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http://aussie-gamer.com/article/nintend ... next-year/

To summarize the article: it pinpoints as to what Nintendo will suffer from Sony and Microsoft and should do before they fall.

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I'm pretty much seeing this as a similar thing to the 3DS. I believe sales will go up once more hit franchises come out. I don't think it'll be as popular as the 3DS, but I think it'll pull through just fine. Not only that, compared to other consoles, it's affordable. I had actually considered purchasing one of the new consoles, but I actually went for a Wii U this past week. It had a good bundle deal, it was affordable, and it came with games I was interested in.

One thing I think that people keep on forgetting about Nintendo is that they develop tons of first party games as opposed to other companies. Most of the money the other companies will be getting directly is from their sales on systems whereas Nintendo not only gets its profits from the systems, but the games it sells as well. They don't have to share their earnings with a lot of other companies most of the time because they're the ones who made the game.

I do see a bad side to this because Nintendo really doesn't handle 3rd parties that much, but then again, people who are wanting Nintendo are looking for Mario, Zelda, etc. They aren't looking for 3rd party games like Call of Duty.

Overall, I think Nintendo is going to be just fine. Heck, the Gamecube, I think, did worse overall in terms of sales, yet Nintendo is still okay. It's just the same song and dance everytime Nintendo releases a new console, with people hyping up that Nintendo is going to fail. Realize too, they target a vastly different audience than what Sony and Microsoft do. I never saw Nintendo as competing directly with those two companies. Nintendo does its own thing and I'm perfectly fine with that.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)


I feel the same
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dullahan1 wrote:
I'm pretty much seeing this as a similar thing to the 3DS. I believe sales will go up once more hit franchises come out.

See: Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U and Mario Kart 8 :shoe:

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I had actually considered purchasing one of the new consoles, but I actually went for a Wii U this past week. It had a good bundle deal, it was affordable, and it came with games I was interested in.

Their bundle deals are AWESOME! I bought my Nintendo Wii U from the The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker HD bundle, which includes a downloadable version of the game and the Hyrule Historia which, if you buy all three things separately, will very much cost you over $400. For my Wii U, I have the Wonderful 101 (awesome game), Wind Waker HD (another cult classic remastered) and Super Mario 3D World (one of the best Mario games they've developed).

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One thing I think that people keep on forgetting about Nintendo is that they develop tons of first party games as opposed to other companies.

See: Mario, Link, Metroid, Starfox, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Kid Icarus, Pokemon, Pikmin, Golden Sun, and the subsequent spinoffs of each main franchise.

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IMost of the money the other companies will be getting directly is from their sales on systems whereas Nintendo not only gets its profits from the systems, but the games it sells as well. They don't have to share their earnings with a lot of other companies most of the time because they're the ones who made the game.

And like the article states: since it's a public company, it also has other source of assets.

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I do see a bad side to this because Nintendo really doesn't handle 3rd parties that much, but then again, people who are wanting Nintendo are looking for Mario, Zelda, etc. They aren't looking for 3rd party games like Call of Duty.

Nintendo has pretty much tried to broaden its relationship with third parties a lot nowadays.
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http://aussie-gamer.com/article/nintendo-article/nintendo-wont-forced-discontinue-wii-u-next-year/

To summarize the article: it pinpoints as to what Nintendo will suffer from Sony and Microsoft and should do before they fall.

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Before I get to the emboldened text... was there really any risk of this? Nintendo has been doing quite well for itself, and has been selling many units. The WiiU seriously needs to hurry up its great game production.

I assume this (the emboldened text) is meant jovially, because I don't see any of these guys going down anytime soon: they're doing fairly well. I always wonder why the console war ends in the death of an entire company. Like it's not enough to simply not produce consoles anymore (like Sega and Atari), the company must cease and desist all games while handing over all subsidiaries and franchises in shame. I'll give you that the PS4 is basically the PS3 with more social features, and that the Xbox One is a huge example of what not to do in an ad campaign (and certain design features), and that both have some wildly negative company policies (looking at the "lending, selling, etc." games things, you guys... Sony even moreso for reneging on their promise to the consumer). However, Sony still has strong franchises that stick to it (or at least wait to port the titles to other systems). Xbox One might not have many great titles anticipated for anytime soon beyond a Killer Instinct sequel, but... that's the exact thing we Nintendo fans say to defend the WiiU: the really great games just aren't out yet/are coming out slowly. In fact, we said the same thing about the 3DS, and we were right.

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I'm pretty much seeing this as a similar thing to the 3DS. I believe sales will go up once more hit franchises come out.

