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Author:  ParrotMan01 [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:23 pm ]
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*looks at argument* .....my god....ly arms......

When I got Paper Mario on the VC I was expecting a Mario game with a less than few RPG elements. I was not expecting an RPG.
Mr. Gota, I'm sorry I've gotten you mad in the past, I forgot that the Zelda bats had names(peeps).

Mr. WTM(darn) I appreciate what your doing, but you see the results.
As for the Blue Dragon game, I heard that it was very bland, if I had a 360, I'd skip it.
Author:  Jibo [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:08 pm ]
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Walkie Talkie Man wrote:
Jibo wrote:
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most RPG's have gotten crap now.

Blue Dragon


Kids with spikey hair fighting generic monsters. The story is supposedly shit. I'll take my Persona 3 and Paper Mario, thank you.

Supposedly!? You're a fucking reject. Can't you make your own opinions?
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:21 pm ]
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I've been meaning to give Blue Dragon a try, though I'll wait for the price to drop.
Author:  Jibo [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:23 pm ]
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I've only played 10 minutes of the demo; I need a 360 so badly.
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:39 pm ]
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-______________________-


You recommended a game that you've only played 10 minutes of?


Eternal Sonata would have been a better choice. Mo' fuckin' Chopin.
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:57 pm ]
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So it's not a true RPG, doesn't alter the fact that most RPG's have gotten crap now. There, I said it. It's mostly just random kids with spiky hair who fight generic monsters. People are tired of those, which is why KotOR was so well liked; it did things differently and it actually had an interesting storyline.


Erm, the majority of RPGs have always been absolute shit, you're acting as if 'Belts and Zippers' are a new thing.


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I think story and fun > Gameplay mechanics,


I lol'd. Obviously gameplay is not the most important aspect of a game, what on Earth was I thinking? As for fun, fuck your fun, games are art; if you want fun then you can go outside and play with the kids down the lane.

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Also on a side note, who are you to tell us how we should spell 'bawww', you're not the queen of the internet.


Correct. I am the King.


EDIT: Before Bleachlover comes in a bawwwws about a double post, I'd like to point out that I had to... silly 3 quotes per post rule.
Author:  ParrotMan01 [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:19 am ]
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I haven't complained about a double post in a while.

Did you see what I wrote?
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:19 am ]
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Yes, and you got the bloody name wrong again. >:/

K-e-e-s-e.
Author:  ParrotMan01 [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:22 am ]
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Ok fine Keese ....happy, or is that another illusion? :garyuu:

they're still bats though...J/K LOLZ
Author:  Mr. Bear Jew [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:18 am ]
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Jibo wrote:
I've only played 10 minutes of the demo; I need a 360 so badly.


Bitte? Excuse me? You've only played 10 minutes and you're condemning me about not making my own opinion about the plot?

Okay dude, whatever.
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:43 am ]
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His point still stands, idort.

Jibo never actually implied that the plot was good, he simply called you an idiot for not forming your opinion on the plot.
Author:  9876543210 [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:19 am ]
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
Walkie Talkie Man wrote:
This topic has lost me already. Way to go, numb nuts.


Oh shut the fuck up, your efforts at antagonising me are among the saddest I've seen. You want to piss me off, and have my lather you with attention, act more like Naruhadou, Bleachlover or Cornered Citizen, you pathetic little fucker.



Go Gears!!!
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:21 am ]
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And so my secret fan club begins... whose alt be ye?
Author:  Gerkuman [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:58 am ]
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So in other words, you don't care about enjoying a game but in how it's made? I'm glad you're in the minority there, otherwise the industry would be doomed.

Anyway, by gameplay mechanics I meant the engines it uses. I couldn't care less if Paper Mario isn't a 'true' RPG because it isn't half-arsed. They put a lot of time and effort into them. And I say it again, a RPG with a crap story isn't worth playing.
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:13 am ]
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Gerkuman wrote:
So in other words, you don't care about enjoying a game but in how it's made? I'm glad you're in the minority there, otherwise the industry would be doomed.

Anyway, by gameplay mechanics I meant the engines it uses. I couldn't care less if Paper Mario isn't a 'true' RPG because it isn't half-arsed. They put a lot of time and effort into them. And I say it again, a RPG with a crap story isn't worth playing.


