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Author:  EliteGamerX [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:22 am ]
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I'm curious....
There are a handful of classic gaming titles out there with a seemingly endless cast of characters, but how many of them continue to influence their respective universes....
....after they're dead.

No, I don't mean dead as in "hasn't been released since 1985" dead.
I'm talking about characters that have been killed off in the story....and never came back.

We know Aerith/Aeris (FF7) and, probably Dahlia (PW3) have played major roles in their stories long after their deaths.
Personally, I feel that Dr. Wily (Megaman) and Geese Howard (SNK VS) also fall into this catagory.
For the former, just look back at original MM-MMZero. Not only does his own creation survive longer than Dr. Light's (original X's body was destroyed in Z2; Zero's original body was destroyed in Z3), but his work continues to influence much of the current universe (ZX). Some people are begining to believe he's pulling the strings....after over 500 years?!
As for the latter, consider this: almost every SNK fighting game points back to Geese. He's been the central figure in THREE separate titles (AoF, FF, and KoF, naturally) as well as the founder of the KoF tournament. Even after his death, he shadow continues to linger over Southtown, both figuratively and literally.
The incident concerning the Jin scrolls only adds to the mystery surrounding his final leap from Geese Tower in FF3.
I could go on about this, but I'm sure you know where I'm coming from on this.

Can anyone else think of any dead characters that still play a crucial role in their respective series?

Author:  AngryAsianAce [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:35 am ]
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Liquid Snake (errrrm his Hand I mean) he is like living somehow. Thats like one amazing hand.

Author:  Holy Hell [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:37 am ]
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I LIVE ON IN THIS ARM

BROTHA

Author:  AngryAsianAce [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:28 pm ]
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Makes some people think, If Ocolet hypothetically wanted to wack-off. He would most likely avoid using his "new" hand right?

Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:32 pm ]
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He'd do autofellatio.

Author:  Mikker [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:44 pm ]
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Spoiler: Drakengard 1&2
Hiarach Verdelet, Drakengard 2. Also, Furiae in Drakengard 1.


Spoiler: Portal
Cave Johnson of Aprature Science= :grey:
Also, Weighted Companion Cube quite qualifies for this one, too. XD


Spoiler: FFX
Tidus, Final Fantasy X-2


Spoiler: Half-Life 2
Dr. Breen


Spoiler: Breath of Fire DQ
Odjn the dragon


All I can think of for now...

Author:  Rov [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:31 am ]
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Spoiler: MegaMan. BIIIIG SPOILERS
MegaMan dies when Zero is activated and apparently kills everyone. Zero dies. Then again, he died numerous times in the X series. But this time it's completely. Until ZX came out, in which case his soul is still alive within a floating metallic artifact known as a Biometal/Live Metal. X dies in the Zero series, but also comes back as a Biometal. Phantom dies because Zero kills him, but he comes back as a Biometal. Harpuia, Fefnir, and Leviathan all die when Omega explodes, but they all come back as biometals. Don't you just love the MegaMan series?

Author:  AngryAsianAce [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:59 am ]
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
He'd do autofellatio.


So are you implying that Liquids hand is its own organism attached to another organism which can be capable of performing fellatio...Automatically?

Author:  Cassik [ Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:20 am ]
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What about Mia... She influenced Pheonix after her own death... But onto other characters that have died and still had a major influence on the shape of the world. Sephiroth, he died and yet his shadow still lingered on in Clouds heart which made him capable of assuming a physical Form. (Beat him in KH2 and you will find out why he never truly goes away).

Author:  BJWanlund [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:52 am ]
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Cassik wrote:
What about Mia... She influenced Pheonix after her own death...

Good point, my good man/woman/whatever.

BJ

Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:49 am ]
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Cassik wrote:
Sephiroth, he died and yet his shadow still lingered on in Clouds heart which made him capable of assuming a physical Form. (Beat him in KH2 and you will find out why he never truly goes away).



The real reason is that he has a million or so drooling fanboys. ;)

Author:  T3h_Waffleman [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:55 am ]
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
Cassik wrote:
Sephiroth, he died and yet his shadow still lingered on in Clouds heart which made him capable of assuming a physical Form. (Beat him in KH2 and you will find out why he never truly goes away).



The real reason is that he has a million or so drooling fangirls. ;)


Fixed.

Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:00 am ]
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Girls don't play the vidya.

*inb4wisearsepointsoutthelargenumberoffemaleusersoncourtrecords*

Author:  Wocky Kitaki [ Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:26 pm ]
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Spoiler: MM3
Don't forget Protoman/Blues is killed in the 3rd game and is rebuilt for the future games.

