anagram of "Naegi Makoto da" is a total accident.


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CatMuto wrote:
Spoiler: My Theory
Hence I said, it would make sense for Togami to do this. He had opportunity and if he was somehow involved, he had motive.


Spoiler: Super Danganronpa 2 Spoiler (Humanisty Worst Despair-Induced Event)
So what, the WHOLE/ONLY reason this whole stupid Most Despair-Inducing Event In Makind's History (or whatever you wanna call it) was brought up JUST because one guy killed a school's student council? Why the F*** would that lead to the worst despair for humanity? Why they f*** should THEY care what ONE person in ONE damn school did?

Oh yeah, tell me this is said Too Soon, what with amok killings being done in real life and all. But seriously, has the ENTIRE WORLD fallen into despair, destroyed the foundation of society and everybody's killing each other even because of ONE of those things? Hell no!

This is f***ing dumb! I played this game to get a damn ANSWER I had not gotten in Danganronpa.
And THIS is the answer? Developers, already bad enough that you basically repeated the killing types from the first game in this game, but seriously? This? THIS is your big reveal? Guys, if you have no good answer for anything, don't make a f***ing Sequel!!


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Dangan Ronpa is stupid.
If you didn't realize it after the first game, that's your own fault.


(Don't worry, I'm absolutely sure they'll explain it all in Despair Girls! :viola: )
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Bad Player wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Spoiler: My Theory
Hence I said, it would make sense for Togami to do this. He had opportunity and if he was somehow involved, he had motive.


Spoiler: Super Danganronpa 2 Spoiler (Humanisty Worst Despair-Induced Event)
So what, the WHOLE/ONLY reason this whole stupid Most Despair-Inducing Event In Makind's History (or whatever you wanna call it) was brought up JUST because one guy killed a school's student council? Why the F*** would that lead to the worst despair for humanity? Why they f*** should THEY care what ONE person in ONE damn school did?

Oh yeah, tell me this is said Too Soon, what with amok killings being done in real life and all. But seriously, has the ENTIRE WORLD fallen into despair, destroyed the foundation of society and everybody's killing each other even because of ONE of those things? Hell no!

This is f***ing dumb! I played this game to get a damn ANSWER I had not gotten in Danganronpa.
And THIS is the answer? Developers, already bad enough that you basically repeated the killing types from the first game in this game, but seriously? This? THIS is your big reveal? Guys, if you have no good answer for anything, don't make a f***ing Sequel!!


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Dangan Ronpa is stupid.
If you didn't realize it after the first game, that's your own fault.


(Don't worry, I'm absolutely sure they'll explain it all in Despair Girls! :viola: )


The problem is the games have plot holes that are dumb but that doesn't mean its stupid.

Danganronpa:Another episode is just basically telling us how the outside world really is and it takes place after DR but before SDR2
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CatMuto wrote:
Spoiler: Super Danganronpa 2 Spoiler (Humanisty Worst Despair-Induced Event)
So what, the WHOLE/ONLY reason this whole stupid Most Despair-Inducing Event In Makind's History (or whatever you wanna call it) was brought up JUST because one guy killed a school's student council? Why the F*** would that lead to the worst despair for humanity? Why they f*** should THEY care what ONE person in ONE damn school did?

Oh yeah, tell me this is said Too Soon, what with amok killings being done in real life and all. But seriously, has the ENTIRE WORLD fallen into despair, destroyed the foundation of society and everybody's killing each other even because of ONE of those things? Hell no!

This is f***ing dumb! I played this game to get a damn ANSWER I had not gotten in Danganronpa.
And THIS is the answer? Developers, already bad enough that you basically repeated the killing types from the first game in this game, but seriously? This? THIS is your big reveal? Guys, if you have no good answer for anything, don't make a f***ing Sequel!!


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Spoiler:
Just saying it all started with one murder spree, is like saying WWI started because one guy shot another.

The first killing spree was not the reason behind the Despair Event, just a direct cause. There had been a class war going on for some time at the school: normal students (=their parents) had to pay fortunes to get in, and they still weren't treated as full students (they had different living quarters, different teachers etc.). And the normal students had been demonstrating against the discrimination for some time now.

