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Author:  hyperguy152 [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:53 pm ]
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Tim Burton is one of the best filmakers ever. There's just something in his movies I can relate to.

Author:  _Krystal_ [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:59 pm ]
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Me too. I really like Big Fish.

Author:  Pickens [ Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:02 pm ]
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When I was a wee lad, I watched Tim Burton's Batman over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Danny Elfman + Prince = Awesomes.

Author:  hyperguy152 [ Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:17 pm ]
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I got Nightmare on DVD for christmas and I can't stop watching it since.

Author:  Holy Hell [ Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:40 pm ]
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The Nightmare Before Christmas was a genuinely good film if you can ignore how retarded Tim Burton's fanbase is, especially regarding it.

Other than Big Fish he hasn't really done anything else, however.

Author:  d666 [ Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:52 pm ]
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I love Sweeney Todd, Corpse Bride and Nightmare Before Christmas!!!

Author:  Neh-ku [ Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:58 pm ]
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My favorites from his collection, was The Nightmare Before Christmas, Vincent and The Corpse Bride. And, I haven't seen Big Fish yet, but I have it so i'll probably watch it soon.

Author:  WunderbarPhalanges [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:05 am ]
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d666 wrote:
I love Sweeney Todd, Corpse Bride and Nightmare Before Christmas!!!


Sweeney Todd wins at life.
End of story.

Author:  ButzPuff [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:35 am ]
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Totally agree, One of the best filmmakers ever! From him, I enjoyed:

Pee-wee's Big Adventure
Beetlejuice
Edward Scissorhands
The Nightmare Before Christmas
Mars Attacks!
Planet of the Apes
Big Fish
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street

And I'm looking forward to seeing 9 and Alice In Wonderland within the next 2 years or so. :larry2:

Also, before anyone says anything, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was terrible in my opinion.

Author:  WunderbarPhalanges [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:46 am ]
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It's true... before Sweeney Todd he'd kind of gone down a notch.
I liked Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, though... but I did worry about Sweeney Todd.
... 'course, already being a fan of it, obviously I would worry.
Tim Burton became a demi-god in my eyes when I first saw that movie.
More than before.

Author:  Ambiance [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:59 am ]
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ButzPuff wrote:
Also, before anyone says anything, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was terrible in my opinion.

I thought Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was ok ... not as good as the original, but not awful.

I am super excited about Alice in Wonderland though =] (it has ALAN RICKMAN in it!!)

Author:  Holy Hell [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:29 pm ]
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Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is going to be shit.

Author:  WunderbarPhalanges [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:39 pm ]
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Ambiance wrote:
ButzPuff wrote:
Also, before anyone says anything, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was terrible in my opinion.

I thought Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was ok ... not as good as the original, but not awful.

I am super excited about Alice in Wonderland though =] (it has ALAN RICKMAN in it!!)


He sure has love affairs with certain actors. :yogi:

Author:  Tinker [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:26 pm ]
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Holy Hell wrote:
Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is going to be shit.


I thought the cast sounded pretty funky. Not very Alice in Wonderland-like, though.

Author:  Tinker [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:09 pm ]
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Holy Hell wrote:
The Nightmare Before Christmas was a genuinely good film if you can ignore how retarded Tim Burton's fanbase is, especially regarding it.

Other than Big Fish he hasn't really done anything else, however.


I liked Corpse Bride.

Author:  hyperguy152 [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:34 pm ]
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Holy Hell wrote:
Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is going to be shit.


How dare you say that about a film that you know nothing about. I happen to like the story and trust Tim to do a better adaptation than Disney.

Author:  Tinker [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:53 am ]
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hyperguy152 wrote:
Holy Hell wrote:
Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is going to be shit.


How dare you say that about a film that you know nothing about. I happen to like the story and trust Tim to do a better adaptation than Disney.


yess two ends of one spectrum

Author:  DaemonForce [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:07 am ]
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Tinker wrote:
yess two ends of one spectrum

Does it matter? Either movie, Imma be goin to Maaaaaarrrrrrrrrrs duuuuuuuuuuude! :hobohodo:

Best. Story. Period.

Author:  Holy Hell [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:23 pm ]
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hyperguy152 wrote:
Holy Hell wrote:
Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is going to be shit.


How dare you say that about a film that you know nothing about. I happen to like the story and trust Tim to do a better adaptation than Disney.


Tim Burton has a track record, which one can apply to pre-maturely judge future films of his. And considering how consistent his works are, it's fine. He's had so few films that weren't done in his exact same style and this style is going to turn Alice into every other grim and goofy piece he's done. I highly doubt it'll even be similar to the original work. Even this

Quote:
The film will utilize a technique combining live action, motion capture technology and stop motion


makes it sound like an amalgam of shit we've seen before that he has yet to get tired of.