Author:  Mitzy [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:03 pm ]
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Spoiler: major FFX spoilers
Technically, Auron was dead the whole time, if you think about it--he'd been killed when he tried to take on Yunalesca out of rage after Braska and Jecht died to take down Sin. And he's not "sent" until right around the end of the game--so he pretty much has an impact on almost the whole game.

Author:  Jibo [ Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:23 pm ]
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Spoiler: Ōkami
Shiranui and Nagi. Considering you go back in time in the game to where the two were still alive also makes their deaths more relevant, even though they never died in battle.


Spoiler: Tales of Symphonia.
This one seems the most relevant; Martel. Humans killed her forcing Mithos to hate everyone and gradually become the main antagonist. Martel even inspired the first religion in the game. She has completely affected the world of ToS.

Author:  Xero Wright [ Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:00 am ]
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Spoiler: MM3
Protoman didn't die in the third game. He was playing his flute during the ending, and came back again in the fifth game. There was no rebuilding.


Spoiler: MAJOR MEGAMAN ZX SPOILERS
Erm, doesn't Omega have his biometal too? Model O? Or Model OX when he combines with the main protagonist. I saw it in-game.

Author:  T3h_Waffleman [ Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:58 pm ]
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Spoiler: Okami
Technically, Rao was dead the whole time, but was still a major character. But it was Ninetails, so I guess it dun caunt.

Author:  Rov [ Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:55 pm ]
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Xero Wright wrote:
Spoiler: MAJOR MEGAMAN ZX SPOILERS
Erm, doesn't Omega have his biometal too? Model O? Or Model OX when he combines with the main protagonist. I saw it in-game.

Spoiler: MAJOR MEGAMAN ZX SPOILERS
In MegaMan ZX you can fight Omega, but to obtain his Biometal you have to fight the bosses from MegaMan Zero 3 or 4 by inserting the game into the GBA slot of the DS. I think you have to fight Omega before fighting the bosses, but anyways, he dies, yeah.

Author:  DaemonForce [ Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:19 pm ]
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Spoiler: Castlevania
Simon Belmont

Author:  Wrestler Hatman [ Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:10 pm ]
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Spoiler: "Final Fight: Streetwise"
Father Bella's real last name is Belger... the end boss from Final Fight 1 who gets uppercutted through a window, curtesy of Cody. Because of Belger's death...
-Cody landed in jail, twice.
-Metro City was almost taken over by drug-addicted thugs
-Guy becomes some sort of ninja yakuza boss
-Haggar loses his two best friends in ass-kicking.

Author:  Wocky Kitaki [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:20 pm ]
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Xero Wright wrote:
Spoiler: MM3
Protoman didn't die in the third game. He was playing his flute during the ending, and came back again in the fifth game. There was no rebuilding.


Spoiler: MM3
I thought That was supposed to represent his spirit lives on.

Author:  Xero Wright [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:41 pm ]
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Spoiler: MM3
No, he saves Rockman and drops him off at Light's Lab. There is no sign of his death at all; in fact, if you recall, Blues continually evades Light's Lab, for reasons he explains in The Power Fighters.

Author:  Mikker [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:20 pm ]
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Takita wrote:
Xero Wright wrote:
Spoiler: MM3
Protoman didn't die in the third game. He was playing his flute during the ending, and came back again in the fifth game. There was no rebuilding.


Spoiler: MM3
I thought That was supposed to represent his spirit lives on.


Spoiler: MM
Wow.

Wow, wow, wow.

I'm amazed. The fact that Xero said 'came back again in the 5th game', completely ignoring his role in the 4th, is quite... amazing. He was in Mega Man 4 too. He was the one who rescued Kalinka, remember? And it was the first time he was called protoman, I believe.

But as always, Mega Man 4 comes out as being invisible to everyone. How sad.

Author:  Wocky Kitaki [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:33 pm ]
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Mikker wrote:

Spoiler: MM
Wow.

Wow, wow, wow.

I'm amazed. The fact that Xero said 'came back again in the 5th game', completely ignoring his role in the 4th, is quite... amazing. He was in Mega Man 4 too. He was the one who rescued Kalinka, remember? And it was the first time he was called protoman, I believe.

But as always, Mega Man 4 comes out as being invisible to everyone. How sad.



Spoiler: MM4
But Megaman 4 was awesome....

Author:  Wrestlemania [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:47 pm ]
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I have no idea to be honest... I agree with the Mia one, Dahlia as well... I guess Godot doesn't count... hmm...

Does Roxas count? I don't exactly know...

Author:  Xero Wright [ Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:54 am ]
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I haven't played Megaman 4 in ages. Though I played 3 and 5 not too long ago.

Spare my long term memory some grief, Mikker. Not everyone has a perfect memory of every game they've played. =\

Spoiler: MM3
Oh, and no, he was called Protoman as well in MM3. "Oh, it must be your brother, Protoman..." said Light at the end of MM3. And he was Number 00 in the credits, also under the name Protoman.


