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(the whole "holding a button = instant combo" thing)'s just fucking stupid.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Now we have a new Assist Trophy; Dr. Wright, from the SNES version of SimCity. He can make buildings grow out of nowhere and smash opponents skyward.
That is was totally suprise to me but I do love the fact he creates buildlings and can use it as an attack.
But I do remember that he was a Trophy in Melee. Could that mean several of the Trophies from Melee are going to be Assist Trophies in Brawl? That would be pretty cool and it would be interstring to try to figure out which ones are in and which aren't.
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Anyway, to answer about the A-holding thing - it's an extra, not a trade-off. Holding A neutral on the ground didn't do a thing in Melee, so I think it's logical that they added something for it. Granted, it could've been something totally new, but at least it's something - I think we can expect things a like for Holding + B, and other combinations that weren't used yet.
Why is something new suddenly something bad? And something so small so incredibly devastastating that it removes all your interest in the game?
I hope I didn't sound too much like a "nintenfag" there.
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Tinker wrote:
Dr. Wright is looking funny, indeed ;)
Anyway, to answer about the A-holding thing - it's an extra, not a trade-off. Holding A neutral on the ground didn't do a thing in Melee, so I think it's logical that they added something for it. Granted, it could've been something totally new, but at least it's something - I think we can expect things a like for Holding + B, and other combinations that weren't used yet.
Why is something new suddenly something bad? And something so small so incredibly devastastating that it removes all your interest in the game?
I hope I didn't sound too much like a "nintenfag" there.
Anyway, to answer about the A-holding thing - it's an extra, not a trade-off. Holding A neutral on the ground didn't do a thing in Melee, so I think it's logical that they added something for it. Granted, it could've been something totally new, but at least it's something - I think we can expect things a like for Holding + B, and other combinations that weren't used yet.
Why is something new suddenly something bad? And something so small so incredibly devastastating that it removes all your interest in the game?
I hope I didn't sound too much like a "nintenfag" there.
Perhaps not all 'interest,' but it certainly has removed a bit of it--I don't like how overly simplified the game is beginning to sound, that's all. And the change to the control scheme seems to have more to do with including all 4 controller schemes than anything else--to me, I personally don't see why they should cater to the lowest common denominator instead of just using one set controller; the simplified buttons seem to have more for the Wiimote crowd (who will most likely be flailing around like hyperactive children) than for those who use the gcube or classic controllers.
Plus, SSB is a fighting game--you have to hit buttons to do things in fighting games. If there is no benefit to pressing the button over just holding it, it sounds more and more like the controls are being tooled for people under 10, or at least simplified to a mind-numbing extent.
I do like the inclusion of Dr. Wright though, that's a cameo I didn't expect, and it actually seems like a pretty cool old addition. (For those of us who actually remember him, anyway.)
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And if not, make him a regular trophy. He'd be so dynamic standing there pointing.
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Kenjimurasame wrote:
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Dr. Wright is looking funny, indeed ;)
Anyway, to answer about the A-holding thing - it's an extra, not a trade-off. Holding A neutral on the ground didn't do a thing in Melee, so I think it's logical that they added something for it. Granted, it could've been something totally new, but at least it's something - I think we can expect things a like for Holding + B, and other combinations that weren't used yet.
Why is something new suddenly something bad? And something so small so incredibly devastastating that it removes all your interest in the game?
I hope I didn't sound too much like a "nintenfag" there.
Anyway, to answer about the A-holding thing - it's an extra, not a trade-off. Holding A neutral on the ground didn't do a thing in Melee, so I think it's logical that they added something for it. Granted, it could've been something totally new, but at least it's something - I think we can expect things a like for Holding + B, and other combinations that weren't used yet.
Why is something new suddenly something bad? And something so small so incredibly devastastating that it removes all your interest in the game?
I hope I didn't sound too much like a "nintenfag" there.
Perhaps not all 'interest,' but it certainly has removed a bit of it--I don't like how overly simplified the game is beginning to sound, that's all. And the change to the control scheme seems to have more to do with including all 4 controller schemes than anything else--to me, I personally don't see why they should cater to the lowest common denominator instead of just using one set controller; the simplified buttons seem to have more for the Wiimote crowd (who will most likely be flailing around like hyperactive children) than for those who use the gcube or classic controllers.
Plus, SSB is a fighting game--you have to hit buttons to do things in fighting games. If there is no benefit to pressing the button over just holding it, it sounds more and more like the controls are being tooled for people under 10, or at least simplified to a mind-numbing extent.
I do like the inclusion of Dr. Wright though, that's a cameo I didn't expect, and it actually seems like a pretty cool old addition. (For those of us who actually remember him, anyway.)