Even if it wasn't one of his Hot Topic-style works, he's still a shitty director.

And Disney's Alice in Wonderland was great so fuck him.

edit: Apparently even JOHNNY DEPP is in this, so fuck him twice. Man I'm sick of both of these losers.

Author:  Tinker [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:45 pm ]
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I've only watched Nightmare Before Christmas, Corpse Bride and Sweeney Todd myself, but yes, the same style is a leetle beet overdone. You'd think he would come up with something new.

But hey, I enjoyed them. I'm not the greatest film critic ever, but that's good enough for me.

Author:  hyperguy152 [ Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:47 pm ]
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Holy Hell wrote:
Tim Burton has a track record, which one can apply to pre-maturely judge future films of his. And considering how consistent his works are, it's fine. He's had so few films that weren't done in his exact same style and this style is going to turn Alice into every other grim and goofy piece he's done. I highly doubt it'll even be similar to the original work. Even this

Quote:
The film will utilize a technique combining live action, motion capture technology and stop motion


makes it sound like an amalgam of shit we've seen before that he has yet to get tired of.

Even if it wasn't one of his Hot Topic-style works, he's still a shitty director.

And Disney's Alice in Wonderland was great so fuck him.

edit: Apparently even JOHNNY DEPP is in this, so fuck him twice. Man I'm sick of both of these losers.



1. This is a topic for Tim Burton fans. If you don't like him, then don't post here.
2. There is no need for the F-word.
3. It's style, not track record.

Author:  RazeTora [ Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:46 am ]
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Holy Hell wrote:
hyperguy152 wrote:
Holy Hell wrote:
Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is going to be shit.


How dare you say that about a film that you know nothing about. I happen to like the story and trust Tim to do a better adaptation than Disney.


Tim Burton has a track record, which one can apply to pre-maturely judge future films of his. And considering how consistent his works are, it's fine. He's had so few films that weren't done in his exact same style and this style is going to turn Alice into every other grim and goofy piece he's done. I highly doubt it'll even be similar to the original work. Even this

Quote:
The film will utilize a technique combining live action, motion capture technology and stop motion


makes it sound like an amalgam of shit we've seen before that he has yet to get tired of.

Even if it wasn't one of his Hot Topic-style works, he's still a shitty director.

And Disney's Alice in Wonderland was great so fuck him.

edit: Apparently even JOHNNY DEPP is in this, so fuck him twice. Man I'm sick of both of these losers.


I concur. Seriously, he's made a few good movies, but...not everything has to be this dark-and-bizarre thing. I think it's pretty bold to say that he can compete with Disney, too. Such a classic, especially.

Author:  Skeledude12 [ Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:40 am ]
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Tim Burton is the very reason I am going to school to become a film director.

His movies not only push the limits of cinema, but push the limits of a viewers imagination!

I love all of his movies, (with exception of Mars Attack, which I have not see)

Holy Hell wrote:
Tim Burton has a track record, which one can apply to pre-maturely judge future films of his. And considering how consistent his works are, it's fine. He's had so few films that weren't done in his exact same style and this style is going to turn Alice into every other grim and goofy piece he's done. I highly doubt it'll even be similar to the original work. Even this

Quote:
The film will utilize a technique combining live action, motion capture technology and stop motion


makes it sound like an amalgam of shit we've seen before that he has yet to get tired of.

Even if it wasn't one of his Hot Topic-style works, he's still a shitty director.

And Disney's Alice in Wonderland was great so fuck him.

edit: Apparently even JOHNNY DEPP is in this, so fuck him twice. Man I'm sick of both of these losers.


First off, Tim Burton's "style" and "track record" you mentioned are what exactly? His love of black and white stripes and use macabre, dark humor? Or maybe its his dynamic use of stop motion animation or his uses of the grey scale. Tim Burton, uses his design expertise sparingly and differently throughout his films. Putting to use different styles and different techniques, separately into his films is what makes them unique. If you want to see where a trend is going for the next film Tim Burton is working on then I suggest you drop your preconceived notions of what a Tim Burton film is and look again.

Quote:
The film will utilize a technique combining live action, motion capture technology and stop motion


This is Tim Burton at his best. This movie will be the cumulative effort of three film making techniques. Motion capture has come a long way from anything we've seen before. Tim Burton taking what he knows from stop motion and applying it to motion capture might just be what that section of computer animation needs.