See: Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U and Mario Kart 8 :shoe:


Not to mention Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem. That should be quite the underrated crossover smackdown. Y'know, it hit me... holy crap, we're getting a lot of crossovers lately. I mean, we've always had the "Capcom v. anyone that will give us the rights to their characters, seriously, we'll take anything" line of games and Battletoads/Double Dragon, but there really haven't been that many crossovers in gaming until recently. Or maybe I've just been blind to it.

Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze looks interesting, though... I miss K. Rool. A lot. These Wallace & Grommit villains don't really stack-up to the we-just-took-something-on-our-files-and-enlarged-it-and-maybe-added-a-face bosses of yore. Granted, they weren't creative, but K. Rool's bossfight almost always was.

Shadow of the Eternals, the Eternal Darkness sequel is gonna be AMAZING, even if it's only a spiritual sequel. Though my heart breaks that there's yet another psychopathic lesbian antagonist. =/ Seriously, gaming and anime, it's not funny anymore. It's tired, and it's annoying. It's almost as annoying as the whole "if there's a bisexual in a game, they're almost always into kink and casual sex" stereotype. ualdsughlauh

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dullahan1 wrote:
I had actually considered purchasing one of the new consoles, but I actually went for a Wii U this past week. It had a good bundle deal, it was affordable, and it came with games I was interested in.

Their bundle deals are AWESOME! I bought my Nintendo Wii U from the The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker HD bundle, which includes a downloadable version of the game and the Hyrule Historia which, if you buy all three things separately, will very much cost you over $400. For my Wii U, I have the Wonderful 101 (awesome game), Wind Waker HD (another cult classic remastered) and Super Mario 3D World (one of the best Mario games they've developed).


I bought mine at or around launch- I can't remember which. I originally got ZombiU close after, but I sold it a short while afterwords. Not a bad game, but I just couldn't beat it. It was interesting- it was like Metroid had a baby with Resident Evil and roguelikes. Currently, Pikmin 3 is my only game for it, but that should change someday.

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dullahan1 wrote:
One thing I think that people keep on forgetting about Nintendo is that they develop tons of first party games as opposed to other companies.

See: Mario, Link, Metroid, Starfox, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Kid Icarus, Pokemon, Pikmin, Golden Sun, and the subsequent spinoffs of each main franchise.


Not to mention franchises that frequently appear on Nintendo exclusively: Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, Brain Age, Clayfighter (though discontinued), Bubsy (discontinued), what used to be Rare franchises until they were bought by Microsoft, the SMT mother franchise, The Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor franchise, etc.

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dullahan1 wrote:
IMost of the money the other companies will be getting directly is from their sales on systems whereas Nintendo not only gets its profits from the systems, but the games it sells as well. They don't have to share their earnings with a lot of other companies most of the time because they're the ones who made the game.

And like the article states: since it's a public company, it also has other source of assets.


Just like Sony and Microsoft. The fact htat Sony and Microsoft didn't start as gaming companies means they've already successfully diversified into other venues. It'd sorta be weird (though nice) to see Nintendo-brand gaming laptops, televisions (or at least screens that are attached to the consoles), etc. It's why none of the companies will be bowing out of the console wars anytime soon, unless Xbone has any more major issues and scandals (seriously, Microsoft, the patent for an always-on camera that views into our rooms? Creepy even if you never follow through with it.), or decides to further dilute gaming consoles (Look! the PS5 can use... the internet. Because no one has computers!).

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dullahan1 wrote:
I do see a bad side to this because Nintendo really doesn't handle 3rd parties that much, but then again, people who are wanting Nintendo are looking for Mario, Zelda, etc. They aren't looking for 3rd party games like Call of Duty.

Nintendo has pretty much tried to broaden its relationship with third parties a lot nowadays.


They've already done so- and continue to do so- quite successfully. If we're not counting licensed titles (except Strong Bad's Cool Games For Attractive Peoples- we'll count that), Nintendo does plenty of work already with Capcom, Level 5, Ubisoft, and even a little with Bioware and EA (despite EA game-blocking us from their non-sports titles).
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I don't see why they should discontinue the WiiU. Heck, if it's because of the matter of no "good games" being out on the system, I could say that Sony and Microsoft can shove the PS4 and ONE right back up their asses instantly. I see no really good games coming out on the PS4 as of yet, ditto on the ONE.

As others have said, other games will come out. It's just taking time. Yes, they could technically have made several games that are worthwhile playing on the WiiU while the console was designed, instead of giving us the same Mario game from the Wii and slap the U on it or a little party-game thing that nobody would really play, anyway.
Then again, I dislike party-games except Mario Party, but that is not what Nintendo Land is...