Cue the murder spree by Kamukura, who had been changed into a Super Class student with the money the normal students had paid. Add in the cover-up attempt by the school (thus giving off the image of only caring about their Super Class students, their pet projects, the school's image) and Monokuma's delibarate agitation of the feelings of the normal students, and it was only a matter of time before the class war between the students turned into a violent one

And then mass hypnosis / hysteria, class war spreading out of the school (probably in an Occupy-esque manner) and you have a big event.

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Ash wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Spoiler: Super Danganronpa 2 Spoiler (Humanisty Worst Despair-Induced Event)
So what, the WHOLE/ONLY reason this whole stupid Most Despair-Inducing Event In Makind's History (or whatever you wanna call it) was brought up JUST because one guy killed a school's student council? Why the F*** would that lead to the worst despair for humanity? Why they f*** should THEY care what ONE person in ONE damn school did?

Oh yeah, tell me this is said Too Soon, what with amok killings being done in real life and all. But seriously, has the ENTIRE WORLD fallen into despair, destroyed the foundation of society and everybody's killing each other even because of ONE of those things? Hell no!

This is f***ing dumb! I played this game to get a damn ANSWER I had not gotten in Danganronpa.
And THIS is the answer? Developers, already bad enough that you basically repeated the killing types from the first game in this game, but seriously? This? THIS is your big reveal? Guys, if you have no good answer for anything, don't make a f***ing Sequel!!


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Just saying it all started with one murder spree, is like saying WWI started because one guy shot another.

The first killing spree was not the reason behind the Despair Event, just a direct cause. There had been a class war going on for some time at the school: normal students (=their parents) had to pay fortunes to get in, and they still weren't treated as full students (they had different living quarters, different teachers etc.). And the normal students had been demonstrating against the discrimination for some time now.

Cue the murder spree by Kamukura, who had been changes into a Super Class student with the money the normal students had paid. Add in the cover-up attempt by the school (thus giving the image of only caring about their Super Class students, their pet projects, the school's image) and Monokuma's delibarate agitation of the feelings of the normal students, and it was only a matter of time the class war between the students turned into violence.

And then mass hypnosis / hysteria, class war spreading out of the school (probably in an Occupation-esque manner) and you have a big event.


Well... what do people expect? Yeah, Hope Academy is for the Super Students only. No entrance fee, entrance exams or anything like that. If you have a talent (or, in Oowada's case, are the leader of something famous, which isn't a talent) then you're in. Personally scouted. I don't think a parent should expect their kids to either get in with money... or if they do, expect them to be treated exactly like the Super Students.

I mean, that's like putting my white kid into a black-only school and then being upset that they get beat up during recess, because my white kid doesn't "get" how black things work. (Yes incredibly racist example, but it's the fastest and closest I can think up) Sometimes, you just don't mix those two up because you know it won't work out.

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The problem is the games have plot holes that are dumb but that doesn't mean its stupid.


Oh the plot hole wouldn't bother me that much... if they weren't so terribly HUGE.

Okay DR has a nice idea behind it, but the execution is dumb. Aside from the murder mysteries in the game being incredibly easy to figure out (seriously, I had more of a challenge with some of the starting puzzles in Layton's Curious Village!), the plot twists are dumb, nothing is answered in the first game, the answers in the second game are even dumber...

My only way of thinking Dangan Another or Despair Girls will work out is if I get some flat out porn fanservice. OR AT LEAST AN OPTION TO HAVE RED BLOOD! Onechanbara did it! It had an in-game option to have the blood appear either Red like blood usually is, or Purple in order to lessen the violence aspect a bit. I'm sick and tired of seeing the lovingly nicknamed "Pepto Bismol Blood" all over the place. (Even if it did lead DRAT to give me that wonderful line I am using as an avatar)

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I always keep putting off reading Danganronpa/Zero but today ill start reading it again since i found a tumblr page that has all the chapters translated.
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Prepare for a badly written novel.

Kinda interested in the Kirigiri novels (because Kitayama's mystery novels are quite good), but they're relatively expensive...
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Ash wrote:
Prepare for a badly written novel.

Kinda interested in the Kirigiri novels (because Kitayama's mystery novels are quite good), but they're relatively expensive...



Well I know the chapters are really short.