Disney's Alice in Wonderland was a watered down sappy piece of musical garbage. It was useless as a movie and is even more useless as a comparison to what Tim Burton will make.

and as for Tim Burton and Johnny Depp working together on this project. Honestly, what did you expect? Tim and Johnny have been working together on films since Edward Scissorhands. Tim Burton always returns to actors he's worked with before. All directors do this. It because they know those actors understand he material which they were given to play, and will understand it again. Helena Bonham Carter, Alan Rickman, Danny DeVito, Deep Roy, Christopher Lee. They're all actors that have appeared in more than one Tim Burton film, why? Because he gives them first dibs.

Quinton Tarentino uses Uma Thruman quite abit in his films, Robert Zemekis has got Tom Hanks, George Lucas has got Harrison Ford, M. Nigh Shyamalan has Bruce Willis. You gonna complain about them too?

Author:  Tinker [ Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:16 pm ]
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Skeledude12 wrote:
Disney's Alice in Wonderland was a watered down sappy piece of musical garbage. It was useless as a movie and is even more useless as a comparison to what Tim Burton will make.

Did you seriously say this just for the sake of your argument

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1. This is a topic for Tim Burton fans. If you don't like him, then don't post here.


Never ever do that. Discussion of things is what makes a forum interesting. Otherwise it's just a long list of posts "well yeah I agree this guy is quite cool", never anything happening. Avoid critical thinking, avoid things that aren't your opinion, live in a bubble.

Author:  johnny rainbow [ Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:35 pm ]
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Except for Ed Wood and I guess Edward Scissorhands, I never enjoyed Tim Burton's movies. They all felt like typical Hot Topic nonsense. Not saying he's a bad director, but a little more diversity wouldn't hurt him all that much.

Author:  Regy Rusty [ Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:43 pm ]
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Skeledude12 wrote:
Disney's Alice in Wonderland was a watered down sappy piece of musical garbage. It was useless as a movie and is even more useless as a comparison to what Tim Burton will make.


:larry: You... you monster! D: You want me to come over there and paint your roses red? :zenitora:

Goodness, I like Tim Burton alright. I mean I've enjoyed most of his movies (that I've seen). So I'm not going to say that this will be bad, but how can you possibly know it'll be extremely good? It's not even close to being out yet so this is riding entirely on Burton's reputation and fans.

Personally, I think that if he is trying to make this a faithful representation of the two books then it's not even possible to compare it to the Disney version. Disney's Alice in Wonderland did precisely what it tried to do and was fantastic. A faithful, non musical, movie adaptation of Lewis Caroll's works is something completely different and I'm interested to see what he comes up with.

That said, it doesn't seem even just a little bit tiresome that Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter are in ALL his movies lately? I mean sure, Johnny Depp's good and all but at some point it becomes "Oh here's Johnny again doing some crazy over the top character." To me it makes the movies blend together and become very, very similar, which is probably the main gripe I have against Burton. He's kind of a one trick pony.

(Also I've never understood why people watch Nightmare Before Christmas over and over again. It's definitely Burton's best, and a genuinely exceptional movie, but I'd get bored.)

Author:  Tinker [ Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:37 pm ]
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Yeah, that's the point. I like Depp, I really like Bonham Carter, I like the black and white idea, but I don't like Tim Burton having it as his only trick up his sleeve.

Author:  Holy Hell [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:12 am ]
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Skeledude12 wrote:
[Tim Burton's] movies ... push the limits of cinema


I guess it's a good thing that you're going to film school

Study up

Author:  Kefka Palazzo [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:30 pm ]
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Some of his movies are great. Big Fish and Edward Scissorhands are two of my favourites. I used to like TNBC, but I dunno... It feels too much like an excuse to play some songs.

Author:  Tinker [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:36 pm ]
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Kefka Palazzo wrote:
Some of his movies are great. Big Fish and Edward Scissorhands are two of my favourites. I used to like TNBC, but I dunno... It feels too much like an excuse to play some songs.


Like every opera or musical ever

Author:  Kefka Palazzo [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:02 pm ]
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Tinker wrote:
Kefka Palazzo wrote:
Some of his movies are great. Big Fish and Edward Scissorhands are two of my favourites. I used to like TNBC, but I dunno... It feels too much like an excuse to play some songs.


Like every opera or musical ever

Hm, I guess you've got a point.

Author:  hyperguy152 [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:46 pm ]
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Skeledude12 wrote:
Tim Burton is the very reason I am going to school to become a film director.

His movies not only push the limits of cinema, but push the limits of a viewers imagination!

I love all of his movies, (with exception of Mars Attack, which I have not see)

Holy Hell wrote:
Tim Burton has a track record, which one can apply to pre-maturely judge future films of his. And considering how consistent his works are, it's fine. He's had so few films that weren't done in his exact same style and this style is going to turn Alice into every other grim and goofy piece he's done. I highly doubt it'll even be similar to the original work. Even this

Quote:
The film will utilize a technique combining live action, motion capture technology and stop motion


makes it sound like an amalgam of shit we've seen before that he has yet to get tired of.