The industry has been doomed for a while now, thanks to good ol' Nintendo. And what the fuck, how a game is made directly affects your enjoyment of it, how fucking daft are you?

Also, lol @ Paper Mario not being half-arsed.
Author:  Mr. Bear Jew [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:45 pm ]
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
Gerkuman wrote:
So in other words, you don't care about enjoying a game but in how it's made? I'm glad you're in the minority there, otherwise the industry would be doomed.

Anyway, by gameplay mechanics I meant the engines it uses. I couldn't care less if Paper Mario isn't a 'true' RPG because it isn't half-arsed. They put a lot of time and effort into them. And I say it again, a RPG with a crap story isn't worth playing.


The industry has been doomed for a while now, thanks to good ol' Nintendo. And what the fuck, how a game is made directly affects your enjoyment of it, how fucking daft are you?

Also, lol @ Paper Mario not being half-arsed.


Explain how it is...?
Author:  dullahan1 [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:49 pm ]
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I personally would love to see a game made by Gears, just to see his idea of a perfect game. I think it would be quite interesting.
Author:  ParrotMan01 [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:57 pm ]
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I think that Paper Mario, might be a little half-baked. Speaking of comedy movie references, I think they might have been smoking weed when they made this game. It's ok, but the concept is a bit....off.
I won't elaborate further.
Author:  Mr. Bear Jew [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:47 pm ]
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dullahan1 wrote:
I personally would love to see a game made by Gears, just to see his idea of a perfect game. I think it would be quite interesting.


That WOULD be interesting to see.
Author:  Xero Wright [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:13 pm ]
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... If you don't have fun with a game, what the fuck is the point playing it? I don't see the point, Gears. Yes, how it's made is very important, but if you don't have fun and aren't awed by the way it's presented, it's a shit game no matter how well it may look. The biggest and strongest castle has its Achilles' Heel, just like all games do.

Also, I agree, Jibo at least played part of the game, so he has a bit of an opinion. At least, on the DEMO. Not on the actual GAME. And we all know that some full games have turned out much, MUCH worse than their demos, so I would go against recommending a game to someone because of the DEMO.

I like Paper Mario because it's just different. I mean yeah it's the same old Mario bashing Goombas yada yada shit shit etc. etc... But fuck, it's MARIO. What else are you going to get!? Even in Galaxy you get the same enemies (But damn is that game awesome), but you get a different gameplay style. Paper Mario wasn't the best, sure, but it sure holds a place in a lot of Mario fans' hearts.

And lol. Super Mario RPG is one of the best games ever fucking made. It was too short, but it's one I've been playing again and again since it came out almost 12 years ago. Note that I said ONE of the best. It pales in comparison to another of my favorites, Chrono Trigger. However, Super Mario RPG was an 'easier' RPG, so to speak. If you had never played an RPG before, SMRPG was the best one to start with. If you were a huge Mario fan, SMRPG is the best one to go with. (Note that this was my first RPG as well, back when it came out in '96.) It's an awesome piece of work, and god damn if they had just made a sequel...

Also, Super Paper Mario, while not as good as the other two PM games, still is pretty damn good. At least it holds true to the old Mario physics. That's all I'll say.

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Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:03 pm ]
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dullahan1 wrote:
I personally would love to see a game made by Gears, just to see his idea of a perfect game. I think it would be quite interesting.



I couldn't make just one perfect game.


There's a couple of ideas I've been toying with, and I wouldn't be satisfied unless I was able to make them all.


Bleachlover wrote:
I think they might have been smoking weed when they made this game.


Magic mushrooms, actually.
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:20 pm ]
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Double Post.
Author:  dullahan1 [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:27 pm ]
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Hey, if you go into the gaming industry Gears, let me know. I would love to try your games. I'd love to see what comes outta that head of yours.
Author:  ParrotMan01 [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:31 pm ]
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I would love to also. Since I can't meet him in person to borrow these superior games that top the over-rated ones that he goes on about.(I'm kinda low on money at the moment)

Why not wait to see what he can come up with.
Author:  GearsoftheApparatus [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:34 pm ]
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Well, I suppose I could reveal one of my less inventive concepts.