Fair enough :)
And Waffle, I guess the problem with Phoenix is is that he is a third-party character, which gievs him much less chance to be in. I doubt Nintendo would go through the trouble of getting his rights and then just putting him in as a trophy or Assist Trophy - he'll be playable, or he won't be in at all.
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Kenjimurasame wrote:
Just because other people (I included) don't like something that you do doesn't mean we can't discuss it. Right now it's all speculation to begin with, but the fact is I don't particularly like the control scheme much since it seems overly simplified to appease the need of having 4 different control schemes.
Also, like kryptonite said, there is the possibility that those who wish to 'tap' could be at some slight disadvantage--how much or even if there is one remains to be seen.
Also, like kryptonite said, there is the possibility that those who wish to 'tap' could be at some slight disadvantage--how much or even if there is one remains to be seen.
In my opinion, there won't be any disadvantage at all... at the beginning. Frames are still the same whether you hold or press, so holding A or going AAA for the basic 3-hit is the same, so long as you input the AAA in the standard SSBM timeframe (unless they tampered with that, and looking by the entry's words, they did a small lengthening of it...).
However, if you can Negative Edge a Smash attack, then this becomes broken.
I find this an extremely idiotic design decision myself, but it won't deter my enjoyment of the game.
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If it works great (or, I should say, causes no direct problems or unfair advantages) that would very much be the best outcome, though.
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I don't really know if it will deter enjoyment or not, but it's just a decision that as of now I don't really like, so it's sort of turned me off a bit.
You and me both, but since I don't plan on playing SSBB at any sort of tournament level anyway...
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To be brutally honest, I've always thought that people who play any Smash game 'competitively' need to have their fingers chopped off.
But competitive or not I'd rather not have a gameplay mechanic spoil the fun.
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I still don't know what they were babbling about. All I know is that I cleaned the stage with their copses.
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If you're going to do "hardcore" smash playing, sure, go ahead, if that works for you. But don't say you're the best of the world when you can only win with Sheik or Fox without items >_>
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Anyway, today's update was the old SSB64 item that everyone had a love/hate relationship with: the Bumper.
Bit of a mweh update, but it's E3 week, so you can't expect too much.
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Wooster wrote:
I don't think I'll ever fully understand the world of the 'hard core' smash player. I went to play against a few kids from Class and they were like 'Omg, Kirby's Low Tier, you shouldn't play him'.
I still don't know what they were babbling about. All I know is that I cleaned the stage with their copses.
I still don't know what they were babbling about. All I know is that I cleaned the stage with their copses.
These people don't understand that, in a 4-player melee, the tiers are changed and aren't even established because items level the playing field.
Hell, I took Marth to a tournament, and I got eliminated pretty early in the final rounds due to the fact that they were 4-player item melees, and Icicle Mountain was one of the stages used (when it would have been illegal in high-level tourney play).
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Wooster wrote:
Can someone explain to me the concept of the Tier and actually, what's the point of it? A character is only as good as you play with it or so I'm lead to believe.
Tiers involve how good a character is in the 'meta' game, where things like speed, attack power, special moves, regular combos, and character 'quirks' (in a regular fighting game this would be something like an infinite combo) are brought into account and matched against others to 'rank' them.
However I've always felt that tiers for SB is pretty stupid; even in other fighting games, a character can be 'high tier' but people will suck with them--mostly cause they heard they're 'high tier' and are playing as them because of it, not because they know what they're doing.
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I uploaded the teaser of Brawl on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQX10L7iuRM
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Tinker wrote:
Also, Donkey Kong is confirmed.
I uploaded the teaser of Brawl on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQX10L7iuRM
I uploaded the teaser of Brawl on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQX10L7iuRM
Sweet! I'm happy to hear that Donkey Kong is staying in for another game.
And did I spot JigglyPuff at 0:40-0:41 rolling to left side of screen? I don't think it was Kirby but it's hard to tell.
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On a side note, I didn't realize before that fox now spins during his B-up move. Also, it won't be long before be get DK's Final Smash. I'm hoping for some sort of Gig-Bowser-esque transformation myself... or for DK to bury his opponents under an avalanch made up of his enormous Banana Horde or something, either way.
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
On a side note, I didn't realize before that fox now spins during his B-up move. Also, it won't be long before be get DK's Final Smash. I'm hoping for some sort of Gig-Bowser-esque transformation myself... or for DK to bury his opponents under an avalanch made up of his enormous Banana Horde or something, either way.
Either that, or since it's the game of cameos, DK summons up the DK crew which automatically attacks everyone on the screen.
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Kenjimurasame wrote:
However I've always felt that tiers for SB is pretty stupid; even in other fighting games, a character can be 'high tier' but people will suck with them--mostly cause they heard they're 'high tier' and are playing as them because of it, not because they know what they're doing.