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Good because I was hoping to get one this Christmas and it wouldn't do if they went out of business next year.

Excited for:
X (that xenoblade-lookin game)
Wind Waker (as I missed out first time round and enjoyed the DS sequels)
Super Mario 3D World
ZombiU
SSB4
Mysterious new Zelda
Sonic Lost Worlds

And I'm sure there will be another few mysterious delights that show up like Madworld and Disaster:day of crisis did for the Wii.

Seems plenty reason to get it for me.
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Good because I was hoping to get one this Christmas and it wouldn't do if they went out of business next year.

Excited for:
X (that xenoblade-lookin game)
Wind Waker (as I missed out first time round and enjoyed the DS sequels)
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Super Mario 3D World
[/b]ZombiU
SSB4
Mysterious new Zelda
Sonic Lost Worlds

And I'm sure there will be another few mysterious delights that show up like Madworld and Disaster:day of crisis did for the Wii.

Seems plenty reason to get it for me.

You're missing out these great games, so you should DEFINITELY give them a try. :phoenix:
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Good because I was hoping to get one this Christmas and it wouldn't do if they went out of business next year.

Excited for:
X (that xenoblade-lookin game)
Wind Waker (as I missed out first time round and enjoyed the DS sequels)
[b]
Super Mario 3D World
[/b]ZombiU
SSB4
Mysterious new Zelda
Sonic Lost Worlds

And I'm sure there will be another few mysterious delights that show up like Madworld and Disaster:day of crisis did for the Wii.

Seems plenty reason to get it for me.

You're missing out these great games, so you should DEFINITELY give them a try. :phoenix:


Yeah I was planning on getting the special wind waker wii u bundle this christmas.
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I just bought a Wii U a few weeks ago, while everyone was going gaga over the PS4. Honestly, after hearing about a lot of hardware problems Sony and Microsoft are having, I think I made the right choice with my Wii U purchase. I only have The Wind Waker HD right now, but I'm probably going to get Super Mario 3D World sometime before Christmas and there's quite a few games coming out next year that I'm interested in. I may get a PS4 after a couple of price drops and some worthwhile games come out, but as of right now I have no desire to get either of the "big two".
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Eh, my problem with the PS4 is it only has an HDMI cable. And you have to have the pay-for-it Playstation Network Plus to gain online features. And yeah, no good games on it yet... really, why bring consoles out before good games are made for it? Dead or Alive 3 was made for the release of the Xbox. (Or was that Dead or Alive 4 made for the release of the 360?)

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Eh, my problem with the PS4 is it only has an HDMI cable. And you have to have the pay-for-it Playstation Network Plus to gain online features. And yeah, no good games on it yet... really, why bring consoles out before good games are made for it? Dead or Alive 3 was made for the release of the Xbox. (Or was that Dead or Alive 4 made for the release of the 360?)

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Huh? HD consoles are starting to come with HDMI cables and not the red-white-yellow set.
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Yeah, the Wii U only came with an HDMI cable, but I don't have an HDTV so I had to use the AV cables for the Wii.
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Eh, my problem with the PS4 is it only has an HDMI cable. And you have to have the pay-for-it Playstation Network Plus to gain online features. And yeah, no good games on it yet... really, why bring consoles out before good games are made for it? Dead or Alive 3 was made for the release of the Xbox. (Or was that Dead or Alive 4 made for the release of the 360?)

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Huh? HD consoles are starting to come with HDMI cables and not the red-white-yellow set.


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Wait, HD consoles still come with a port for the standard definition cables?
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Huh? HD consoles are starting to come with HDMI cables and not the red-white-yellow set.


Oh it doesn't bother me... well, it bothers me a little. I think my TV has HD but I am not sure. But I overall don't CARE about HD. And there are people who don't have HD TVs. I read here that you can play it now with the other cables, but still.

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HD didn't bother me until games recently started making their text tiny and impossible to read in standard definition...looking at you dynasty warriors.
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HD didn't bother me until games recently started making their text tiny and impossible to read in standard definition...looking at you dynasty warriors.