Arn't Kirigiri's novels translated yet?
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There are no chapters in Danganronpa/Zero, just section stops (that's probably how the translation on that tumblr is organized, I guess)

And I read the original books, so I don't know about the availability of translations...
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There are no chapters in Danganronpa/Zero, just section stops (that's probably how the translation on that tumblr is organized, I guess)

And I read the original books, so I don't know about the availability of translations...


I guess they organized it into chapters so it would be easier for people to read.

Thats a shame. I really wanted to read Kirigiri's novels. I gotta start learning how to read Japanese.
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Danganronpa Zero is baaaaaaaad. So boring and uuuuuugh.
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Danganronpa Zero is baaaaaaaad. So boring and uuuuuugh.


Isn't just basically Junko's back story and how the disaster happened.
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It's bad. Really really bad.
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kwando1313 wrote:
It's bad. Really really bad.


Whats so bad about it?
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FWIW, here's the review I wrote on DanRon/Zero. It's a flawed book, because you can't possibly enjoy it w/o the context of the game (and even then it's doubtful), while as a mystery book, it's not nearly as interesting as what they do in the games.
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It's bad. Really really bad.


Whats so bad about it?


It's about people we never heard about, don't care about and overall isn't very interesting. There are only two things. One is that it mentions/builds up a character in SDR2. And the other is that it has a hint on there being a chance that Fukawa loved Togami prior to the beginning of DR, which is cute. (Cause I ship those two)

Spoiler: SDR2 Spoilers
I like how Enoshima herself is bored of Monokuma now and doubts she'll become him again. It's like the character in a novel is sick and tired of its universe, I wonder if the developers are just speaking through her already. :will:


Also, the words Hope and Despair are still pissing me off. Komaeda keeps panting that Hope word, makes me want to strangle him.

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Well i'll still read the book since I did wanna find out how it all started. Ill give my review on it later when i finish whether I agree with you all on your opinions on the novel.
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Spoiler: SDR2 Spoilers
The remaining people of Ultimate Despair were collected by the Future Foundation and were supposed to be killed. Naegi wants to put them into the VR thing to give them a chance of gaining HOPE and not give into DESPAIR... you know, considering even less characters survived than in his group from the prequel... that was kind of a dumb idea, right Naegi? Yeah, the "dead" students are technically in a coma in the real world, but still. Way to go, Naegi.


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Speaking of SDR2, pre-orders for the limited edition are up on NISA's store. Interested parties had better grab it quick, there aren't many left.
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Speaking of SDR2, pre-orders for the limited edition are up on NISA's store. Interested parties had better grab it quick, there aren't many left.



Damn I want that!! How long will it take to ship though
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I've only bought from them once before, years ago while the PS2 was still around, but iirc I got my order a day or two after the street date.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I've only bought from them once before, years ago while the PS2 was still around, but iirc I got my order a day or two after the street date.


Hmm well im placing the preoder now since i have enough and they dont charge yet till 7 days before the release.

Edit:Placed my order but they still charged me. I know its only temporary and will get it back 6-10 business days.
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I really hate it when people refer to Monokuma as "Monobear". Yeah, Kuma means Bear. That's not the point. His name is a portmanteau of Monochrome and Kuma. It's a Japanese Portmanteau PUN of those two words: Monokuro-mu.

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*shrugs*

I prefer calling him Monobear. It just makes more sense to me.

also because elitism bwahaha
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Mh. Then again, me being a total "weeaboo" (not really), I refer to most of the people by their last name. For one, it's easier. For another, I dislike it when they switch it to First Name Basis for Western releases. I mean, that potentially ruins all sorts of big meaning behind calling someone their first name. (Like Asahina calling Oogami "Sakura-chan"... that's in no way special in the English version)

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I found the official English trailer of SDR2 uploaded by NISA on youtube.
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CatMuto wrote:
Spoiler: SDR2 Spoilers
The remaining people of Ultimate Despair were collected by the Future Foundation and were supposed to be killed. Naegi wants to put them into the VR thing to give them a chance of gaining HOPE and not give into DESPAIR... you know, considering even less characters survived than in his group from the prequel... that was kind of a dumb idea, right Naegi? Yeah, the "dead" students are technically in a coma in the real world, but still. Way to go, Naegi.


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Spoiler: SDR2
The way the simulation was supposed to go was basically "Island Mode"--nothing but peaceful interaction with the other students, learning to appreciate life, but the Monobear virus came in and screwed everything up.