Even if it wasn't one of his Hot Topic-style works, he's still a shitty director.

And Disney's Alice in Wonderland was great so fuck him.

edit: Apparently even JOHNNY DEPP is in this, so fuck him twice. Man I'm sick of both of these losers.


First off, Tim Burton's "style" and "track record" you mentioned are what exactly? His love of black and white stripes and use macabre, dark humor? Or maybe its his dynamic use of stop motion animation or his uses of the grey scale. Tim Burton, uses his design expertise sparingly and differently throughout his films. Putting to use different styles and different techniques, separately into his films is what makes them unique. If you want to see where a trend is going for the next film Tim Burton is working on then I suggest you drop your preconceived notions of what a Tim Burton film is and look again.

Quote:
The film will utilize a technique combining live action, motion capture technology and stop motion


This is Tim Burton at his best. This movie will be the cumulative effort of three film making techniques. Motion capture has come a long way from anything we've seen before. Tim Burton taking what he knows from stop motion and applying it to motion capture might just be what that section of computer animation needs.

Disney's Alice in Wonderland was a watered down sappy piece of musical garbage. It was useless as a movie and is even more useless as a comparison to what Tim Burton will make.

and as for Tim Burton and Johnny Depp working together on this project. Honestly, what did you expect? Tim and Johnny have been working together on films since Edward Scissorhands. Tim Burton always returns to actors he's worked with before. All directors do this. It because they know those actors understand he material which they were given to play, and will understand it again. Helena Bonham Carter, Alan Rickman, Danny DeVito, Deep Roy, Christopher Lee. They're all actors that have appeared in more than one Tim Burton film, why? Because he gives them first dibs.

Quinton Tarentino uses Uma Thruman quite abit in his films, Robert Zemekis has got Tom Hanks, George Lucas has got Harrison Ford, M. Nigh Shyamalan has Bruce Willis. You gonna complain about them too?


I agree. People who don't like Tim Burton shouldn't even be posting here.

Author:  hyperguy152 [ Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:52 pm ]
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Kefka Palazzo wrote:
I used to like TNBC, but I dunno... It feels too much like an excuse to play some songs.


Those songs are genius. It's Danny Elfman at his best.

Author:  Tinker [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:03 pm ]
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hyperguy152 wrote:

I agree. People who don't like Tim Burton shouldn't even be posting here.


Quote:
Never ever do that. Discussion of things is what makes a forum interesting. Otherwise it's just a long list of posts "well yeah I agree this guy is quite cool", never anything happening. Avoid critical thinking, avoid things that aren't your opinion, live in a bubble.

Author:  The Sandwich [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:24 pm ]
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ITT: hyperguy fails to grasp the concept of discussion.

Author:  hyperguy152 [ Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:35 pm ]
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I don't think you should be compairing his style to Hot Topic. His films are much more than that.

Author:  Watatata~! [ Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:36 am ]
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I actually loved Charlie and the Chocolate Factory considering it was as quirky as what Roald Dahl would typically write and gosh damn it I love that man's books to this day. His biographies still scare me though.

Author:  LySs [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:06 am ]
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I love Tim Burton's stuff and I do love me some Johnny Depp. But I'd have to agree with what others have previously said. Yes Johnny's a great actor, but it's getting kind of over-redundant. I'd like to see a Burton film where Johnny isn't one of the main characters, if not, a character at all.

Which is why out of all his films, my favorites would have to be Beetlejuice, Mars Attacks, TNBC, Corpse Bride and Sleepy Hollow. I loved the animation and story behind Corpse Bride (It's actually based off an old Jewish folk tale. The more you know...). Sleepy Hollow had Christopher Walken, enough said.
TNBC will always be a classic. Mars Attacks was quirky, for more Tom Jones is always a good thing (or a bad thing. Depends on how you look at it.)

Beetlejuice will always be my favorite. I loved that movie for it's dark humor and characters. I even used to watch the cartoon series.

The Alice in Wonderland movie he's working on I'm not so thrilled about because the original Disney film was, and will always be a classic. Besides, every goth girl and their mother I know is obsessed with the whole Alice in Wonderland theme, so Tim Burton doing his own version isn't going to be a new concept I'll be seeing. But hey, I can't really give an opinion until it comes out.

I am excited for his other movie "9". At least that looks interesting. Unless you're a butthurt Little Big Planet fanboy who'll complain that he's ripping off sackboy. For one, Tim's only a producer on the film, not the director or the creator.

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