So don't go insulting others' memories if you can't remember something as simple as that, yourself.

Author:  Mikker [ Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:17 am ]
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I wasn't insulting your memory, but every sane person should be playing Megaman 4 at least once a day. Not playing Mega Man 4 should, in fact, be a capital crime XD

edit: and I didn't insult your sanity either :P

Author:  Wrestlemania [ Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:02 pm ]
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Oh Yeah! Does Gregory Edgeworth count? All of 1-4 and DL-6 revolved around him, so....?

Author:  Xero Wright [ Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:09 pm ]
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Mikker, I still prefer 3 XD Because you get to fight all the MM2 bosses in it as well... Though for some reason I find myself playing MMIV (For the GB) a lot as well. Despite the fact that the final levels get too tedious.

Anyway, aside from the OT-ness, yeah Gregory kind of counts, as he's shadowed a lot.

Author:  PrinceDaniel07 [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:37 am ]
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Loto from Dragon Warrior? They acted like his spirit was in his old equipment, you needed to collect it all to kill the obligatory pure bad ass boss.

Author:  Wrestlemania [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:11 pm ]
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Does the main character's mother count from Secret Of Mana?

Author:  EliteGamerX [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:39 am ]
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These are some pretty good characters mentioned here.
As for specifications, I am referring to characters who...:
Spoiler: Has died, preferably during the course of the game
Example: FFVII's Aeris Gainsborough


Spoiler: Has played, and continues to play a major role in the game/series
Example: DL-6 and Mia Fey in the Ace Attorney series.


Spoiler: No stationary, inanimate objects unless the situation is specified.
Like it or not, reploids/androids/robots are not "human", but since they're quite mobile, they're acceptable.


Spoiler: Above all else, they must remain dead in the official storyline. They CAN'T BE REVIVED (previous ressurrections/incarnations are allowed)
MMX/Z's Zero has been torn apart, blown to bits, and brought to the brink of death many times. However, it is safe to say that he was finally silenced during the Ragnarok Crisis in MMZ4. Therefore, he is allowed.


That's all I can think of right now, but I think that pretty much sums it all up.

Author:  Xero Wright [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:19 am ]
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Spoiler: Mega Man X/Z/XZ
Actually, Zero's still alive, as a Live Biometal called Model Z. Who can talk. Same with X being Model X. So, yet again, they're both still half-live in a way... but at least all they can do is fuse with Aile or Vent and make them become a version of X (or both).

Author:  Wrestlemania [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:55 am ]
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Model Z, eh?.... well, at least it's not Coach Z....

Author:  Rov [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:32 pm ]
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Xero Wright wrote:
Spoiler: Mega Man X/Z/XZ
Actually, Zero's still alive, as a Live Biometal called Model Z. Who can talk. Same with X being Model X. So, yet again, they're both still half-live in a way... but at least all they can do is fuse with Aile or Vent and make them become a version of X (or both).

Technically this is correct, but they have no memories of their past lives, and although they have personalities, they are merely tools used in order to achieve power.

Author:  Wrestlemania [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:23 pm ]
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Do the skeletal bodies in Phantom Hourglass count?

Author:  Aevitas [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:27 pm ]
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How about just about everything that attacks you in the Fatal Frame series? ;D

Author:  laserpotato [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:44 pm ]
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Sorry, but
Spoiler:
Simon Belmont dies at the end of Castlevania 2, not Castlevania. The ending (actually, three of them) in the original Japanese version of CV2 state that Simon kicks the bucket. The "best" ending has an obvious sequel hook (Dracula's hand rising out of the grave) that implied a direct sequel that wasn't realized until Harmony of Dissonance over a decade later. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched, Konami.

Author:  EliteGamerX [ Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:54 am ]
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laserpotato wrote:
Sorry, but
Spoiler:
Simon Belmont dies at the end of Castlevania 2, not Castlevania. The ending (actually, three of them) in the original Japanese version of CV2 state that Simon kicks the bucket. The "best" ending has an obvious sequel hook (Dracula's hand rising out of the grave) that implied a direct sequel that wasn't realized until Harmony of Dissonance over a decade later. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched, Konami.


Spoiler:
While there have been many Belmonts throughout the series, only three of them have stood out among the others:
-Leon Belmont, the first in the clan to take arms against the forces of darkness.
-Simon Belmont, the first playable Belmont (seriously!)
-Lastly, Richter Belmont, the last Belmont to wield Vampire Killer before the clan's much deserved break from slaying Dracula. Oh, and he's the Whip's Memory.

I would love to include Sonia Belmont into the list (the only female Belmont recorded to have fought against Dracula's forces), but the current canon discounts her existence, which kinda sucks. Oh, well. Maybe IGA will change his mind someday.

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