There are plenty of idiotic flaws with Naegi's plan, but his plan wasn't trying to force everyone into a killing game :P

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Bad Player wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Spoiler: SDR2 Spoilers
The remaining people of Ultimate Despair were collected by the Future Foundation and were supposed to be killed. Naegi wants to put them into the VR thing to give them a chance of gaining HOPE and not give into DESPAIR... you know, considering even less characters survived than in his group from the prequel... that was kind of a dumb idea, right Naegi? Yeah, the "dead" students are technically in a coma in the real world, but still. Way to go, Naegi.


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Spoiler: SDR2
The way the simulation was supposed to go was basically "Island Mode"--nothing but peaceful interaction with the other students, learning to appreciate life, but the Monobear virus came in and screwed everything up.

There are plenty of idiotic flaws with Naegi's plan, but his plan wasn't trying to force everyone into a killing game :P


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Fair enough, but given how he brought in Kamikura Izuru, who - according to the game and how everyone goes on about him - is THE worst of the bunch, he kinda should've been a lot more careful. I mean, his fault that Enoshima AI (who I now call Enoshima Ai instead of Junko...) got into the VR to begin with, right? Naegi needs to learn about decent suspicion towards people.


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Yeah, and considering the machine apparently has the ability to completely erase someone's consciousness, I feel like making a back-up should've been a safety precaution they took.

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Yeah, and considering the machine apparently has the ability to completely erase someone's consciousness, I feel like making a back-up should've been a safety precaution they took.


Spoiler: SDR2
Then again, wasn't the entire thing Naegi's plan? Then again, considering Usami and Nanami, or at least Nanami, somebody must've programmed them prior to Fujisaki's death... I guess... and what about Kirigiri? Isn't she all about back up plans and such? Or Togami. I dunno EITHER of those seems to be the type to think a back up would be a good idea.


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CatMuto wrote:
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Yeah, and considering the machine apparently has the ability to completely erase someone's consciousness, I feel like making a back-up should've been a safety precaution they took.


Spoiler: SDR2
Then again, wasn't the entire thing Naegi's plan? Then again, considering Usami and Nanami, or at least Nanami, somebody must've programmed them prior to Fujisaki's death... I guess... and what about Kirigiri? Isn't she all about back up plans and such? Or Togami. I dunno EITHER of those seems to be the type to think a back up would be a good idea.


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Someone on the DR Forum on GameFAQs asked for DR to be described to them. Gave them a decent, purely objective view on things (you know, Murder Mystery Visual Novel, emphasis on bonding with people before they kill each other) and such. Somebody added something, which is a pretty condensed version.

"Battle Royale, Saw, Phoenix Wright and the Social Links from the Persona series."

Yeah that's a pretty good, condensed way of describing the game. If I were to do it condensed, I'd write that, too, minus the Saw part.

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Why not replace Saw with 999?


*shrug* Maybe they didn't play it (I didn't) or think it's not like 999.

Mmmhh, writing a FAQ for DR and getting to the overall description of the students... I have nothing much to say about Enoshima Junko in the student list. Trying to talk about her beyond one sentence tends to lead to... trouble.

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Just noting, I just failed a Class Trial on purpose to see what Game Over is like - for the FAQ - and.... seriously? WOW, after getting the wrong purpose accused (which is always Naegi for some dumb reason) I get an option to say "Would you like to try again?"

You know what, game? NO. No, I DON'T want to try again. Where's the consequence if I'm given a chance to try again? At least Ace Attorney says "Defendant's guilty, now leave my courtroom!" without asking me if I may want to rectify that last objection or so.

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CatMuto wrote:
Just noting, I just failed a Class Trial on purpose to see what Game Over is like - for the FAQ - and.... seriously? WOW, after getting the wrong purpose accused (which is always Naegi for some dumb reason) I get an option to say "Would you like to try again?"

You know what, game? NO. No, I DON'T want to try again. Where's the consequence if I'm given a chance to try again? At least Ace Attorney says "Defendant's guilty, now leave my courtroom!" without asking me if I may want to rectify that last objection or so.

C-A

Except Dual Destinies pretty much does give you that option.
(Then again, DD was too damn easy.)
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