It'd be an expansive, minimalistic( though nothing quite as severe as Shadow of the Colossus) arcade-adventure focused around Norse mythology.

And the art-style would look like this, though it would be more vibrant, obviously.

Image

Essentially, it would be Norse Okami.
Author:  Mr. Bear Jew [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:43 pm ]
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Norse Okami!? That's definitely not been done before. I would play it if only to see what it was all about.
Author:  Jibo [ Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:42 pm ]
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Xero Wright wrote:

Also, I agree, Jibo at least played part of the game, so he has a bit of an opinion. At least, on the DEMO. Not on the actual GAME. And we all know that some full games have turned out much, MUCH worse than their demos, so I would go against recommending a game to someone because of the DEMO.

My God! Shut up. You're just picking at the minor flaws in what I said; I can tell it's a good game by simple things like demos.

And it really doesn't matter. I could just extract the game from my argument right now if I wanted to.
Author:  Xero Wright [ Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:53 pm ]
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Minor flaws? Excuse me. I don't think that was a 'minor flaw.' I would call it a counter-argument to your argument.

Stop whining and take it like a man. Yelling "Shut up" at everyone who disagrees with you won't get you anywhere. A LOT of full games have turned out to be utter and complete SHIT, compared to their demos. Past performance is no guarantee of future performance; Blue Dragon was rumored to be awesome (Hell, after reading about it I wanted it), but now it's almost shit. Sure, some might like it, but it's opinion. OPINION. My opinion is my opinion, yours is yours. But I'm afraid until you play the full game, you don't exactly have a good enough opinion to be taken seriously.

Face it: All you really get to tell with the Demo is maybe 10-15 minutes of gameplay. Not really enough story or enough 'upgrades' (More to do in the game) to tell how good it is. You can't tell if it'll get repetitive fast, whether the story will really rock or not, if it really has any redeeming qualities, or if they'll change anything before the game is released. A demo is a demo; they're releasing a working version of the first 10, 15 minutes, or the first level. It's not finished; they could change it and it could be different from the demo.
Author:  Jibo [ Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:48 pm ]
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I don't recall saying it was immediately amazing, just that I wanted it and that it's not in the catergory of crap RPGs. I'm aware it's my opinion and not fact, I'm not that stupid. Sorry for expressing my opinion on a forum.

You think I shouldn't judge games by the demos? I'm pretty sure they, the creators, want you to judge the game by the demos and convince you to buy it. I was convinced, is all. I myself believe it is a good game, even with my minimalistic play time of the demo, is that not good enough for you?
Author:  Xero Wright [ Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:41 pm ]
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Sure, yes, they want you to buy the game based on the demo, when it first comes out. After that, they trust that the reviews given to them by fellow gamers will be enough to convince others to buy it, or at least try it. Besides, they WANT you to be convinced to buy the game based on the demo. That does not mean that the full version will be as good as the demo showed! You're entitled to your opinion, as am I, however you fail to realize that after the game has been out for some time, the demo is not really something to prove that it's a good game. Demos are also for one other reason: To tide you over until the game is actually released. It's not a full "Oh this is what the game will be like!" thing, and it does NOT give you a full outlook of what the full game has. Only a taster. In fact, a demo could be a great start to an awesome game, or could just have the best of a bad game. You cannot, and I repeat, cannot judge how good the game is by the demo. No matter how you look at it, until you play the full game, you cannot express a full opinion and expect to be taken seriously by others.

Now, I believe we have gone off-topic far enough, so I will return to the main case in point.

Personally, Paper Mario and its sequel was a 'different' kind of RPG. That's what I liked about it. It was also supposed to be a 'storybook' kind of game, hence the graphics. It was actually amusing, seeing how you could move around and such. And, the references in all of the Mario RPG games (save for SMRPG itself... I don't recall any major refs there) make it all the better. They did 1337 in Partners in Time. They did weird speak in Superstar Saga (Gotta love Fawful, he's awesome). They did computer errors and made fun of Windows in Super Paper Mario, as well as did a stereotypical dating sim on it.

Not everyone's gonna love it, but I guarantee you that a lot do. It could be better, sure. But after so long, there's just not enough originality out there to go with. (I hear games like Mass Effect are pretty original though, in terms of RPG story.)
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