This. Add Dishonored and Farcry 3 to the list as well.
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*wanders in like two months later* Psssshhh. I can count on my hands the number of games I've wanted on non-Nintendo consoles in recent years. Even if I don't remember most of their names. In contrast... *looks at shelf* nintendo nintendo nintendo nintendo nintendo *whistles* Dear old Ninty's not going away anytime soon... so money on microsoft y/y

And wait wait wait Wii U's an HD console!? Why do I live under a rocknot know of this!?
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*wanders in like two months later* Psssshhh. I can count on my hands the number of games I've wanted on non-Nintendo consoles in recent years. Even if I don't remember most of their names. In contrast... *looks at shelf* nintendo nintendo nintendo nintendo nintendo *whistles* Dear old Ninty's not going away anytime soon... so money on microsoft y/y

And wait wait wait Wii U's an HD console!? Why do I live under a rocknot know of this!?


Yep as shiny and fancy as a PS3 or Xbox...if you're into that thing. Aesthetics have never really been a big thing or really necessary for their games.
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I see no point in HD graphics... I guess they're nice, but not really necessary...

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I see no point in HD graphics... I guess they're nice, but not really necessary...

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Really...really unnecessary, think people put a lot of weight behind them though.
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I see no point in HD graphics... I guess they're nice, but not really necessary...

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Really...really unnecessary, think people put a lot of weight behind them though.


Well, I'm sure some games look great in HD. I wouldn't mind playing DoAX2 with HD, as long as my girls are covered up nicely. And aren't moving... urgh sea-sickness inducing breast jiggle... where was I? Oh yes. The only game I have that I can think of where I think I need HD is Persona 4 Arena.
Then again, haven't touched that in months.

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I see no point in HD graphics... I guess they're nice, but not really necessary...

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Really...really unnecessary, think people put a lot of weight behind them though.


Well, I'm sure some games look great in HD. I wouldn't mind playing DoAX2 with HD, as long as my girls are covered up nicely. And aren't moving... urgh sea-sickness inducing breast jiggle... where was I? Oh yes. The only game I have that I can think of where I think I need HD is Persona 4 Arena.
Then again, haven't touched that in months.

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Really? P4A? How come?

I think games with increasingly tiny writing to the point where it's just blurry in any other way necessitates it.
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Really? P4A? How come?


The controls/combos aren't properly displayed. I can't recognize something as a quarter-circle arrow, cause it looks like two separate button pushes to me.

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And wait wait wait Wii U's an HD console!? Why do I live under a rocknot know of this!?


Yep as shiny and fancy as a PS3 or Xbox...if you're into that thing. Aesthetics have never really been a big thing or really necessary for their games.


HD's not really that much of a selling point for me; it doesn't make or break any of my decisions. It certainly helps if I'm staring at the graphics like "ooh hey how did they do that I wanna try drawing/modeling that!!", but that's not usually the case with Nintendo... Although, considering how there seem to be lines of static running down the screen every time I play my seven-year-old Wii, it sounds as though getting to play on a Wii U just might be a breath of fresh air...
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Yep as shiny and fancy as a PS3 or Xbox...if you're into that thing. Aesthetics have never reallyeen a big thing or really necessary for their games.


This :phoenix: I own a PS3 and Vita as well as a Wii U and 3DS, and I can firmly say that Ninty is way more enjoyable to me.
Why? Well...

Console-wise:The Wii had some stellar stuff to offer: Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, the Metroid Prime Trilogy and of course, both Legend of Zelda games. Those were probably some of the funnest games I've ever played, despite the fact they were made on an 'inferior' system to the PS3. The PS3 did have some good titles that I properly enjoyed, nothing felt nowhere near as enjoyable as these phenomonal titles.

Portable-wise: Persona 4 Golden for the Vita is probably one of the best games I've ever played, bar none: I've replayed it so many times just because I'm in love with the story, the setting, the characters, the gameplay and the soundtrack. Honestly, it very well may be my favorite game- or if not, one of them- of all time. However, that is essentially all I really got the Vita for and is the only game (in my opinion) currently worth owning for the Vita. Thee 3DS on the otherhand has a plethora of awesome hits that just keep on coming and show no sign of stopping: Dual Destinies, Fire Emblem Awakening, A Link Between Worlds, Luigi's Mansion, Kid Icarus Uprising, Star Fox 64, etc. While none of these quite top the awesomeness that is Persona 4 (with the possible exception of Dual-Destinies, for obvious biased fanboy reasons), they are all still stellar games in their own right. As such, the 3DS is in my mind the superior system, though the Vita is still something worth owning.

In Conclusion: Nintendo> Sony. Period. Graphics are nice, but they in themselves don't make a difference if the game isn't as fun as it could be, and Nintendo has always proved itself to be the best at producing quality, classic games that have this in spades. As such, I have every hope that the Wii U is here to stay :apollo:

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