Depending on the game, rather.
Sagat was stupid strong in CvS2 and was very easy to master. c.FP xx level 2 Ground Tiger Cannon xx level 1 Tiger Cannon, anyone?
And all that requires is 3 button presses and 4 hadouken motions.
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Attorney Hatman wrote:
Kenjimurasame wrote:
However I've always felt that tiers for SB is pretty stupid; even in other fighting games, a character can be 'high tier' but people will suck with them--mostly cause they heard they're 'high tier' and are playing as them because of it, not because they know what they're doing.
Depending on the game, rather.
Sagat was stupid strong in CvS2 and was very easy to master. c.FP xx level 2 Ground Tiger Cannon xx level 1 Tiger Cannon, anyone?
And all that requires is 3 button presses and 4 hadouken motions.
CvS2 is almost goddamn broken to begin with, though--Sagat is stupid powerful on most any Groove, and Sakura is broke as hell on A Groove if you know what you're doing.
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Kenjimurasame wrote:
CvS2 is almost goddamn broken to begin with, though--Sagat is stupid powerful on most any Groove, and Sakura is broke as hell on A Groove if you know what you're doing.
We didn't even get into roll cancelling yet, even!
Same with MvC2... practically any n00b can be good with Cable. I know. I've been there.
Some games shouldn't have tiers because the differences between the characters aren't that clear cut (well... in SSBM's case, anyone but Bowser was decent enough to be a contender except in 1v1 Final Destination no items)... others, well, they're Capcom fighting games or Tekken.
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Attorney Hatman wrote:
Kenjimurasame wrote:
CvS2 is almost goddamn broken to begin with, though--Sagat is stupid powerful on most any Groove, and Sakura is broke as hell on A Groove if you know what you're doing.
We didn't even get into roll cancelling yet, even!
Same with MvC2... practically any n00b can be good with Cable. I know. I've been there.
Some games shouldn't have tiers because the differences between the characters aren't that clear cut (well... in SSBM's case, anyone but Bowser was decent enough to be a contender except in 1v1 Final Destination no items)... others, well, they're Capcom fighting games or Tekken.
Haha, 1v1 FD N-Items is like the ultimate SSBM tourneyfag setting.
And MvC2 was such garbage. I remember someone telling me once that the game was 'all about air combos' and my cable killed him before he even left the ground.
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I'm rather intrested with Bowser's Final Smash for this game.
Giga Bowser/ What the hell?
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Of course, the stage brings with it an issue; to date, no stages have been featured without a series/franchise character that accompanies it, and vice-versa. If this is still true, who would then best represent AC? I had originally considered Tom Nook, but he's in one of the background shots, or so I've heard. Mr. Resetti, perhaps?
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
Tonight's update is an Animal Crossing-based stage, named Smashville. Features include the time of day, activities and characters in the background matching up with the time of your Wii's clock, much like the actual game. It even seems to include some of the day-specific events, such as K.K. Slider's concerts on Fridays after 8 P.M., and possibly others.
Of course, the stage brings with it an issue; to date, no stages have been featured without a series/franchise character that accompanies it, and vice-versa. If this is still true, who would then best represent AC? I had originally considered Tom Nook, but he's in one of the background shots, or so I've heard. Mr. Resetti, perhaps?
Of course, the stage brings with it an issue; to date, no stages have been featured without a series/franchise character that accompanies it, and vice-versa. If this is still true, who would then best represent AC? I had originally considered Tom Nook, but he's in one of the background shots, or so I've heard. Mr. Resetti, perhaps?
I honestly have to say this is one of my favorite stage updates so far. I was actually taken a bit surprised by it. But I do love how the worked in the different factors into the stage like K.K. Slider's concerts. And the changing characters in the background is just awesome!
I don't think they are actually going make a fighter to appear from the series. I can see some Items and Assist Trophies but None of the characters can really used as fighters. And I think would good that they bend that rule as it allows for more stage designs.
While Mr. Resetti would seem to be a fit, it doesn't work. As the meanest character in the series, he isn't exactly much to take seriously. The worse we seen of him in all 2 games (3 in Japan)is him pretending to turn the game off for a few seconds or flailing around like SSB's Goldeen. The turn-off thing would make a sweet assist trophy.
Also, K.K. Slider's concerts are Saturday's, not Fridays.
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I'm guessing Mr. Resetti will be an Assist Trophy, and that's it for Animal Crossing representatives, since all of the important characters are in the background of this stage already.
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And MvC2 was such garbage. I remember someone telling me once that the game was 'all about air combos' and my cable killed him before he even left the ground.
FPx4, throw grenade.
Repeat until 3 meter.
If you hit with your FP, cancel into AHVB.
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